Trapped in Taormina [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

I am tempted to put peeveerkev on my ignore list.

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Oh my god, are we in junior high?

When you lie... people stop believing what you say.

You claim that you can investigate but your not the detective.

You write the claims out instead of copy/pasting.

You hint your yakuza but shout out warnings to the town.

You make up stories about PM's and accomplices.

Your mad that your little bandwagon on Husar did not develop so now your turning your sights on me.

*edit*

OOC: I took out some of the more "heated" comments. I realize those could have been taken OOC and I do not wish for that to happen. Everything said in this thread is IC and I hope no one takes any of this personally. :bow:

Day 4 - Conclusion

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Porta Messina - Taormina - 11.45 p.m.

The good people of Taormina were getting really upset and the screams for blood grew louder and louder.

The towns' inquisition started a witchhunt and it seemed like axel, the silent, shy guy in the corner was spending the last few hours of his live.

The poor chap finally started to talk. He seemed like a regular, nice guy and people started to change their minds. After long deliberation, the inhabitants of Taormina presented Pino two suspects: Haudegen and Sarathos.

Pino stared at the two men brought to him. As he kept staring without saying a word, the crowd went silent.

The world consisted of Pino, the two suspects and the little silver coin in Pino's hand.

The coin was flipped. He looked at the coin, took his gun and pointed it at the suspects.

The crowd seemed to hold its' breath. All eyes were on Pino's sun reflecting gun.

BANG!

Haudegen screamed in panic, while Sarathos fell on his knees, an amazed look in his eyes while he watched the hole in his chest.

BANG!

The bullet between Sarathos' eyes made an end at his life. Pino holstered his gun and left the scene, shaking his head.

The people of Taormina went back to their hotelrooms, hoping for a peacefull night.

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Tally:

sarathos: 4 :skull: (Mithrandir, Sasaki Kojiro, pevergreen, Elite Ferret)

Haudegen: 4 (TinCow, Proletariat, Northnovas, Privateerkev)

axel: 2 (LittleGrizzly, Husar)

LittleGrizzly: 1 (Rythmic)
pevergreen: 1 (woad&fangs)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Omanes Alexandrapolites)
Husar: 1 (axel)

Abstain: 1 (Gaius Scribonius Curio)

Not voting : 7 (Tiberius of the Drake, Caius, Sarathos, Haudegen, Makanyane, Bananabob, Tratorix)

Alive (21)

Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Caius
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
Elite Ferret
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat

Killed (8)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan
Glenn
Crazed Rabbit
Ichigo
Kukrikhan
AntiWarmanCake

Lynched (4)
shlin28
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sarathos

WoG'ed (2)
Zorg
TwilightBlade

Suicide (3)

Hiji
Beefy187
Yaropolk

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It's now Night. PM's please.

OOC: This will be an extended night phase. Soccer game on Saturday + Belgian cup final Sunday afternoon/evening. It'll be a week-end drenched in alcohol for me :grin: I hope to be sober on Sunday evening +/- 22.00 (GMT +2) ~:cheers:

IC: Good night all :evil:

Please stop making this kinda personal, both of you. Sigurd is a very good and convincing liar in the game and a gentleman outside the game and privateerkev has made a pretty good impression on me so far so please get along and fight about gaming terms, not ignore lists, junior high etc, thanks. :smash:

Seems like the axel thing could've been prevented had someone bothered to look at his profile earlier(I'm including myself, I don't even know who Taketsi is to be honest :sweatdrop: ), too late to change my vote I guess and the tie looks okay to me.

edit: Noted the disclaimer PK and I see Andres also posted meanwhile.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Please stop making this kinda personal, both of you. Sigurd is a very good and convincing liar and a gentleman outside the game and privateerkev has made a pretty good impression on me so far so please get along and fight about gaming terms, not ignore lists, junior high etc, thanks. :smash:

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:bow:

OOC: I would be more than happy to share a beer with Sigurd when this game is over. (I prefer Guinness)

:medievalcheers:

I don't think Sigurd was serious about that ignore list. It's just how he plays the game: a bit rough sometimes.

If Anderlecht wins the cup on Sunday, make sure to have one on me. I'll have several on you guys ~:cheers:

I'm so not looking forward to Monday morning :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Oh my god, are we in junior high?

When you lie... people stop believing what you say.

You claim that you can investigate but your not the detective.

You write the claims out instead of copy/pasting.

You hint your yakuza but shout out warnings to the town.

You make up stories about PM's and accomplices.

Your mad that your little bandwagon on Husar did not develop so now your turning your sights on me.

*edit*

OOC: I took out some of the more "heated" comments. I realize those could have been taken OOC and I do not wish for that to happen. Everything said in this thread is IC and I hope no one takes any of this personally. :bow:

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OOC:
Hehe...
Those that have played with me before knows any heated discussion or wild accusation and rightout emnity is all IC. When the game ends we slap eachothers shoulders and thanks for a great match.


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Well at least Sasaki acknowledges having pm'ed me. Now it is just for you to do the same. I can't see what you gain from denying this. You were out of bed, but it did not state how long like it did in Husar's case. What are you afraid this knowledge will mean gamewise?

I have never alluded, hinted or mentioned that I have anyting to do with the Yakuza (strawman). Show me the post.
I had a night action, that much Andres confirmed. Yet you volunteer only two choices for me; the detective or Taketsi. Yet you acknowledges the presence of other roles besides those that are known. Why is it so difficult to even imagine a townie role that watched people at night?
I am not mad about not getting Husar lynched... that is another strawman. I got mad because he flippantly voted me like he normally do and that it was such a bad timing. I have done this to him before in other games and we are quite the buddies OOC.
My three results are accurate and both Husar and pevergreen knows this. All though Husar did a feeble attempt at denying it. A bit late... He knows that he should play it cool under such pressure and seem uninterested in his own survival to fend off the rabid townies.

so the shy guy will go to his corner and enjoy his Pizza and beer ~:cheers:
ill try to keep up with voting

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Well at least Sasaki acknowledges having pm'ed me. Now it is just for you to do the same. I can't see what you gain from denying this. You were out of bed, but it did not state how long like it did in Husar's case. What are you afraid this knowledge will mean gamewise?

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I refuse to agree to things that aren't true. It doesn't matter how many times you post about it. Your wasting your time.

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I have never alluded, hinted or mentioned that I have anyting to do with the Yakuza (strawman). Show me the post.
I had a night action, that much Andres confirmed. Yet you volunteer only two choices for me; the detective or Taketsi. Yet you acknowledges the presence of other roles besides those that are known. Why is it so difficult to even imagine a townie role that watched people at night?
I am not mad about not getting Husar lynched... that is another strawman. I got mad because he flippantly voted me like he normally do and that it was such a bad timing. I have done this to him before in other games and we are quite the buddies OOC.
My three results are accurate and both Husar and pevergreen knows this. All though Husar did a feeble attempt at denying it. A bit late... He knows that he should play it cool under such pressure and seem uninterested in his own survival to fend off the rabid townies.

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I doubt your the detective. And I know your not Juliette. So that just leaves Taketsi. It's a hunch. As for suspecting about secret roles, that is another hunch. I read Netherworld and it was in there. I just have a hard time believing that Andres would put up all the roles in the 1st post. He is a crafty guy. Now if you and others wish to look farther into this, your more than welcome to.

If your Taketsi, that then means you are not pro-town. And everything you say must be taken with 35 tons of salt.

Does that explain it or do you want to ask the exact same questions again?

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Had to fix the quotes. :D

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I just have a hard time believing that Andres would put up all the roles in the 1st post.

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Well then, at least you admit this much.

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Does that explain it or do you want to ask the exact same questions again?

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Whatever it takes to get the ears of the townies my friend. Memory works best when things are repeated.

OOC: Hus.. why are you not in the chat?

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Whatever it takes to get the ears of the townies my friend.

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And I am sure the town will sleep soundly knowing that Sigurd the yakuza ghost is watching out for them. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Andres

If Anderlecht wins the cup on Sunday, make sure to have one on me. I'll have several on you guys ~:cheers:

I'm so not looking forward to Monday morning :sweatdrop:

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If it's okay I started a couple hours ago it is the Friday of a long weekend here. I am not sure about the wekend weather but the suds are definitely flowing.

So if it is soccer and Anderlecht or hockey and the Red Wings I will have a few for you and everyone else Taormina all weekend. ~:cheers:

Alcohol the solution.... and cause to all our problems. Homer Simpson.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

OOC: Hus.. why are you not in the chat?

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I was running out of reasons to go there and took the logical consequence, or in other words: just because. :shrug:

I still have no idea how you got an out of bed result on me because I cannot perform any night actions, and just because you're not yakuza doesn't mean you're pro-town either, you could be the crazy detective whose goal is to get wrong results on people and lynch them based on that, while we're at the topic of thinking up roles. :dizzy2:
I actually think you found a convenient way to get me lynched, if you wanted to hear more from me in round 1 already, why was all you did vote for me? Despite what you said earlier one vote will hardly make me talk more.

Besides, using WLAN as an excuse for not posting your PM sounds pretty fishy to me, if your WLAN really slows down your internet that it takes two minutes to load a page I wonder how you can chat in the chat. :inquisitive:

Concerning my reactions because you all talk about them, some people here know I will always have strong reactions opposing Sigurd in a mafia game because he is a very good player and superb bender of truth(liar) and it never seems hard for him to get people on his side which is why I'm never satisfied shooting blanks at him and get out the big guns right away. :sweatdrop:

Chat doesnt take time to load posts.

Im on Wireless as well (most of the time)

It will take 4-5 minutes to load a full page of normal posts, 1-2 minutes to open pm box, 2 minutes to have the pm load.

(takes 4-5 minutes as im 80 posts per page)

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Chat doesnt take time to load posts.

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Just because you never had lag in the chat doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Im on Wireless as well (most of the time)

It will take 4-5 minutes to load a full page of normal posts, 1-2 minutes to open pm box, 2 minutes to have the pm load.

(takes 4-5 minutes as im 80 posts per page)

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I also use WLAN to browse sometimes and it isn't slow, not if you get more than one or two of those bars in Windows anyway in which case you're either too far away from the router or have a bad WLAN adapter. I know there was a lso the game etc but he didn't even attempt to post a PM before Andres(could've made a second post) and now he wonders why noone believes him. It's not unlikely that he was just lacking time to forge a believable role PM.

He gambled by making up results for people he didnt know anything about then.

He got it right.

Explain that?

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

He got it right.

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Who said he got anything right apart from you and him? :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Chat doesnt take time to load posts.

Im on Wireless as well (most of the time)

It will take 4-5 minutes to load a full page of normal posts, 1-2 minutes to open pm box, 2 minutes to have the pm load.

(takes 4-5 minutes as im 80 posts per page)

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Are you serious on the load speeds!? Dial up on a phone modem here would be faster then your wireless; in fact a handheld can load the forum pages under 20 seconds.
In most cases depending on provider high speed LAN or wireless in North America are the same and the download is in seconds. I thought the wireless, WIFI were the same globally for speed.

Anyone surfing on the above speeds truly have the patience of Job and dedication to the game. :bow:

Alright... let’s put this point of the discussion behind us once and for all.

I was watching a game on the telly. It was the quarterfinal in the world championship of ice hockey between Norway and Canada.
While watching, I pulled up my laptop and connected to my wireless. Husar you of all should remember that when I am on a wireless, I always drop out several times when I am in the chat. My internet connection is fairly fast, but once I am connected wireless it is not stable as I can get disconnected several times during a few minutes. Sometimes it will be as fast as when using a cable, but often it will halt to a crawl and refreshing a page can take minutes. It could be that these problems stems from the fact that I have frozen a single IP as the connection for the D-Link router. The D-Link router is connected to my DMZ from the time I used to download huge files. I should change it back to DHCP, but I don't use it that often anymore.

I know this is hard for you computer nerds to understand (OOC: :beam: ), but when your mind is in a hockey game, emotion seethes.
You remember something about a mafia game and a magic time at around 22:00 hours. Damn, the game is not finished yet. Ah well, I 'll just flip open the laptop to place a vote. But lo and behold, you are just about getting lynched and you have not a clue why. You back trail some post to see what is up. The damn page wont load the page and you get the message of broken connection.
Oh wait the game … Damn Canadians just put our forward through their goal, what is going on? Yeah get in there and bash some heads, stupid!! Hahaha the Canucks get three on the penalty bench. Come on guys!!! ... What? Husar seems to have started this bandwagon. Oh, the nerve of that guy ... Come on Norway, you are in power play; put that puck behind that fat goalie.
Ah, yes Husar… I’ll just put my first investigation in there with my post. Hehe ...
How stupid can one be; getting a penalty when in power-play? Take it easy guys. The Canucks are not unbeatable. Damn one fast goal against us. The spirit is breaking up. What time is it? Damn it is past ten ... Hmm, Sasaki mentions something about the investigation thing. Ah well, I guess I am dead, why not? Crap, the page is not loading. Come on, get going!! There, finally an edit box. Now, what to write? I’ll just ... What?!! Another goal against us? What is happening to the Norwegians? Damn guys, pull yourself together, you got more stamina than this ... Ah yes, the investigations. I’ll just paraphrase.
There that’ll do. Back to the hockey game … Hmm a pm. Sasaki is asking me to remove my last investigation? Alright, maybe my result is revealing a pro-town role. Ah damn, come on you stupid page; load, load. There, changed. All is happy ... Oh no, the team is breaking apart *jumps out of couch* COME ON!!!! WORK!!, WORK!! Damn, to many goals for the Canucks, the game is lost and Andres just put a bullet through the head of my character. Oh, another pm.. hmm, Privateerkev thank me for removing his name. A pm with a subject of IC and signed Kevin. I guess I stumbled into something there.

This is a true story and should explain in detail why it went down the way it went down.
No need to discuss the finer details, when in an emotional uproar, common sense is not working properly.

Hi all

the discussion is that a part of the game or when do you vote? when do you suspect sommeone?
wots the CHAT ?
please help a bit:dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Alright... let’s put this point of the discussion behind us once and for all.

I was watching a game on the telly. It was the quarterfinal in the world championship of ice hockey between Norway and Canada.

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Okay I can see where this going. :holmes:

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I know this is hard for you computer nerds to understand (OOC: :beam: ), but when your mind is in a hockey game, emotion seethes.

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Testify brother! I am listening! I will be in the same state Sunday afternoon.

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How stupid can one be; getting a penalty when in power-play? Take it easy guys. The Canucks are not unbeatable.

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Well this could be construed as a false statement. :laugh4:

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This is a true story and should explain in detail why it went down the way it went down.

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It's the World Hockey Championship I can see this happening to any hockey fan. :laugh4:

Axel there is a chat room in the Org it is up on top of the threads beside the USER CP and Favorites. members will sometimes go in there and converse.

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Originally Posted by Curio

Before I go, Vote:Abstain

Events are moving too quickly currently for me, in good conscience, to vote for someone, who knowing my luck will then get lynched because of me.

However, FOS: Husar, Little Grizzly, and Haudegan

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Originally Posted by Andres

Tally:

sarathos: 4 :skull: (Mithrandir, Sasaki Kojiro, pevergreen, Elite Ferret)

Haudegen: 4 (TinCow, Proletariat, Northnovas, Privateerkev)

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:laugh4: Looks like I was right...

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Oh, another pm.. hmm, Privateerkev thank me for removing his name. A pm with a subject of IC and signed Kevin. I guess I stumbled into something there.

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At least one lie buried in a very good story.

My PM to Ichigo is on the thread around here. Everyone knows I sign my PM's as "Kevin".


I am quite convinced Sigurd is mafia. But I am puzzled as to how there could be more yakuza kills out there. I have two guesses.

a.) There were 2 yakuza at the beginning of the game. or,

b.) Sigurd was able to recruit a yakuza before he got lynched.

I know people are skeptical of the whole recruiting thing but it was done in Capo 2, and done in a slightly different way in Netherworld. I do not believe it is beyond the realm of possibility. But like many of my ideas, I am pulling this one out of a particular orifice of mine. It's just a guess. :shrug:

I've said this before but it bares repeating. If Sigurd's post about me and Husar was false, perhaps his post about Pevergreen was false as well. I suggest giving Pevergreen more scrutiny. He should not get a pass all because Sigurd says he is innocent.

I also find it curious that Sigurd is posting far more now that he is dead, than when he was alive. I guess he was laying low as yakuza but now is trying to cover for his buddy. (pevergreen perhaps?)

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

I know people are skeptical of the whole recruiting thing but it was done in Capo 2, and done in a slightly different way in Netherworld. I do not believe it is beyond the realm of possibility. But like many of my ideas, I am pulling this one out of a particular orifice of mine. It's just a guess. :shrug:

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It bears mentioning that the description given for Manfredo implies that he can join the town or the mafia. Anyone with access to this role PM would probably have information on "recruiting." He also did not kill on night 3 and thus would have been found innocent, and was probably out of his room investigating on Night 3 to make sure that Ichigo was Juliette. Would the great similarities between this role and the allegations made against you be entirely coincidental?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

It bears mentioning that the description given for Manfredo implies that he can join the town or the mafia. Anyone with access to this role PM would probably have information on "recruiting." He also did not kill on night 3 and thus would have been found innocent, and was probably out of his room investigating on Night 3 to make sure that Ichigo was Juliette. Would the great similarities between this role and the allegations made against you be entirely coincidental?

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Reading up on prior mafia games have given me ideas. Some things have puzzled me about this game so I've wondered if my ideas have merit. I share my ideas with the thread so others can benefit from my analysis and give their ideas. So, therefore, yes it is merely a coincidence. I would dare say it is an "entire coincidence."

I understand that your "deep reading" of my posts is to help the town and I don't blame you. But you are simply barking up the wrong tree on this one. I don't expect you to believe that but I'll say it anyways so you can't say I didn't warn you. :D

Night 5 - Conclusion

OOC: Anderlecht won the cup, so please, if soemthing isn't clear from the write-upe, I'll correct it when I'm sober.

Here weg oo...

~:cheers:

Woohooe!!

Husar left his room.

While he walked through the corridor, he was hit by a hard kick on his knees.

Husar fell down. Another kick hit him on the head.

Almost unconscious, he tried to look up.

A well placed kick chopped of Husar's right arm. Before Husar could scream, another kick chopped of his left arm.

"Guess you're defeated," his attacker said.

"No! I'm not," Husar screamed. Somehow, he got up to his feet and he started to yell at his attacker.

"Come over here, you coward! Are you afraid of an armless man! Gah! Attack me! Come on!"

Two well placed kicks chopped of Husar's legs. Husar kept taunting his attacker until he bleeded to dead.

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Rythmic didn't go to his room that night. Instead he went to the local church, to pray.

While he was saying his prayers, a man entered the church.

"Are you also here to pray, Mister?", Rythmic politely said to the man.

The answer of the man consisted of three bullets in Rythmic's stomach.

Rythmic bleeded to dead, his attacker slowly left the scene.

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pevergreen was walking down one the many narrow streets of Taormina.

"Wait!", a man said.

"Huh? Who are you?", pevergreen asked.

"Just wait! Don't move! I'm an evil mafioso!" the man said, looking a bit nervous.

pevergreen looked at the pale looking man's face. "You, a mafioso? You can barely stop trembling! HAHAHAHAHA!"

"Don't you mock me! I'm a mafioso! I'm professional! I have a gun."

"Sure you have", pevergreen said. He turned his back, shaking his head and laughing. What a silly guy that was.

However, the man indeed had a gun. His hands were trembling while he fired three shots. One shot accidentally hit pevergreen in the leg.

"Hurray!" the man yelled. He moved closer to pever, pointed the gun at his head an fired a few more bullets.

pevergreen died instantly.

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Haudegen was drunk that night. Because of the killings he was the only one left in his hotel. While he was having his 10th amaretto, a man entered the bar.

The cat 'o nine talis hit him very hard. He dropped his glass and fell on his knees. The man grabbed Haudegen and tied him up. He stripped off Haudegen's shirt.

The cat 'o nine tails hit Haudegen over and over again. After an hour, Haudegen body consisted of some bloody pulp. Allthough he was already dead, the man kept whipping him over and over again.

Finally satisfied, he took the latest Beirut&Decker chainsaw. The man grinned.

Later that day, people found Haudegen's head on a spear, near Ichigo's fresh grave...

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Day 5.

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Porta Messina - Taormina - 7.30 a.m.

The people of Taormina gathered near the Porta Messina. They saw Pino's body in a pool of blood.

Without a real leader, they didn't know what to do. They figured they should continue to do what they always did so far.

And so they started to vote. Again...

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Alive (17)

Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Caius
Gaius Sribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
TinCow
Elite Ferret
Northnovas
LittleGrizzly
Mithrandir
axel
Makanyane
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat

Killed (12)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan
Glenn
Crazed Rabbit
Ichigo
Kukrikhan
AntiWarmanCake
pevergreen
Rythmic
Husar
Haudegen


Lynched (4)
shlin28
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sarathos

WoG'ed (2)
Zorg
TwilightBlade

Suicide (3)

Hiji
Beefy187
Yaropolk

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It's day. Start voting.

Well crap...

Seems that the detective is dead, there was no mention of the prostitute, and pever is now dead.

Ok, I am well and truly clueless as to what is going on and I need to be AFK for the rest of the evening.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Seems that the detective is dead

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Since you apparently knew the identity of the detective, mind telling the rest of us who it was?

I find my writeup a bit weird, Andres. :inquisitive:

Also I would like to note that I am actually a bit suspicious of Privateerkev, let's just say I only tried to discredit Sigurd to save my life which obviously(and expectedly) didn't really work for long now that I got so much attention. :shrug:

Ah well, like I said, the town is in pretty bad shape, looks like we have 13 townies and at least 4 killers.

It also seems obvious that the mafia, at least one group of them(if they're not working together already...) is killing all our suspects trying to leave us clueless.
And that lads, is why we have to looks at the innocent guys, those who are most "helpful" to the town and lynch them. Since I'm dead I guess I should not include myself in that list. :sweatdrop:

Well, I already mentioned Privateerkev, then there is TinCow and Sasaki, Northnovas is highly suspect as well IMO, very much under the radar this game and also helped me discredit Sigurd which is very scummy in 2 ways (1. people who side with me are often scum says my experience; 2. like I already said I tried to discredit Sigurd not because I believed he was necessarily wrong but to avoid the consequences of going into the opposite direction).

I'm now starting to have doubts about Proletariat again because what I previously saw as a reason to think of her as innocent is not necessarily valid anymore and she also sided with me against Sigurd.

My thoughts about Makanyane equal a void, maybe more analysis is required here.

Concerning the identity of the detective, wasn't Pino the detective? The writeup says he lay in his own blood so that would mean he is dead, wouldn't it?

Ah yes, there is also Gaius Scribonius Curio who from what I heard and feel should be a prime candidate for the gallows as well, I could envision him as a team with Northnovas but it could also be my fantasy going wild. ~D

Well, these are my thoughts, mainly based on intuition etc. because in previous games my intuition was usually way better than my "evidence"...

Vote: Sasaki

Ugh, I am completely confused.:dizzy2:

edit: I'm in agreement with Husar. I could easily see Sasaki and PK leading the town around by the butthairs. I was also suspicious of Curio at one point. I'll have to recheck why and see if that reasoning still stands.

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Originally Posted by Husar

I find my writeup a bit weird, Andres.

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Hee-hee. He made you The Black Knight..

I've kept up with the thread, even though I'm dead, just to see what happens. Total observation: no clue. Victims seem picked at random. At this rate of killing and lynching, game should be over in 3 days.

Then we get the summary, and find out what was what (and who was whom).

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pever's killer sounds like a "new" hitman, a Nervous Nelly, a murderer who has hidden in the background until now. Maybe axel, whose behavior in-thread mirrors that of the inexperienced killer?

Whoever he is...he better watch out.

I've been reborn. pevergreen is dead, peverpink rises from the ashes.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

How stupid can one be; getting a penalty when in power-play? Take it easy guys. The Canucks are not unbeatable.

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Okay this statement is now true and it was a damn penalty that lost the game.

As for Husar post I am innocent just a townie with no role and I would also like to add what does PK know about the detective role. I have PK a townie like me am I wrong!?

Things to be drawn from the write-up.

It seems that Haudegan was killed by the brother. It may be a leap of faith, but the fact that the head was stuck on a spear, may mean that he found Manfredo? If so that means that there is no possibility of a pro-town vigilante.

Husar seems to have been killed by the Yakusa (Martial Arts) so we know Taketski is still around. We also know that he has to kill everyone, so there may not be an ulterior motive for having Husar as a target.

I'd suggest that Rythmic was the detective. I'd imagine the detective as a religious and polite guy. I'd guess a Carelli killing, a professional job, but if my first theory above is wrong then it could also have been Manfredo.

Finally, the nervous guy and Pevergreen. I need to check this against what happened in thread. If Pever insulted someone, they'd definitely be on the list of suspects, the theory about it being Axel would seem to be the best atm.

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Originally Posted by Northnovas

As for Husar post I am innocent just a townie with no role and I would also like to add what does PK know about the detective role. I have PK a townie like me am I wrong!?

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Nice of you to mention that you're just a plan old townie twice in two sentences. You seem to be reacting overly defensive for a paper-thin accusation by a dead person whose own reputation wasn't exactly sterling.

Vote: Northnovas

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Originally Posted by Gaius Scribonius Curio

It seems that Haudegan was killed by the brother. It may be a leap of faith, but the fact that the head was stuck on a spear, may mean that he found Manfredo? If so that means that there is no possibility of a pro-town vigilante.

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This is a gem of an analysis and one that I totally missed when reading the write-up. Re-reading it, I completely agree with your interpretation of the events. It's very possible that the MiB has just killed Manfredo. I haven't checked, but I think Sasaki, PK, and I are the only people left who voted for Ichigo. If the grinning man kills none of us tonight, I think we can assume he got Manfredo.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Nice of you to mention that you're just a plan old townie twice in two sentences. You seem to be reacting overly defensive for a paper-thin accusation by a dead person whose own reputation wasn't exactly sterling.

Vote: Northnovas

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I didn't realize he was dead so I was just defending myself but like any mafia game when one defends their name they become suspicious. A vote for me is only pro mafia because it will be a wasted lynch.

I am just trying to figure what role you since N1. I can't imagine you not being in the thick of things. Possible the MiB and now you have aquired your target there won't be anymore kills??

The first and third kills were interesting...

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

The first and third kills were interesting...

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You mean with the victims bleeding slowly to death? Do you think there is a connection?

I think that would be unlikely, but possible.

Ok, seen as I've done my knee playing football against a bunch of obnoxious scallys (or chavs, depending on your preference), and I can't be bothered walking to the library from the cafe, its time for a little in-depth analysis...

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Originally Posted by Andres

Alive (17)

Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Caius
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
TinCow
Elite Ferret
Northnovas
LittleGrizzly
Mithrandir
axel
Makanyane
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat

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We know from the write-up that there are at least four killers. Unfortunately, due to the verbose nature of some of the remaining people, there is a chance for others to lurk and remain undetected. There are three groups of people on this list. Those who have been relatively talkative in game, those who have been helpful or analytical, but not overly loud, and the lurkers. Not one group is above suspicion!!!

The first group would consist of: PrivateerKev, myself (Curio), and possibly Tincow and Makanyane, of those who are left. Posting styles and plans and ideas etc. should be relatively plain to see. Guilty or innocent? Thats your call.

The second group would containWoad&Fangs, Sasaki,
Northnovas, Omanes, Little Grizzly and Proletariat. Their motives and patterns are not so easy to see. However, they have been posting and trying to help (or mislead) the town. Most of these participants have come under suspicion at one point or another, and managed to produce a satisfactory answer for their actions, or in Omanes case, lack of them. Northnovas and Little Grizzly, haven't as yet, but a guilty til proven innocent attitude with such a high ratio of mafia to town left, is verging on ridiculous. If there is evidence, by all means produce it, but wanton accusations prove nothing.

Finally the lurkers! Tiberius of the Drake, Caius, Elite Ferret, Mithrandir, Axel, Bananabob and Tratorix have all had relatively little to say, and extremely little that has been of use. Axel and any other relatively new player (Mithrandir? I haven't been around long enough to know who is new), perhaps have an excuse. Also EF, has come in half-way through and could be yet to form a complete and informed opinion. However Caius, Tiberius of the Drake and Tratorix, I know have experiance, yet have been unhelpful and no-one has brought them to bear over this.

FOS: Little Grizzly, Caius, Tiberius of the Drake and Tratorix.

Little Grizzly has given no satisfactory defense of himself (afaik, please point this out if he has and I will retract this), and yet is suddenly guilt-free. Why? Caius, Tratorix and Tiberius of the Drake, as I've said I have nothing to go off other than their post-histories, which I am reviewing, and would like to hear a defence for their lack of activity.

This has taken me a while so I may be a bit off the pace, and my apologies if any information recorded above is wrong, I am human, I make mistakes, correct me.

Edit: apparently not... lol

Have no idea left - except mafia is obviously being cleverer than the rest of us
Vote: Sasaki


Curio, analysis of other people is one thing but you seem to be trying to tell everyone else what they should think of you too - I'm not sure I liked way you grouped yourself with me, TC and PK as 'our'

Gah! I'm not trying to tell people what they should think of me, and I'm definitely not trying to link anyone together, although upon rereading it does look like that.

I was trying to draw attention to the fact that:

1: No-one, (including me), should be above suspicion.

2: Most people seem to have forgotten about some of our resident lurkers.

and 3: There are people that appear to be putting in time and effort to save the town.

Also my super long-winded post was another (perhaps ill-advised) way of trying to provoke discussion and draw people out over certain issues. Instead it seems to have had the opposite effect (or maybe there is no-one left alive in my time-zone).

If you take exception to the wording however it shall be changed. I tend to type conversationally and therefore don't read what I have already written.

Oh and btw, Vote:Little Grizzly

Sasaki Kojiro, TinCow,PrivateerKev--the three of us are the only ones left living who have voted for Ichigo. Unless we lynch the SK today one of us will die tonight. None of us should be lynch targets for that reason, we don't have lynches to waste. Additionally, I'm innocent. Also, TinCow was blocked on a night when all kills were accounted for (he could be the new killer but it would be foolish to kill pevergreen, one of the other ichigo-voters). Privateer kev would be the least cautious newbie-mafioso ever.


The Stranger/EliteFerret-Next person I looked into. TS requested replacement part way through the night, so he could still have sent the kills. However Elite doesn't have any bad marks. When mak asked to see his pm she reported that he went to private messaging.

axel--innocent in my book due to missing whole night period

The lurkers:

Tiberius-3 posts--WoG bait
BananaBob-4 posts--WoG bait
Tratorix-7 posts--No posts since day 2. Possible WoG bait.
LittleGriz-11--not really a lurker anymore after a lurking start. Has been getting accused all over the place with out a lick of decent evidence. The only evidence brought that I can see is that Ichigo was going to investigate him next and it was claimed that ichigo had randomly hit the same number generator that Andres did--which is silly, since it's random.
Omanes-11--Possible scum. Lurking, laying low, avoiding popular lynch candidates.
Caius-12--I'm fairly suspicious of him since he usually posts more.
Proletariat-13-Blocked by prostitute on night with kills. Odds are low she's mafia.

Makanye-

Mithrandir-

Northnovas-

Curio-I think Curio is innocent. Gut feeling, but he has enough posts to judge.

Woad&Fangs-



I've been doing this piece by piece, but I'm going to take a break and leave some entries unfilled while I go look at something. The write up says that pino was found in a pool of blood. Husar and Rhythmic both bled to death. I recall Rhythmics vote for LittleGrizz which I found very bizarre and want to check up on it and see if it was a cop clue. On the other hand there was that business with Husar being out of bed. This should be looked into.

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Originally Posted by Makanyane

Have no idea left - except mafia is obviously being cleverer than the rest of us
Vote: Sasaki

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

Vote: Sasaki

Ugh, I am completely confused.:dizzy2:

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In the meantime, don't do the Serial Killer's work for them and take the time to reread the thread and come up with a real suspect.

Hmm....

My suspects-

1) Sasaki- He's just about cleverer than everyone else alive at this point, with the possible exception of TinCow, whom I'm pretty sure is innocent at this point. Sasaki's been keeping at just the surface point of discussion for most of the game, which is pretty much to be expected. What still sets me off a bit, in retrospect, is the fact that he was blocked on a night when there was one kill. I certainly wouldn't put it beyond Sasaki to come right out and admit he was blocked.

2) Makanyane- Her behavior is striking me to be rather similar to her behavior in Netherworld mafia- playing the part of 'dumb blonde' so to speak, a bit too much, given that she's hardly anything but.

3) Omanes- lurking heavily, but no so much that he's WoG bait. Omanes is smart enough to make some decent analysis of the game, and the fact that he's not really doing anything of the sort is rather troubling.

4) Curio- I've got a bad feeling here. He's taken the lead on the town's efforts, and yet he's got almost no experience at .org mafia. Somehow, this doesn't settle right with me, and I'm got a feeling that Sasaki's feeding him info to 'analyze' from the kills, which does two things: First, it prevents the image of Sasaki from appearing as trying to lead the town around by its nose, and it establishes Curio as a pro-town force. Frankly, I've just got a very bad feeling about this.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

In the meantime, don't do the Serial Killer's work for them and take the time to reread the thread and come up with a real suspect.

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I see a couple of votes on you brought out a sudden surge in helpfulness...

The posting analysis and suspicions on lurkers haven't got us anywhere so far, and I don't hold out a lot of hope that they will today. I have feeling we're missing seeing the elephant in the room, and am quite serious that you're a credible suspect for that role.

I agree that TC is likely 'proved' innocent, but I'm not that convinced about PK - him not having had time to absorb lore about how mafia normally stay out of trouble might be helping him do a convincing talkative hence innocent persona.
If the prostitute could be persuaded to keep protection on TC then lynching you and having PK as last possible serial killer victim doesn't actually seem like such a bad idea.


EDIT: grrr, khaan, I've been trying to sound intelligent so people listen to me for a change..... and you still think I'm coming out as 'dumb blonde' - that's a bit depressing for the self image!

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

In the meantime, don't do the Serial Killer's work for them and take the time to reread the thread and come up with a real suspect.

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Sasaki actually makes a good point here.

Unvote: Little Grizzly

Upon rereading Sasaki appears to be right, theres no real evidence for or against.

Ok, in light of the complete confusion that appears to be reigning supreme atm, I'm going to reveal this little bombshell...

I don't know what today's date is but on the 14th, after a conversation with Rythmic, he said this:

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Originally Posted by Rythmic

Alright, seems you're is highly perceptive, my source says your innocent (or at least weren't active last night).

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At the time I thought nothing of it. Then I realised that the only 'source' that he could legitimately have was either himself or Ichigo. Since Ichigo is now dead, I can reveal that I was in contact with him, and I know that I wasn't worthy of investigation by him (matter of public record, he had a list of those he was investigating, I wasn't on it). Hence Rythmic has, or rather had the ability to investigate.

Of the characters, Manfredo can investigate, but only to find Juliette.
Juliette can investigate, but She was Ichigo.
The Carabineri can investigate, he was unknown.

By process of elimination, if Rythmic was telling the truth, and he had no reason to lie, then he was the detective. The write-up of his demise, would also seem to confirm this (see above).

Bearing this in mind, everything he said to me now bears more weight.

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Originally Posted by Rythmic

I'm told Husar is innocent.

TinCow is crafty. I never, ever trust him after Netherworld. But, since all anti-town roles were active last night that pretty much clears his name.

My source says Prole is innocent, but not all roles were active that night.

Voting Axel is useless.

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This was the only PM, where he actually confirmed that he had a source, and that he seemed confident.

There was only one other where he mentioned anything about his 'opinion' about other players, and it was early in the game and he seemed to be speculating, I can post it if you want me to.

Unfortunately, there were no guilty results, and as such this information is almost useless. Completely useless if he lied.

I'm sorry if this shouldn't have been revealed btw.

Curio

Looking back and husar and rhythmic's post history:


Husar's first post after night one:

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Vote: Proletariat

Well, call it a feeling, or don't, or maybe do, but perhaps it's better not to, then again maybe you should...

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Rhythmics:

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Vote: Tratorix

My vote chosen using random.org. :laugh4:

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Based on Husar's post this thread, he didn't have a result on prole despite the weird wording, and anyway she was blocked by prostitute. I don't think the "first posts of day" are going to be useful this time although the detectives sometimes leave clues.

This post by rhythmic:

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Originally Posted by Rhythmic

I'm undecided about Husar, further evidence or info really would swing my opinion.
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maybe an investigative report by the detective sometime

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interests me, "investigative report" is strange wording, perhaps used by andres in a role pm. From same post:

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Originally Posted by Rhythmic

Edit: I'll wait to see how the night plays out before pressing further judgement.

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Then the next day:

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Originally Posted by Rhythmic

Husar is a bad vote, more thoughts to come in a second. (Need to charge my laptop).

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In my estimation Rhythmic was the detective. Looks like a result on Husar for that they though, so he couldn't have had a result on LittleGrizzly that day, and was instead just trying to stop the Husar wagon. Well that was a lengthy derail, but I did notice two things. First, I'm suspicious of those jumping all over LittleGrizzly. I can't see any evidence against him. This includes curio who I'm going to have to take a close look at despite my gut feeling. Second is this quote from NorthNovas:

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Originally Posted by NorthNovas

unvote:Husar

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Originally Posted by Northnovas

A little of both but I still have time to put it back on I want to see what else develops. LittleGrizzly is looking like a possibility too.

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Which is a classic mafia type post. He'll be the subject of my next post.

Vote: Omanes btw.

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Originally Posted by Makanyane

I see a couple of votes on you brought out a sudden surge in helpfulness...

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Sasaki Kojiro 71
Makanyane 37

:bow:

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Originally Posted by Makanye

The posting analysis and suspicions on lurkers haven't got us anywhere so far, and I don't hold out a lot of hope that they will today. I have feeling we're missing seeing the elephant in the room, and am quite serious that you're a credible suspect for that role.

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They're the only way to get anywhere. Mafia instinct is to cast careless votes.

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

4) Curio- I've got a bad feeling here. He's taken the lead on the town's efforts, and yet he's got almost no experience at .org mafia. Somehow, this doesn't settle right with me, and I'm got a feeling that Sasaki's feeding him info to 'analyze' from the kills, which does two things: First, it prevents the image of Sasaki from appearing as trying to lead the town around by its nose, and it establishes Curio as a pro-town force. Frankly, I've just got a very bad feeling about this.

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:laugh4: So the ability to analyse (badly as it turns out), makes me suspicious? Ok I can see that it probably does.

But I'd like to point out that I am my own man, and I don't need to be 'fed information' on how to perform an analysis of someone.

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Originally Posted by Makanyane

If the prostitute could be persuaded to keep protection on TC then lynching you and having PK as last possible serial killer victim doesn't actually seem like such a bad idea.

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actually I am a dumb blonde.... :embarassed: just realised there was no mention of prostitute last night, erm do we think she's dead?

need to re-read the rest of stuff above later, must work now.

Vote: gaius Scribino Curio

reason: I really don't have a clue. I had a gut feeling about kukri and sarathos which both turned out to be wrong, since the numer of kills did not decline after they were dead. So for now I'll rather trust complete randomness than my gut feelings.

edit: I filled in numbers instead of names because I'm too lazy. #5 on the random list is gaius (from andres' tally)

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Originally Posted by NorthNovas

Wow, that was a lot of pages to read for being 1 day offline! I will make my first round contribution:

Vote: Abstain

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Possible his not being online meant he didn't send a kill? Not evidence of it. A nothing vote.

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Originally Posted by NorthNovas

I would have to agree at least one veteran player. GH is always a target in the early round and a threat to any mafia. A definite town loss.
No vote yet.

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Still no vote. He does vote for 00Jebus.

Next few posts aren't interesting, just apologies for missing votes and lurking.

This is the interesting set:

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PK has made a good observation with Axel's activity but there have been several request made to Husar to explain himself and he has made no attempt but in his post.

Vote: Husar

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unvote: Husar

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A little of both but I still have time to put it back on I want to see what else develops. LittleGrizzly is looking like a possibility too.

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Taking PK's observation.

Vote: Axel

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Just cathcing up on the current post.

unvote:axel
vote:Haudegen

Going on a hunch!

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He appears to be voting for popular candidates indiscriminately with fake reasons at times. Good lynch choice.



Mithrandir--Lurks a lot. Could go either way on this one.


Mak, Curio, and W&F will take a bit more time.

Mak- No offense intended, honestly. However, you seem to be either going along with other people's votes, or else simply stating that you're not sure what to do. It was simply a term of phrase, I meant nothing by it.

Gaius- Once again, no offense intended. However, you can't deny that you're still very new to mafia, so either you're getting help from someone who IS very experienced, or you're going to be one heck of a mafia player once you get to know the usual field of players. However, I tend to reserve such a judgement until many games, and as such, I'll allow my pessimistic side to assume that you've been getting some hints from Sasaki.

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Originally Posted by Rhythmic

Alright, seems you're is highly perceptive, my source says your innocent (or at least weren't active last night).

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At the time I thought nothing of it. Then I realised that the only 'source' that he could legitimately have was either himself or Ichigo. Since Ichigo is now dead, I can reveal that I was in contact with him, and I know that I wasn't worthy of investigation by him (matter of public record, he had a list of those he was investigating, I wasn't on it). Hence Rythmic has, or rather had the ability to investigate.

Of the characters, Manfredo can investigate, but only to find Juliette.
Juliette can investigate, but She was Ichigo.
The Carabineri can investigate, he was unknown.

By process of elimination, if Rythmic was telling the truth, and he had no reason to lie, then he was the detective. The write-up of his demise, would also seem to confirm this (see above).

Bearing this in mind, everything he said to me now bears more weight.

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Makes sense to me. On the basis of the first quote I think we can put Curio in as innocent.

^^^or maybe this is just a clever plot we cooked up together :laugh4:

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Mithrandir--Lurks a lot. Could go either way on this one.

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ooc :Actually my activity has increased with about 1000% since joining these maffia games :laugh4:


ic: I lurk a lot? I think I've posted quite a lot...

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

Gaius- Once again, no offense intended. However, you can't deny that you're still very new to mafia, so either you're getting help from someone who IS very experienced, or you're going to be one heck of a mafia player once you get to know the usual field of players. However, I tend to reserve such a judgement until many games, and as such, I'll allow my pessimistic side to assume that you've been getting some hints from Sasaki.

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Makaikhaan, note the laugh smiley at the beginning of my post! I just had to at least make an attempt to defend myself against your slander. :laugh4: . I take it as a compliment that you think the only way I can acheive as much I have (Have I acheived anything?), is with the help of someone of Sasaki's calibre! I did follow Capo II, even though I wasn't involved, so I had a fair idea of what to do.

Right.. so Rytmic was the detective and if Husar was innocent and out all night; that would mean he was the prostitute. Taketsi killed the prostitute and the Mafia killed the detective.

Why don't you just lynch Taketsi aka Privateerkev right now. :wall:

vote:privateerkev
He is obviosuly guilty, guilty guilty... :yes:

W&F's makes me suspicious. Not much concrete. His M.O. seems to be to make a couple posts each day with reasonably logic based well established rules. It's a very effective way to play as mafia--not lurking, not bandwagoning, using logic but not exposing yourself to a slip up or inconsistency. The only thing inconsistent is his claim on day one that pk is definitely innocent and him saying today that he thinks pk is mafia.

I don't have time for a full reread on Makanye. Too many posts and it's very late, sorry. She was very good mafia in netherworld and capo as I recall. Not much attempt at case building this game that I can remember. Suspicious level of carelessness regarding voting this round i.e. "I have no idea so here's a vote".


Vote count:

Sasaki 2 (W&F, Makanye)
NorthNovas 1 (TinCow)
Omanes 1 (Curio)
Curio 1 (Mithrandir)

Very few amounts of votes, considering how many killers we have.

In my opinion:

Innocent:
Proletariat
Curio
axel
Elite Ferret
LittleGrizzly
Tincow
Sasaki

Serial killer bait:
Sasaki
Tincow
PK

WoG bait:
tiberius
bananaBob
tratorix

possible mafia:
Northnovas
W&F
Makanye
Omanes
Mithrandir
Caius

Vote:Northnovas

Seems the clear best candidate.

Look over Husar's death again. He seemed very hard to kill.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Andres

Husar left his room.

While he walked through the corridor, he was hit by a hard kick on his knees.

Husar fell down. Another kick hit him on the head.

Almost unconscious, he tried to look up.

A well placed kick chopped of Husar's right arm. Before Husar could scream, another kick chopped of his left arm.

"Guess you're defeated," his attacker said.

"No! I'm not," Husar screamed. Somehow, he got up to his feet and he started to yell at his attacker.

"Come over here, you coward! Are you afraid of an armless man! Gah! Attack me! Come on!"

Two well placed kicks chopped of Husar's legs. Husar kept taunting his attacker until he bleeded to dead.

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Look at the Night 3 report again. Remember the report of two men fighting in a room. It seems there are some people who can't be automatically killed.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Earlier, during the night, in a hotel, a bit further down the same narrow street...

A man entered his room. Another man pushed the first one and punched him in his face. While the first man was recovering from the blow, the agressor took a piano fibre, ready to strangle his victim. Somehow, the first man managed to roll on his side. He pulled his gun and pointed it at his attacker. The shot, aimed at the attacker's head, missed.

Both men stopped their fight, because of the screams of another man further down the hall.

Maybe Husar was the first man in the above report? Would that make him the detective?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Since you apparently knew the identity of the detective, mind telling the rest of us who it was?

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While the identity of the detective is just a guess, I am very much convinced that the detective is dead. Look at Andres's night report quote below:

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Originally Posted by Andres

The people of Taormina gathered near the Porta Messina. They saw Pino's body in a pool of blood.

Without a real leader, they didn't know what to do. They figured they should continue to do what they always did so far.

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Now as for what to do now, it does seem that Sasaki, TC, and I are going to be SK bait. Ironically I was the one that worked the hardest to keep Ichigo from being lynched but I don't see the SK worried about notions of "fairness". :laugh4:

As for Northnovas, I have not seen him act any differently than how he normally does. He just is not a very talkative person. Check his posts in other threads. I see him as being innocent.

I think everyone should give Omanes another look. Remember when we were all so gung-ho to lynch him a couple days back? And then Sigurd entered our sights and we all switched over? Well, has Omanes done anything since to alleviate our suspicion of him? TC was able to push Omanes into admitting that he was only busy that one day.

But he has been relatively quiet in here and others have said that is out of character. While NN is acting very much like NN.

vote: Omanes

new tally:

Sasaki 2 (W&F, Makanye)
NorthNovas 2 (TinCow, Sasaki)
Omanes 2 (Curio, Privateerkev)

Curio 1 (Mithrandir)

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Right.. so Rytmic was the detective and if Husar was innocent and out all night; that would mean he was the prostitute. Taketsi killed the prostitute and the Mafia killed the detective.

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Your intelligence never lets me down honey.

I already said why I argued against you, it was to stay alive, but noone asked why I wanted to stay alive and obviously I'm not allowed to tell, a bit of combination work on the side of the townies would be required but maybe the above quote could help a little(because I also believe Rythmic was the detective). :sweatdrop:

I'm not sure about Privateerkev being Taketsi, I wonder why you had him as out of bed but most likely innocent and me just out of bed(note that I said earlier that my denial of Sigurd's results was fake, just helping with the combining now).

Also it was not that he made me the Black Knight that was weird about Andres's writeup of my death, it was of a more grammatical nature(hint, hint).
Which also lead me to say that it eradicates the reason I had earlier to say that Prole was likely innocent, let me look for that post...

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Originally Posted by Husar

Well, it could be that she is a female townie just because she's a female female in which case she would not have a male role which would mean that she is not a male killer and thus innocent. One could call that a slip-up on Andres's part but we could stop worrying about her then. It's just a guess but for now it's good enough to lower my suspicion of her.

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There it is, well it was a wrong guess, you have to figure out the rest for yourselves. Just a few things I wanted to highlight, maybe someone can make more out of it. :sweatdrop:

edit: Before I forget it, it's Makanyane and Haudegen, not Makanye and Haudegan...

The suspicions about me didn't appear until after a day or 2 of inactivity and ichigo dropping my name in, i went through the reasons a page or 2 back.

im at a bit of a loose end of who to vote but i think we should leave those manfredo will/could kill until we know he's dead and off the scene

Serial killer bait:
Sasaki
Tincow
PK


so were left with
Innocent:
Proletariat
Curio
axel
Elite Ferret
LittleGrizzly


and

possible mafia:
Northnovas
W&F
Makanye
Omanes
Mithrandir
Caius


something about sasakis innocent list and posible mafia list rings true for me so i am going to vote woad & fangs

I don't want to detract thread from analysis of Husar's post that seems like maybe a more promising lead. Re: gramatical stuff Husar's killer was only referred to as the attacker' whereas other killers in last nights write up were called 'the man' - I don't have time at moment to go back and compare with other nights...

Re: Sasaki

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I don't have time for a full reread on Makanye. Too many posts and it's very late, sorry. She was very good mafia in netherworld and capo as I recall. Not much attempt at case building this game that I can remember. Suspicious level of carelessness regarding voting this round i.e.

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"I have no idea so here's a vote".

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nope my vote had a reasoning - one you seem to be keen to ignore

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Originally Posted by me

Have no idea left - except mafia is obviously being cleverer than the rest of us
Vote: Sasaki

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In longer words; our efforts so far to find any mafia at all by deductions based on their posts - looking for mistakes they may have made and suspicious voting and posting patterns have failed to produce any reduction in the numbers of kills per night. The killers also seem to have been excessively fortunate in not either wasting a kill by attacking same victim, or accidentally taking one of the other killers. Though they do seem to have both taken out the pro-town roles and most people previously on the suspects list. This seems to imply the killers have better intelligence than us, are possibly cooperating and have avoided making any cliched mafia give away mistakes... Sasaki seems the most likely person left capable of pulling that off.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki

They're the only way to get anywhere. Mafia instinct is to cast careless votes.

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unless of course the mafia know that too and avoid it - you seem to be adopting a particularly blinkered approach to that possibility. Which makes me think it may be just because its convenient for you.

EDIT: hmm was trying to make sense out of what seemed to be the implied possibility that Prole had a female role as a killer - but on reflection that's not making sense with the other write ups.. :(

I have no idea what is going on now. All I know is PK is always very chatty and seems to geniunely be helping the town and so he's off my suspect list. I also agree with Sasaki and we should not lynch someone on the 'Ichigo list'.

So for now I'm gonna take a wild guess off LittleGrizzly's list and vote:mithrandir

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Originally Posted by Husar

I'm not sure about Privateerkev being Taketsi, I wonder why you had him as out of bed but most likely innocent and me just out of bed(note that I said earlier that my denial of Sigurd's results was fake, just helping with the combining now).

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I asked Andres what an investigation result on me would be. Here is the very short PM reply from Andres:

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Originally Posted by Andres

home and innocent.

a.

I'm drunk

Anderlecht ! ~:cheers:

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Since Sigurd was wrong about me, I assumed he was wrong about you. Sigurd quickly typed up his list right before a lynching. For reasons best known to him, he put my name down as his 3rd investigation. For all I know, it was random. But since I have contested his post, it puts everything he says into suspicion so he has had to combat me verbally for days.

I think we can finally start confirming that Sigurd was indeed Taketsi. It seems that Husar or Rythmic was the detective. And I am becoming convinced that the MiB is indeed the serial killer. The "grinning" has been a very distinctive marker in every SK post and the MiB "grinned" in the 1st post.

So, I think we can pretty much conclude that Sigurd is indeed Taketsi. He used his "list" as a way to manipulate the town. I have gotten in the way of that and have earned his "attention", probably for the remainder of the game. That's ok, my skin is thick.

Being a lightening rod for Sigurd's tender affections is just one of many services I will try to provide. :clown:

new tally:


Sasaki 2 (W&F, Makanye)
NorthNovas 2 (TinCow, Sasaki)
Omanes 2 (Curio, Privateerkev)

Curio 1 (Mithrandir)
W&F 1 (LittleGrizzly)
Mithrandir 1 (Elite Ferret)

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Originally Posted by Husar

Your intelligence never lets me down honey.

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Well, I am sorry I might have been responsible for outing you :sweatdrop: I blame Ichigo for not cracking under pressure in the chat. :beam:

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I'm not sure about Privateerkev being Taketsi, I wonder why you had him as out of bed but most likely innocent and me just out of bed

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Well at first I thought he was just trying to get a glimpse of the two women behind the closed doors that night (it was the same night Prole and the prostitute shared a room). Then when I released the list, within a minute it was important that I remove PK's name from my list, but let pevergreen's stay. Sasaki's argument was that we shouldn't list innocent people.
Then nothing is heard from it until PK bring it up again out of the blue calling me a liar for having a ***** out of bed on night 3.

Notice that I didn't push him in this. I know that my watch report (let's call a spade a spade) is genuine, yet PK wants to discredit it even though only a handful of people saw it.
That he continues to deny such a miniscule thing, speaks of some agenda.
Having a look at the role description found in the first post of this thread we read:

-Taketsi : one of the most cruel killers wandering around this earth. He's a member of an important yakuza family. His job is to take out Gianluca and Luciano and to get the nuclear weapons out of the place. He is able investigate 2 players each night or to kill 1 player. When killing, he'll turn out guilty upon investigation by the Carabinieri or Juliette. If he doesn't kill at night, he'll turn up innocent.

Ok… let’s have a look at the kills on the different nights:

Night 1 – one killed = 1 hit
Night 2 – two killed = 2 hits
Night 3 – two killed and one failed attempt = 3 hits
Night 4 – three killed and one failed attempt = 4 hits
Night 5 – four killed.

This makes me strongly suspect PK. I know that I saw him out of bed on night 3. There were only 3 hits that night.
We know that even though we remove one of the mafia they have never been able to kill more than one. Ichigo caught one of them.
From night 4 there have been a steady 4 hits. And I gather from PK’s sudden defense that He might have been out investigating the first 3 nights and since used his power to kill.
It fits with the role description of Taketsi. He was also the first to bring us information of possible recruits. If more of the initial killers have been removed and we still have 4 hits… Well…

I say lynch Privateerkev now…

the uncomfortable fact remains that Sigurd being lynched didn't result in the absence of a killer...

something that happened recently seems to have resulted in the absence of a prostitute.


and whilst its sad that those on the Ichigo list will probably be killed by the MiB eventually it doesn't mean leaving them alive to get possibly another couple of kills in - if we really think they are guilty - is a good idea.

EDIT: that was in reply to PK - hadn't seen Sigurd there...

Sasaki is a bad vote. The only reasons cited against him are essentially that he's a good player. That ignores the fact that if he's a good player, he's good for the town when he's a townie. Lynch him based on evidence, not fear. If he's pro-town, you're destroying a major asset. So far, the only evidence I see against him is the first night block, which has already been discussed ad nauseum and I which I no longer think is a good enough reason for a vote.

For the record, I have thought that Husar was the prostitute for a few days now. Ichigo knew who the prostitute was, and there are some small elements of cooperation between their postings. In addition, Husar was attacking Proletariat in the thread just before she was blocked by the prostitute. This would also explain how Husar was 'out' on Night 1. Finally, Husar was killed last night and there was no prostitute action. Husar contacted me shortly before he died. Here is the complete PM chain I exchanged with him. Since I think he was the prostitute, it may contain useful information:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

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Originally Posted by Husar

Hey TinCow, please do me a favor and somehow spin me into a simple townie in the thread, if still possible, Sigurd's result is accurate, I'm just trying to discredit him because otherwise I'd have to reveal which means I'll be dead the next night. Your assessment of my possible role wasn't bad, you may be able to figure it out but doing it in the thread just means the mafia gets the same information which in turn means I'll die. I'm fine with getting a few votes as long as it's not the majority.

Quite simply put, if the mafia thinks I can perform night actions, I'm dead, that's how I always see it. :shrug:

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I'll see what I can do, but it's going to be almost impossible to hide the fact that you have a role. My personal hunch is that you are the prostitute, based on some parallels between your posts and Ichigo's posts. The best strategy I see is to make the mafia think you're the hitman, because that's a role that could conceivably be pro-mafia and thus in their interests to keep alive. I know you can't PM Ichigo, but I suspect he would figure out what you were doing and support it in a proper way in the thread.

You do not need to confirm to me whether you are the prostitute or not. I will simply operate under that assumption. With that in mind, I would like to know whether you think Sasaki is mafia or town. A simple "I think Sasaki is X" is good enough for me and it shouldn't violate the rules.

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Heh, Ichigo investigated me so he knows my role and I have absolutely no idea about Sasaki to be honest.

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Sigurd:

I've also noticed all three people you mentioned in your "list" are on the SK's hit list. Now I'm not saying your the SK but you seem awfully anxious to get one of the last 3 people on the SK's list, lynched. And your "list" put the spotlight on 3 of those people.

I say your Taketsi and your trying to mess us up.

If Rythmic or Husar was the detective, and the MiB is the SK, then how can I be Taketsi if you really could investigate?

Your story is full of holes Sigurd. For your story to have any chance at being true, you need for there to be more investigators than there is.

Now I know you'll point out the fact that there have been Yakuza kills since you've been lynched. But if you've noticed, the yakuza has been killing, but the number of kills per night has not been reduced. So, the yakuza has probably not been killing other mafia. Therefore, the yakuza is probably not investigating. In fact, I would guess that the yakuza "can't" investigate.

Let's look again at who you could be.

Juliette: no, Ichigo is Juliette.

Manfredo: Manfredo can only investigate if someone is, or is not, Juliette

Detective: It seems likely that Rythmic or Husar was the detective. Regardless, we now know for sure the detective is dead from the last night report. The detective was killed well after you were lynched.

MiB: There seems to be consensus that the MiB is the SK.

Taketsi: This is the logical conclusion with the information we have. Yet you now claim I am Taketsi. If I was, then how could you have been investigating?

Unless your claiming some secret investigating role for yourself.

In my defense, I was in Missouri without internet access for all of the night phase and most of the last day phase. However, there were still 4 kills last night.

Unvote: Sasaki
because he is on the SK's list.

I believe Makanyane is innocent. Her role PM trick with EF was rather clever. I doubt a mafioso would want to prove someone innocent.

So using LittleGrizz'z list that leaves Northnovas, Omanes, Caius, and Mithrinder as good lynch choices in my opinion.

I am not going to quote all of your statements as I am pressed for time at work. But let's take a look on some of the gems:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

If Rythmic or Husar was the detective, and the MiB is the SK, then how can I be Taketsi if you really could investigate?

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I have in my previous post redefined the term of my nighly actions. Let's call it watching hereafter and not confuse it with the investigation power of Carabinieri, Taketsi and Manfredo.

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Now I know you'll point out the fact that there have been Yakuza kills since you've been lynched. But if you've noticed, the yakuza has been killing, but the number of kills per night has not been reduced. So, the yakuza has probably not been killing other mafia. Therefore, the yakuza is probably not investigating. In fact, I would guess that the yakuza "can't" investigate.

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What kind of argument or logic is this?

Yakuza have killed.
Yet have not killed mafia.
Therefore yakuza can't investigate.

unsound logic and Red Herring.

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Let's look again at who you could be.

Juliette: no, Ichigo is Juliette.

Manfredo: Manfredo can only investigate if someone is, or is not, Juliette

Detective: It seems likely that Rythmic or Husar was the detective. Regardless, we now know for sure the detective is dead from the last night report. The detective was killed well after you were lynched.

MiB: There seems to be consensus that the MiB is the SK.

Taketsi: This is the logical conclusion with the information we have. Yet you now claim I am Taketsi. If I was, then how could you have been investigating?

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Ok.. let's see.

Detective can not kill
Juliette can not kill (dead anyway)
Prostitute can not kill
Manfredo can kill
Taketsi can kill
Gianluca and Luciano can kill but XOR.
SK aka MiB can kill

We had 4 kills last night and I have been dead a while.
Logic says I can't be one of the killers and hence not Taketsi as you propose.
The very fact that there are still 4 kills puts the role of Taketsi still alive using your logic of 'known roles only'. Therefore we can safely conclude that it is not me who is trying to confuse the town, but rather you.
This is the 'Gotta have more mafia' all over again, but this time I am CR and you are me trying to fool the town.

That Sasaki hasn't caught your reek yet, speaks of accomplice.
Come on town put at least some votes on privateerkev. :smash:

I don't like to be painted as maffia, I can swear to all that is camel that I'm not.

Why does everyone believe Sasaki's word to be true? Unless he is a proven detective and has investigated everyone, his guess is as good as most, right?

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Let's call it watching hereafter and not confuse it with the investigation power of Carabinieri, Taketsi and Manfredo.

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Watching!?! :laugh4:

That is your defense? That you don't investigate, but only watch!?!

That one truly made my morning... Thank you... :bow:

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What kind of argument or logic is this?

Yakuza have killed.
Yet have not killed mafia.
Therefore yakuza can't investigate.

unsound logic and Red Herring.

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Yakuza need to kill Carelli
Yakuza need to find Carelli first
Yakuza investigate people to see if they are Carelli
If Yakuza finds Carelli, Yakuza kills Carelli
If Yakuza does not do this, Carelli eventually kills Yakuza
If Yakuza kills Carelli, kills should go down
If kills do not go down, then Yakuza has probably not killed Carelli
If Yakuza is not killing Carelli, then Yakuza is probably not finding Carelli
Therefore, Yakuza is not investigating.

Why?

My guess is that the only Yakuza that could investigate is Taketsi and that is Sigurd. Sigurd is covering for his Yakuza mate who I have guessed is Pevergreen. Now that Pevergreen is dead, we'll see if there are anymore Yakuza style kills.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

We had 4 kills last night and I have been dead a while.
Logic says I can't be one of the killers and hence not Taketsi as you propose.
The very fact that there are still 4 kills puts the role of Taketsi still alive using your logic of 'known roles only'. Therefore we can safely conclude that it is not me who is trying to confuse the town, but rather you.
This is the 'Gotta have more mafia' all over again, but this time I am CR and you are me trying to fool the town.

That Sasaki hasn't caught your reek yet, speaks of accomplice.
Come on town put at least some votes on privateerkev. :smash:

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This conveniently ignores the fact that 00jebus was mafia and was lynched. Therefore we already have 4 kills with only 3 surviving killers. This means that some of the mafia can either kill more than once per night, or there are more killers than the initial role post indicates. If that is true in one case, there's no reason it couldn't be true in another.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Watching!?! :laugh4:
That is your defense? That you don't investigate, but only watch!?!
That one truly made my morning... Thank you... :bow:

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I know you are new to mafia and I will not hold this against you. But let me throw in an advice: Read more mafia threads... Basing your argumentation on Netherworld only will only make you look like a fool.

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Yakuza need to kill Carelli
Yakuza need to find Carelli first
Yakuza investigate people to see if they are Carelli
If Yakuza finds Carelli, Yakuza kills Carelli
If Yakuza does not do this, Carelli eventually kills Yakuza
If Yakuza kills Carelli, kills should go down
If kills do not go down, then Yakuza has probably not killed Carelli
If Yakuza is not killing Carelli, then Yakuza is probably not finding Carelli
Therefore, Yakuza is not investigating.

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Now that is better.
But there is still getting the nukes out of town isn't there?
Maybe you kill to narrow down the suspects and perhaps get lucky getting the last mafia and at the same time get rid of the townies to get the nukes out. That would be the smart thing to do if I were Taketsi.

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My guess is that the only Yakuza that could investigate is Taketsi and that is Sigurd. Sigurd is covering for his Yakuza mate who I have guessed is Pevergreen. Now that Pevergreen is dead, we'll see if there are anymore Yakuza style kills.

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Yeah... convinently there will be only 3 kills in the following night because you decide to do an investigation that night.
Why were you out of bed night 3?

You're doing a valiant job Sigurd, but PK is right that your "watching" excuse is laughable. Your 'results' included that pevergreen was "innocent" and PK was "probably innocent." If you had some kind of lesser "watching" ability, as you claim, why were you getting full investigation results?

The real question is why you're still fighting this so hard. Are you just trying to confuse the town, or are you actively trying to protect someone?

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

I know you are new to mafia and I will not hold this against you. But let me throw in an advice: Read more mafia threads... Basing your argumentation on Netherworld only will only make you look like a fool.

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So now your claiming a secret watching role? And just how different is "watching" from "investigating" anyways? Does forgetting to post your night action PM's before your lynched mean you were "watching"?

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Now that is better.
But there is still getting the nukes out of town isn't there?
Maybe you kill to narrow down the suspects and perhaps get lucky getting the last mafia and at the same time get rid of the townies to get the nukes out. That would be the smart thing to do if I were Taketsi.

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But with multiple killers out there, and the chance that yakuza will be killed by a Carelli by chance, it is in the yakuza's interest to take out a Carelli when he finds one. Once the Carelli's are gone, then the yakuza could rest easy knowing he won't be knocked off by accident by a Carelli who thinks the yakuza is just a townie.

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Why were you out of bed night 3?

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I wasn't. I feel we are treading well covered ground now. Do you have any new observations or will you insist on asking me the same questions over and over? :smash:

Im really lost in this game. I havent been doing something because I got lost here.
Im going to vote:Omanes, its not his style to lurk heavily.

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But with multiple killers out there, and the chance that yakuza will be killed by a Carelli by chance, it is in the yakuza's interest to take out a Carelli when he finds one. Once the Carelli's are gone, then the yakuza could rest easy knowing he won't be knocked off by accident by a Carelli who thinks the yakuza is just a townie.

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This in not logical to me. It would be better for Taketsi to kill every night instead of first investigate and then kill. Killing every night covers more ground than investigating two and then kill one if he happens to find a mafia.

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I wasn't. I feel we are treading well covered ground now. Do you have any new observations or will you insist on asking me the same questions over and over? :smash:

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Same back at you... you insists on pulling out the fact that only the Detective ,Manfredo, Juliette and Taketsi can investigate, putting your mind in a box where the only roles are those defined in the opening post, then in some posts you turn around completely and hints to more than one yakuza or mafia. And I have already explained sufficiently why I did not bother getting the three watch reports out of my inbox to post them here.

You are overly defensive for a mere townie. Wasn't one of the strategies of the town to lynch desperately defensive players? :whip:

I said it before, I'll say it again: kill the lurkers.:yes:

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This in not logical to me. It would be better for Taketsi to kill every night instead of first investigate and then kill. Killing every night covers more ground than investigating two and then kill one if he happens to find a mafia.

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But it is exactly what you did. You investigated until you killed CR. (I'm assuming that was you since it was done yakuza style.) You get 2 investigations a night but you only showed 3 results. I wonder what the 4th said...

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Same back at you... you insists on pulling out the fact that only the Detective ,Manfredo, Juliette and Taketsi can investigate, putting your mind in a box where the only roles are those defined in the opening post, then in some posts you turn around completely and hints to more than one yakuza or mafia.

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The last night report mentions a rather noobish mafioso killing Pevergreen. So I think it is safe to assume there are roles that aren't in the 1st post. But I am not convinced there are investigative roles that are not in the first post. Maybe there are. But I do believe you have investigative powers. And my guess is that you are Taketsi. I have always allowed the possibility that there might be other secret investigative roles out there but I find it unlikely.

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And I have already explained sufficiently why I did not bother getting the three watch reports out of my inbox to post them here.

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Actually you haven't. Your claim of a bad connection is mighty convenient. My guess is you didn't want to post them because it would cause questions. It is to your advantage to be vague so as to confuse us further.

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You are overly defensive for a mere townie. Wasn't one of the strategies of the town to lynch desperately defensive players? :whip:

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No, I just believe in calling bullcrap when I see it. I have answered you point for point but your not satisfied. Your being overly aggresive for being a harmless pro-town role that has the secret power of "watching".