Representative Democracy [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Zack

obviously cass is town with cuth's flip

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why?

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Originally Posted by BSmith

No soft claim here. I made it pretty clear that we would deal with cuth and barto. I thought for sure we would lynch cuth and I'd kill barto but it worked out the other way around. It was also why I was asking who peoples second suspect was...

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did you even consider the view points of those strongly saying cuth was town? or was it already predetermined to be one of them?

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Originally Posted by Zack

Like I said to someone else, I already talked about this in the thread. If you want my reads on a dead guy, go find them. I'm not wasting my time on such a pointless inquiry.

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ok thats twice. @Zack whats with the attitude to being asked about your thoughts on a dead player? All it comes accross to me as is you not wanting people to dig into your vies on that play and that is scummy as.


@Cass_ be happy im tinfoiling on you. Why arnt you dead?

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Originally Posted by Cass_

By not trusting your progression off Barto onto Zack, I mean D1 -> D2 though, where you voted Barto off the bat D1 and then moved off onto Zack D2. Continued to push Zack for 'bad boy' behaviour over Barto D3.

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Partly it was self doubt and my shitty ability to explain my reads, which form a negative feedback loop. I've spent this game not wanting to drive the lynch myself, because I know that I usually end up lynching town that way. My primary aim here has been to help build a solid town core, and beyond that to point it in the direction of people I find scummy, trusting that the others will correct for my failings and pick out the good parts from the random shite I blather.

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Originally Posted by Cass_

Zack has displayed that attitude previously as Town, his posting style and attitude changed, nothing Barto added to the thread was clearing, but you ?gave Barto the benefit of the doubt over Zack.

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Yeah, I went big game hunting. By the time I started suspecting Zack, I figured that if Tak was scum he was never getting out of the death spiral.

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Originally Posted by Cass_

You say you don't hate the attitude, have you seen Zack play this way as Town?

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I've seen Zack use a lot of the same moves as town.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Theories on GH/Cuth/Chox/Bart - two-for-two with one already flipped - don't necessarily look great. Works well enough as camo.

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But I had them early and consistently so :shrug:

My reads list on D1 had in my strong wolves 2 wolves and Cuth

thats 3 wolves right there

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Originally Posted by Visor

But I had them early and consistently so :shrug:

My reads list on D1 had in my strong wolves 2 wolves and Cuth

thats 3 wolves right there

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But Cuth wasn't scum. I think you're misunderstanding my comment or I'm misunderstanding your response. Or both.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

But Cuth wasn't scum. I think you're misunderstanding my comment or I'm misunderstanding your response. Or both.

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Before anyone had died in the game I had 3 strong wolves

2 were ACTUALLY wolves

1 of them was Cuth who a lot of other people thought was a wolf (and was wolfy)

so either I bussed my partners in thread unnecessarily and early

or I'm just town

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Originally Posted by Visor

Before anyone had died in the game I had 3 strong wolves

2 were ACTUALLY wolves

1 of them was Cuth who a lot of other people thought was a wolf (and was wolfy)

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But hold on - I commented on this at SoD2. You had Choxorn as scum in your big reads list before exiting for the day, but it came right after Renata raised the issue, and you didn't add substance beyond agreeing that it looked bad for Choxorn. It's perfectly consistent with deep wolf camouflage.

What do you think of the proposition that one of you or Zack must be deep wolf?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

But hold on - I commented on this at SoD2. You had Choxorn as scum in your big reads list before exiting for the day, but it came right after Renata raised the issue, and you didn't add substance beyond agreeing that it looked bad for Choxorn. It's perfectly consistent with deep wolf camouflage.

What do you think of the proposition that one of you or Zack must be deep wolf?

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:shrug: not sure how I'm supposed to defend myself from doing townie things against the 'but you could just be a deep wolf'

I think thinking in terms like that is silly and I'd rather just lynch wolfy people.

What's your read on me, Visor?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

What's your read on me, Visor?

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I think mostly town, why?

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Originally Posted by Visor

I think mostly town, why?

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Give me reasons.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Give me reasons.

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I like your tone?

Its the same stuff I've talked about wrt you earlier.

If you're a wolf great, I'll deal with you later, right now I like your tone and process.

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Originally Posted by Visor

I think mostly town, why?

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So about the same space as you had him in the EOD1 read, i.e.

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Visor
Renata
Winston
Zack
Atheotes
Dicktosser
Schema
Dp101

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

So about the same space as you had him in the EOD1 read, i.e.

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yes, thereabouts.

dicktosser LOL

sorry dice :P

the only thing I will point out is that WH is well aware that his paranoia gets him townread and he has definitely tried to abuse it as scum (and him picking a fight with Zack is certainly not out of his range). but paranoia is part of his town game too.

If you want me to take another look at you WH I can I suppose, but I don't really feel the need.

He's hit the right tonal notes, pushed the right people, worked well in thread. If he is scum its good work and there are people wolfier than him that need to be dealt with.

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Originally Posted by Visor

I like your tone?

Its the same stuff I've talked about wrt you earlier.

If you're a wolf great, I'll deal with you later, right now I like your tone and process.

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So you still think I might be a wolf?

Is this just paranoia, or do you think I've just been kidding you all this time, and I'm really Professor Super Balls, whose special power is not giving a shit when he rands scum?

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

So you still think I might be a wolf?

Is this just paranoia, or do you think I've just been kidding you all this time, and I'm really Professor Super Balls, whose special power is not giving a shit when he rands scum?

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anyone might still be a wolf

I just don't think you're likely to be one. I am town reading you.

If thats not good enough then i don't know what you want or expect from me

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Originally Posted by Visor

anyone might still be a wolf

I just don't think you're likely to be one. I am town reading you.

If thats not good enough then i don't know what you want or expect from me

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A hunch?

Read me lock town, because I wouldn't have the balls to demand it of you if I was actually scum.

Only pizza can carry that shit off.

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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes

Read me lock town, because I wouldn't have the balls to demand it of you if I was actually scum.

Only pizza can carry that shit off.

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Whats the difference here between townreading you and reading you lock town?

In terms of effect on the game, in terms of me?

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Originally Posted by Visor

Whats the difference here between townreading you and reading you lock town?

In terms of effect on the game, in terms of me?

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Nothing. I'm just waxing lyrical on the truth.

So, where to next winston, who do you think should be lynched?

The next group of people anyway

we have at most 3 scum left imo

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Originally Posted by Visor

the only thing I will point out is that WH is well aware that his paranoia gets him townread and he has definitely tried to abuse it as scum (and him picking a fight with Zack is certainly not out of his range)

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The beauty of that game is that I didn't try to abuse it at all.

When I came after you it was genuine scumhunting.

The paranoia was real.

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Originally Posted by Visor

yes, thereabouts.

dicktosser LOL

sorry dice :P

the only thing I will point out is that WH is well aware that his paranoia gets him townread and he has definitely tried to abuse it as scum (and him picking a fight with Zack is certainly not out of his range). but paranoia is part of his town game too.

If you want me to take another look at you WH I can I suppose, but I don't really feel the need.

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Has WH been paranoid at all in this game? Other than claimed paranoia wrt Renata? In D1 he claimed that his paranoia has dropped off dramatically in either alignment, and that he is trying to be more methodical in this game.

Look, I'm working on that ISO, but it's really tough, It will come eventually.

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He's hit the right tonal notes, pushed the right people, worked well in thread.

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Tone I disagree, but for pushes - whom? Cuth? Early Barto? Hopefully you'll see this once the ISO goes up, but the amount of hedging in his reads - like, all of them in general - is extraordinary.

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anyone might still be a wolf

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:sadface:

Overall, I'm looking at scum Winston almost ensuring deepwolf Winston.

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Overall, I'm looking at scum Winston almost ensuring deepwolf Winston.

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I mean, scum Winston to scum Visor.

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Has WH been paranoid at all in this game? Other than claimed paranoia wrt Renata? In D1 he claimed that his paranoia has dropped off dramatically in either alignment, and that he is trying to be more methodical in this game.

Look, I'm working on that ISO, but it's really tough, It will come eventually.


Tone I disagree, but for pushes - whom? Cuth? Early Barto? Hopefully you'll see this once the ISO goes up, but the amount of hedging in his reads - like, all of them in general - is extraordinary.



:sadface:

Overall, I'm looking at scum Winston almost ensuring deepwolf Winston.

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Well, I'll keep an open mind, tag me when you post the ISO.

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Originally Posted by Visor

So, where to next winston, who do you think should be lynched?

The next group of people anyway

we have at most 3 scum left imo

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I dunno.

You've been townie enough, but I think you might be able to fake it. Cuth showing up town is problematic.

Monty has been rambling a lot, and the choices he's made about where to push his suspicions have not rung true often enough, to the point where I feel like he's just pushing counter-town agendas.

Zack, I've said enough about.

Fenn stood out as a possible scummer when I reread last night, on a combination of tone and positioning.

Schema looked good to me on tone, but fell right into the scumzone on situational stuff.

Other people, I'm waiting to hear what they say this morning.

If I had to shoot one, the hero in me says Zack, but at a push I'd probably go Monty.

Thinking:


District 1 (5)
Cass, Jabbz, Zack, Al Sips, Schema


District 2 (4)
BSmith, Winston, Visor, Riedquat


District 3 (5)
Atheotes, Monstr, Dice, (Csargo)Fenn, Monty

sketchballs in d1 so they have to elect you?

townies in d2 so its probably legit?

_the rest_ in d3?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Tone I disagree, but for pushes - whom? Cuth? Early Barto? Hopefully you'll see this once the ISO goes up, but the amount of hedging in his reads - like, all of them in general - is extraordinary.

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I've been honest in my reads. I've tried not to overstate any reaction I've had, or to oversell any read I've arrived at.

If it really looks to you like I've been hedging, then I'd say you've managed to miss the whole point and drive of my posting in this game.