You asked me to elaborate on this, so I'll indulge you.
6 people still alive.
Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
Pelican
Pelican is cleared by virtue of Riedquat protecting him and then Riedquat being nightkilled - i.e. Riedquat was in opposition to the mafia. - Pelican was neutral and had his own goals, including keeping Fry alice. He was opposed to non-robots. So it doesnt clear Pelican.
ATPG is not 100% lock clear but a town-aligned tracker makes sense with what's been confirmed about the setup and his theories make sense at this stage in the game. - a tracker who is left alive till lylo? anyways you agree that he is not clear.
Dp101... isn't mafia. End of discussion. ok. not cleared by any source.
And then there's me. - not cleared by any source
This leaves us with two scum remaining: atheotes, and Al Sipsclar.
It's not out of the realm of possibility that Pizza is a mafioso. But I'd put money on atheotes and Al Sipsclar being some variation of Walt and Igner (Mom's two unaccounted-for sons), and the game concluding upon their deaths.
my responses in red.
you said "It could be because of hard numbers, many of the remaining players in this game are either about to be Wogged or cleared by one source or another."
But your stated reasons dont match what you had said.
10-11-2016, 17:40
atheotes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I'm not sure what the two have to do with each other. If you're scum, you're lying about your role and have no protection ability whatsoever. This leaves us with Riedquat protecting Fry/Pelican.
i am a 1-shot BP. i only claimed protection ability so that i might be targeted for the kill.
You are scum with Pizza. There is no way you would play like this as town.
unfortunately the rest of the people alive dont seem to have enough experience playing with you and pizza to see that.
10-11-2016, 17:42
atheotes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Pizza, when you get back, sorry to keep requesting more clarification than should be necessary, but how is this an uncledynamite situation with Athotes? What is it about him specifically narrowing down his list of allowed mafia to me and Al that makes him obvscum?
What? i narrowed my list of scum to you and Al? where?
10-11-2016, 17:48
atheotes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelican
Hi pals, really sorry for all of the silence on my end, but this is the first spare moment I've had in days that I can reasonably devote to this game. And even this has to be brief. Based on what I can glean from a very cursory skim of the thread, I'll go ahead and vote for vote: Al Sipsclar; Don't want to go Pizza after Monty's flip and out of the remaining candidates, I feel he has been most suspicious throughout the game. I'm glad to see that there's still tomorrow for me to be around and change my vote if need be, but that participation may be limited to just a half hour or so around the EoD, unfortunately. Really sorry, I know players like me who sign up for a game and can't commit the necessary time later on are a major pain in the shiny metal ass (RIP my good friend Bender :cry:), but I really am trying my best with the situation I find myself in.
Al sips has been skirting along and sheeping votes. he has looked very scummy. I was convinced he was scum because of the way he voted Monty and his overall behavior till then.
I thought Pizza was town based on the Monty flip. But he comes around claiming fake results. and on hindsight he started setting me up for the mislynch even before today.
GH is his scum partner.
If you dont have time to read, i guess its a lost cause anyway.
10-11-2016, 17:52
Dp101
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
What? i narrowed my list of scum to you and Al? where?
According to one of pizza's posts you did that at some point, I think he quoted it in his big writeup.
10-11-2016, 18:13
atheotes
Re: Tally as of post 3017
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Originally Posted by Dp101
Holy crap, thanks for the extensive writeup. I understand things a lot better now, and I feel I understand mafia thinking a lot better now, and might actually become a decent townie one day. I realise that most of the above probably doesn't matter because if I trust you on that then I also trust your scan, which proves his guilt anyway.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
You know, on balance, even if I am wrong and you are mafia and Atheotes is innocent, I would be absolutely furious with myself if I lost via lynching a claimed tracker with the info needed for us to win (or at least continue the current game state). My vote will stay where it is.
:laugh4: You are just too drunk on pizza sauce. if possible look at it objectively:
1. town JK
2. Jown tracker
3. a VT who has been most people's top town read for the entirety of the game.
add to that, on a lower level,
4. Fry - the protagonist of the game theme
All these people are alive for Lylo. even if the scum team was fully made of newbie players, this situation would never happen.
Also, walls of WIFOMs with cherry picked posts is not analysis. Mostly agenda.
this is my mafia 101 lesson for you. ~;p
10-11-2016, 18:16
atheotes
Re: Tally as of post 3017
Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Look at the timestamps between these two posts:
His mistake immediately occurs to me because I am solving the game. This is not something that I had to even ponder for more than a moment.
All of those thoughts I just described in the above post (which takes a long time to type) occurred the instant I saw atheotes' post. A couple happened later on, but the main thrust of it, the live townie miscount, all happened just then, and the reasons behind it, and the cited example of where I've seen a scum doing it before.
GH is correct, I can't fake certain thought processes. I've been off the mark for most of the game, but I've given thought processes that made sense and explained them.
I do this because people need to know WHY I was incorrect if I was incorrect. And also so that if I am incorrect, someone can tell me why before the lynch actually happens. Then I can reverse.
Examples: suspicion on GH immediately reversed when I saw that claim. Jailkeeper is someone the mafia would have to roleblock or kill every single night for the rest of the game if he's town. And if he's scum, that will be found out when he's still alive at LYLO, usually.
Suspicion on Winston Hughes: Nonexistent the entire game. Never saw his original soft claim, suspected him precisely because I thought he claimed at night, which you shouldn't do if you're an investigative role or role with any active ability, unless you're also giving out information you're afraid will be lost.
As soon as it was pointed out he had claimed before that, the suspicion vanished again.
I could walk you through my suspicions and town leans on every single person I've talked about this entire game. Especially any reversals.
Ask me anything about any individual person.
Note also that he declared that it wasn't LYLO today, because Riedquat got shot.
Again, that can only be the case if you think there are 4 townies alive who aren't yourself.
2 scums and 4 other townies is not lylo, because if you include yourself, that's a final 7.
Final 6 means if there are 2 scums and 4 other townies, you are one of the scums.
Because final 6 does not occur very much on this board due to a lack of vigilantes, it's understandable that atheotes could forget the dynamics of LYLO and suggest in a taunting fashion that since Riedquat died, town can "afford to mislynch" atheotes, so therefore bluffing that town will get pizza tomorrow if atheotes is lynched incorrectly today.
But he made the same mistake again, forgetting to include himself as townie.
You don't need tracking data to catch atheotes here. The thread is often times far more conclusive than claims, especially in a non-spreadsheet solve game with host-provided fake role PMs given to the scums.
You must examine the in-thread stuff. But I know GH is lock clear now, and that atheotes is not scumming with GH. I also know at least one of Al Sips and dp101 are townies. Pelican could be scum if he had a role that falsely scanned as Fry, but if anyone had a godfather power it was probably Montmorency based on flipping Mom, so I'm not in favor of that theory.
What a load of BS! Scum know the situation exactly. They do not make mistakes like what i did. I guess Pizza is unable to control himself at this point.
10-11-2016, 18:18
atheotes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar
So, no two sane scums could be outside of Pizza's wagon yesterday. Two scums outside Pizza's wagon could be possible only if Pizza himself were to be scum (and Monty and Pizza created two competing wagons for themselves just for kicks), or if the second scum was AWOL.
Vote: atheotes
Quote:
Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar
Out of GH, Dp, PP, and myself, I seem to be the most likely last scum. However, that contradicts my role PM (I had to re-read it, just to be sure I didn't overlook it, :laugh4:), so this is really interesting. Probably also means I'm going to survive until final four, being the scum's last chance to unify town against itself. This is why lurkers should be lynched early.
you are scum according to everyone but me. who do you think is my scum partner?
10-11-2016, 18:20
Dp101
Re: Tally as of post 3017
Look, fine, if Pizza is mafia I hereby grant you permission to laugh at me endlessly after the game.
10-11-2016, 18:22
atheotes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
According to one of pizza's posts you did that at some point, I think he quoted it in his big writeup.
I dont read his big write ups. So you just believe whatever he is saying? dont verify for yourself? you wont do it after tomorrow.
the only thing i can remember is when i thought Al sips was scum and he was negotiating with Quat. He left you out of the possible lynches to be pushed by Quat. I suspected you being scum.
your general sheeping has felt wolfy at times but i have generally dismissed it as your inexperience with Pizza. dont know if i ever commented on it.
10-11-2016, 18:27
atheotes
Re: Tally as of post 3017
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
Look, fine, if Pizza is mafia I hereby grant you permission to laugh at me endlessly after the game.
nah. the only people who have put in enough effort in this game to actually win are Pizza, Monty and you are probably third. So its fair game if they win.
I was just dumb to think Zack would not give cover role abilities also to scum. if it is not an ability but a guess from Pizza, he deserves to win just for that.
last qn to you, what do you think about GH and pizza's position on GH being lock clear?
10-11-2016, 18:30
Dp101
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
I dont read his big write ups. So you just believe whatever he is saying? dont verify for yourself? you wont do it after tomorrow.
the only thing i can remember is when i thought Al sips was scum and he was negotiating with Quat. He left you out of the possible lynches to be pushed by Quat. I suspected you being scum.
your general sheeping has felt wolfy at times but i have generally dismissed it as your inexperience with Pizza. dont know if i ever commented on it.
So what, I'm not allowed to trust direct quotes of players because they were quoted by someone you don't like?
10-11-2016, 18:33
atheotes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
So what, I'm not allowed to trust direct quotes of players because they were quoted by someone you don't like?
i am saying you got to read the whole context. often the clueless and paranoid ones are townies, like yours truly.
10-11-2016, 22:38
Askthepizzaguy
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Just checking in before bed. Note about this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
What? i narrowed my list of scum to you and Al? where?
Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Al sips has been skirting along and sheeping votes. he has looked very scummy. I was convinced he was scum because of the way he voted Monty and his overall behavior till then.
I thought Pizza was town based on the Monty flip. But he comes around claiming fake results. and on hindsight he started setting me up for the mislynch even before today.
GH is his scum partner.
If you dont have time to read, i guess its a lost cause anyway.
Look back to last night. He specifically has GH as town there and keeps me as scum. There are several posts where he puts GH as town.
He's not being truthful about having me as town, except for the fact that for a moment, he declares the possibility of both me and GH innocent with Pelican in a pair of posts. Which would be the exact listing of just dp101 and Al Sipsclar. Unless he was accusing Reidquat, if you look, you won't see any indication that Riedquat's alignment was in question from atheotes.
And something as simple as "I thought Pizza was town based on the Monty flip" shouldn't be misremembered so quickly. It's clear that he doesn't think I'm town last night, and then gives me a tracking suggestion.
My guess for the final one is Al Sipsclar, but it would be prudent to give each player remaining another look through their ISO, and most especially, what the flipped scums had to say about them throughout the game. I'll be at school tomorrow, but in about 13 hours, I'll be able to give my best look. If you give me a hand with it, put the dead not-mafia people on ignore mode and you can read the thread and get a much better perspective on things.
10-12-2016, 01:07
atheotes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
It would be so funny if pizza is town and there is a scum bus driver...:laugh4:
So, everyone ready to lose? I really need a good way of relieving lynch stress at lylo.
I'm a fan of Philadelphia sports teams, so I've learned the hard way that if you're feeling good about something... just shut up, otherwise you'll jinx it.
I'm a fan of Philadelphia sports teams, so I've learned the hard way that if you're feeling good about something... just shut up, otherwise you'll jinx it.
Did it happen once already this game? ~:)
10-12-2016, 03:25
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Did it happen once already this game? ~:)
Yeah, when Murska got lynched.
10-12-2016, 03:26
atheotes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dp101
So, everyone ready to lose? I really need a good way of relieving lynch stress at lylo.
If i had offended in you in any way i apologize. :bow:
Looking forward to play with you again.
10-12-2016, 03:27
atheotes
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Yeah, when Murska got lynched.
yeah....right. :rolleyes:
How long are you going to keep up the charade? :beam:
10-12-2016, 03:29
Dp101
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Deadline was half an hour ago, probably shouldn't post anything that is alignment indicative.
10-12-2016, 03:45
Zack
Re: Futuramafia [In Play]
Don't post.
Sorry, I was studying and lost track of time. :sweatdrop:
