Shogun Total War mod for MTW-VI

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Quote[/b] ]Pyrodingo
those unit stats look reasonable, i'll forward them to the two guys that were playtesting unit balance

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Great, I hope they'll be of help. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

I've also been looking at building requirements lately and I did a few changes there so I'll mention them as well. The gunpowder unit requirements are slightly too high IMO, the date restriction on them is enough. I dropped Portuguese Matchlock to level one trader and then Japanese Matchlock and lvl 2 Gunsmith to level one armourer. Having Japanese Matchlock require a higher level armourer than Naginata didn't make much sense to me.

Next, I took away the iron requirement for armourer (I know this has been mentioned before I'm just saying everything I did). I also eliminated the armourer prereq for Nag. Cavalry because they already had enough requirements and if Heavy Cav. didn't need armourer then they definetly didn't either.

The Hatamoto needed to be harder to tech up to so I dropped the Yari building req. (they use swords don't they?) and increased the horse breeder req. to level 2. This way you need to get a higher level castle to obtain them.

The last change I did was probably the biggest one. I couldn't believe how hard it was to get Battlefield Ninjas so I had to modify a few things. First of all it truly is unfair that they require 2 turns to build, it's not like we have to be afraid of the enemy mass producing them, they aren't capable of being the backbone of an army. Also, the prereqs to their building was switched to level 6 castle and level 2 ninja dojo. This way the battlefield ninja dojo becomes the third and final building in the battlefield ninja line of buildings(makes it more similar to the rest of the tech tree). The building should also offer a 2 valour upgrade to the B. Ninjas as all other 3rd level buildings do.

Finally, I hope a third trade and gunsmith building will be added in the future, as well as more shipyards for additional boats. In closing, I believe all units should get valour upgrades from a specific line of buildings with a maximum of 2 valour, this system seems to work well and noone should be left out. Once again I hope this stuff helps. Keep up the great work Barocca. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...-2thumbsup.gif

I just downloaded Beta 5 version of the mod and noticed that prereqs for naginata units were changed. Honestly, I think they were perfect before except for the armour requirement on Nag. Cavalry. The additional Trade building requirements just seem to be too much. I obviously don't know why this was changed but if you could provide me with an explanation it would be much appreciated.

Sorry for posting 3 times in a row, but I just did some valour testing and thought I'd share this information.

First of all, ships don't seem to be able to get provincial valour bonuses because I got 0 valour kitamae in Sado. More importantly though, valour bonuses received from high level buildings don't seem to work the way they should. When a unit has the lowest level building of the building chain that will be giving it valour upgrades as a prereq, the unit will receive its valour the way you'd expect it to ( +1 val. for lvl 2 build. and +2 val. for lvl 3 build.). However, when a unit's prereq is the second building in the chain, then everything is different ( 0 val. for lvl 2 build. and +1 val. for lvl 3 build.).

As an example, both Yari and Naginata Cav. get valour bonuses from the Horse breeder chain of buildings. But, Yari cavalry only has a lvl 1 building requirement in that chain so when you get the famous upgrade, Yari cav. will get +1 valour but Naginata cav. WILL NOT http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/frown.gif . They will get their +1 bonus with the legendary upgrade, which is when Yari cav. will get its +2 bonus. Now you can see that there is a problem. Higher tech units will not be able to get as high valour bonuses from buildings, which is a serious disadvantage.

I don't know if you guys already knew this, but I thought I'd share this info just in case.

the corpses dont appear because i have not yet made them appear,
there is a bug in medieval that forces the game to ONLY display corpses for units listed in the crusader_unit_prod file, (its way more complicated than that, too hard to explain in detail without access to my notes)
many viking units are listed in that file, some are not,
those that are not will not get corpses.

i cannot recall which changes i made to the tech tree, you will have to explain further, - i dont have access to my mod myself at the moment, it is on the other pc whose cpu went belly up yesterday and i need to get those drives into an ata machine so i can recover the data.

the tech tree may yet get some tweaking, naginata cav are armoured, heavy cav are armoured, they should both require either an armoury or a trade post, so you can trade for the armour.
(i'll have to check what tech tree is in beta5 when i get those drives copied across)
down teching the units requirements is something i am happy for people to adjust, but be aware that the final version is intended to be playable online,
in order to play online all participants will need the same tech tree or the connection will fail.

i made the guns require a decent tech level so that players are unlikely to have all province ready for them when their arrival time comes around, forcing players to balance their funds so they can hire merc units until they get their factories built.

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Quote[/b] ]The Hatamoto needed to be harder to tech up to so I dropped the Yari building req. (they use swords don't they?) and increased the horse breeder req. to level 2. This way you need to get a higher level castle to obtain them.

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i like this, if i forget to make this in the next release please remind me again.

in order for nagi cav to get a +2 valour bonus i would need a fourth building upgade, which means yari cav would get a +3 from that upgrade,
i'll have a think about that later, again remind me to look into it should i forget.

all for now, off to rest a bit, (just in from work)
i may think of more things later...
cheers,
B.

Any clue when that might be(the next release)

Sorry i know you probably get that a lot, it's a complement -really. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Playing with nip warriors armed with yari, bow and katana is a sweet solution for this weekend http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

Could you tell me where will I find all files needed to play? I think there are a couple of versions and parts, not only on 7th page of this thread...
Maybe somewhere is zip file with a complete last version of files?

Beta 5, the latest version, is here -

http://www.mizus.com/Files/k0rgs8gVt...ETA5_20nov.zip

70MB

I just downloaded beta 5 last night and it is a great mod. I was particularly happy that the kensai (spelling?) weren't the giants they were in STW.

I do have a question regarding the Hatamoto I was hoping someone could help me with. Are these fellas a weak unit? I've only played a few battles with them, but one of my heir's unit of Hatamoto were wiped out by a unit of archers. I assumed these guys were equal to the Heavy Cav from STW. But I can't imagine Heavy Cav being destroyed by archers, especially when I attacked the archers from behind. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/mecry.gif

perhaps the archer had high honour and weapon upgrades?

Hatamoto are usually quite tough,
they are based on heavy cavalry, although fractionally faster, (the best horses only for Daimyo's and Heirs)

their arrows are armour piercing so they make a good counter to naginata infantry,

they only carry a few arrows though,
so be wise with who you get them to shoot at.

B.

Are there any new units for beta 5? Also what new factions are there?

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Quote[/b] (barocca @ June 25 2004,10:50)]perhaps the archer had high honour and weapon upgrades?

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I don't think the archers had too many if any upgrades. It was only a few turns into the game. The enemy general was an 8 or 9 star wonder, but so was mine. So I'm not really sure. Might have just been bad luck. I was curious if the Hatamoto were more horse archer or heavy cav, sounds like they are a happy combination of both. I'll try to use them as a more surgical strike team in the future.

BTW Thanks for responding so quickly barocca.

I'm just waiting for a deadpage thingy for this mod ... then i can play it. anyone know when one of these is coming?

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Quote[/b] (ChErNoByl @ June 25 2004,11:23)]I'm just waiting for a deadpage thingy for this mod ... then i can play it. anyone know when one of these is coming?

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one has been written,
the fellow keeps meaning to email it to me,
but he keeps forgetting...

i know he has done it, he was over the moon when he emailed me, but he forgot to attatch it and - (i think he's blond like me) - he keeps forgetting...

B.

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Quote[/b] (SirGonkSevenT3 @ June 25 2004,10:44)]...The enemy general was an 8 or 9 star wonder, but so was mine...

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i have Got to get off my lazy butt and do something about those generals...
too many, too good, too soon....

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Quote[/b] (barocca @ June 25 2004,12:29)]i have Got to get off my lazy butt and do something about those generals...
too many, too good, too soon....

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Is it particularly difficult to do something about that? If it doesn't require too much knowledge about modding I'd be happy to help. I had planned to go into the mod's files later today when I got home and have a look at it all to see if I couldn't do something about it for myself. I've done a little modding, mostly unit stats and projectile stats (I've always thought the MTW ballista should go through the poor soul it hits and get the guy behind him as well). But recently I started playing around with adding heroes and kings and such. So I imagine with some minor direction I could find a way to assist.

Also, if you need artwork for the units I fancy myself a bit of an artist. I noticed some posts where you were mentioning glitches with some of the unit animations and colors.

Thanks, DCB http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wave.gif

Barocca did a great jobhttp://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/bigthumb.gif
I spent a couple of hours leading Shimazu. Battles aren't so big as in many mods, but I like it New buildings and techtree seems to be good - I need more time to think about balance.

I cannot send PM and I don't know the e-mail of the creator STW mod, so I write down some small but strange things:
1. Ships from Satsuma appear on Yasushigo Sea, but port is next to Kagoshima Bay.
2. Something's wrong with Chikuzen - I cannot take my soldiers using the port and ships (no enemy ships in my way).
3. I was happy when I assaulted stone castle and I saw small wooden fort. Is it normal? When appear real stone castle?
4. Hatamoto have longer range than samurai archers. Is that element of balance or some historic truth?
5. Is there an original nip title parallel to lord? I see almost all nip names, except this lord... It's not important, I'm just curious ;) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...s/gc-clown.gif

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Thanks for this mode (My girlfriend hate this game again ;) )

Yes, the nip paralel for Lord is Tono. A Japanese landlord, is called daimyo.

Also please take the time to type Japanese, instead of using such a racist term for them. Theres enough hatred for nips already in the American south. We dont need it on the Org.

Sorry, I didn't mind it's rude word. I think jap could be also racist, so I'll avoid it. Sorry again. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...cons/frown.gif

I've noticed that in STW mod lord title is called No-Kami. But in commanders table we have lords.
I found also that province Suo has problem with sea transport like Chikuzen.

BTW, I finished my first game on the highest level in 47 years. I didn't smell powder ;)

Sorry for putting one post after another, but I cannot find out how to edit my last post - I've checked rules and FAQ, maybe I don't see the instruction because of my awful english or I'm blind http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif

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To make the STW mod more challenging I changed for myself some stuff:
- I build in all rebel provinces standard building with castle number 7 (which is wooden http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...nquisitive.gif ) ;
- I gave them 8 units of mixed forces (per land);
- I bump up the rebellion factor in all provinces (+2) ;
- I changed unit size to get all 100 men units;
- I cut supply cost to get 50 koku units (better infantry)and 25 koku units (yari ashigaru, X-bows and arquebusiers); cavalry costs about 100 koku per year;
- I cut creating cost of units - 100 men of cheap units costs 150-250, better infantry - 500-1000, cavalry 900-1200;
- I changed Florins to koku http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif
- I corrected some stats for units (just my vision of balanced game ;)
- I decreased the propability of leadership - now almost all clans got just one 8-stars leader;
- I increase range of ships (because of small sea regions), I cut down building time of ships and building cost - to give a chance to poor clans - I don't know it will work correct.

Now I have more calculations, more battles, true risk of rebellion and no quick expansion. After 25 years I took 5 provinces and I think almost all Japan is divided by ten clans and each one has 4-8 provinces... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...ns/biggrin.gif

I think the problem with the high star gens lies in the way too powerful titles and the overpowered patron gens.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif
Basically I would advice to stick with the policy of only using famous heroes with only 4 command or lower and with famous kings avoiding to go over 6. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif
Especially the first kings should maybe be a bit uncompetent even. (3-4 star) It would mostly cancel the chance of gettin' super heirs immediately and gettin' a 8 star heir would come by hard work.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/wink.gif

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Quote[/b] (uksiu @ June 27 2004,02:05)]Sorry for putting one post after another, but I cannot find out how to edit my last post - I've checked rules and FAQ, maybe I don't see the instruction because of my awful english or I'm blind http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cg...icons/cool.gif

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U cant edit yet because you are still a junior parton. Once u get promotted so to speak you'll be able to edit/delete your post's.

Apologies Barocca I am so slack in my reply to your post. Do I understand correctly? ( I have no idea about modding ) Is it not possible to have both versions of Mongol Cav units? If it is possible I would like to see Golden Horde Heavy Cav and STW/MI Mongol Heavy Cav. You could rename Golden Horde units as 'Imperial' or 'Yuan'

Would the following work? ....

Korean Spearmen
Korean Guards
Korean Skirmishers
Thunder Bombers
Imperial Archers ( Golden Horde Warriors )

Imperial Heavy Cav ( G/H )...armed with sword or polearm
Mongol Heavy Cav ( STW/MI )...armed with a lance
Imperial Horse Archers ( G/H ) armed with a bow
Mongol Horse Archers ( STW/MI ) armed with a bow

As the Mongol Cav were highly trained I would expect them to be reliable, disciplined units. As for the two Horse Archer units ( I just had variety in mind really ) but perhaps their stats could be adjusted, possibly making, say, Imperial Horse Archers better in defense and Mongol Horse Archers better in attack.

With the Heavies, Imperials and Mongols could be a bit like the Japanese Heavy / Naginata, with Mongols being faster, lighter armoured swift, shock Cav. Imperials could take the role of breaking weakened units and holding, similar to the Japanese Heavy Cav

....Orda

Lol, Orda why'd you change your ava? I got used to asscoiating your name with that Monogol Horse Archer pic.

Anyways, I like Orda's idea alot. I'd stick with Yuan though. And give the Yuan heavies polearms. That would add some nice variety. Plus, I'm pretty sure Song/Yuan cavalry of the time wouldve used polearms.

Oh and barocca, I know you were making a fanatical warrior monk type faction alled Ho-Ganji or something? If so heres a good fanaitc unit for ya.

Masakari Sohei

They'll use a masakari which is a Japanese battle axe usually used only by warrior monks as samurai preferred the bow, katana, yari or naginata. The masakari was a very long handled weapon, and I looked through Medieval and found that the halberd that the halberdiers use should work just fine. All thats gotta be done for them, is just reuse the warrior monk BIF, which i think you said you could, and add the halberd to them. They should have excellent morale, an excellent attack but terrible defence.

Also id my typing sucks, please excuse. I fried my fingers to a crisp with a firework yesterday...

sounds like a top mod,but the link doesnt work :(((

Yup, the download link is broken. I was looking forward to this...

Anyone know if it's going to be fixed? The link I mean.

Try the link on the Org file download pages. Worked for me.


Anyways Borrca just wanted to say great mod from what I've played of it so far....

I just have one question... though my knowledge of modding is next to nil so I'd appreciate if this is too hard to do but... as in Shogun WE/MI when the Mod is on it's final version will there be different starting Era's to choose from?

In shogun I always liked to start from th earliest years available so that I could grow into my Clan graduly and Shape Japan from the get go. Thats just my playstyle though. I felt a little trust into the deepend with your mod. Things seemed to be built up a little more than I'm used to when I start out my claim for shogunate.

Just a little personal request :) If not though I'll adapt soon enough. Once again great mod

got it now,top banana

I really want to download this mod, What is the newest version where can I get it, where are the older versions I need for this game, You should really, on the first page, put the link to all the downloads so they are easy to acess, at least think about it. https://forums.totalwar.org/forum/no...cons/wacko.gif

Haha can someone give me the link for this. It looks cool and I miss Shogun since I don't have it anymore.