Sorceror 17er Game Thread

multiquote pls

also ill check that FoL game, but ew discourse ��

There are a few more things I'd like to do but I won't have time :( wehwehwehwehweeeeeeeh

okay wow that wolfgame is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay worse than i remembered from him LMAO

hold on im finding one on MU real quick

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Originally Posted by Dobby

I thought something along those lines earlier, like yesterday (as in today, not yestergameday) but reading d1 specifically with interactions and not just his posts in isolation is two completely different things


I just.. cape/cuth into katze. I think its just that.

Yeah in f3 reread hks posts but I feel like he might be a nk. I had some sus on him early but left that behind but in a f3 situation look back at it

Sleep idk some sus stuff but a lot of kinda clearing

Rask is town


Feels I've I've written these things 50 times

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can you point me to the cape interactions stuff you looked at? i have been AWOL and the game is long and my memory is short and we are low on time, i will tell you if it looks like how he interacts with his partners

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Originally Posted by Dobby

okay @hollowkatt re your tinfoil on rask, look at this sequence and tell me its w/w/w, that rask chooses to bump heads with two wolfmates simultaneously and be pretty aggro like this. just no, rask lock v

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Yeah, Rask lock V

Players Votes

Cape90 2 (Dobby, Cuthillius)
katze 2 (hollowkatt, Raskolnikov)

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Originally Posted by Sleep

can you point me to the cape interactions stuff you looked at? i have been AWOL and the game is long and my memory is short and we are low on time, i will tell you if it looks like how he interacts with his partners

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I literally did a few hours ago in my burst of stuff I want to do before I need to afk

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Originally Posted by Dobby

I literally did a few hours ago in my burst of stuff I want to do before I need to afk

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i thought you had a point about how cape interacted with flipped scum in specific, most of the stuff i see from you is on cuth?

HK, why were you tinfoiling me today again?

unless i misunderstood what you meant

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Originally Posted by ladd

i will prob be around even less tomorrow

villas

newcomb
zack

benneh

katze
sleep
HK
mont
ladd
cape

:clown:

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https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053831521

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053828609


Also I yhink at least one or two more places

And mainly, kqtze and cuths interactions with ender (o linked q lot of them and commented) just look too... advanced to be w/w, I gave examples, but a lot of it is like, ender cares too much to persuade them of stuff instead of just have some interactions and move on which would make more sense for a wolf

Katze way less likely to be teamed with ender for the above reason, but cuth also looks good if we only look at that

cape wolfgame on MU i found was less bad than the FoL one

would say this is either a lazy village game or a good wolf game from cape

not sure if i'm quite in "hardclear cape hes not a wolf" territory but... i see it? it's marinating in my head and i kinda wish i did this yesterday

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Originally Posted by Sleep

i thought you had a point about how cape interacted with flipped scum in specific, most of the stuff i see from you is on cuth?

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How ender wrote about him, qnd the other way around, maybe mainly enders approach which was kinda uh lazy considering what cape got in return., couldn't link all because yeah too much

Either way, don't clear cape on his iso only, you need to look at the flipped wolves I think. I feel like d1 was pretty easy to follow in that regard. If you feel like it's too much open a page and ctrl f cape or ender

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Originally Posted by katze

idk who im voting rn but im hedging real hard in my head rn so im assuming i'd not agree with whoever it is

vote:unvote

gonna take a short break, i think i have a lean in one direction but it is a lot less confident than id like it to be

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vote: unvote

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

HK, why were you tinfoiling me today again?

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inactivity basically. Not in that "inactivity for rask is a wolf tell" sort of way but in a "if town is eating itself wolf wants to avoid the thread" sort of way.

I do think we will get there with the work that's been done and I don't think we can blame ourselves whoever we vote todya

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Originally Posted by katze

would say this is either a lazy village game or a good wolf game from cape

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when my main concerns with cape this game are "l a c k i n g" this read is really funny

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Originally Posted by Sleep

i believe this

am i an idiot?

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if I wanted to be as uncharitable as possible cape says this because he realized his partner was vested and wanted to avoid a situation where his partner is forced to blow him up.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

if I wanted to be as uncharitable as possible cape says this because he realized his partner was vested and wanted to avoid a situation where his partner is forced to blow him up.

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a wolf with a vest is always going to openwolf with it tho?

i dont understand this

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Originally Posted by Dobby

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053831521

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...post2053828609


Also I yhink at least one or two more places

And mainly, kqtze and cuths interactions with ender (o linked q lot of them and commented) just look too... advanced to be w/w, I gave examples, but a lot of it is like, ender cares too much to persuade them of stuff instead of just have some interactions and move on which would make more sense for a wolf

Katze way less likely to be teamed with ender for the above reason, but cuth also looks good if we only look at that

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okay 1. i think ender and ladd shielding cape that way makes him MORE likely to be town, not less. this has been ponging around in my head all week and it is where i settled.

2. i think that all the cuth interactions with scum that i have seen quoted are, uh

scummy for him based on my view of his meta that i spent a bunch of time researching

in the sense that he goes out of his way to interact with his partners sometimes in cheeky ways and will try to deflect attention from them but never outright defend or townread them. in fact i felt like that convo with ender might have been the most he spent on interacting with anyone in the game?

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Originally Posted by Dobby

Either way, don't clear cape on his iso only, you need to look at the flipped wolves I think. I feel like d1 was pretty easy to follow in that regard. If you feel like it's too much open a page and ctrl f cape or ender

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i am basically snapping off this read and his day 1 was lacking in a lot of regards but thats my feeling right now

i will try to do a quick search

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Originally Posted by katze

uhhh it's been a combination of "cape kinda moving up" and "cuth moving down"

fwiw im still currently leaning on cape being the wolf but when i wrote that post one of his posts gave me a lot of pause



like... i read this post and my impression is "this is exactly the perspective i think v!cape would have, maybe he is just having a really lacking game and i need to evaluate the perspective more than the content"

and then i kinda short circuited and left thread and now im back and im still kinda thinking about it but i'm also not sure what his actual perspective wrt the last wolf is because his last few posts are like. he doesn't seem to think it's cuth. or sleep. or me? so does he think it's you/hk? does he think it's raskol? i guess he's kinda hedging on cuth so my mental model of cape rn is thinking that it's prob cuth but with low confidence?

idk i was hoping he'd answer my question before i answered yours because the ambiguity of his perspective is... not inherently wolfy but it's easy for my brain to see as such

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I have made it pretty clear that I don't think the mafia is Raskol here, like I would rather save that thought for another day especially given

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Just vote Ender before leaving though.

When you come back, we will talk about your sense of consensus and also willingness to AtE at 2 votes :) (I am kinda wording this as a joke, but when I have read your content I may come back to this)

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Originally Posted by Monstrdude

Explain how that was AtE or I vote you

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Originally Posted by Monstrdude

Are you trying to make me look bad? What part of that was appealing to emotion

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this string of events that was pointed out pretty much just now by Dobby. Also I think their double down on the thing and arguing with Dobby probably comes from town.

What I have seen from HK games, I find when they are wolf, they usually get more easily found out if that makes sense? I guess I can look, but they have good content and I think that would indicate in itself that HK isn't mafia.

I said this about Dobby/sleep

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Originally Posted by Cape90

BTW never consider Sleep in final 3, my advice is if you or sleep make it to final 3, other 2 people should vote each other.

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I don't think I made it clear, but I told Dobby this, I think Dobby has definitely by far has been the most solvy today which makes me just want to keep Dobby alive and probably just have them in towncore.

I am still a little back and forth on you and Cuth, but I almost don't want to think it's either of you, but at the same time, I think it might be, I think Cuth is a little more rand wolf today rather then you mostly for today where I don't really find Cuth's content today that compelling.

I will read wolf!HK since I just don't know his meta and get back to you on that ;)

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Originally Posted by Cape90

why do I have almost as many posts as ender right now, this doesnt seem right, I feel like they really declined in activity from yesterday to today

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Something to do with losing 24 hours to a migraine and also having D&D on the weekends. =P

I do have a life outside mafia yes.

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snrrrkt

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

if I wanted to be as uncharitable as possible cape says this because he realized his partner was vested and wanted to avoid a situation where his partner is forced to blow him up.

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i didnt want my wolf partner to blow up on me and instantly lose us the game since there was only 2 wolves left when I said that

Truly flawless logic

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Originally Posted by Cape90

Vote: Newcomb

fine

if I die, I think Ender should be at least double checked, like where they at?

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Where I'm at is in thread.

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oh god

oh man

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Originally Posted by Cape90

i didnt want my wolf partner to blow up on me and instantly lose us the game since there was only 2 wolves left when I said that

Truly flawless logic

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yeah that's pretty lol

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Originally Posted by Sleep

oh god

oh man

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Yup this kind of thing as well

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Originally Posted by katze

cape wolfgame on MU i found was less bad than the FoL one

would say this is either a lazy village game or a good wolf game from cape

not sure if i'm quite in "hardclear cape hes not a wolf" territory but... i see it? it's marinating in my head and i kinda wish i did this yesterday

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Boston>FOL wolf game>fruit vendor>didney worl 3

wolf games ranked fwiw

if i randed wolf and got a vest i would have blown up a teammate for "wifom purposes" and then when my other teammates carry us to a win i'd say it was a calculated play that only the best wolf in the world could do

tbh