Will of the Senate - Senate Deliberations II

I second motions 9.2 and 9.4.

In light of the war with the Thracians, I believe that the Republic is in urgent need of reinforcements, as these wars will without doubt be both long, and bloody.

I propose:

Motion #9.5: All Roman troops (Hastasi, Principes, Triarii, Velites, Funditores and Equites) be relieved of auxilia garrison duty and be redeployed with under-strength Legions (such as Legio VI)
Motion #9.6: A new Legion, Legio VII be raised and be deployed immediately against the Thracians.

If motion #9.6 is passed, I would recommend any one of Valerius Paullus, Gaius Rutilius and Luca Mamilius to be promoted to the rank of Legatus Legionis of Legio VII. I would also like to put myself forward for military service as a Tribune, or even as a Legate, should the senate see me fit for duty.

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[Augustus Verginius]

I must congratulate Senator Coruncanius on the incredible successes that have been achieved under his stewardship. I would never have believed that we could achieve such great successes against the Greeks and Macedonians. In addition, I am amazed that this term, which was defined more than any other by war, should also be the most prosperous the Republic has yet seen. Despite massive levies, our income has grown and our treasury is nearly overflowing! Few men can ever be said to have achieved as much as Senator Coruncanius in such a short time. Accordingly, I propose the following motion:

Motion #9.7: Tiberius Coruncanius will be granted a triumph in recognition of the great achievements the Republic has made during his term, both in war and economics.

That said, it is only the overwhelming respect that I have for the Senator that prevents me from saying vile things about his sense of propriety. I am... greatly disturbed... by his desire to protect Gallic children. When I was ambushed by the Gauls under Lucco, Roman arms put many Gallic men to the sword. At that time there were many Gallic male children of but 5 or 6 years in their territories. Today these boys are 18 or 19 and many of them undoubtedly aided in the slaughter of Legio III.

There is no such thing as a Gallic innocent. They are all warriors; they are all monsters. Any child we spare is a future sword-arm that will be raised against Rome. Any man who doubts this is a fool. There is no peace with Gaul, there never will be. We must exterminate them or they will exterminate us. This very body stayed my hand nearly 10 years ago when I wished to finish them all. Had I done so, many a soldier in Legio III would still be alive today. If we stay our hand once more, we will once again suffer the consequences. We must exterminate them once and for all! If this Senate still quakes in fear of the Iberians and thinks a 'buffer state' will save their sons from war, then return Gergovia to the Gauls... but only after it has been made an example for all the world to see.

As for those Senators who say that recovering the Eagle is of less importance than other things and who fear that it will result in war with the Iberians... you men are cowards and do not deserve to sit in this body. The Eagle is the very symbol of Roman pride. It is the eternal representation of the superiority of the people of Romulus and to allow even one to sit in barbarian hands... GALLIC HANDS... for even a day longer than it could, is high treason! This is an Eagle of Rome! Its recovery must be the foremost objective of all Roman citizens and all who attempt to keep it from us must feel our wrath, whether they be 'peaceful' or not.

Motions 9.3 and 9.4 are insulting to the honor of the Republic. A vote for them is a vote against Jupiter himself.

[Cornelius Saturninus]

Hear hear, Senator Verginius! Spoken like a true Roman! Someone must take a stand against these weaklings in our own senate, they will be our downfall otherwise. That being said, I second motions 9.5, 9.6 and 9.7.

I must admit that I see two people where there is but one person. I see Legate Augustus Verginius, who is a fine commander, a good soldier, and a dear friend. Then, I see Senator Augustus Verginius, who is little more than a blood-thirsty savage! You often use the example of the sack of Rome as an argument against the Gauls, but now you are proposing to do worse! You already sacked and enslaved most of Gaul, and now you propose to exterminate an entire city! Rome wasn't exterminated by the Gauls, they are more lenient than you!

You say Gallic boys grow into enemies of Rome, but I disagree. Look at Cisalpine Gaul. Those boys you saw during your fight with Lucco are now fine subjects of the Roman Republic and may, in time, be valuable allies. The only thing the Gauls lack is the ability to rule themselves. As has been shown in Cisalpine Gaul, all they need is some Roman authority.

We will, of course, capture Gergovia to recover the eagle. If we hold on to Gergovia, then those particular Gauls will pose no further problems to Rome, and will, in fact, be an asset. Abandoning it would just invite further problems, even if most of the population was killed. We need no buffer state, as the Iberians are bound to attack us anyway, as everyone else has. They may even do so now, as they may perhaps try to take advantage of the fact that we are engaged in many other wars. I, for one, am not afraid of them. Let them come, they will die like all others have.

One thing I should note is that the Iberian army blocking Massilia Ford is not, technically, on our territory, so the Consul is currently not authorized to engage them. Which is why I propose the following:

Motion 9.8: This house considers any attempt by Iberia to block access to Gergovia to the Roman armies as a hostile act, and authorizes a declaration of war on Iberia should any such attempt be made.

I say that I must disagree with you, Consul Coruncanius. The Gauls have recovered quickly from our previous raids, that much is clear. If we do not finish them once and for all they will continue to menace us. Thus I propose the following:

Motion 9.9: Gaul is to be destroyed by the end of the next Consul's term. The determining of the ownership of their remaining settlements is to be decided by the Senate.

I also second Motion 9.7.

And so I propose that we finish them off by holding on to any of their settlements we capture. As was shown in Cisalpine Gaul, that is the most permament solution, and the most beneficial to us.

P.S. I apologize, but I have added a Motion to my statement a little late. Please change your motion number to 9.9.

{Servius Aemilius} It seems there is ever the feud amongst our fine senators..but that is a good thing I think. I would fear what may become of Rome's enemies should the whole of the senate ever turn their eyes in one direction alone. But even in an idealistic world, however, such a thing does not seem feasable given the current circumstances. Forgive my rather rude interjection senators..as I don't mean to undermine the proposals of more experienced men...but if I may offer the following suggestion for review, I think there may be a sound solution to at least some of Rome's quandries.

After careful thought and deliberation between myself and my mentor, I have drawn up the following proposal for our dealings in the Gallic theatre. A three pronged plan designed to take minimal resources from territories that could better be used to deal with the Thracian threat, prevent any overzealous Iberian incursions into Roman lands, and finally subdue the majority of the remaining Gallic territories that have as yet eluded Roman rule. If you would, please, senators, take a look.

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Step One, in Orange. The construction of a fort placed directly between the first and seconds fords near Massilia, and garrisoned by Legio III, would not only prevent the possibility of any overzealous Iberian or Gallic incursions, but also maintain freedom of movement for the legions between Massilia and Cisalpine Gaul.

Step Two, in Red. During the same season as the construction of the Massilian Fords Fort, I will personally begin the march of the Cisalpine Gaul Auxilia out of our fort near Jenuensis and through the northern Alpine Pass. Dealing swiftly with the Gallic army outside of Comata and then capturing the town itself would be everything we'd need to finish the campaign for the return of our lost eagle to Rome...During the proceedings of this campaign for Comata, I would advise the reinforcement of Legio III to whatever level possible by the facilities in Massilia or via the purchase of mercenaries.

Step Three, in Blue. We finish the deed, marching the Ford Fort garrison north and the Cisalpine Gaul Auxilia south to close Gergovia in a pincer movement. This would ensure the capture of all remaining Gallic lands directly on our borders and the return of the Eagle to Rome. I would suggest that Augustus Verginius command the siege of Gergovia, with Marcellus Aemilius as Tribune. I will support with the Auxilia as reinforcements should the unthinkable occur and Legio III somehow suffer a defeat or be placed in dire need of rescue.

I will leave Gergovia's fate after it's fall up to further deliberation of the senate. Drustan of Docetia, if encountered at any point of these campaigns, will be put to the sword. The gods shall not have mercy on his wretched soul. If he crosses my path, I will personally return his head to this senate floor.

I would suggest this as Motion 9.10 This motion will negate all other motions dealing with the Gallic problem.

I must also second Motion 9.6. Thrace is not an enemy that can too long be fought with undermanned legions.

That is everything..I trust the wisdom of the senate to consider my idea and pass judgement as they see fit.

Young Aemilius, I am glad you have taken an interest in resolving our current situation, and applaud your boldness in presenting your ideas to the Senate. If I may be so bold, I would like to point out the flaws in your plan, and some in your presentation.

For step one, I don't believe it is possible to construct a fort there due to adverse terrain.

For step two, you are suggesting that you, who has no experience commanding troops in the field, who has not even attained the rank of Tribune in the Roman army, lead an entire Legion on a long march through the Alps, deep into Gallic territory, along a difficult trail with no roads. Let us not be overconfident. Do you suppose you can manage a Roman Legion, keep it supplied, and lead it in battle, when you have never done anything of that sort on any scale yet, nor have you assisted anyone in doing so? Will the Centurions, who effectively outrank you, even listen to your orders? Will the Senate trust you in this task, having no meter of your knowledge and skill? I am not saying these things to dishonor you, but, let's be realistic.

For step three, there is a netural army in the way of the southern strike, which would have to be addressed, and proper authorization given. Verginius is currently in Moesia, and there would be a significant delay before he arrived in theater. How would the tactical situation change until he arrived? Would you wait for him to arrive in Cisalpine Gaul or in Comata? How would this change your plan?

And finally, some presentation formalities. The motion you wish to propose should be numbered 9.10. You see, the first number indicates that we are in the 9th senate session, while the second number indicates that that is the 10th motion to be proposed. Motion 10.1 would be the first motion of the 10th session (the next session in 2 and a half years' time). Also, Motions should be clear instructions to the Consul; so, you'd want to phrase your plan within a few, clear sentences, to be the actual text of the motion. Finally, negating all other motions dealing with the Gallic problem is far too broad. Motions presented so far don't even concern the tactical situation, but mainly what we would do upon capturing Gergovia. In general, you'd want to limit negating to specific motions already proposed. If you do not see any motion that you would need to invalidate in order for your motion to be implementable, then you need to take no action, as your motion will take precedence over any future motions that are proposed.

A strange sound made by a known voice flows into the air.. "Agh.."

Silence roams in the hall, for it seems that voice has more to say.

"I see the trust in our Roman Generals has grown too little.. With every word spoken about raising another legion, you simply insult me, and all my companion generals.. Shame, yes shame. You talk about disgrace and dishonur Publius Laevinus has brought, but forget about all the glory he raised.. Many Roman lives have been wasted, and lost, but many more have been saved.. I don't care what you say, but I know, and for sure, that fearing another war through venging the blood of those loyal and brave Romans is disgrace, and is dishonur. I feel no pitty for Gallic men, I feel no pitty for Iberians, I feel no pitty for Thracians, I feel no pitty for Greeks, and I feel no pitty for any other enemy.. But, I respect them each, as enemies, as brave warriors who chose to stand and fight the great eagle of Roma! I pitty them not, not because I hate them, but because there is no pitty in war. And so, I ask and require, that Rome starts war at each side in order to finish it. It all started when we kept those Gallic cities, other nations started to invade us, knowing that if we wage war; and that is unlikely, thanks to you, peaceful Senators, we will still keep their cities, and their children safe to them."

Motion 9.15: An investigation is to be launched about the facts of the Messilia battle that Publius Laevinus has lost. His glory surely had more than a regular battle to lose. (This one is RP-face, just RP-ing)

Motion 9.16: War is inevitable, and on all sides. And so, every opposing factions should have a Legion assigned to conquer it.

OOC (The suggestion as to who would lead the second assalt was a misreading of information in the library on my part as to who was actually stationed where, my apologies. Also, to the motion numbers.)

In regards to the fort, if not in that spot precisely then a bit more to the east, or even on the Massilian side of the second ford if need be, the fact remains that there must be some form of solid barricade between Massilia and an invading army. The Iberians or Gauls could be too easily enticed into attacking an already very weakened legion out in the open. And a siege of Massilia itself would only be detrimental to Rome, whether the siege could be effectively broken or not.

The neutral army you speak of is the Iberians, who will by then most certainly have moved on, or we can go around them as proposed with a small fleet. Your concerns in regards to the Iberian army near Massilia blocking a push south from Comata to Gergovia are a bit unnecessary, but either way, the route to Gergovia offers two seperate mountain paths, either one can be taken to avoid a neutral army in the way.

And I must agree with you senator..let us be realistic. The eagle must be returned as immediately as possible, with as little serious loss as we could afford. I am confident in myself, I am confident in the legions, I am confident in Rome. I am no fool, I am well open to the suggestions of my more experienced fellow men, in the Auxilia where I am currently stationed, and here. But you too must recognize that this is not a chance we could afford to lose.

If I succeed, what kind of hero would that make the senate in the eyes of Rome? Placing their faith in an unknown and entrapping the rest of the Gallic lands under Roman rule in one campaign? The people will applaud the senate on its actions, the people grow fat and happy on the stuff of legend. The senate's wisdom in the selection of young generals will bring the people further stories of Roman conquest and glory. Perhaps even honorary monuments constructed in the senate's name...in a Romanised Comata, or Gergovia.

Besides this, is the experience of much older, embattled generals not needed elsewhere where the threat is much more vast? No less than four Thracian armies bear down on Segestica in the east, the Greek and Macedonian cities are unhappy and the threat of Illyrian, Thracian or Macedonian invasion is still very real. Would you have these men withdraw from established roman domain only to lose it to those who we have fought so hard to take it from? Such an act would embolden these people, incite them to rebellion and give them new vigor.

And if I fail...quite personally I don't foresee such a turn of events, but if I do..what serious loss has the senate incurred that could not be easily replaced in a season or two?

And as one last remark, senator...the management of many is the same as the management of a few, it's all a matter of organisation, are not the legions the most organised military system in the world? I can lead these men, I can keep them supplied, they will obey me, if not for my rank, than for my conviction in this cause. I can lead Rome to a victory on this campaign.

And finally, since my oratory seems to be a bit lengthy compared to what was expected..as proposed for...
Motion 9.10 I suggest the construction of a buffer fort between Massilia and Gergovia, the marching of the Cisalpine Gaul Auxilia under my command to take Comata, the convergance of the Cisalpine Gaul Auxilia and Legio III on Gergovia pending a successful campaign against Comata.

Senators! Now is not the time to bicker amongst ourselves. Nay, now is the time for unified action more than ever before.

Whilst I am a little confused about the numbering of the Motions currently I will second the following motions:

#9.5
#9.8
#10.3

I also propose the following Motions:

Motion #9.11 (??): The immediate reassignment of Senator Augustus Verginius to the Gallic theatre.

- He has shown himself as being consummate in his actions against the Gauls, I can think of no other commander who would be MORE ready to retrieve our lost honour and Eagle.

Motion #9.12 (assuming 9.11 is numbered correctly): The complete conquest and retention of the Gallic held lands.

- The time of half measures has past now. The Gauls have shown themselves foolish beyond belief and utterly un-trustable. This must be finished NOW and finally.

Motion #9.13: The blocking Iberian army should be threatened with our own forces – our intent made clear over a season. If they choose to withdraw, the motion permits the moving past the force to engage the Gauls, if they do not, the Motion authorises immediate war against the Iberians.

- We must give the Iberians the chance to decided their own fate. IF they choose to stand against us, so be it.

Our campaign must continue against the Greeks and Macedonians and both factions must be finished as fast as possible. I believe this war is progressing as could be expected but it is obvious we require more legions now in order to defend our expanding borders, do this end:

Motion #9.14: The authorisation to raise THREE Legion strength forces. These are to be assigned as per Motion #10.3 (one to our Gallic campaign, one to face Macedonia and Greece and one to face Thrace).

- Whilst we do not require additional support for the campaign against Macedonia, we will require further strength to support our effort by defending our rear. The impending conflict against Thrace is bound to require additional Legions.

Now I call for TWO seconders for my motions as proposed.

I second motion 9.13. I believe that any other action such as immediately declaring war on Iberia prematurely without even a force near the ford is wrongheaded. If by the time a sizeable Legion has arrived and they are still there, Senator Curtius' suggestion will be what should be done.

[SENATE SPEAKER]: I am renumbering motions 10.1 and 10.2 as motions 9.15 and 9.16 respectively.

A motion 9.10 has been mentioned but it needs some concise text to be attached to it.

The next motion to be proposed should be numbered 9.17.

I firmly believe that the Gauls deserve naught but the sword. Yet, Senator Tiberius Coruncanius' words have surprised me. I expected this Senate to once again vote to leave the Gauls independant and to simply make an example of Gergovia and depart. In such a situation, no 'example' other than extermination would do. We ravaged their entire nation, enslaved thousands of citizens, and razed their cities to the ground. They learned nothing from thus, and so a harsher lesson would be necessary.

Yet, he speaks the truth about the Cisalpine provinces. The Gauls are of benefit to Rome... when they are working in chains and being supervised by Roman masters. I would find it entirely acceptable to refrain from extermination if we were to finally bring to an end the independant Gallic nation. In such a situation, I would like to personally oversee the 'Romanization' of Gergovia. I assure you, they will work harder than any man in the world under my yoke.

I second Motions 9.8, 9.9, 9.11, 9.12, and 9.15. In regards to Motion 9.15, a believe a trial should be conducted to determine the guilt of Senator Publius Laevinus. Should he be found guilty, exile to Melite for the remainder of his days may be in order.

On other topics, I believe it very important that the next Consul bring our current Legions up to full strength before raising new ones. New Legions may certainly be warranted, but voting them into existence is meaningless unless the other Legions are also strengthened. Legio II is at half strength. Legio III is barely more than two cohorts and it is outnumbered by the entire Massilia garrison that is encamped with it. Legio IV is at half strength. Legio VI is mostly mercenaries and has not a single Roman infantry. Even Consular I Army is at half its normal strength. Reinforcements are urgently needed for all of these Legions. If they are not properly brought to strength, they simply will not be able to continue the wars in the East. I will not bring a motion about this out of fear of over-legislating the next Consul, but I urge him to strengthen our existing Legions first, before raising new ones.

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In regards to Motion 9.15, a believe a trial should be conducted to determine the guilt of Senator Publius Laevinus. Should he be found guilty, exile to Melite for the remainder of his days may be in order.

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I second motion 9.15 also.

Although I deem a public trial better, the plebs. should be allowed to hear both sides of the story...and I also deem it wiser to wait with a punishment untill all the facts are known. For all we know, Melite is far too good a place to send our general, we'll see...

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Then we have reached an agreement. I will second Motions 9.11 and 9.12. I expect Senator Verginius to support Motion 9.3 rather than Motion 9.1 as the instruction to the Consul to recover the eagle.

On a different topic, I think that legislation about organization, such as specifying the number of legions to be raised and their assignment, is not needed, and is far too specific. When the Consul levies new troops, he will organize them as he best sees fit, given the situation. I think the Consul is better suited to decide on details like these than the Senate. The most detailed instruction that the Senate ought to give is the directive to levy some troops, which will probably be done anyway.

On a more urgent note, I believe it is time for those who wish to lead the Republic to step forward. The time in this session is running out, and I will vote for no one unless I have had the time to dissect their plans.

After what the learned Senators have stated I will reword Motion #9.14 thus:

Motion #9.14: The Senate authorises the raising of troops to bring all current field armies back up to their fully operational levels as well as raise, up to, three additional field Legions.

Whilst I agree that the choices must be with the acting Consul he must also be aware that the Senate has allowed him to do such re-organisation and the required drafting of our citizens but also that we put limits upon his use of our Roman manpower and taxes.

I don't believe we have a sufficient number of lower house Legates to activate three additional legions. But since that's given as optional ("up to"), and since I believe the current units need reinforcement, I will second Motion 9.14, as it is phrased now.

I support the general principle behind Motion 9.15, but don't like its wording. We have no procedures in place to conduct an investigation or a trial. The Motion should be rephrased so that it assigns a person or a comission to conduct the investigation, or specifies a way for us to choose such persons or comissions. Further, the Motion should specify if it would be the task of the same body to determine a punishment, or if it should be the Senate that does that based on the findings of the invesgitation. This Motion should be a constitutional amendment that specifies how these sorts of things are to be done in the future.

A messenger arrives, looking rather the worse for wear...

Greeting honoured senators, I bear word from Legate Lucius Aemilius, who is momentarily besieged in Segestica by the foul Thracian horde, and is thus unable to attend in person. A mere siege by a thousand bloodthirsty barbarians is not enough to stop the unstoppable Roman Courier Service (not wind, nor rain, nor guard dogs or bloodthirsty hordes will hold us back - RCS motto), and so I am pleased to present you with the words of my commander.

Conscript fathers,

Led me start of by applauding the exemplary leadership shown by Tiberius Coruncanius ! I have watched his bold plans unfold with trepidation, on occasion even fearing for his life and that of our men, but my fears for the Republic slowly gave way to amazement when I saw his achievements during his reign as consul. Truly, Mars and Jupiter must have been standing behind him all the way, guiding him with strength and wisdom ! His audacious strategy and the power of our legions gave us victory !
We are now masters of Greece, a very wealthy province and a welcome addition to our lands. The Greeks have been banished from the mainland and the Macedonian juggernaut is broken. The Illyrians are close to defeat and are down to one unwalled coastal city, Salona.

Alas, seldom are there good times unmixed with ill. I saw ill omens in the flight of the birds and when taking the auspices shortly before I got the news that the most horrible thing has befallen our nations, the loss of the III's legionary eagle. I was still in shock when an earth tremor, no doubt caused by gloating enemies in the Netherworld caused part of the wall to collapse, and only with a supreme effort of will did my demoralized men manage to erect an improvised barrier before the camp was overrun by the barbarians. All manner of ill tidings have plagued us since, no matter how grand our sacrifices.
I blame this ill fortune on the wrath of the Gods. Only if we placate them by regaining the eagle will the balance shift once more. Even if not for the Gods, as I know not all of you are so religiously inclined as myself, I beg you to think of the morale of our troops. My men are so terrified they will lose their standard as well they no longer sleep in their tents, but in a circle around the standard untill I put a stop to it by having it guarded by my Praetorians. We must make it our highest priority to regain the eagle, and not men or mountain should delay us in achieving this goal.

Our nation is strong, but the heavy fighting has left it in disarray, which strongly disagrees with my Roman sense of order. Our new territory, while still prosperous, is blackened and burned by the ceaseless strife. Many of the cities are littered with copses and burned buildings. The greatest worry, our legions are battered and even in Italy itself there is hardly a cohort of men up to full strength. I place no blame on Tiberius Coruncanius, we were so hard pressed even our garrisons were needed at the frontlines. This situation must however be remedied immediately.

New troops must be raised en masse and send to to front to strengthen our forces, and to Hades with the expense involved. The Illyrians, down, but not out, must be crushed immediately as well, so we need no longer watch our backs at the Greek frontlines. Finally, the cities must be rebuild and the garrisons brought to full strength. We should also build a large number of temples, to regain the favour of the Gods while we strive to regain our honour by recapturing the lost legionary eagle. Only with their favour shall we succeed and this dark cloud banished which now hangs over us.

I am pleased to hear of so many new and eager men who want to do their bit for Rome and I applaud you for it. Without your fervor our the Republic would crumble like the empires of the ancients within a generation.

I will second the following motions :
Motion 9.1 Retrieve the eagle and exterminate the Gauls in Gergovia.
Motion 9.5 Move out the garrisoned regular troops (few as the are) to strengthen our battered legions.
Motion 9.6 Raise a new legion (We will need several new legions).
Motion 9.7 A triumph for Tiberius Coruncanius !
Motion 9.8 Nothing shall stand in our way in our quest to regain our honour !
Motion 9.11 Augustus Verginius to Gaul !
Motion 9.13 I am willing to wait one season, just one mind you, to prevent a bridge battle against a massive army.
Motion 9.14 Raise three legions (We will need several new legions).
Motion 9.15 Who amongst us is not anxious to know what befell our legion on that disastrous day ?
Motion 9.16 Rather trivial, but I''ll second it.

I will NOT second the following motions :
Motion 9.2 I agree with this motion, but I will only see my son Marcellus assigned as a tribune when he has finished his studies.
Motion 9.3 Mars must be pacified and an example set to all barbarians.
Motion 9.4 The Gods will punish us if we delay our actions more than absolutely necessary.
Motion 9.9 The Gauls have an isolated province on their western coast. It would be strategically crazy to march trough the Iberian lands and capture it, let alone hold it. I am willing to leave them one small fishing village.
Motion 9.10 A good motion, but already proven unsound.
Motion 9.12 See Motion 9.9.

I wish once more to commemorate Marcus Laevinus, who died at the Relief of Scodra. Perhaps his death was the reason that Publius Laevinus's wits were deranged on the day of the defeat of the Legio III.

Finally, since no candidates have come forward as yet, I will stand myself for the office of first consul, but only with a co-consul. I ask my collegae Augustus Verginius if he will stand for office alongside me, as it is a burden I cannot carry myself for a full term. He and I both know the hardship of a full term.

OOC : I might be going on a short vacation at the end of August, and I need someone able to fill in if needed for a week or perhaps two. I will start the first half of the reign myself, and continue if needed, but otherwise the co-consul can take over. I am open to any other arrangements.

I believe this would be an excellent time to review the proper trial procedures. As you all know, it is required by law that an elected Praetor preside over any trial. It is then customary for a plaintiff to make a complaint to the Praetor. A large jury of patrician men is then chosen to rule on the case. Though we all know that it is the responsibility of the plaintiff to act in the role of the Prosecutor and the defendant to act in his own defense, it is customary to also allow a defense attorney to aid the defendant in his case.

Thus, I propose the following:

1) For convenience and expediency, the presiding Consul will choose a Senator to act as Praetor. The Praetor will be in charge of supervising the trial in whatever manner he sees fit.

2) A plaintiff must step forward to make a charge against the defendant. In this particular case, any Roman citizen should be a valid plaintiff since the honor of the entire Republic has been offended. In the interests of clarity though, it would be best if any prospective plaintiffs determined amongst themselves who would speak at the trial.

3) The defendant may select an attorney to aid him in the trial. Though it is traditional for the defendant to speak in his own defense, it is acceptable to delegate this duty to the attorney if the defendant would prefer. In this case, as it appears that Publius Laevinus will not be present for his own trial, an attorney must be charged with his defense.

4) At the trial, only the Praetor, the Plaintiff, the Defendant and the Defendant's Attorney will be allowed to speak. Once the Praetor determines that the trial is concluded, the jury will vote on the verdict. In this case, it is entirely appropriate for the entire sitting body of the Senate to vote on the matter at hand.

5) If found guilty, it is traditional to exile members of the Senatorial and Equestrian classes for a determined period of time. During their exile, their property is confiscated, they are banished from Rome and no Roman citizen may give them aid or shelter. In extreme cases, the death penalty can be imposed and is normally carried out by being buried, burned, or cast from a cliff. I believe it acceptable if the Praetor prescribe the punishment to be enforced if a guilty verdict is determined.

I believe all of this is in accordance with the laws and traditions of the Republic, as best as can be managed in our current... situation. In the eventuality that these procedures are followed and Publius Laevinus is brought to trial, I would like to volunteer to serve in his defense. Though I am as outraged as any man by what has transpired, it was the very establishment of a fair system of justice that has set the Republic apart from all other nations. As always, I seek to serve Rome above all others. In this situation, Rome is best served by a fair and honorable trial.

I will third Motion 9.14, most of Rome as it stands lies in threat of attack from all fronts, our standing legions being shadows of their original selves.

I would also like to propose Motion 9.16, to deal with public discontent in the Greek cities.

A number of cities there, specifically Elis, Larissa and Antigonea, are outspoken in their discontent with our rule, they must be shown that Roman ways can provide them with a much more favorable lifestyle than they had previously enjoyed. These people are within a breathe of rebellion, letting their situation go unchecked would only impassion them to revolt.

And, I must, for one last time, push the issue of Comata and Gergovia. The Gauls consider Comata their capital, and Gergovia holds the Roman Eagle...
I will urge the senate once more to take into consideration, even a watered down version of my plan...

Motion 9.10 Revised I suggest the march of the Cisalpine Gaul Auxilia, by a general deemed worthy by the senate, through the north Alpine Pass to take Comata. A reinforced Legio III and Cisalpine Gaul Auxilia would then converge on Gergovia. Legio III making use of ships to go around the Iberians if need be.

As my final comment, I must remind all that I could lead the army to and take Comata in two seasons time, if the senate permits. Waiting for another general could take too long, and we could lose the benefit of suprise.

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I too will second Motion 9.15. The cause of the disaster must be discovered, so that such a tragedy does not occur again.

Also, if the senate decides to approve motion 9.10 and does not deem me worthy of leading the auxilia, I would like to request a transfer to Rome to study at the scriptorium.

I am reminded that Augustus Verginius is not allowed to stand for office once more as officialy he should wait one more term. However, I ask leniency of this house in this matter. I ask all those who do not mind waiving this regulation in this specfic instance to speak out in his favour.
Alternatively, I am willing to work with another senator as co-consul.

OCC : Actually, the more I think about it, this co-consulship is a great idea. Perhaps we should change the regulations accordingly.

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I will second Motion 9.16 and the revised Motion 9.10.

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1) For convenience and expediency, the presiding Consul will choose a Senator to act as Praetor. The Praetor will be in charge of supervising the trial in whatever manner he sees fit.

3) The defendant may select an attorney to aid him in the trial. Though it is traditional for the defendant to speak in his own defense, it is acceptable to delegate this duty to the attorney if the defendant would prefer. In this case, as it appears that Publius Laevinus will not be present for his own trial, an attorney must be charged with his defense.

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I understand why one would like to let the presiding consul choose a senator as praetor, but in all the history of our republic our praetors have been elected. I propose we let the senate elect a praetor. It may also be wise not to let any direct family members of the acused act as praetor, as to ensure that no praetor could be...persuaded or tempted in any way...to alter his judgement.

Further more, it might be a good idea to assign/ vote in a praetor every consulship, who would then be responsible for all the justicial actions that might surface during that particular consulship.

I find it an honorable move to volunteer to act as Publius' defence attorney, but maybe you should let one of his family members act in his defence ? To minimilise the shame which their family has recently acquired. If not, then I deem Publius' defence to be in good hands as it is.

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OCC : Actually, the more I think about it, this co-consulship is a great idea. Perhaps we should change the regulations accordingly.

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It most certainly is, it would be especially useful to those who might not have a lot of time on their hands. And, didn't the Roman empire always employ two consuls, as to secure that no one man could rule the empire ? Of course, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...

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Senator Aemilius, I think a re-wording of your revised motion 9.10 is necessary, as it is too vague and too strict at the same time. You merely suggest the proposed action, so the First Consul is not obligated to follow it, even if passed. Also, if simply reworded to remove this, it would cause confusion and maybe even death, as there is a motion for the removal of Romans from all Auxilia garrisons to active Legions. This calls for nought but the Italian spearmen to deal with the foul hordes. I am not doubting in our Italian allies' courage, but if our largest Legion, lead by a talented commander, was destroyed by an advancing Gallic horde, I doubt that our allies will be able to capture a city from them.

I will not further reword the motion to take Comata and Gergovia, and I personally feel that the removal of our Roman men from the auxilia is not only unneccessary but irresponsible. Also, the horde you speak of is that of Drustan of Docetia, who our information does place to be encamped to the southwest of Gergovia until the end of this season. The entire campaign is a suggestion. It is my personal opinion that the conquest of Comata and Gergovia would be beneficial to the immediate return of the Eagle. But should the consul decide that the Cisalpine Gaul Auxilia could be better put to use in aiding against Thrace, I will not be the one responsible for the loss of Segestica, and possibly Aquilaia and Patavium, depending on how far the Thracians could push before a Roman army could be raised to push the Thracians back. This, senator, is why I will not reword the motion into a mandate. It must remain a suggestion.

Not only that, but my grandfather is leading Legio I in Segestica. Would you presume to make the immediate conquest of Comata and Gergovia a mandate and risk the possibility of having Senator Lucius Aemilius put to the Thracian falx? I do strongly support the campaign, as it was my suggestion. But I will not deny the consul of his own wisdom by making the campaign an immediate mandate. If the consul deems the Cisalpine Gaul Auxilia to be more useful in the relief of Segestica, then it must be so. But I have confidence in my grandfather's abilities. Reinforcements from Aquileia and Patavium should be enough to turn the Thracians long enough for a more substantial reinforcing force to arrive.

{Galerius Vatinius}

I second Motion 9.16 and propose Motion 9.17 that henceforth all of Rome's immediate duties be carried out by two co-consuls.

Terms have become longer and more tedious and we have enough cities to allow two Consuls. As our empire has grown, so has the need for more attention to specific areas. As we stand here now discussing what should be done with Gaul and the fool Publius, our colonies in Greece face civil revolt! The "gods" will not help you in this matter, it is up to us to save ourselves. I realize that I speak these words from the comfort of my residence in Syracuse, but I have been feeling quite poorly and Chrysippus, the genius that is my tutor and mentor has suggested I might find the climate here more to my benefit. Also, the Academy here is renowned and you can rest assured when I am ready, my duty to Rome will be fulfilled as best as possible. Why the plebs are already fond of me, as I often travel to Rome for the games and can also be seen attending events at the Odeon here in Syracuse. They absolutely love me!... Of course, don't ask that idiot savant that hangs around me or the musicians that I employ, they may give false accounts of my "anger" or "drinking" or what have you, hah!... Why? Have they said anything? Oh I'll... *grumbles angrily*

Ehem, yes, well. I must ask one favor of the senate, that upon graduation, I am not assigned as Tribune alongside my foolish father with Legio V in the fort to the north. I could not stand working alongside that man, no sense, no sense at all... always speaking of the gods, consulting soothsayers, checking the direction of the flight of birds, what foolishness! My talents would be wasted rotting away in that fort you see. But I'm sure that when the time comes, I will be able to show and put to use my talents and abilities for the greater good of Rome.

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I find it an honorable move to volunteer to act as Publius' defence attorney, but maybe you should let one of his family members act in his defence ? To minimilise the shame which their family has recently acquired. If not, then I deem Publius' defence to be in good hands as it is.

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I wish to point out that Senator Publius Laevinus had two natural born sons and two step-sons. One of his natural born sons and one of his step-sons are dead. Of the other two, Decius Laevinus is his surviving natural son, and I am his surviving step-son, being married to his eldest daughter, Fadia. If Decius wishes to represent his father, he should of course be given that duty since he is the direct blood heir of Publius Laevinus. However, if Decius Laevinus does not take up the duty, I am his next closest surviving kin.

Senators,

Much has been said since I last took the floor and the issue of a trail to judge the Senator Publius Laevinus grows stronger. To this end I put myself forward as a candidate for Praetor. I feel that I am best suited to understand both the accusations and the defences put as I have no vested interest if there should be a guilty verdict or an exoneration of the Senator.

(OOC: Will request a different Avatar if we have one available)

As to the current motions tabled I second Motion #9.16 as well in its raw form but see no instruction on how to perform this task. Perhaps it is not required and just an instruction from the Senate to the next Consul to ensure unrest is held in check will be sufficient. Hence, I support the Motion.

I feel I cannot support Motion #9.17. It is the Senate that controls our lands and not the Consul, whilst his tasks become more complex, I can only see problems should our Republic have two “princes”.

(OOC: I support it but can’t justify it IC. So, I’ll vote FOR the motion anyway and we’ll say I’ve been “bought off”)

Also, whilst it does not form a Motion to be tabled, I will ask….no….urge the next Consul to issue ex-Consul Tiberius Coruncanius with a Legion and support in a campaign to crush the Thracians. We cannot allow such a strong and obviously aggressive neighbour to go unchallenged.

A messenger is seen to dash into the Senate hall, panting and covered in glistening sweat. His tries, and fails, to clean his creased, muddy Fedex clothing. Just as he starts to collapse, he holds out a small, barely legible note:

I deeply apologise to my father Publius Laevinius and the Senate, but I must regretfully govern the city of Corinth, so I cannot be present for the trial. I would, however, like to request that my brother-in-law Augustus Verginius stand trial in place of my father. My best wishes to him.

Decius Laevinius

Edit: removed statement due to OOC info