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i might just wild out and
vote: hollowkatt
yall can chop cape if thats what you decide, i still kind of do not feel it is cape. most of the dead towns did not think it was cape. i dont think ladd/ender talked about cape the way they do about a teammate. i think cape has been like his town self. can maybe look at this a little but thats what i wanna say rn
My attempts at tossing as many things at Cuth to change my mind about them sure didn't work
this is not going to be an easy day
why hk excactly? this is... god i dont like this from you at this stage of the game and it makes me want to dive into your isoQuote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
this is part sheeping the dead but im skipping the part where they wanted us to kill katze + i am actually rereading him now in full
i ehmQuote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
i think his interactions with all the flipped mafia on day 1 read theatrical in hindsight. he backed off ender too easy. his solving looks shallow. his reaction to the ender vest situation looked kinda forced
i uh, had these thoughts exactly d1 and was one of the people pushing him the hardest, as well as d2 iirc. It... mightve been d3 when me and him had a ton of back and forth when i changed my mind on him - can you look back at that and tell me what you think after reading that? becuase i had like, yeah, a fairly identical read on him tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
And, when you say "part sheeping the dead", do you mean on hk? Because im fairly certain nobody townread cape more than they townread hk. We also "sheeped the dead" on cuth and yeah.
and protecting cape here is literally inviting to a situation where hes... in f3 and it kinda just skews the situation in a really weird direction. Killing him today makes f3 a lot easier.
idk this whole thing from you doesn't really feel good slash makes sense
feel free to look into me. i am prepared to defend myself altho its kinda reliant on self-metaQuote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
is this all you have to say :wowee:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cape90
rask, sunbae, and newcomb had hk in poe. its uneven but most of the dead towns were actually defending cape. idk how much stock you wanna put in that but its thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
im not even really necessarily anticipating i have the pull to save cape today. im just kind of following a thought. it could be wrong. i often am. im just trying to be less...throwing myself into things completely and then getting bummed if its wrong? idk this is a thing specific to me personally but i certainly dont think i get emo here as mafia
sleep:
if we vote out cape today and he flips mafia, what would you be most proud of this game? what would you be most ashamed of?
i edited my user title so you can ctrl+F for it while rereading to get to my posts
also apparently i never replied to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
yeah, i understand that voting outside of cape and being wrong is significantly worse than voting cape and being wrong, with that said i don't really feel comfortable using that as an excuse to vote cape and afk. i was more willing to do that yesterday because the stakes were lower but i'm... thinking about worlds where cape is a villager.
if you asked me who i was gonna place my vote on if EoD was in 30 seconds i wouldn't have a solid answer though. probably stll cape because id be panicked but thats not the point of this analogy smh
i meanQuote:
Originally Posted by katze
i think i'd look pretty silly ultimately
obviously i would have played a not great game i had some okay read day 1 and chickened out on them if that were the case
but this kinda goes into thing earlier about not staking so much emotion/personal self-worth on this internet game y'know
ultimately i would be happy to win and glad i got carried by such clever people, that's all
alright pretend i asked the same questions but cape flips town
(this is probably worthless just because you already made a point to not have Stakes here but)
id be bummed because id have broken out of a days long tunnel on hm and successfully found him only to be unable or not confident enough to convince others to save him and id be dreading the prospect of going to f3 (because, well, i think you know)
oh i guess i kind of shifted to a different thinking about my mindset but yeah. id be glad to have found him as town but disappointed that i wasnt able to do anything with it
im in a predicament
if we vote out a non-cape/katze villager today then f3 is like... me cape and idk. and like, if both me and cape are in f3 i feel like town basically always loses it because if one of us is mafia then the other one is probably going to die and if we're both town then... who the fuck knows but that'd be a wack f3 and one that i think objectively is dangerous
while i have these thoughts i am also considering worlds where i want to vote sleep or dobby
now if you read between the lines here
i hate it here
[QUOTE=katze;2053831865]if we vote out a non-cape/katze villager today then f3 is like... me cape and idk. and like, if both me and cape are in f3 i feel like town basically always loses it because if one of us is mafia then the other one is probably going to die and if we're both town then... QUOTE]
bwuhhh?
does... my reasoning around why cape should die today and NOT be in f3 make sense? which trio do you think makes for the easiest/most preferable f3 from a town pov?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
im not gonna like, go re-do the things ive done but this is a post from f9 where i went through all preferred poes
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Originally Posted by Dobby
idk this thing youre doing feels like it comes at a really weird time and... i know i accused kat of doing this the other day (ie playing exactly like she needed to to reach f3 and win as wolf) but this is... a similar thing im seeing here. especially bringing hk into the picture. write stuff about it, more than... what you wrote about the d1 stuff, maybe some more reasoning behind each thing you mentioned because i feel like you just wrote stuff without actually meaning them
talking about this
and then saying "im fine with being wrong" (paraphrased) etc, because, sure, we all are, and have been, or we wouldnt be in f5, but... if youre going to not vote cape, and going after hk, dont just place a vanity vote there based on very loose grounds, we kinda need to be on the same track here or see what the others see to have a chance and not just "i believe this is right bai".Quote:
i ehm
i think his interactions with all the flipped mafia on day 1 read theatrical in hindsight. he backed off ender too easy. his solving looks shallow. his reaction to the ender vest situation looked kinda forced
did you check my interaction with hk d3? the thing i said made me change my mind on hk?
honestly the biggest reason i have to think cape might be a villager is the fact that i feel like the thread has become significantly more pro-katze for reasons that i don't fully understand in a way that makes me feel like im the designated F3 ML
and i don't think thats how w!cape approaches the game i think he needs anything he can get to get to F3
i probably spent like a million hours looking into this yestergameday and i honestly feel pretty good about my vote. it feels like the lvl 1 solve was monty-cuth-cape-(and you) in some order, and thats the road we've been following, because it leads to a f3 that can be solved without weird stuff involved. I do have thoughts on you, i do have thoughts on sleep (way more today), and a bit on hk, but this still feels like The way.Quote:
Originally Posted by katze
this bolded thing is literally what im trying to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by katze
if we are wrong it's fine, then we are in f3 and the amount of stuff to read is way less.
dobby i know what ur saying and i don't particularly disagree i just hate that i'm no longer as confident in it being correct today
i was the one most loudly anti-you until i spent my 200 hours rereading stuff as well as our interactions and then i felt a lot better about you, thats probably why its significantly more pro-katze.Quote:
Originally Posted by katze
i think w!cape doesnt need to do much because we are doing it for him
nodQuote:
Originally Posted by Dobby
thats true, iirc cape was lightening up on me too though, and i think sleep as well?
like basically everybody alive who isn't a kat was previously much louder about me being a wolf and is no longer that?
[QUOTE=Sleep;2053831867]i don't see what makes this so confusingQuote:
Originally Posted by katze
If both me and katze are villagers and we miselim somebody else today, it's pretty much a guarantee that neither of me or katze are going to get nightkilled, pretty much a nonzero chance, and like, I can't just lock town myself or whatever soz
(sleep said that not katze)
part of my point is that its FINE if we aren't correct today, because yeah, you and cape in f3 will be a straight up lottery thing to deal with, but not yeeting him (or you) means that f3 will just be insanely hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by katze
Sleep and HK have kind of gotten free-passes for a huge chunk of the game based on like one or a couple of things and reevaluating that sure it can be done to a bigger extent now in f5 but id rather just, have us wait until f3 when we really would need to, and i genuinely would rather see hk and sleep in f3 than both you and cape.
cape was very pro-katze despite you pushing him (idk what day it was but it was for a fairly long time) and i think it was yesterday that cape started sussing you back.Quote:
Originally Posted by katze
i didn't get the immpression of what youre wirting there but shrugze. maybe to some extent? meh
that doesnt sound right and i'd fact check it but im currently doing other busywork
also i didnt see you "bwuh"ing at my post gira but i feel like its p self explanatory so shrugze
cape do you really have nothing else to add