Out of character thread XIX

Best way to check it is with a diplomat.

Load a save, teleport a diplomat around checking their cash status and give them money while in the diplomacy screen. To update the value displayed, you can choose any offer/demand. If the display goes to "Well Off", you are at about the right level. Try not to go to boundless though, unless you have already upgraded to KOTRfix 1.3a (which everyone should have after the diet btw, as it was published during AG's term) lest you want the AI generals to end up with several bad traits.

Don't save, just note down the total florins given (note 40k max per transaction, normally you shouldn't need to give that much after I cleaned up debts during the start of AG's term) then repeat the process with every other nation.

At the end, load the initial save and give the noted down amounts and save.
You probably won't need to give the papacy anything. Also don't give anything to dead factions.

The saves frozen for the moment? Any ETA on unfreezing?

If it would help, I promise to kill any prisoners and not ask for a ransom. :laugh4:

Hi Ramses,

I was also not so comfortable with the console commands.

What I did was give the save to FH early in my term. He did his thing, as described in his post. I then set an alarm to ensure that at some point in each turn I gave 30 000florins to everyone and then a 30 000 and a 20 000 dump to the Byzantines.

This seemed to work quite well. Plus it was easy to do.

Took a look at the current save,

Those Teutons on the boat south of Adana should be 60 each rather than 45 if they've been fully reinforced. In fact, I can merge them to form one 60 unit and one 30 unit.

I don't know enough about technical issues to hazard a real diagnosis, but I'd guess a mod might be interefering. I know LTC and some others reduced cav size relative to infantry.

Have infantry units been suffering the same wonky behavior?

I'm home and taking a look at things right now. All I have installed is Broken Crescent, but I didn't notice it messing with my vanilla campaigns otherwise.

Things seem a bit of a mess, but I'll get it sorted and have a fresh save soon.

Odds of me teleporting around a diplomat seem very poor.

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Okay, I have no idea what I'm looking for to fix this training problem. I just confirmed that it does not happen in Broken Crescent or in Vanilla 1.3, but only when I use the KotR .exe. What's the file name of the 'unit file' I need to look for in the data folder, and what about it needs to be changed?

I'm very curious as to what could have caused this? I installed Broken Crescent some time ago and have not had any trouble with it relating to the KotR save. Once upon a time I had LTC 3.1 installed, but that was before I got started on KotR I believe.

I'm sorry Overknight, but for now the save needs to stay frozen. It may be tomorrow before we get this all sorted out.

The technical aspects of being Chancellor were one of the reasons I didn't want to run at first, and I probably should've listened to my head. :no: :oops:

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Check if you got export_descr_unit in the same folder as the fixes. If so, get rid of it. Its not part of the fixes. Indeed, get rid of ANYTHING inside your data folder that is not from the KOTRfix archive (i.e. delete all contents except folders and then copy in the KOTRfix files)

Okay, as stage one I'm emptying the data folder and reinstalling Kotrfix.

I'll report results soon. :)

edit: KOTRfix13a is the current version, correct?

:egypt:

Yep.

I'd be interested to know if the autoresolves still would have been victories without your unit mod.
Btw, if you have any newly trained cavalry that is below normal size, you can recreate them via console into the stack.

For instance:
create_unit "Staufen" "Imperial Knights" 1 1 1 1

Would give 1 unit Imperial Knights at Staufen with 1 xp 1 weapon 1 armor (might have been armor first, then weapon)
You can also create it onto characters, so replace Staufen with Fritz von Kastilien.

If you can't create it onto a certain captain because several have the same name, create it somewhere nearby and then move it over manually and use character_reset.

Interesting question. Since we'd only had one battle (Rheims) I simply went back to the previous turn and did everything the same again. Frankfurt's autocalc for 1364 was still a victory, though with slightly more casualties. We ended up with about 2k more florins, somehow, and I lost three more men at Rheims than Tristan did, but they'll be back next season so I didn't worry about it.

I also used the command to top off the AI, but I didn't try to warp a diplomat around. I just gave those factions which appeared to be bottomed out on the faction scroll 3x more florins than those which had money showing.

The sole significant difference that I can see is the Venetians didn't rebel at Durazzo. I'll edit that out of my report, and unless there are objections we'll move forward with this as the save:

http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/kotr1364a.zip

I would like to ask FH or Econ (Or anyone else who feels qualified) to take a look at things and make sure they're correct.

I'm curious as to where the extra files came from? As I was deleting things I did notice that some of them appeared to be left over from LTC, but if so they've been there for months.

:egypt:

I loaded the 1360-6 save to test those two battles, and though Madgeburg was still a victory (Dieter took 190 casualties, which might be slightly more than in the original auto-calc) the battle at Frankfurt was a crushing defeat, including a 1700 florin ransom bill. As expected the city didn't fall, but the siege would have continued. :thumbsdown: :no:

Is this the point where I get to suggest my own impeachment? I'm afraid I don't have the technical skills to be a good Chancellor. It's appropriate for Fritz, but not so much for his player. :embarassed:

edit: BTW the save is not unfrozen until someone more skilled than I signs off on things, especially the AI money additions. There is no feedback for success in the console so I have no idea if they worked or just popped off into the ether.

:egypt:

If the save is unfrozen by tomorrow afternoon/evening I can fight my battle then.

Well, I've been going through my MTWII folder, and other than two seemingly inconsequential LTC files (landstoconquer.cfg and one other) all that I found were the files from the Wolfgang Hummel battle at Staufen. I installed those at that time, tried out that fight, and never thought about them again. Is it possible that they were the source of the problem?

I note I have a 'system.log.txt' which may have more information, but I don't know how to interpret it. I can email any of these to someone who can tell me what would help them diagnose as well. I could do a reinstall too, but it'd have to wait until tomorrow night I think.

:egypt:

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Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

I'm curious as to where the extra files came from? As I was deleting things I did notice that some of them appeared to be left over from LTC, but if so they've been there for months.

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No worries, at least we did find the problem and you managed to fix it.
That should also be a warning to everyone else who has other mods running concurrently.... the safest way is a modfolder I suppose, and if there is demand, I can upload a modfolder version of KOTRfix.

I'll check the save now.

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Save is fine. You may have overdone the santa role a bit as pretty much everyone was on Boundless. Looks like the French were in debt though, so they still had low levels of funds. Fixed that by giving them 25000.

Unit sizes seem fine on a quick scan. Nothing jumped out at me.

New save: http://www.mizus.com/files/pbm/kotr1364b.zip

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Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

Well, I've been going through my MTWII folder, and other than two seemingly inconsequential LTC files (landstoconquer.cfg and one other) all that I found were the files from the Wolfgang Hummel battle at Staufen. I installed those at that time, tried out that fight, and never thought about them again. Is it possible that they were the source of the problem?

I note I have a 'system.log.txt' which may have more information, but I don't know how to interpret it. I can email any of these to someone who can tell me what would help them diagnose as well. I could do a reinstall too, but it'd have to wait until tomorrow night I think.

:egypt:

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system.log.txt is quite useless imo.

The files in your root m2tw folder are harmless, although its still good practice to get rid of them. The problem was anything inside your (m2tw main) data folder (and in its subfolders), as those all get activated when using the io switch.

I am interested in Ramses II issue. What was the actual problem that caused the corruption to his game? Just when you think things are fine something like that happens and wonder how and why. Was the source trying out the other saves he had mentioned.
I really found that Med Manager helpful for playing multiple mods on your system.
I can see how the extra responsibilities of being Chancellor intimidating.

I'm available to fight once econ21 has the save back. I just need some coffee.

I'm glad the tech issues were sorted out, big thumbs up to FH! :2thumbsup:

I'm just glad we caught the issue before we went too far in.

No need for impeachment Ramses, I don't think we want Vice-Chancellor Gerald Ford in charge.

Sorry for the double post, but my battle report is up, guess which movie I cribbed a line from in this one.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=253

Perhaps Patton was actually Matthias Steffen reincarnated, instead of Hannibal.

Good show, TC. In my next battle report, I will be working in lines from "Point Break".

On another note, I am amazed at Tristan's grand raid through France. Two cities taken with just his bodyguard. :dizzy2: Now that's vengeance.

If only the AI could properly garrison a city. Taking into account all the troops and money we've been giving them, it would be the least they could do.

That's one of my favorite changes in Broken Crescent. I have never captured a city that had only a single unit garrison. In fact, the very turn you go to war the AI trains spies and assassins in cities behind the front lines, often kicking out or killing your own spies. It's quite entertaining.

Not that there aren't still flaws. My next target, being reluctant to risk his alliance with my vassals, ignored my armies moving into his territory, and I was able to make a lightning strike against five of his cities and castles. But he was hiring men in them, so they had substantial garrisons at least!

Of course my former vassal is also heavily under siege, but I'm in the endgame so it doesn't matter if my reputation is deceitful.

:egypt:

Then there are those cities with garrison scripts, a pretty scary thing when you're the dirt poor Makurians first going after the Ayyubians. :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

On another note, I am amazed at Tristan's grand raid through France. Two cities taken with just his bodyguard. :dizzy2: Now that's vengeance.

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Anybody could have done it but I thought that for RP reasons I would jump the gun ...

Of course the AI helped a lot ... "I love the French fools" :laugh4:...

Now on to somemore mischief, if possible...

[EDIT] Just to let you know that I won't be able to come back online before Sunday around 5 PM GMT+1

Ramses, should if any of the large armies around Hugo engage him, please withdraw... He'll fight another day...

Ramses,

Do we have a save to take a look at or are you getting the start of 1366 sorted out?

Yes, the save is up in the O&R thread now. Sorry, I was trying to do all that and figure out a pair of birthday parties we're supposed to attend today for my daughter.

...and then the most interesting story pops up in that thread too. :juggle2:

edit: Oh, and to cover your other question, I think the Hungarins are under the control of the AI, and act like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off. I suspect if I hadn't moved to hire mercs at Vienna that they wouldn't have even made a move there. Zagreb is effectively unguarded. I can't predict how long the Venetians will hang out at Durazzo though, so I'd start back south soon-ish.

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Good read TC, keep it coming.

FH.

Should we have all moved to 13a of the fix?

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I'm going to take the save Sunday, slap Zagreb back into the Reich and then hopefully pound one of those Hungarian stacks.

FH, I've moved to 13a so never mind my question.

My full battle report is up.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=256

If Matthias seems a bit cold-hearted in this one, he got the Merciless Mauler trait from the battle.

So it's Matthias the Mighty, Merciless Mauler.

Try saying that three times fast. :laugh4:

Matthias, Mi, MMmm MMmm,mmm

Matthias, the Mimm M mmmimm MMm

Crap!! :clown:

Hehe I love that outburst in the diet AG!

Sadly one cannot control which epithet one gets except by one's actions. I was thinking of reducing the number of epithets there are to make names change less frequently. That would also result in more characters never getting any epithet though, so I didn't.

I figure Mauler or Merciless fits Arnold best. Infantryman sounds rather cheeky. When I did 1.3a, I was thinking what I could replace Infantryman with. Never got around to doing it though, it is still its vanilla form: Infantryman. Actually sounds like you are one of the lowly individuals rather than the commander though. If you got a suggestion, I might incorporate it.