Capo di Tutti Capi III [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Good point. We all know I'm not a don, so why is the town focusing on me when the potential for immediate victory lies within reach?

CR

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Who do you believe is the Don then? Apparently it can't be Sasaki, because he was involved in a successful protection.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I didn't say he had mafia affiliations. I said he was messing with us all for his own amusement. Surely you know Reenk likes to do that. Or is my PM from Reenk warning me about vigilantes fake? Which one of them would have told me?

And the serial killer would have been dead earlier if people had listened to me. But they didn't; they just lined up behind ATPG. That lack of discussion for the town is bad then and it's bad now.

CR

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Pfft - I know who actually sent you that, all you did was replace the senders name with Reenk's and then add a wink smiley at the end of it.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

As for Pannonian, that's a black mark on the CIA's record, admittedly, but the fellow helping him was apparently the same rogue detective, who had sent Iskander 3.1 on vacation. So you can't even pin that one on the vigilantes. Nor Moros' death, because they weren't the ones who ended up getting him.

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I can pin it on you, though. ~;p

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Who do you believe is the Don then? Apparently it can't be Sasaki, because he was involved in a successful protection.

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He also said a don, LittleGrizzly, helped him. And defended Haudegen rather vigorously, didn't he? Either would be a better choice for the town than me.

I haven't seen any detective results, though. So I don't know who's been found innocent. Apparently Haudegen had, but that changed. Of course, I don't know what they changed to because ATPG hasn't shared any detective results.

Like I said, his style hurts the town. I found the serial killer without any detective help. I could find more if ATPG shared more. But he doesn't. And why not? The mafia know who's guilty and innocent but the townies don't.

As for Reenk - he's played the part of jester before with great conviction. I don't see how he'd be constrained by Seamus' role.

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I could find more if ATPG shared more. But he doesn't. And why not? The mafia know who's guilty and innocent but the townies don't.

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True, perhaps sharing detective results would help. These are, admittedly, a bit old... but there's some useful information in here still:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Night 1
generalhankerchief = criminal
reenk roink = unclear
tincow = unclear
sasaki kojiro = innocent

Night 2
andres = innocent
kagemusha = unclear
haudegen = innocent
gibsonsg9121 = guilty

Night 3
psycho = innocent
johnhugh = innocent
chaotix = unclear
split' = innocent

Night 4
twblade= unclear
SSN = innocent
gly = innocent
goat = innocent

Night 5
prole = inno
twblade = unclear
joe M = guilty
Cent1 = guilty

Night 6
ADucky = unclear
rhyf = criminal
woad = guilty
CR = guilty

Night 7
Drizzt fan = innocent
acin = innocent
tratorix = innocent
reenk = unclear

Night 8
skooma = unclear
gsc = innocent
gizz = innocent
'khaan = guilty

Night 9
andres = guilty
GSC = innocent
SKooma = uncertain
Crazed = Criminal

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Funny how you show up guilty on Night 6 but criminal on Night 9. What could that mean? :idea2:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

True, perhaps sharing detective results would help. These are, admittedly, a bit old... but there's some useful information in here still:



Funny how you show up guilty on Night 6 but criminal on Night 9. What could that mean? :idea2:

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That was dealt with a long time ago; Seamus made a mistake. The results on me really were still guilty.

You could simply lynch Sasaki, the one who was defending a don, or the suspected don, Haudegen, instead of me. I'm still a wiseguy, and if I live (quite doubtful) the town could investigate me again tonight and make sure of that.

Those results are indeed old. The more recent, the more helpful.

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

That was dealt with a long time ago; Seamus made a mistake. The results on me really were still guilty.

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Ah, right... I do remember that incident, apologies for bringing that back up again. My two-week absence has made me forget a lot of the earlier events; I did not intend to bring up a debunked case. :oops:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Ah, right... I do remember that incident, apologies for bringing that back up again. My two-week absence has made me forget a lot of the earlier events; I did not intend to bring up a debunked case. :oops:

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I'll forgive you if you vote for Sasaki. I mean, come on, the least I can ask for is a double vote with a don's defender. My vote's already on him; the worst I could do would be to take it off and therefore get just myself lynched.

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I'll forgive you if you vote for Sasaki. I mean, come on, the least I can ask for is a double vote with a don's defender. My vote's already on him; the worst I could do would be to take it off and therefore get just myself lynched.

CR

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Please point out the evidence that shows that Sasaki was aware that LG was a Don, or scummy in some other manner, when he protected him. Given the nature of this game, simply protecting a mafioso with a group of other people does not inherently make him a mafioso himself. The only thing that would make such an action scummy would be if there was evidence that he was aware of who he was protecting... and as yet I haven't seen that evidence.

vote crazed rabbit.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Please point out the evidence that shows that Sasaki was aware that LG was a Don, or scummy in some other manner, when he protected him. Given the nature of this game, simply protecting a mafioso with a group of other people does not inherently make him a mafioso himself. The only thing that would make such an action scummy would be if there was evidence that he was aware of who he was protecting... and as yet I haven't seen that evidence.

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He didn't protect LG with a group - he claimed LG was in a group with him and together they protected Sigurd.

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

He didn't protect LG with a group - he claimed LG was in a group with him and together they protected Sigurd.

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Ok, I'm looking back over this and I see what you're talking about. However, the fact remains that Sigurd WAS successfully protected. Since you seem to know this stuff better than I, has a second group of protectors admitted to defending Sigurd that night or is Sasaki's success the only one that has been claimed?

[edit]Ignore the above question, further reading shows that there was a second ATPG-organized group that could have protected Sigurd that night. I agree with you this is fishy, thus I will support Sasaki's lynch tomorrow or vig killing him tonight. :yes:

Pizza had a group of 5, I had a group of three. The writeup mentions a trio of vans, a couple doors dropping, and gunfire from windows. I thought it was cut and dry that the three vans was my group, but evidently it wasn't.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Ok, I'm looking back over this and I see what you're talking about. However, the fact remains that Sigurd WAS successfully protected. Since you seem to know this stuff better than I, has a second group of protectors admitted to defending Sigurd that night or is Sasaki's success the only one that has been claimed?

[edit]Ignore the above question, further reading shows that there was a second ATPG-organized group that could have protected Sigurd that night. I agree with you this is fishy, thus I will support Sasaki's lynch tomorrow or vig killing him tonight. :yes:

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Why not his lynch now? He's the better choice. I've been defending people every night for almost a (in game) week. ATPG could have easily tested one group and seen that I was telling the truth.

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Why not his lynch now? He's the better choice. I've been defending people every night for almost a (in game) week. ATPG could have easily tested one group and seen that I was telling the truth.

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It also appears (to me at least) that you've been faking PMs to discredit Reenk. Apologies, but that tips the scales for me.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

It also appears (to me at least) that you've been faking PMs to discredit Reenk. Apologies, but that tips the scales for me.

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I am not so sure that Reenk did not send that info.
The only thing that works against this claim is the fact that it is new information provided by a dead player. This info is fresh as of last night and Reenk was long dead when this info was created.

I am trying to figure out why Reenk would finger you like this, IF you as you claim, have no affiliation with the Mafia. Maybe you are a Communist, but then Reenk as I understand, would be on your side. There is something fishy going on between Reenk and CR ...
Three options:

1. Reenk is lying and CR is telling the truth (- Reenk was called an innocent townie in the autopsy)
2. CR is lying and Reenk is telling the truth (- CR has guilty results on nights not doing vig work)
3. Both are lying (- some internal struggle between unknown groups or parties)

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Four minutes elapsed between the post times, buddy. :laugh4:

Oh and YLC, I think... Joooray will die tonight. :yes:

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:furious3:

I definitely object to that. I'd rather prefer not being killed, please.:flowers: :kiss2:

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When it comes to voting I'll renew my previous Vote : Crazed Rabbit .
I'm not too sure about the case against Sasaki and so you are the better vote. Also it is just about time, since the accusations against you are just around for too long. I gotta give credit to you though for the devotion you put into your defense, there have been a lot of people going down with a lot noise about it. It just doesn't make the case against you go away and if the town can't take you out at night as was seen last night, we have to take care of you during the day.

You should also consider Reenk's actions in your first Viking mafia, Sigurd - when he was Loki. He played the jester and both sides before being revealed as a mafia supporter at the end of the game.

And I spotted this post of Sasaki's in the Pirate Ship mafia thread:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Besides, you don't get someone's money when you kill them.

Btw, I should definitely be selected as captain. Otherwise, if I'm one of the susceptible ones I'll be mafia before you can say jack robinson. And I'm good about knowing who to trust with the first mate/quartermaster jobs, which would naturally be rotated every so often.

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Is he a pro-town role in this game? No. Is he Sasaki? Yes. Ergo, he is mafia or mafia supporting.

CR

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Originally Posted by Joooray

I'm not too sure about the case against Sasaki and so you are the better vote. Also it is just about time, since the accusations against you are just around for too long. I gotta give credit to you though for the devotion you put into your defense, there have been a lot of people going down with a lot noise about it. It just doesn't make the case against you go away and if the town can't take you out at night as was seen last night, we have to take care of you during the day.

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The case against ATPG and Sasaki has been around longer.

There was no mafia killing last night - so it seems there's only one don left. I'm not that don, and I haven't been protecting dons like Sasaki! He is clearly the better choice!

CR

Select: Sigurd
Unvote:Vote:Sasaki Kojiro.If we lynch both then there's no problem..

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

The case against ATPG ... has been around longer.

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What case?

Tally please (can't edit a post with a vote in it.)

I'm a man of my word:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Tell ya what, as an apology for my bonehead play in Capo II I will switch my vote to Sasaki if you can get one other person to vote for him. At the moment, you'll still get lynched even if I change my vote, so it seems pointless. It's a shame the activity level in Capo III has been so low.

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Unvote; Vote: Sasaki

I think this ties it, will tally in a moment.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

What case?

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The one where you building your own evil mafia empire, or that your interests are not the same as the towns. I'm not saying they are correct.

I'm pointing out that just because accusations have been around for a time doesn't mean they're correct, in response to Joooray.

CR

Tally:

Lynch Vote:

Crazed Rabbit: 6 (ATPG, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, ACIN, Joooray)
Sasaki: 5 (YLC, CR, Kukri, Slash, Tincow)
ATPG: 1 (Chaotix)

Director Selection:

Sigurd: 9 (ATPG, SPlit, YLC, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, Tincow, Kukri, Slash
Shinseikhaan: 1 (Shinseikhaan)
Twilightblade: 1 (ACIN)


You guys should know that there is zero chance Sasaki would allow himself to be double lynched. Let's not kid ourselves. He votes at the last second even on lynches he's not a part of.

Nope, not tied, but close. Tally based on ATPG's last tally:

Lynch Vote:

Crazed Rabbit: 6 (ATPG, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, ACIN, Joooray)
Sasaki: 5 (YLC, CR, Kukri, Slash, TinCow)
ATPG: 1 (Chaotix)

Director Selection:

Sigurd: 9 (ATPG, SPlit, YLC, WE, Tratorix, SSNeo, Tincow, Kukri, Slash)
Shinseikhaan: 1 (Shinseikhaan)
Twilightblade: 1 (ACIN)

Time to start downing scotch by the bottle, I see.

CR

Vig sasaki then.EDIT: if he lives he's the don or a commie.

Vote: Sasaki

perhaps a double lynch?

https://img297.imageshack.us/img297/...chmainfull.jpg
*glug, glug*

CR

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Time to start downing scotch by the bottle, I see.

CR

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One could only hope there's something more decent at this committee, [White, not too dry] and maybe some spicy meatballs in your honour.