New factions?

An Irish faction would be sick. It's pretty much inevitable that you conquer the British Isles city by city. An Irish faction would shake things up a bit. A belgae faction could also make things interesting.

I had an idea for the KH- Instead of a faction with all of them, you could consider making Athens and Sparta and maybe a couple more of those cities (I'm not too familiar with their politics and strengths at the time) independent factions allied in the beginning. If you played as Athenians, you would start out with just Athens and you could break your alliances when you chose and conquer the pennesula. It kind of takes care of the problem of the fragile alliance becoming a stable empire and each city could have unique units.

I think you'll get AI problems.

Imagine playing on VH/M as Sparta, with three full-stack Makedonian armies on your borders.

I think the KH should stay as it is, though you do make a valid point, and I wouldn't really mind if it went that way.

That's a good point. I'm sure that could be worked around, though. Or shit, if you want to play as Athens in 272, expect to have to heroically defeat a Mak stack in your first few turns.

MY vote is for additional Northern Central/Eastern factions to spice up that area. An improved Getai factions would also be nice, as they always seem to capture about three cities, hold them for a little bit, and then get smoked by Macedon or Germany, but Macedon mainly. I can understand the rapid German expansion even if I've never seen the AI actually do this. Generally, I think the center part of the map is good. If we have any more hellenic factions such as Syracuse or Rhodes the middle of the map will become more packed than it already is. The Numidians to limit the inevitable Carthagian expansion would be nice. I mean, dunno about you guys, but I've never seen Carthagenot do well. I've also heard differently from other people, but the Avernii and the Auedi (spelling, I know. I'm talking about the two Gallic factions) seem to roll over really easily whenever the AI plays them. Heck, even the Casse beats em'.

-Another British faction so the Casse have a real enemy at the beginning of the game
-The Numidians to put the brakes on seemingly endless Carthaginian expansion
-Additional steppe factions to add some flavor
-Beefed up Getai that can hold their own against the Hellenes and Germans (and Romani later on)
-Moderately beefed up Gallc factions

Let's be honest, there really ain't a whole lot to fix about EB, but those are just my suggestions.

- Goths (or some other German tribe
- A Goidelic (Irish) tribe
- Numidia
- Possibly (!) Illyria (it is awfully crowded there...)
- Random another nomad faction (Skythia, rising again? Alans? Yuezhi?)
- Galatians (everyone loves Galatians!)
- The Belgae
- Pergamon
(- Bosphoran Kingdom?)

Err, some of those. I think it read somewhere they had chosen seven out of the ten (I'ven't been following the development of EBII pretty much at all, I admit) new factions, so, dunno. Those'd just be the ones I'd personally most likely consider adding, from both historical and gameplay-based POVs (for example, there were several German tribes and the Goths would prevent the Sweboz from advancing too far to the east... But then again, the tribes were small, etc, and not exactly very important/influencial during the "EB time").

Hrm. I'll blame my tiredness for all the typos et cetera, it's 2:25 and I'm heading to bead now. 8D

I'd like to see an emerging Judean faction to simulate the Hasmonean revolt. But this is probably a dumb idea.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=89290

no emerging factions and no judeans, sorry :no:

Ah, I see. Thanks for the info then

I would like to see Noricum as a faction and maybe one of the western greek colonies like Massilia. I dunnot know whether they were strong enough to be considerable for a faction here but I think the mix of celtic and greek troops would be quite interesting. Ah and maybe a Numidian faction?

There are so many factions that would be great, but here are my top ones based on what has been said.

-Boii in Noricum to hinder the Romans and Sweboz.
-Numidia to channel Carthage overseas.
-Bosphoran Kingdom would just be cool and would liven up the Pontic/Steppe region.
-Scythia, still alive (barely) but could help slow ridiculous expansion by Hounds of Woden.
-Pergamon or Galations in Asia Minor to fight the Grey Death.
-Belgae, except that this works against the other Gallic factions.
-Thracian tribe or Balkan Celtic tribe to hem in the Greek factions.
-Cyrene to help stop the never ending Sand Wars.

factions that are cool but sort of serve counter purposes to playability.
-Belgae
-Illyria
-Rhodes
-Massilia
-Goidaels

That's all I have so far.

Chairman

Save for Central Europe, the map is pretty much full.

A new faction in Asia Minor would be an absolute "no" for me. The region allows for only a little expansion that might give Pontos some teeth, or allow for the glorious return of the Lesbian Makedons after routinesly losing Pella to the Epeirote mercanery mob.

The same would be for the Southern and Western Balkans: Thrakia would be fine by the units but would block off that little expansion that we have by the Getai, about the same would be for Illyria.

Scythia would be the third Nomad faction. The RTW model didn't really support the idea, may be the M2 does, with it's free upkeep units? If not there shouldn't be more factions of that kind.

The Bosporian Greeks would be fine. But here again we have the problem,where to expand to? I think the AI would always head into Russia what would look somewhat odd for a Greek faction.

The Bastarnoz would be fine, on the other hand. I think, players won't mind to have a Barbarian faction controlling these hinterland provinces. Even though it would be a little early for a Germanic Empire in this region.

All the candidates for the Central European theatre were allready named. At least one faction (but may be not more) between the Alps and the Baltics should make it in.

The Italian Greeks in the form of Syracusae are another option. We allready have to (should-be) strong factions there with the Romans and Karthago, but both seem to ignore the region for the first decades of the game. A faction that starts there could bring some movement in.

The Casse could need an "anti-faction" as well. The Sweboz too. A second Germanic faction would represent the situation there better than the single empire that we usually have there around 260, in particular when both are run by the AI.

Still sulking over the fact that shadow Roman rebels won't make the cut :thumbsdown: I realize there aren't enough slots to give every faction a shadow and it's not fair to do it to some but not others, but I really wanted big bloody Roman civil wars as the Republic got unwieldy in the late years. By the time Marian legions come into play the Romans must own so many provinces that a civil war would be one of the only ways an AI faction could challenge them IMO. Wish you guys would reconsider this.

I would really love to see (and play) either Pergamon or Syracusa as a faction, however understand there may be some gameplay issues with this - perhaps a few more cities/towns in those respective areas might make it more possible? I have no idea how many regions can be supported by the MedII engine.

As for factions that are needed to help prevent ahistoric expansion - one that challenges the Sweboz is an obvious first with possibly an Irish faction to spice up the isles to the west, which are generally dead unless occupied by a human player.
A Numidian faction to challenge Karthadast, who though generally fairly quiet are always massive and completely unchallenged in Africa.

Apart from that anything else would really be a bonus!

Best of luck, though from your effort with EB1 I know you won't really need it :2thumbsup:

MTW2 allows 1 less city than the current amount in EB.

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MTW2 allows 1 less city than the current amount in EB.

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Nope, allows exactly the same. 199 land provinces + 1 sea province.

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Nope, allows exactly the same. 199 land provinces + 1 sea province.

Foot

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whats a sea province?

Like ... the sea.

Foot

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Like ... the sea.

Foot

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im sorry for being thick i just cant figure how the sea province can be actually used, how it works:dizzy2:

I don't understand your question. What do you mean "used"? Do you mean the files that reference it. Essentially it is a colour in descr_regions which gives it the property of being the sea (and so ships can be spawned there and harbours can be built on its edge and shipping lanes can exist there). Don't understand what else is there.

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I don't understand your question. What do you mean "used"? Do you mean the files that reference it. Essentially it is a colour in descr_regions which gives it the property of being the sea (and so ships can be spawned there and harbours can be built on its edge and shipping lanes can exist there). Don't understand what else is there.

Foot

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yep, that answered my question, thanks

I did not read the whole thread ..

Ok, I am for One faction from INDIA and on that and if 'could' be realated to CHINA in any way.. Also, I could EB team could make more faction's in Europe and Some Small city kingdom's everywhere, but I am really voting for one more 'International' view for one of the best RTW mod's ever! :san_wink:

A lot of focus, as usual, is directed towards Europe when this topic is discussed which IMHO is a strategical dead-end. EB already portrays this region well enough.

The introduction of Sabaeans made the whole south-eastern part of the map more enjoyable and more efforts like these would be preferred.
Introducing a Nubian kingdom like the Meroitic state is an excellent idea. It stretched from the 2nd cataract well beyond the 6th. And a thriving kingdom around the Axum region (SE Nubia/ W Ethiopia) would be implementable too. How about the Libyans then?

In W.Africa around Morocco, Mauritania, Algeria and through the Atlas mountain range there where several berber kingdoms, like the Numidians, and atleast one of them deserves some representation.
Personally I´d also like to see some emergant states scripted at historical date.

I´ve studied Egypts ancient history extensively for 20 years and we always ignore the tremendous trade and influence of the Read Sea region, Africas horn and inner Africa had on the "civilized world" back then. Take the Phoenicians and later Carthaginians for example. There is a reason why the founded cities all over Africa. Maybe our knowledge of these areas is just too scarce for us to fully comprehend and "feel" for a faction from these regions?!

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I take it you haven't read the entire thread. ~;)

It's been made clear by the team that

• There won't be any African factions (Kush, Meroe, Axum...) due to the engine's restrictions (culture)
• There won't be emergent or unplayable factions for all of them will be playable from the beginning.

As for me, assuming that CA release a Kingdoms version not infested with the malware Securom and thus I play EBII, I would like to see another barbarian faction to counterbalance the Swêboz, the Casse or Lusotana, if not all of them. Another nomadic faction would help too.

I feel itchy about Koinon Hellenon and would prefer the city-states proper, in some sort of a league Kingdoms is supposed to support if possible, but the team discarded that option too.

What I would not want is another Hellenistic faction on top of the present 7, particularly in Mikrasia. Just in case:

If somebody concludes that I have anything against the Hellenistic culture from this statement, solely concerned by game balance, then he needs professional assistance.

A Numidian faction is, IIRC, hinted to be being considered.
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It's not your lucky day, Mouz: for starters your ex-/ex block contains a minor grammar mistake. (You've forgotten to add an agent to the main sentence, a proper one would be for example "he".)

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I realized that but felt lazy to correct it...and the only time I neglect to edit for typoes/grammar I'm caught! :wall:

The second paragraph (the one following the list) doesn't sound perfect either. :stupido:
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http://premium1.uploadit.org/DuxCorvan//bartix.jpg

20 watt lightbulb?

There are loads of factions that would be extremely cool to have in the game, such as Galatians, Pergamon, Bastarnae, Illyrians, Belgae and many more already mentioned. I doubt many of them could be included though.
Anyway, here a couple of more factions that I doubt could be included and are probably not very historical but that I´m just dying to tell someone about, so please don´t say "that´s ahistorical" becasue I already know that.

Koinon Hellenon in the Western Mediterranean compromising the greek colonies Syracuse, Massalia and Emporion.

Some sort of Boshporan Kingdom in Chersonesos.

Ligurians based in Segesta.

Caledonians in Caledryn.

Some sort of Numidians, Mauretanians or the like on western northern Africa.

Anyway, I don´t think (nor am I sure I really want when I think about it) that any of these will be included in the mod, but I´ve been literally :wall: just because I couldn´t find anyone to discuss my ideas with.

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I take it you haven't read the entire thread. ~;)

It's been made clear by the team that

• There won't be any African factions (Kush, Meroe, Axum...) due to the engine's restrictions (culture)
• There won't be emergent or unplayable factions for all of them will be playable from the beginning.

As for me, assuming that CA release a Kingdoms version not infested with the malware Securom and thus I play EBII, I would like to see another barbarian faction to counterbalance the Swêboz, the Casse or Lusotana, if not all of them. Another nomadic faction would help too.

I feel itchy about Koinon Hellenon and would prefer the city-states proper, in some sort of a league Kingdoms is supposed to support if possible, but the team discarded that option too.

What I would not want is another Hellenistic faction on top of the present 7, particularly in Mikrasia. Just in case:

If somebody concludes that I have anything against the Hellenistic culture from this statement, solely concerned by game balance, then he needs professional assistance.

A Numidian faction is, IIRC, hinted to be being considered.
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You complaints should be directed to Alexander III and the aliens from Syrious that have mutated us to the state of super race :laugh4:
Anyway Im just joking...
As for that nice little spyware that SEGA tried to shove down our throats I got rid of it months ago...and have been playing Kingdoms without it...

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There are loads of factions that would be extremely cool to have in the game, such as Galatians, Pergamon, Bastarnae, Illyrians, Belgae and many more already mentioned. I doubt many of them could be included though.
Anyway, here a couple of more factions that I doubt could be included and are probably not very historical but that I´m just dying to tell someone about, so please don´t say "that´s ahistorical" becasue I already know that.

Koinon Hellenon in the Western Mediterranean compromising the greek colonies Syracuse, Massalia and Emporion.

Some sort of Boshporan Kingdom in Chersonesos.

Ligurians based in Segesta.

Caledonians in Caledryn.

Some sort of Numidians, Mauretanians or the like on western northern Africa.

Anyway, I don´t think (nor am I sure I really want when I think about it) that any of these will be included in the mod, but I´ve been literally :wall: just because I couldn´t find anyone to discuss my ideas with.

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I think a Numidian and a bosphoran faction were being considered. As for the rest I don't know.