Motion Detect 15er GAME THREAD

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Originally Posted by Syn

see you all in 43 hours

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vote first pleb

ok fine

vote: EnderWiggin

Ooh.
JOAT, I am not asking for a poison heal.
It's probably better if you don't bother with it.

Also, I wanna say some unfriendly things to the wolves that killed what was supposed to be my mason-bro.

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

ngl I don't think we had w/w wagons. I'm unsure if pzelda was a bus or not but it doesn't feel like a bus, not the way it fluctuated, got beat for a hot second, and then rose back to the top.

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What changed your mind?

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

ngl I don't think we had w/w wagons. I'm unsure if pzelda was a bus or not but it doesn't feel like a bus, not the way it fluctuated, got beat for a hot second, and then rose back to the top.

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Why not w/w wagons?

(and not something we should dwell on, but it looks like we did lol)

On a scale of 1 (Wolfy) to 10 (villagery), Logic’s reaction to being poisoned is a 5.5

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Originally Posted by Logic

What changed your mind?

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If it were ww the pzelda counters wouldn't have been as chaotic. It's a vibe I got watching it unfold

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Originally Posted by hollowkatt

If it were ww the pzelda counters wouldn't have been as chaotic. It's a vibe I got watching it unfold

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Alrighty then who are the wolves?

I’m guessing that HK/Logic is not w/w because I don’t see HK taking this line so that’s interesting I guess.

VOTE TALLY

SilverKeith 4 Visor YOLOSWAG hollowkatt Ephemeral
hollowkatt 1 baudib1
EnderWiggin 1 Syn



MAJ is in effect and is 7

EOD is 7pm eastern on 2/5/2023

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Originally Posted by baudib1

I?m guessing that HK/Logic is not w/w because I don?t see HK taking this line so that?s interesting I guess.

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Ya prob agree

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Originally Posted by YOLOSWAG

lmfao @ the Wisdom kill

I respect it

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This game is being atm so just gonna troll.

But this is the type of kill YOLO and I would make here IMO.

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Originally Posted by baudib1

This game is being atm so just gonna troll.

But this is the type of kill YOLO and I would make here IMO.

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boring*

Actually not really, I think we would kill Visor.

Petition to Sunbae to transfer me and Yolo to the wolf team in exchange for Silver Keith, hollowkatt and a wolf to be named later.

Was gonna post in dvc that Sk is prolly a wolf due to EOD. But lol 'who kills Wisdom here?' Wifom.

Vote : Silverkeith

I guess logic, SK, Ender, HK is a winning POE.

Unless the busser is Ephe :curtain:

Ill announce my peek l8r.
Prolly low activity toDay. Coasting out of D1. See u in F3 :curtain:

Someone unvote, we’re at L-2.

I unironically want Dyachei to have time.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Was gonna post in dvc that Sk is prolly a wolf due to EOD. But lol 'who kills Wisdom here?' Wifom.

Vote : Silverkeith

I guess logic, SK, Ender, HK is a winning POE.

Unless the busser is Ephe :curtain:

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I?m at a total loss on the wisdom kill.

I thought wisdom was a pr hunt but then realized wolves can just use their role to pr hunt so uh idrk

dont even really care to think hard about it. We'll find out postgame

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Originally Posted by ladd

I thought wisdom was a pr hunt but then realized wolves can just use their role to pr hunt so uh idrk

dont even really care to think hard about it. We'll find out postgame

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Right. I mean given that JOAT is so likely to poison last night it seems like a safe spot to SPK someone on the Zelda wagon.

I like how I’ve comfortably set myself up to get way too much credit for the win at F5.

wasnt there a game where monte was on a wolfteam who made a weird kill and monte kept defending the nk itt as good and got outed for it? Or something similar

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Originally Posted by ladd

wasnt there a game where monte was on a wolfteam who made a weird kill and monte kept defending the nk itt as good and got outed for it? Or something similar

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lolMonte

There was a game where YOLO and I powerwolfed our way through V/V wagons D1/D2 and ended up killing the D2 CW instead of the outed PR to protect our third partner (who ended up winning the game).

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

VOTE TALLY as of #707

Logic 7 baudib1 hollowkatt pzelda Syn Visor Ephemeral Silverkeith
pzelda 4 YOLOSWAG ladd EnderWiggin Raskolnikov
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
Ladd 1 Wisdom

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

VOTE TALLY as of 718

Logic 6 baudib1 hollowkatt pzelda Syn Ephemeral Silverkeith
pzelda 5 YOLOSWAG ladd EnderWiggin Raskolnikov Visor
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
Ladd 1 Wisdom


10 minutes to go

:00 good
:01 bad

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Originally Posted by Sunbae

VOTE TALLY

pzelda 7 YOLOSWAG ladd EnderWiggin Raskolnikov Visor Silverkeith Ephemeral
Logic 4 baudib1 hollowkatt pzelda Syn
hollowkatt 2 noraplus dyachei
Ladd 1 Wisdom



pzelda has been chopped! they were Scum Firefighter



Night will end at 7pm eastern on 2/3/23.

Night actions are due at 6pm eastern on 2/3/23. Any action not sent will be randed.

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Let?s see here

Sadly, I think Visor looks pretty good from this.
I’m surprised I haven’t gotten heat but I guess that’s what happens when you have competent players.
(And I did say that people should move back to Zelda)

Are we gonna treat Zelda like he was an outed wolf from the get go and assume he was in antispew the whole time? Or are we just being lazy and waiting for dya to read through his posts?

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Originally Posted by SilverKeith

I cannot comprehend how he comes from just posting some thoughts here and there to the bolded concussion.

His game kinda feels disjointed. It's hard to follow his thought process. Ok I kinda think this might make him town in the sense that his process is all over the place.

- he starts by calling HK v and everyone else on null.
- He uses, in this post, the phrase "if I exclude my townleans" idk who he was talking about here but I'm gonna assume it's more than one person.
- There's a ladd push which is a bit ??. I get like, not seeing ladd as town, I guess, but there's also other people playing the game? I could get a ladd shade there if most of the other players were townie from his pov but he hasn't expressed that.
- Then there's a list which includes ppl he'd vote for, which implicitly says there's a list of ppl he wouldn't vote for, but he hasn't really given explanations on those I feel. Are wolves this allergic to giving out townreads? I think your average wolf likes to be correct a bit more at least and giving like a free townread to position themselves better. This is weird.

anyways

Vote: Logic

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This post is of interest.

OK I agree it breaks the wolfometer.

Also it seems like the wolfy players have spewed Syn town but I’d argue they should still be in the vaguely immediate PoE but maybe that’s because I want my microrreads to be correct.

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Originally Posted by baudib1

Sadly, I think Visor looks pretty good from this.
I?m surprised I haven?t gotten heat but I guess that?s what happens when you have competent players.
(And I did say that people should move back to Zelda)

Are we gonna treat Zelda like he was an outed wolf from the get go and assume he was in antispew the whole time? Or are we just being lazy and waiting for dya to read through his posts?

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I think everything he posted after their first pop in is pretty much wifom and worthless

I kinda doubt SK>Logic>HK ends the game and if it doesn’t I guess I’m at a loss as to where to go, I think everyone else has some vaguely towny going for them.

FTR I don’t trust myself to spew read this cluster of players I don’t know very well.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

To explain this, I have few names I would vote for and I probably wouldn't vote for the rest. I would vote for:

Ladd
SK
Logic
Visor
Eph
Dya
Syn
and maybe C4
and maybe maybe Wisdom

I would prefer the first two to be wagons today, but I guess that's not happening.

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This post proves there?s no such thing as TWTBAW. Also Zelda never mentions me, which is more wolf points for me I guess.

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Originally Posted by baudib1

I kinda doubt SK>Logic>HK ends the game and if it doesn?t I guess I?m at a loss as to where to go, I think everyone else has some vaguely towny going for them.

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Ender/Ephe are worth looking into then. In this order

Its not super clear to me how ladd's on pzelda started, Id would heare more about that tbh. @ladd

*read

I have no tangible reason to think eph is a villager but it just kinda feels like they are one

Apoc would crucify me for this read but luckily he isn t here

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Its not super clear to me how ladd's on pzelda started, Id would heare more about that tbh. @ladd

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Literally from their first 3 posts or so

It felt like a super struggly entrance and then they made some reads and i bought none of them (e.g. the yolo one)

If game turns out to be harder than expected i am gonna raise the bar of whats villagery

But for now the poe looks good to me. Would be p shocked if its not at least 1 wolf there

Ladd clearly showing TMI. Got ‘em.

Ladd and Rask, I’d like you both to talk more about Ender. I kinda buy the idea that they were messy in a villagery way but not totally on board.

No time rn to add to what I said D1, but l8r prolly yeah

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Originally Posted by ladd

I have no tangible reason to think eph is a villager but it just kinda feels like they are one

Apoc would crucify me for this read but luckily he isn t here

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Eph is a likely villager by virtue of not being as wolfy as the clearly wolfy players, but there’s a clear expiration date on that conditional read (approximately when one of the wolfy players flips V).

Pre-catchup notes:
I do not think HK is ever wolf with Pzelda. I read this the other way initially on D1 but I think my reasoning for this applies exactly as well the other way around.

Visor/Raskol jumping on PZelda entrance is probably unpaired too.

Need to do spew analysis.

I still really dislike SK's D1, but haven't viewed it in retrospect of Pzelda flip.

Will be around for like an hour if people wanna talk, but will be mostly catching up + spew read

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Originally Posted by ladd

wisdom died voting me

guess i am outed

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Ggggggggg.

Vote: Ladd

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Originally Posted by ladd

ya sk is almot surely a wolf

i read his big post at eod and i don't think any of the reads he posted are real thoughts

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This strangely sounds like something I already said. =P

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Originally Posted by ladd

for ender it may be silly but i thought this reaction was genuine:




as was his back and forth on zelda/hk wagons. kidna too sloppy/weird to be a wolf

not ruling him out but kinda don't think he is a wolf


hk makes sense as a wolf based on his posting but it doesn't really FEEL right to me. tho who knows, i'd still "peek" him just cause he is always gonna be a talking point

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I'll repeat that I don't think Pzelda's entrance + weird townread on HK is w/w.

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Originally Posted by noraplus

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...32#post6321732

this is probably the weirdest read i've seen sk make as town if anyone wants to read it

it's not completely analogous to the one in this game because he explicitly said that that one wasn't completely serious

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I can understand the sentiment but that doesn't read too much like what I'm seeing this game imo.

I'm gonna nurse a scumread on Syn I think.

Need to double check but my brain is saying that Syn tried to tie me to Pzelda but then tried to derail the wagon on Pzelda anyway.

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Originally Posted by ladd

Ya prob agree

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*Shakes bell*

Because HK is tooooown

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Originally Posted by baudib1

I?m at a total loss on the wisdom kill.

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Feels like the kind of kill that wolves would make when they think they're in the towncore and want to ensure they don't rock that boat.

But that's also possibly wifom so idk bruv

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Originally Posted by ladd

wasnt there a game where monte was on a wolfteam who made a weird kill and monte kept defending the nk itt as good and got outed for it? Or something similar

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Sounds like something I could see happening? But I don't recall the game if it did.

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Originally Posted by baudib1

Also it seems like the wolfy players have spewed Syn town but I?d argue they should still be in the vaguely immediate PoE but maybe that?s because I want my microrreads to be correct.

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Spew doesn't matter if we close our eyes!

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Its not super clear to me how ladd's on pzelda started, Id would heare more about that tbh. @ladd

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I wanna say memory says it felt a lot cleaner than I expect from wolf-Ladd.

Also I will add that Wolf!Ladd is fully capable of pushing my bad villageriness and the fact that he hasn't is strangely a great look.

Like I honestly dunno why wolf!Ladd doesn't see my D1 and then just yeet Pzelda and tie me to that sinking ship so he can yeet me D2.

Unlike last game with Vulgard and the hero shot it probably would've straight worked and I'd be sinking with SK still on the sidelines.

Wait the coffee tell actually caught a wolf.

That's amazing.

I shall never meme on it ever again.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

I find him nervous, trying to land his vote asap.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok, my bad. Just called bunch of people wolves before that vote.
Nervous or Eager, might be both. But right now (and I might be biased) it looks like he's trying too hard to get into the game and maybe get townread by other players while dealing out the minimal amount of townreads himself.
Honestly, it's little early for reads like this, but it is my first impression of Rask.

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Yeah Raskol is spewed so hard town.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok, this changes situation. I'm half-taking my previous comment back.

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This too.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Fair enough.
But I would give some credit to HK for being balls to the wall with that read.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Ok,
I've read everything and I only have this to say. Ender only makes sense as a wolf if he's exactly with HK. But I doubt that. It would be too easy.
There probably is at least one wolf on me too. If I exclude my town leans, It's either Visor or Ladd or EPH, if I remember the votes correctly.
I think Visor came early in and had some ok posts, but I don't see much of a reason behind his vote.
Eph feels simillar-ish but his posts are a tad bit easier to read and include less emojis. So, I probably would vote Visor over him.
Ladd came in late and his posts are full of intentional waffling, which might be nai, but him voting me in a post about HK is meh imho. I don't think he explained it later.

Vote: ladd

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Kinda looks good for Ladd IMO

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Originally Posted by pzelda

What about his most recent town game? Checking only the wolf game feels biased af.
Not that I tr or sr Logic, It's difficult to spit out a conclusion with posts like that.

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Ngl I came into this thinking Logic/Pzelda not w/w but this kinda iffy bruh

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Ngl I came into this thinking Logic/Pzelda not w/w but this kinda iffy bruh

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Why did you think zelda/logic not w/w?

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Originally Posted by ladd

Why did you think zelda/logic not w/w?

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EOD wagons kinda felt like they were actually competing with the back n forth flow.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

Pre-catchup notes:
I do not think HK is ever wolf with Pzelda. I read this the other way initially on D1 but I think my reasoning for this applies exactly as well the other way around.

Visor/Raskol jumping on PZelda entrance is probably unpaired too.

Need to do spew analysis.

I still really dislike SK's D1, but haven't viewed it in retrospect of Pzelda flip.

Will be around for like an hour if people wanna talk, but will be mostly catching up + spew read

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Can you rearticulate why hk is never a wolf with pzelda? Outside of it, what are your reasons to tr him?

I could see you with either fwiw

I think there is an agenda in Ender's most fecent posts (not HK, wisdom kill meaning there is a wolf in the towncore -which towncore are we talking about, trying to rail Syn for a ML)...

Vote: EnderWiggin

This is a good dome.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I think there is an agenda in Ender's most fecent posts (not HK, wisdom kill meaning there is a wolf in the towncore -which towncore are we talking about, trying to rail Syn for a ML)...

Vote: EnderWiggin

This is a good dome.

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... So solving is agenda now?

Lmao.

Also the Wisdom kill thing was because other people were musing about it. If I actually thought that then I wouldn't be sitting here with my townreads, instead I'd be actively looking to poke who in the towncore I think are sus.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Can you rearticulate why hk is never a wolf with pzelda? Outside of it, what are your reasons to tr him?

I could see you with either fwiw

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I still think his play is in line with the previous game.

Pzelda's first initial fucky posts that end up saying nothing until they just have a weirdo hard townread on HK for no reason.

That just isn't w/w.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

Is remarkableness a word? I agree that HK is crying. He's a sensitive fella. Not sure if he lives up north enough to be frozen.

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Originally Posted by pzelda

I wanted to call Syn town for not caring that much, but I think I should actually call HK town for having the same reaction to Syn's entrance (the one about wolves in the thread).

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Originally Posted by pzelda

It means

V - HK
Null - everyone else

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You cannot convince me the above is a wolf entering the thread and talking about another wolf.

What is my agenda Raskol?

Can you double check about Syn pls? I do not recall his EOD as being pushy one way or another but thats maybe on me. I only recall him wanting you atbone point fwiw.

Vote: Silverkeith.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

What is my agenda Raskol?

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I was thinking w!Ender told himself he can project some shaded on the towncore and make Syn happening. But on reread I agree your post about Wisdom reads differently and I may just be tinfoiling.

I do agree hk is much more your partner than pzeldas :curtain:

Its just pzelda/SK/Ender makes a lot of sense :hide:

Gonna read SK again to see how he ends up pushing for Logic... might help me removing Ender or HK from the POE

good morning sunshine~

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Originally Posted by Syn

fake read tbh

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Sideways susses PZelda for a fake read.

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Originally Posted by Syn

soul reads bad

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Rask calls them out for voting Dya after that for no discernable reason.

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Originally Posted by Syn

chief wiggin kinda wolfy

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Start of sus on me

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Originally Posted by Syn

enderwiggin and dyachei

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When asked who the wolves are. (No Pzelda)

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Originally Posted by Syn

vote: EnderWiggin

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Changes vote to me when winds turn against me hard.

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Originally Posted by Syn

weak trio brah

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To Raskol pointing at HK/Logic/Pzelda as a trio.

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Originally Posted by Syn

je supprimerais hollowkatt. il est amusant et tres chaud

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Implies only HK should be removed.

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Originally Posted by Syn

unless his game has cratered in the last year, "polarize and dip" isn't his wolfing tactic. polarize, yes, but not the dipping

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More of above

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Originally Posted by Syn

chopping pzelda is so lame

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Wagon on Pzelda solidifies. This is their response.

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Originally Posted by Syn

vote: Logic

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Joins Logic wagon when it spawns in.

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And that's about all the relevant posts.

I do find their position around PZ weird, but I admit I did have the impression they tied me to PZ more which...

Actually doesn't exist in their ISO.

I think someone else made that call and I'm mixing people up but I will look tomorrow as I need sleep.

My first reaction to the votes on me is that I'm ok with getting lunched today but only if we work from now to eod with the assumption that I'm a villager.

If we do not do that then I'd like to be presented with reasons on why I'm a wolf because what I've been seen is either bad/weak or just doesn't apply to me as a player at all.

Second reaction is to believe that Baudi is a wolf because he approached me differently than the rest of y'all. While the rest of y'all approached with "yeah, sk is just a wolf I guess" with a very lazy surface level 1 go trough the motions approach, I felt like baudi had a more nuanced-ish wolfy approach. Not sure if I really believe this tho.

Logic might be a wolf. I think his posting fits that of a wolf but don't currently feel that's the case. I liked his reaction to the poison. A part of me thinks it'd be interesting just assuming he's a v and let him die but also putting like a mental censor on his existence might be best for solving. Don't think it matters that much. Idk how to word this better sorry this is non-derogatory.

Ok. SK wanted Logic because their posting was bad (nvm pzeldas lol) then voted the later for science.

Also I really dont know what to do about SKs read on Ephe D1. But its noted and need to be revisted in case SK flips red.

@Ephemeral: why did u want Logic over pzelda?

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Originally Posted by ladd

Alrighty then who are the wolves?

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sk is a good vote. Wisdom is also a good vote.

Unordered between tiers

Ladd
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Syn
Eph
Ender
C4
Rask
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Dya
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HK
Visor
Yolo
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Baudi

I guess I'm rereading D1 for a bit. I'm bothered by the 5 player townie clump I've got because I vaguely feel they are townie but got no strong reasons to really clear any of them. I haven't talked about Ender I think but I feel his current approach is townie.

I also don't think HK/Visor/Yolo are paired between themselves for their D2 approach of instavoting me. There's at most one wolf there.

If logic is a wolf the spot for the last one opens up a bit I guess.