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You people pointing all of the smaller nations that took up about half a province are forgetting some of the more significant ones, such as the mighty Khanate of Bexhill-on-Sea, and the Shetland Islands.
Seriously, do you really think CA, with their tendency towards historical accuracy, would include nations such as Savoy and The Viceroyalty of the Two Sicilies?
Agreed, From europa barbarorum to Empires alot of people want to overcrowed a single area because it did 'something' 'somewhere'...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikeus Caesar
It would be good to see some Factions like India Or maybe even China.
Plus maybe some other nations that appear later on in the game Like America or Mexico but I dont think they would be in the same era. Would they?:dizzy2:
Sweden,sweden,sweden and sweden did you know that sweden was a great power between the year of 1600 and 1801, in year of 1600 sweden went in to war against polan it was cald in sweden The Great Polish War, between the Polish king Sigismund (who was earlier king o Sweden) and the swedish king KarlXI. King Karl XI started the by attacking Lithuania who was a region of the polish kingdom. The war was later moved to Riga. After a few years King Karl XI died and the new swedish king Gustaf II Adolf took over the throne, the war ended in the battle of Gurzno. Sweden was 8000 men and Poland 7000. Sweden won the battle pretty easy with only 30 men dead and 60 men wounded. Sweden was standing as the winner and had counquerd Lithuania.
In the 16th century Sweden had one of the best armies in the world and they prooved it at the Battle Of Breitenfeld were the German Emperors army were totaly crushed. Battle Of Breitenfeld
Sverige-Sachsen Holy-roman empire- The Catholic League
Commanders Commanders
Gustav II Adolf Johann Tserclaes Tilly
Gustaf Horn Gottfried Heinrich von Pappenheim
Johan Banér
Lennart Torstenson
Johan Georg I of Sachsen
After the battle Sweden had counquerd Prussien in the northern Germany and had fulfield every goals they had but Gustaf II Adolf had bigger plans. The Swedish army marched down into southern Germany and sacked town after town. The 15th april in the year of 1632 the swdish army smashed into the Catholic army when they tried to cross the river Lech. After the war against germany and poland sweden had northern Germany and pieces of Poland, the entire Baltic, Finland and Norway. Swden lost many regions in Finland and Baltic in the war against Russia in the year of 1788. In the year of 1813 the swedish crown prince Karl XIV Johan declared war against Napoleon, Sweden were present at the battle of Liepzig, the battle of slaget vid Dennewitz and the battle of Grossbeeren. In the Piece in Kiel Sweden traded away Prussien aginst some norwegian regions.
Hope i gave you some Swedish history now :book:
I agree with the main point that you make: Sweden should be in the game and should be a playable nation.Quote:
Sweden,sweden,sweden and sweden did you know that sweden was a great power between the year of 1600 and 1801, in year of 1600 sweden went in to war against polan it was cald in sweden The Great Polish War, between the Polish king Sigismund (who was earlier king o Sweden) and the swedish king KarlXI. King Karl XI started the by attacking Lithuania who was a region of the polish kingdom. The war was later moved to Riga. After a few years King Karl XI died and the new swedish king Gustaf II Adolf took over the throne, the war ended in the battle of Gurzno. Sweden was 8000 men and Poland 7000. Sweden won the battle pretty easy with only 30 men dead and 60 men wounded. Sweden was standing as the winner and had counquerd Lithuania.
In the 16th century Sweden had one of the best armies in the world and they prooved it at the Battle Of Breitenfeld were the German Emperors army were totaly crushed. Battle Of Breitenfeld
Sverige-Sachsen Holy-roman empire- The Catholic League
Commanders Commanders
Gustav II Adolf Johann Tserclaes Tilly
Gustaf Horn Gottfried Heinrich von Pappenheim
Johan Banér
Lennart Torstenson
Johan Georg I of Sachsen
After the battle Sweden had counquerd Prussien in the northern Germany and had fulfield every goals they had but Gustaf II Adolf had bigger plans. The Swedish army marched down into southern Germany and sacked town after town. The 15th april in the year of 1632 the swdish army smashed into the Catholic army when they tried to cross the river Lech. After the war against germany and poland sweden had northern Germany and pieces of Poland, the entire Baltic, Finland and Norway. Swden lost many regions in Finland and Baltic in the war against Russia in the year of 1788. In the year of 1813 the swedish crown prince Karl XIV Johan declared war against Napoleon, Sweden were present at the battle of Liepzig, the battle of slaget vid Dennewitz and the battle of Grossbeeren. In the Piece in Kiel Sweden traded away Prussien aginst some norwegian regions.
Hope i gave you some Swedish history now
Part from that there is a whole lot of things to correct in your post. For instance that Sweden was a great power from 1600-1801, I never heard those years being the limits of the Swedish great power status before. Some say 1631 (Breitenfelt) to 1709 (Poltava) others say 1561 (Reval i.e. Tallin with major parts of todays Estonia to Sweden) to 1721 (Peace of Nystad) and others make other suggestions but they are all within that timespan.
Sure, Sweden took part in the Napoleonic wars later on but not as a great power.
The Swedish king Charles XI did not live during the years you suggest he was waging war in Poland and he was not Gustavus II Adolphus father. Charles IX on the other hand was and he managed to waste an entire army at Kirchholm against the Poles.
I dont think it is true that Sweden had the best army in the world during the 16th century allthough Erik XIV made reforms that resembled and preceeded the dutch reforms, still we were loosing vs the Danes.
In the 17th century (sextonhundratalet) on the other hand the Swedes on some occassions had the best army in the world and also one of the best generals in history (Gustavus II Adolphus) and also a few other generals (Banér, Torstensson, Charles X and so on) who all were top notch.
No doubt we had the best army in the world from the late 17th century (after Charles XIs reforms) until roughly 1709 (we had some success after that also: Helsingborg, Gadebusch) and also two brilliant tacticians in the king Charles XII and his tutor Rehnshiöld.
We did not have Norway until 1814 when we took it from Denmark as compensation for loosing Finland to Russia.
There is some more to say aswell but that would require to much effort :)
Anyways I agree with you: Sweden should be playable.
Kalle
Timing is everything in war! Where were you at Waterloo?Quote:
Originally Posted by Karl Gustaf XII
Factions
Twelve factions have been confirmed to be in the game with ten of them playable at the start.
Faction Name Playable at Start?
British Empire Yes
The Ottoman Empire Yes
The Kingdom of France Yes
The Kingdom of Prussia Yes
The Spanish Empire Yes
The United Provinces (Dutch Republic) Yes
The Swedish Empire Yes
The Russian Empire Yes
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Yes
Thirteen Colonies Yes
Republic of Venice No
Austrian Empire No
(source of info from Wikipedia)
I for one would like to see more oriental Powers. The Chinese at that time are a powerful empire but are gradually failing through a series of weak emperors. The Japanese on the opposite are rising to be one of the major powers in the world. They could be compared with the Byzantine and Ottoman Empires.
18th century without Austria faction?:D Very funny
Yes, the japanese and chinese would be interesting to see in a game like this, at this Era. But if they should choose to include them, how should the map look like? A map over almost the whole world, or one just from, what will it be, eastern europe/western asia to the west and into Japan and China? I mean, over the atlantic sea and the Americas and then also over the pacific? That should be a huge map. Or one just going to the east, without the Americas then. Then perhaps you could include India aswell, then you could have the Marathi Empire as another faction.
Aswell I think the danish should be in the game. Otherwise I feel like the swedes wouldn't have so many enemies (or possible enemies), except russia but they should probably be busy with... like everyone else.
Just my two cents.
The Austrian are in it, but at the moment they appear as an unlockable faction. Not available at the start of the campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by VRB
By the way welcome to the forum, VRB.:2thumbsup:
You misunderstood me. I meant that these 12 factions are confirmed as playable factions. The rest are in, but unplayable.Quote:
Originally Posted by RedOneZulu
By the way welcome to the forum RedOneZulu.:beam:
Siam , Siam !!!
the strongest nation in Southeast Asia from 1767 to 1893
one of the few countries in the world which has never been colonised
:book: :book:
That's a very good suggestion. Welcome to the forum Shopperkimpy. ~:wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by shopperkimpy
Nice idea, it would be refreshing to see some of the SE Asian cultures in the game, aside from China they seem to me to be very underepresented in strategy games. Unfortunately the very fact that Siam was never colonised seems to me likely to rule it out of this game.
Although, I believe many of the neighbouring nations were colonised, so hopefully it'll be in. The impression I get is that there will be lots of small non-European factions rather than just a few big ones.
@Quintus Julius-Cicero: Oh, but thats good :)
And thanks!
Just a quick edit of the descr_strat should do the trick...Quote:
Originally Posted by QuintusJulius-Cicero
Yeah, I always do that in R: TW. But does it work in MII:TW as well. The unplayable ones. I mean like the Papals and Mongols hordes and Aztecs. The hordes are emergent factions that don't appear at the start, The Pope gives out missions and the Aztecs are in the middle of no where.Quote:
Originally Posted by Abokasee
Works fine in M2TW, they can all be made playable by modding descr_strat, although some require some serious modding to make into a sensible campaign, e.g. the Aztecs will be stuck in the Americas for three hundred years with nothing to do if you don't give them the ability to build ships.
I imagine the same will be true in ETW. What I understand from what I've read from CA is that the reason factions are made "unplayable" is just because they aren't as well "fleshed-out" as the playable factions, i.e. they generally have less well-rounded unit rosters, no faction-specific intro movies etc, so they can't advertise them as playable factions.
In M2TW all the fun factions are playable, but in Rome that's not the case, half of the factions that aren't playable include Macedon, Pontus and Armenia. I found some of them to be better than playable factions. Hopfully in Empire all the good factions will be either playable from the start or unlockable.
I do believe every faction will be playable by modding, CA themselves have said they are trying to keep ETW more moddable.
I do agree, Macedon was one of my favourite factions to play as.
Well, since I am Brazilian, I would like to see the South American continent displayed in the game. During that time there was a lot of conflict against the natives and later there were several insurgents against the Empire of Brazil. Has anyone heard about the War of the Tatters? Also called War od the Farrapos? It was the longest revolution to ever occur in South America, and maybe the whole American continent, it lasted 10 years of bloodshed, and was the only conflict in Brazil where the whole revolutionary army was forgived and merged with the Emperial Army.
As for the European factions, if the British Empire is there, I'll be satisfied. I am gonna love to see those redcoats and highlanders destroying those pityful french armies.:smash:
Amen to killing those Frenchies:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jedi Bruno
Hey everyone, this is the factions i'd like to see the most (and play).
British Empire (CA can't possibly leave this one out)
The Dutch
Prussia
any Sub-Saharan African faction
any native north American faction
the Mughul empire of India
and that's it for starters.:2thumbsup:
Hope I helped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aztec Warrior
The far east factions such as China and Japan HAS to be there.
I don't believe the campaign map reaches Japan, just Southeast Asia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quintus.J.Cicero
The last FAQ seemed to suggest only India, North America and North Africa would be included, which would be rather disappointing.:thumbsdown:
Darn right it is! When do we acutally get to play as the Chinese.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poor Bloody Infantry
I really want to see Persia as at least an unlockable faction. Nadir Shah of Persia was an extremely successful ruler during the eighteen century. His armies sacked Delhi and fought numerous successful wars against the Afghans and the Ottoman Empire; it would be impossible to accurately represent the Ottoman Empire without the Persians.
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Originally Posted by Poor Bloody Infantry
This is according to pever's Summary thread. I'm assuming this will include the southern part of China as well as Vietnam, Thailand, etcQuote:
The campaign map will be larger. It includes Europe, North and South America, North Africa, Central Asia, India, and Indonesia