Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

Well, unfortunately my total victory has been prolonged another day and night.

Kudos to Renata for managing to corrupt another Jedi before I killed you; you have made my impending victory all the sweeter. I had a feeling it was you all along.

There are three players left living. One of them is a Jedi, one of them is a Sith, and the last is me- and I am neither of those factions.

I have a good idea which is the Sith and which is the Jedi, but it really doesn't matter. Both sides need my assistance in order to win. Neither side can afford to waste time trying to kill me.

Vote: Chaotix

Basically, I decide who wins. This lynch is only consequential if either Nightbringer or wideyedwanderer are lacking Force Breath. So, state your cases. Who should I bring with me to victory?

Have you forgotten about us already, Chaotix?

Vote 1 Jedi - we make the world go round!

I agree with chaotix.

Vote: Chaotix

Well, obviously I, being the THIRD Ewok from the LEFT, could never be a sith lord. The explanation for this is quite simple. Sith hate the number three. They love the number two. You'll notice that there are always 2 sith at a time, and that Darth Maul wielded a light saber with, not three, but TWO blades. (And I made a great pun!)

so obviously I am not the sith, but who could it be????

Wideyedwanderer of course! Only a sith would mix concrete!

I actually laughed out loud from that write up pizza, fantastic work!

Seriously though, the only evidence for me not being a Sith I can offer is that I was attacked by one last night. I attacked Renata last night using makashi and twin niman styles, but failed. Renata and someone else then attacked me during the night. Unless the attacks were done by yourself and Csargo I must have been attacked by the sith last night and therefore could not be one of them.


Chaotix calmost certainly isn't a sith, why on earth would he still be killing other sith if he was?



However..

Perhaps we should not assume there is another sith in the game.
After all, we know that chaotix is a dark Jedi, and they have a separate win outcome from basic townies, neutral victory. I think it is quite possible that the game has not ended simply because chaotix is still opposed to the jedi order even with all sith dead.
Does anyone have information that would contribute to this? Chaotix certainly has posted in a manner that would force it into a either me or WeW dies situation, but perhaps he is simply trying to escape being caught out.
So, for the time being
vote: chaotix

If you have somehow become town aligned chaotix, simply kill WeW tonight, the last sith will be dead, the game will end, I will be proven wrong, and we will win.

For someone to have claimed to attain light side enlightenment, you are not jedi. I doubt you are dark jedi now.

However, out of the two, I'd probably say Night.

I urge all force ghosts, both sith and jedi/dark jedi, to vote for Chaotix.

Simply being grandmaster does not mean innocence.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

For someone to have claimed to attain light side enlightenment, you are not jedi. I doubt you are dark jedi now.

However, out of the two, I'd probably say Night.

I urge all force ghosts, both sith and jedi/dark jedi, to vote for Chaotix.

Simply being grandmaster does not mean innocence.

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You should specify whether you advocate killing or not killing me
:)

Also, do you agree with the analysis that the game would not end if he were a dark jedi?

I reckon it's Nightbringer - go for the kill!

Time for a fitting tune. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXxcPtTlYQQ

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

I reckon it's Nightbringer - go for the kill!

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How could it be me when I was attacked by two sith last night?

Csargo, Chaotix, did either of you attack me last night?
If not, then I WAS attacked by a sith, two people attacked me last night, Renata has to have been one of them if neither chaotix nor csargo attacked me. That would mean I could not be the sith because Renata would not have attacked me then.

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

You should specify whether you advocate killing or not killing me
:)

Also, do you agree with the analysis that the game would not end if he were a dark jedi?

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I do not know.

I advocate killing Chaotix, I have a feeling I had at the end of the prequel to this. Jacin and Kyp have a bad feeling about this.

They both share a unhealthy desire concerning Nomi as well...I claim innocence in that regard...

As the dark side i Vote: Chaotix let it be the dark side or the light side that will win. No reason for some miserable dark jedi to win who are not evil enough for the Sith, nor good enough for the Jedi.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

As the dark side i Vote: Chaotix let it be the dark side or the light side that will win. No reason for some miserable dark jedi to win who are not evil enough for the Sith, nor good enough for the Jedi.

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Kyaha...kyahahahahahaha...sure. Certainly.

Vote: Chaotix.

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Originally Posted by Seon

Kyaha...kyahahahahahaha...sure. Certainly.

Vote: Chaotix.

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If Chaotix survives the lynch i urge for both the remaining Sith and Jedi to attack him tonight.Then may the best mafia player convince the force ghosts to decide the winner.There is no reason to settle for any less for either the jedi or Sith. Chaotix is nothing but the lesser option for both sides.

Congratulations, Chaotix. You deserve it as much as we do.

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I have to say I'm surprised at Renata being a Sith. You have lurked well, master.

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Thank you. :bow: I wish I had lurked a little less, honestly, though it largely wasn't under my control. (HUUUUUUUUUUGGEEEE time issues over the past couple of weeks. I think I was doing a respectable job keeping up appearances up to then.)

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Originally Posted by wideyedwanderer

I am now a Jedi master and I have gained the ability to vig attack. So if you want me to defend or attack or coordinate something with someone, let me know. I'm currently planning on attacking Diana tonight if I can't think of anything better to do. She's hardly contributed, so if she's Innocent, it won't be a big loss. Yet she's voted enough to avoid the WoG. So if we could vig her it will at least get rid of a lurker. Killing an Innocent will probably push me closer to the dark side, but at this stage of the game, I don't think it really matters. I've sent a similar message to Cecil, just fyi.

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Originally Posted by wideyedwanderer

I hope you were joking about working with Kage. We can still win.

I used Drain Knowledge on Double A last night, and I got force persuasion from him, an active ability that senses if someone can be turned to the dark side. What do you make of this?

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

I am now a jedi master and have no active abilities. I am not going to reveal my specialization or active defenses because i am worried the mafia somehow have access to your information. I'm not sure what else i can tell you because i dont really have much else to tell. without active abilities i have only been able to use in thread behavior to determine who might be sith, and have not been communicating privately with anyone. if you want more info, just let me know what you need, and i will do what i can.

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

it feels odd to me to, but everything ive gotten seems to be very defense oriented, so maybe that is why. of course, i suppose they all would be given them being active defenses. im guessing im going to get an active ability in the next couple nights though, if i survive that is.
oh, and i do have force breath, i forgot to mention that before. it seems like most people do though

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Neither of them seemed scum free in these PMs.

The lack of active abilities was a weird point, but the hesitation regarding leaks could point either way.

WEW's first PM is off, but his second kind of cancels it out, or pushes it further in the off direction. Definately a tactic, go to the town 'good guy' for info you already know, to appear as if you dont.

I dunno. If everyone that was a force ghost was a townie, then I'd support the chaotix lynch, but since we know that at least two ghosts know who the final sith is... Or is it 3?

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Neither of them seemed scum free in these PMs.

The lack of active abilities was a weird point, but the hesitation regarding leaks could point either way.

WEW's first PM is off, but his second kind of cancels it out, or pushes it further in the off direction. Definately a tactic, go to the town 'good guy' for info you already know, to appear as if you dont.

I dunno. If everyone that was a force ghost was a townie, then I'd support the chaotix lynch, but since we know that at least two ghosts know who the final sith is... Or is it 3?

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Keep in mind that whoever the last Sith is, he couldn't have been converted until after Psychonaut was killed. At least one of those had to have been before that, right?

Cant be bothered to cross-check the times. Probably all are. :laugh4:

Not to intrude, since I am not sure how much I can say, but, aren't you all forgetting that if what Chaotix says is true, then lynching him means the Sith win? Conversely, if you lynch the Sith then the town wins, or Chaotix wins. If you lynch the last town, Chaotix and/or the Sith win.

Basically, Chaotix will only lose if he dies, and if he dies, then the town loses. So the town can only win with Chaotix, but will lose virtually every other way.

We can also assume Chaotix is NOT lying, because the town would have already lost last night - if Chaotix does not count towards town victory then the mafia would automatically win, as per normal rules.

Also, let us say that We can remove Chaotix without automatically losing - you are still betting against the town because any final confrontation between the last townie and last mafioso will invariably favor the mafioso due to the unique rules for the game.

As a confirmed town from night 6, who hasn't payed much attention because I lost interest in watching the town rip itself apart, I'd like to come out and say - please think on this one. Don't throw away a victory every side worked hard for just to spite Chaotix "because you can't trust him".

I don't know who is the last Sith, I'm not in the loop, but it's not Chaotix.

Meh, you know what? Unvote. Vote: Wideyedwanderer. 'tis a leap of faith.

Oh the noes! It appears you've figured out my devious plan! You guys really should have listened to pevergreen when he kept saying to kill me.

Now, however, it is too late. I will be frank; neither wideyedwanderer nor Nightbringer have the power to kill me, not even together. Not even with the Sith's fancy new Dark Side powers.

And I do have a contingency plan. I have Force Ghost. If I die, it will be because of the Sith's attack. So if you somehow manage to kill me, I will reveal who the Sith is in public. Remember, I don't impede either of your victory conditions. If the Jedi wastes time attacking me, the Sith may kill him. Likewise there is a chance that the Jedi could kill the Sith if he wastes his attack on me.

So you all ought to cooperate. Today, we lynch someone who has Force Breath. Tonight, I decide who I would rather bring with me to victory.

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

How could it be me when I was attacked by two sith last night?

Csargo, Chaotix, did either of you attack me last night?
If not, then I WAS attacked by a sith, two people attacked me last night, Renata has to have been one of them if neither chaotix nor csargo attacked me. That would mean I could not be the sith because Renata would not have attacked me then.

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I had everybody attacking each other last night.

In a perfect world, at least three of you would be dead and this game would be over. Unfortunately, none of your puny lightsabers can actually hurt anyone, so only my attacks on Renata and Csargo actually succeeded.

Chaotix, don't make assumptions you don't know the variables to. Also, don't let you're ego get in the way - the game didn't get to this point just because you masterminded the whole thing. Although the town is in a precarious position, that doesn't stop them from doing something you wouldn't expect. Don't make a possible town victory bittersweet, and don't Deus ex Machina the Sith into losing - that's unsportsmanlike IMHO.

YLC, you revealed nothing illegal, but as you've dropped from the game and been informed of things you wouldn't otherwise know, any post of yours is not allowed if it contains any opinion whatsoever about the game. I am quite thankful, for the sake of the game, and for the players involved, that you cannot be sure if your advice is useful or not. Otherwise I'd be a bit more upset by this.

Already spoke to you about this privately, so I'll just repeat it here and make it official; if I have spoken to anyone about the mechanics of the game and inner workings which you wouldn't otherwise be entitled to, because you've dropped from the game, that brings with it the explicit (always explicit, I don't open my mouth unless you promise not to post) understanding that we don't post about the game anymore.

:bow:

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Originally Posted by YLC

Chaotix, don't make assumptions you don't know the variables to. Also, don't let you're ego get in the way - the game didn't get to this point just because you masterminded the whole thing. Although the town is in a precarious position, that doesn't stop them from doing something you wouldn't expect. Don't make a possible town victory bittersweet, and don't Deus ex Machina the Sith into losing - that's unsportsmanlike IMHO.

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As much as I would like to make a snarky comment about this whole post, I feel you are right on some levels.

My ego is definitely in the way of my better judgement; I haven't won yet. Also, the more I gloat the more both sides will want to kill me.

So, I will endeavor to leave all of my triumphant mockery until the end of the game, and play out the rest of this phase in style. It is still possible for either the Jedi or the Sith to win during this phase, depending on who has Force Breath and who you decide to lynch. I don't know who has Force Breath, so I can't help you out there. Perhaps wideyedwanderer and Nightbringer would like to share.

Lynching anyone with Force Breath is tantamount to leaving the outcome of the game in my hands; therefore I encourage it.

vote: Chaotix?

I will share something though, Chaotix wouldn't be able to survive a second lynch... :yes:

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

I had everybody attacking each other last night.

In a perfect world, at least three of you would be dead and this game would be over. Unfortunately, none of your puny lightsabers can actually hurt anyone, so only my attacks on Renata and Csargo actually succeeded.

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Hai guys

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Chop suey!

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Which, being dead and not a force ghost, is something you aren't allowed to reveal. :p