Out of character thread XVI

Hey! From tomorrow until next Monday, I will be on vacation. If the next turn is posted tonight, I will still be able to make my choice. Other than that, I won't be anywhere near a computer. I will sally against the besieging army at Frankfurt if otherwise - but I won't be able to fight it. Auto-resolve it or have a proxy fight it for me, as long as Peter doesnt die. I guess if he does die, that's the course of the game, but if we can proxy fight it that would be cool. If not, I'm fine with that - Peter's affairs are sorted out if he dies. Until then, sayonara!

According to the rules, there can be no proxies for players away for less than 3 or 4 weeks, so it would have to be autoresolved. If its not in your favor, it wouldn't be a good idea to sally thus.

well, i think im gonna die and itll only get harder if i wait due to my army starving, so i might as well just get on with it

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

According to the rules, there can be no proxies for players away for less than 3 or 4 weeks, so it would have to be autoresolved. If its not in your favor, it wouldn't be a good idea to sally thus.

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Yes - although the rules were designed with the thought that normally people on reserve duty could be kept in a safe place. With the cataclysm, there is a safe option but it often involves losing your army or something drastic.

If you are away for a week, Gibson, I think the best thing would be to stay under siege and not sally on an autoresolve. If the AI launches a siege assault, you may be back in time to play it or we can think about relaxing the no proxy rule.

If you insist on sallying on autoresolve, TC can do it but I would like you to confirm that before risking an inglorious death for Peter (autoresolves don't produce battle reports).

Incidentally, TC promised to post the new turn tonight still, so there is a chance gibson gets to fight his battle yet.

The next turn report will be posted in about 2 hours, give or take a bit.

Before he allows Peter to die Fritz will abandon Stettin and march to Peter's relief.

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the problem is, i dont want my entire army to starve before i get a chance to fight. if the AI didnt attack last turn, they're just waiting for a better shot. if he dies, i can refight the battle merely for the sake of screenshots and a battle report when i get back and create a cool battle report. but i figure that if the AI is waiting to attack, theyre not gonna be stronger than peters forces.

idk TC use your best judgement. if you think ill be better off waiting for the AI to assault, possibly still while im gone (especially if econ says we can proxy in that eventuality), go for it. i wont be able to even see this until next monday. if you think an auto-resolved sally will be better, go for it. but above all, dont have peter escape through a tunnel or something. he will fight the battle, until death. he has like 11 hitpoints so he wont die without a fight.

and ramses, that would be a nice story of brotherhood if you come save me despite my strong words against it - especially if stettin doesnt die in the meantime! what im saying is, ive disobeyed commands before, why not fritz if he felt compelled to do so? im feeling an anakin skywalker-mace windu-palpatine vibe on this one like in star wars 3. lol

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Originally Posted by TinCow

The next turn report will be posted in about 2 hours, give or take a bit.

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Its has been two hours. And I am arbitrarily defining a "bit" to mean 1 minute. Therefore you are late. This is unacceptable. I will not be so forgiving next time. :whip:

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Ah the joy of not having an avatar for TC to punish... ^_^

Please note that I almost immediately made a change to the save game after I posted the 1334 report. Use the kotr1334-2 save, not the kotr1334-1 save. The report has been updated to reflect this.

im gonna try as hard as i can to fight the battle tonight - we'll see if we get lucky.

edit: im taking the save, wish me luck! forget the extra regiment of teutonic knights! if i die, it will be a glorious death killing all of my enemies! i'll either win or die - if im losing, peter is going on a 9 hitpoint killing spree. it will make a great battle report, or at least a slideshow with captions.

:gah: What incompetence! *sulks*

TinCow, are you honestly telling me Jans silly little letter of calling to arms netted him three (3!!!) units of militia, and my glorious call for a cursade against the french invaders netted me nothing!

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The result in Antwerp was a combined effect of both of your actions. I apologize if that wasn't clear. You two are kind of tag-team partners for the moment, and you kind of clump together in my mind. If it makes you feel better, I will declare both of the Spear Militia units to be 'yours' so that you can move them even if Jan does not want you to (along with your Merc Crossbowmen).

hey, if im unable to fight it tonight, its cuz my mom is working on the game computer. im trying as hard as i can. i should be able to fight it - possibly squeeze it in between 8:00 and 8:30 GMT - 6. lets get lucky!

Just when I thought the Swabian drama was over...

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Good move Ig! After the battle of Bern, I was afraid that area was going to get boring! :beam:

Ignoramus' orders were priceless. I'll happily post them, if he gives me permission to disclose them. Let's just say I did Athalwolf a favor by having him remain a few weeks behind Wolfgang.

haha no duchy for you!

assuming i survive tonight anyways

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Ignoramus' orders were priceless. I'll happily post them, if he gives me permission to disclose them. Let's just say I did Athalwolf a favor by having him remain a few weeks behind Wolfgang.

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Go right ahead TC, I don't mind at all.

Well, Ignoramus wouldn't have been able to storm Staufen without siege equip...

ok im definitely fighting it!

EDIT: fought

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too bad i already have a famous battle outside frankfurt because this one is cooler... lol

The Second Battle of Frankfurt was, by all accounts, a Heroic Victory!

(boy did i overestimate the danes)

pics coming soon. save uploaded - kotr1334-3.zip

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http://123pichosting.com/images/5105frank6j.JPG

battle report posted, see you all next week! i will not even be able to tell what's going on until monday, so good luck!

Here are Ignoramus' orders:

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

Wolfgang will import another unit of FC Men at Arms(I know he's miles from the coast, but there wasn't any stipulation about location) and march on Staufen(I assume the hiring of the MAA won't delay his march?)

On his march, he will call upon the peasantry to join him and also local nobles to cast their lot with him.

He will march as quickly as possible to avoid bumping into von Salza.

If we bump into von Salza, Wolfgang will proceed with his army waving a white flag of truce until the armies are about 100 metres apart.

Wolfgang will then cooly announce that von Salza broke the terms of the agreement, which was for Wolfgang to meet von Salza on the bridge which at the start of this turn he's currently standing.

Saying this, Wolfgang will call upon von Salza's men to surrender von Salza, who will be honourably treated, and offer them to take service with him. He will then proceed to Staufen.

If there's fighting, then I assume a PvP battle will commence.

At Staufen, the garrison(if there's any) will be called to surrender, otherwise Wolfgang will begin an assault.

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At the same time, Warluster sent orders to move to Staufen, pacify the province, and then return to Metz. Since both wanted their avatars to march to Staufen first, I checked their traits and saw that Wolfgang had several major bonuses to movement, while Athalwolf had none. Just to make sure, I moved both armies to the same spot, reset their movement, check how far the game would let them go, then moved them back to their original positions. Wolfgang had a significantly larger movement radius, so that decided who arrived at Staufen first. Once that happened, I made sure that Athalwolf did not get too close to Wolfgang, so that a capture was not possible. I also tried to see if Athalwolf could still do something useful that turn, but in test autoresolves, he was defeated by both the Staufen and Metz rebel armies. Since Warluster wasn't able to fight his own battles, I asked econ21 and he said it would be best to skip the autoresolve under those circumstances (guaranteed defeat). So, I did the only remaining part of Athalwolf's orders that I could: I returned him to Metz and made the city less sympathetic to Wolfgang so that he can't just waltz in next time.

The issue regarding Ehrhart leaving troops behind was simply one of balance which I had decided before I got either Ignoramus' or Warluster's orders. He was about to gain an entire army with several very experienced units, along with more wealth than anyone else in the entire Reich. It seemed a bit unfair to give him extra units on top of all of that, especially since he had no wealth to speak of at the start of the year.

The real sticky question is what would have happened if Ehrhart had remained in Staufen. I'm not really sure about that, actually. I probably would have spawned a couple infantry units to let him 'hold the walls' for a single year. If Athalwolf had then come to his aid, a PvP battle would have occurred. Otherwise, Ehrhart would probably have been captured.

Hopefully that explains a bit how I arrived at this unusual result. Both sides are still powerful enough to survive until 1340, so I don't think I've forced any permanent changes on the Swabian situation.

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Originally Posted by deguerra

TinCow, are you honestly telling me Jans silly little letter of calling to arms netted him three (3!!!) units of militia, and my glorious call for a cursade against the french invaders netted me nothing!

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Apparently Jan is just that much more inspiring than Ludwig. Must be why the French decided to attack Bruges instead of taking the terrible risk of going after my city.

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Having both spear militia be yours works for me. :yes:

I have question. Lorenz is getting old now, too soon too fast. I want him to have kids ancontinue on teh family name. Is there any possible way to force or mod him into the Royal Family. Maybe this can be an event?

Hi RK,

Believe me I would have found out if there was. At this stage I'm pretty sure there isn't an option.

FH would be the guy to confirm that though.

You could get econ to marry one of Elbehard's daughters to him. But they are going to be contested.

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

You could get econ to marry one of Elbehard's daughters to him. But they are going to be contested.

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I don't care about the issues...I WANT ONE!!! :yes:

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

You could get econ to marry one of Elbehard's daughters to him. But they are going to be contested.

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Indeed, I've been doing some thinking about this. By my calculations there will be fourteen eligable bachelors and five fathers (including Alfgarda von Hamburg) of as yet underage boys.

Of course, a lot of things could disqualify someone. Assuming Elberhard doesn't want to marry his daughter to someone over fourty eliminates six candidates. If he doesn't want Eue to marry one of her blood relations that eliminates three. Also, one could assume that Karl Zirn and Lothar Steffen will support their son who is of age, rather than one of the younger ones. Finally, Elberhard might not want to wait more than ten turns for a groom turn sixteen.

With all that in mind, and judging by Elberhard's likely opinion of the various suitors, it is my completely unbiased that Eue's likely future husband will be found among Dieter von Kassel, Fritz Becker, Tancred Erlach, or any of the recruitable generals.

So yeah, it's probably gonna be crazy. What makes it crazier is that Elberhard needs to live until he's sixty-two for his other two daughters to become princesses. Nail-biting stuff.

Matthias isn't likely to be a suitor. It seems the game has thrust bachelorhood upon him, and it fits his character anyway, as he's married to his mission.

I'm a bit flummoxed as what to do in Outremer. Either of the Byz armies is more than a match for mine, and the best case scenario is that I'm able to destroy one while my own army gets mauled and is left vulnerable to the second. Not to mention the Turks or the Egyptians. I much preferred it when I was an ornery subordinate. :laugh4:

Any advice from the peanut gallery on what I should do?

I'd say you are correct Cecil.

And that will sadly end Leopold's only male lineage as a son to the original emperor and the only one of the orginal four to do so at this time...damn it.

That's frustrating. :wall: