Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded]

Looks like an attempt to frame the ones on Rythmic list. Or one of us is a mafia, tho I doubt anyone would be that stupid

I received a PM from HughTower pointing out post #253 by Caius Flaminius.

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

Stig, you are wrong.He is not mafioso.

If there is a only mafioso, why two deaths?

Can he reveal his PM, GH?

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As HughTower points out, this sounds like he's a player with a role who's assumed that all other players have received role PMs of some sort, which was the case in Capo, but not here. Now I would like an explanation from him, and I would be inclined to lynch him unless he comes up with a very convincing argument indeed.

On the flipside, I'm suspicious of HughTower for taking this to PM when he has been so active in the thread to date. My guess is HughTower, based on his activity, is scum. But it's worth focusing on Caius Flaminius just in case.

Vote: Caius Flaminius

I defended HughTower, because I relationated this

IF there are two mafiosos, there are two deaths.But HughTower is dead, and i believed HughTower is innocent.Why?If HughTower is a mafioso, then there will be one death.So, I said:I cant know if he is scum or not.But I was wrong.GH told me in this thread that its wrong.So, thats why I said that.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

I received a PM from HughTower pointing out post #253 by Caius Flaminius.


As HughTower points out, this sounds like he's a player with a role who's assumed that all other players have received role PMs of some sort, which was the case in Capo, but not here. Now I would like an explanation from him, and I would be inclined to lynch him unless he comes up with a very convincing argument indeed.

On the flipside, I'm suspicious of HughTower for taking this to PM when he has been so active in the thread to date. My guess is HughTower, based on his activity, is scum. But it's worth focusing on Caius Flaminius just in case.

Vote: Caius Flaminius

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Why not point that out in the thread Hugh? Why not do the same thing to him as you have been doing to me?:inquisitive:

Gah. Oh well. Don't really have time to analyse every post. Back to English work. And to "framing", depends when the kill PMs were sent.

@ Stig: Mostly through this.

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Originally Posted by Stig

Voting to create a draw is even worse

Vote: Sasaki

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A tie is helpful to the town, as Kommodus explained later. You also retaliated strongly to Sasaki's simple prodding.

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Originally Posted by Stig

If you make a tie, you will make sure a mafia isn't killed, how can that help the town? Answer that question

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It was far to convenient that you did not understand how the tie works out. It seemed like a poor attempt to hide any guilt you possessed. The "I don't understand the rules so I must be innocent" approach doesn't hit home for me , it just appears cheap and nasty. (Much the same as Pannonian vote for Prole who isn't even playing).

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Originally Posted by Kommodus

Stig is suspicious for attacking the practice of voting to produce a tie. It's usually done to allow for more discussion - how can that possibly harm the town?

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Ok I'll be an honourable quiet dead person now :bow:

Hey I only finished 1 proper mafia game, in which no draw was made

But Vote: Caius

Pannonian couldn't have said it better. Tho Caius might be the detective, tho I doubt that somehow.
And don't come with OMG BANDWAGON

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Originally Posted by Stig

Hey I only finished 1 proper mafia game, in which no draw was made

But Vote: Caius

Pannonian couldn't have said it better. Tho Caius might be the detective, tho I doubt that somehow.
And don't come with OMG BANDWAGON

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OMG BANDWAGON!!!!
Vote:Stig

So asking a question now makes you guilty seriously:dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

So asking a question now makes you guilty seriously

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Of course not, just makes one analyse why one asked the question.

Now don't disturb the dead Ichigo.

You Stig are so guilty, you jump in every bandwagon

Vote:Stig

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Originally Posted by Rythmic

Of course not, just makes one analyse why one asked the question.

Now don't disturb the dead Ichigo.

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I miss understood the post I misread the second question:sweatdrop: Why did you ask him to reveal his PM, CF? That leads me to believe you are one of three people. Either one of the mafioso's or the detective. Or you made a really big mistake and got confused.

Unvote:Stig
Vote:Abstain

Vote: Abstain
Convince me *Sits down in defiance*

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

You Stig are so guilty, you jump in every bandwagon

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Oh, which role do you have Caius, only 3 people have a pm, you are one of them. If you aren't mafia you'll be death tomorrow, killed for being the detective, if you are mafia you'll be alive after next night. Maybe we could allow you to survive for one more day, just to make sure.

And you bandwagoned as well


hypocrit :bounce:

Then withdraw your vote and so will I.

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

Then withdraw your vote and so will I.

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I have no reason to, you're suspicious, I can vote to lynch suspicious people

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

I received a PM from HughTower pointing out post #253 by Caius Flaminius.


As HughTower points out, this sounds like he's a player with a role who's assumed that all other players have received role PMs of some sort, which was the case in Capo, but not here. Now I would like an explanation from him, and I would be inclined to lynch him unless he comes up with a very convincing argument indeed.

On the flipside, I'm suspicious of HughTower for taking this to PM when he has been so active in the thread to date. My guess is HughTower, based on his activity, is scum. But it's worth focusing on Caius Flaminius just in case.

Vote: Caius Flaminius

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Vote:Pannonian

That was a really bad idea. Maybe Hugh pm'd to you because that post would give caius a good chance of being detective and it would be a bad idea to post it in the thread. You think hugh is scum but want to lynch caius? This is not like you.

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

You Stig are so guilty, you jump in every bandwagon

Vote:Stig

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lol, the irony.

Vote: Caius for overreacting to a vote against him.

Answer my question CF.

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Why did you ask him to reveal his PM, CF?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Vote:Pannonian

That was a really bad idea. Maybe Hugh pm'd to you because that post would give caius a good chance of being detective and it would be a bad idea to post it in the thread. You think hugh is scum but want to lynch caius? This is not like you.

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Because I had already raised some questions about Caius during the night, namely posting several times during a round without registering a vote, or even an abstain. HughTower's PM merely pushed me further in that direction - check out post #274 for yourself, which preceded the PM.

Why would I vote for Caius if I think HughTower is scum? Because I find both suspicious in different ways - if one is scum then the other is not, but I can't tell which is which. This isn't Capo, where it's possible to actively and accurately deduce scumminess through strategic play. I was merely voicing my opinions openly when I expressed my reservations about HughTower despite my accusation of Caius.

Also, your accusation is obviously wrong in and of itself. If I were mafia I wouldn't bother trying to lynch a suspected role, as mafiosi know each others' identities, and suspected detectives can always be quietly killed during the night. As the original claimed detective, you should be more aware of this gambit than anyone else.

@ Stig:

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Originally Posted by Stig

Looks like an attempt to frame the ones on Rythmic list. Or one of us is a mafia, tho I doubt anyone would be that stupid

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Or possibly.

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Originally Posted by Rythmic

At the moment I've got an 14 page word document with analysis of the majority of the posts in this game

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Make up your own mind.

[QUOTE=Pannonian]Because I had already raised some questions about Caius during the night, namely posting several times during a round without registering a vote, or even an abstain. HughTower's PM merely pushed me further in that direction - check out post #274 for yourself, which preceded the PM.[quote]

I don't see anything particularly scummy about that. I'm questioning the certainty you exhibited, day 2.

I don't know caius's playstyle very well, I think he is one of the under the radar players.

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Why would I vote for Caius if I think HughTower is scum? Because I find both suspicious in different ways - if one is scum then the other is not, but I can't tell which is which. This isn't Capo, where it's possible to actively and accurately deduce scumminess through strategic play. I was merely voicing my opinions openly when I expressed my reservations about HughTower despite my accusation of Caius.

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Makes sense.

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Also, your accusation is obviously wrong in and of itself. If I were mafia I wouldn't bother trying to lynch a suspected role, as mafiosi know each others' identities, and suspected detectives can always be quietly killed during the night. As the original claimed detective, you should be more aware of this gambit than anyone else.

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I don't think he's the detective. I think you might have thought that comment made him lynchable.

Vote:CF for avoiding my question.

Again, to clarify:

There will always be two kills, no matter how many mafiosi are alive.

Normal kill description will be up soon.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Answer my question CF.

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Just to be sure if he is mafia or the detective.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Vote:CF for avoiding my question.

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Oh, [edit insult], you voted for me, mafioso?Well, it is so easy to kill someone, you have won a cheap lynch.

I have a life.GMT -3.Im having dinner, you little [again insult]

vote: Sasaki
I still think he's dirty.

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Originally Posted by HughTower

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Originally Posted by Caius Flaminius

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Originally Posted by HughTower

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Originally Posted by Caius

Stig, you are wrong.He is not mafioso.

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Caius - thank you for your support.

You are right, but how do you know this?:inquisitive:

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Well, I think this:

1 mafioso=1 kill

but Im wrong, so We cant discharge you can be mafia

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Ah! I understand better now. Thank you.

I am not mafia, but I can't prove it.

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There you go

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Well you should make your posts correct then in the other one it says 219 not 209.

I refuse to answer your facist questions.

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You misunderstood. And, I shouldn't have to direct you to your own quotes. If you refuse to answer questions, I suggest you refrain from asking others. Such as these:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Answer my question CF

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and

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Why not point that out in the thread Hugh? Why not do the same thing to him as you have been doing to me?:inquisitive:

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Why not, indeed, Ichigo, why not?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Vote:Pannonian

That was a really bad idea. Maybe Hugh pm'd to you because that post would give caius a good chance of being detective and it would be a bad idea to post it in the thread. You think hugh is scum but want to lynch caius? This is not like you.

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I tried to keep this discreet for a number of reasons:

• I appear to be a divisive figure currently
• Pannonian has good reputation for fact-finding & point-proving (if a little sledgehammer-like on occasion)
• He has spoken in accusation of Caius
• Maybe he is a detective
• I wanted a second opinion
• If this is a significant lapse, then I would want to marshall lynch votes carefully to ensure that the thread discussion was not obfuscated by Mafia or bad townies

However, Sasaki, Pannonian's philosophy of getting everything out in the open is well documented in CdiT. However, I too wish he'd gone about it in a more considered way, but it appears to be in character.

This next point he makes is reasonable too:

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Also, your accusation is obviously wrong in and of itself. If I were mafia I wouldn't bother trying to lynch a suspected role, as mafiosi know each others' identities, and suspected detectives can always be quietly killed during the night. As the original claimed detective, you should be more aware of this gambit than anyone else.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Again, to clarify:

There will always be two kills, no matter how many mafiosi are alive.

Normal kill description will be up soon.

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How 'bout at zero mafiosi? :clown:

I suppose hugh is right about the in character thing.

Unvote:Pannonian, Vote:Xiahou

Why am I guilty again? Last time you said "were I a more punitive person I'd vote you" which indicates that you didn't think I was guilty. Now you say you do "just like you did".

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I suppose hugh is right about the in character thing.

Unvote:Pannonian, Vote:Xiahou

Why am I guilty again? Last time you said "were I a more punitive person I'd vote you" which indicates that you didn't think I was guilty. Now you say you do "just like you did".

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Correct, I didn't make a retaliatory vote against you- like you just did against me I might add. It wasn't until it dawned on me you were basing your attacks on utter nonsense that I realized you're up to no good. Calling a vote based on thread discussion isn't a bandwagon- that'd have to be clear even to you. When I point that out you make some sheepish argument about 'well only if it's a vote I disagree with'- that's more nonsense.

False accusations? Retaliation voting? I think you're scummy.