Grand Campaign Hotseat 2: The Rising Storm

It happens to everyone, I think. :yes: My wife is an Education major (heavy emphasis on literature), and she despises The Great Gatsby and didn't find it meaningful. I've had trouble finding more than teen angst in The Catcher in the Rye. But both books are considered classics and have tons of stuff written about the meaning in them.

I take it your school has Advanced Placement classes weighted on a 5.0 scale? Mine did when I was in High School, too. Pity it was converted to a 4.0 scale when I was applying to college. :no:

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Originally Posted by gibsonsg91921

Yeah, lately I read it and then read the Cliffnotes and uncover totally new plot points that I didn't even realize was happening.

Now, I'm no idiot, and I had a 4.6 weighted freshman year, but I didn't understand a lick of Great Expectations. We had to read ten chapters at a time, which I put off, and I'd super-speed read it to get done on time. When I looked at Cliffnotes there was a whole world of happenings that was going on that I didn't even realize was going on. There was too many characters, too.

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Well, I'm probably going to get raked over hot coals for this, but there aren't too many characters in Great Expectations, it's just not a good book. Personally I'm of the camp that Dickens wrote Pip's bitterness into the story as a reflection of his own contempt for humanity at large, leaving the story pervaded with an overwhelming sense of disgust for the entire cast of characters. Once you realize this (Which, of course, is just my perspective) the book becomes nearly unreadable.

The book is so intimate with these people that it simultaneously holds as vile caricatures it's very difficult to become absorbed in the story at all.

I'm no fan of Dickens in general, but I bet you'd enjoy Bleak House more. The difference in the perspective used to tell the story makes it possible to understand the unpleasant characters without any obligation to sympathy, which Pip drags onto the reader in GE.

Twain's Huck Finn is a good book, very funny, you just have to approach it from the proper perspective, a thing which school makes inherently difficult. Try to enjoy it. :)

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Oh yeah, and I came here to post something about KotR. The Pope has a fleet with a significant army east of Palermo. I daresay he intends to recapture Rome.

I don't think that would be desirable. :laugh4:

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Afaik the pope will never attack a catholic unless that faction is excommunicated or the pope's ally made the pope's army attack that faction (by standing next to it)

Wait, why did you come here to post about KOTR? I guess a fair number of KOTR players are in this game, too. :clown:

The pope is based entirely in the Middle East now, right (in KOTR)? I wonder if that fleet and army have been there a while, or if he sent troops all the way from Jerusalem.

ROTFL by 'here' I meant to the Throne Room. So I got confused, sorry. :laugh4: :oops:

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http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-England.rar

It is up.

Nice! Turn three!

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Originally Posted by Zim

That's nice PK, but I've seen enough other posters get drawn into long, vicious arguements with you to know I'm not interested in one.

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This is actually quite simple.

Lets look over the past events and try to figure this out.

A couple weeks ago, I went a bit too far in the OOC threads with FH. It got heated, I apologized, and all is well. Do you know how many admonishments Zim gave me for that? zero. Do you know how many times he threatened to eject me? zero. There was hardly a peep said about it.

Now, lets look at the Brittania game. I have had a character yell in the "council" thread in that game as well. And Zim is both supportive and encouraging. He even went so far as to let me know that I can keep doing so in that game even though I was ejected from here. So, I can roleplay as I wish in a game where my faction is allied with Zim's.

Now, in here, my character yells at Zim's character. And he immediately tells me to "tone it down." So, I can yell OOC and I can yell IC if I support Zim. But I can not yell IC at Zim. Riiiiiight....

Then he makes up some bogus thing in here about "receiving reports" about my abusive behavior. Funny though that he only acts on those reports when my character yells at his.

Not only is that "lame", but it is an abuse of GM authority and an egregious example of "metagaming".

So guys, enjoy your game but make sure you tiptoe around Zim...

I warned both of you (PK and FactionHeir) right in this thread that I'd send a report to a mod if you didn't stop fighting. :inquisitive:

The Britannia game has a different crowd of people, and noone there has said anything. :no: If anyone had, you might have gotten the same request, as I told you.

I have no idea where you've gotten this paranoid idea that I asked you to tone it down a bit because your character yelled at mine. I may have eventually stopped responding IC, because otherwise it would drag on forever, but I wouldn't have ever punished or threatened to punish you over something that stupid. :no:

Remember the argument between Grand Duke Alexander and King Knud in the Teutonic game? It was far more severe than anything from this game. It dragged on too long, but I rather regretted it hadn't made it into an IC thread, and was hoping one of us could use parts for the story thread for the game. I don't have a thin skin, PK.

I'm disappointed in such behavior from someone what, 3, 5 years older than I am? :no: I had hoped that since you'd been offline a couple days you'd have cooled down, but I guess not. Since you've stooped to slandering me, I'm reporting that last post.

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Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

Welcome, Tran...

I wish you a better fate than the other English player...

I mean in the other Grand Campaign Hotseat...

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You should say that to the former player of England, because I think (again) he's on the edge of...extinction :beam:

Anyway, France's turn now

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-France.zip

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Zim and Privateerkev, please take any further discussion of your dispute to PM or open a Watchtower thread if you must make it public. Any continuation of the back and forth in this or other MC PBM threads will be removed.

Well, it's been twenty-four hours. Did RoadKill e-mail Zim about an extension?

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Originally Posted by Cecil XIX

Well, it's been twenty-four hours. Did RoadKill e-mail Zim about an extension?

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Not yet. :no:

Since it's still New Year's Morning/early afternoon where Roadkill is, I'm half-inclined to send him a pm and give him a bit more time. However, You're the next player and I don't want to hold you up if it would make it harder for you to take your turn.

What do you think, Cecil? I can sub for him if neccessary, so either way his turn won't be skipped.

Sorry. I'm taking the save. :dizzy2: It was new years and I've been partying for the whole night till 4am. I need my sleep.

EDIT: Nevermind.

I can understand that. :yes: I was really sick yesterday so I stayed up until "only" 2 A.M. :clown:

This makes things easy. Good luck, Roadkill. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by RoadKill

Sorry. I'm taking the save. :dizzy2: It was new years and I've been partying for the whole night till 4am. I need my sleep.

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Ok, I think Roadkill played the save, then forgot to post the link or notify us in the thread. Probably due to that lack of sleep he mentioned. :clown:

I looked in the filespace and there's a "2GHC-3-HRE.sav " uploaded today, a couple hours after he said he was taking the save.

Don't forget to zip the files, everyone. It's ORG policy.

Good luck, Cecil.

I'm sorting my PM box right now, but I'll take my turn immediately afterwards.

No hurry. I figure if we get through the next few turns just in time for Ignoramus to come back on the 3rd, he'll get a chance to play his turn as Scotland. I don't like to have it subbed without directions, since Scotland is in such a tough position now. :yes:

Couldn't agree more. I'd hate to have to take Scotland's next action without knowing why the first turn's odd ones were taken.

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Spain's up.

Nice, my wife's a bit under the weather and lying down right now, but she can play right after work tomorrow, and I'll get my save done right after. :yes:

I'm not very happy that my turn was played by a substitute. It's the New Year week and there's no allowances? What's going on? I told Zim that my second turn was crucial. What's more, I have not received a PM from whoever played my turn of what happened. Why the big rush?

I am not amused.

I thought you were coming back on the 3rd and your turn came up some 4-5 days before that. Without directions or a designated sub, I asked someone far enough away not to have a stake in the Anglo-Scottish conflict to sub. It was Ramses. He must have forgotten to pm you, I'll make sure he gets back to you.

I'm sorry but I thought that over twice the turn limit would have been a bit too long to wait. I'm still learning to balance the needs of individual players with the collective need to keep the game going. While I figure out the balance between the two I may occasionally mess up and I apologize for that.

England has a new player (Tran), so for what it's worth it's possible the situation has become less dire (depending on his planned diplomatic attitude towards Scotland). :yes:

It's just that from experience in the original Grand Multiplayer Campaign I know that if Scotland gets mucked up early on, then they're out of it.

Apologies for my over-reaction.

Err, I posted right in the diplomacy thread what I did. There were no options, either I left you doing absolutely nothing on turn two or I besieged the English at York. You couldn't reach Inverness without splitting your army, and your spy had discovered a large force of English hiding below York which would've made splitting your army certain death.

I wasn't happy about playing that turn for you either, to be honest, because it was so critical. I'd be happy to hear what else you had in mind to do with your forces, because if you didn't go to war with the clearly belligerant English (Who have changed players since then) you'd end up being a 1 province nation under the threat of having your sole city besieged the very next year.

Good luck. :beam:

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It was my fault. If I had know you were coming today, I'd have just waited (I'd been thinking that players would get double the maximum time, 4 days, over the holidays). :yes:

My wife finished her turn (It's nice that she picked the faction that went right before mine. :beam: To be honest, I thought she'd play Russia). I'll get mine up later tonight, fater dinner.

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

It's just that from experience in the original Grand Multiplayer Campaign I know that if Scotland gets mucked up early on, then they're out of it.

Apologies for my over-reaction.

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Originally Posted by Ramses II CP

Err, I posted right in the diplomacy thread what I did. There were no options, either I left you doing absolutely nothing on turn two or I besieged the English at York. You couldn't reach Inverness without splitting your army, and your spy had discovered a large force of English hiding below York which would've made splitting your army certain death.

I wasn't happy about playing that turn for you either, to be honest, because it was so critical. I'd be happy to hear what else you had in mind to do with your forces, because if you didn't go to war with the clearly belligerant English (Who have changed players since then) you'd end up being a 1 province nation under the threat of having your sole city besieged the very next year.

Good luck. :beam:

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Sorry about not checking the Diplomacy Thread. I guess I overlooked in the mass of unread threads. I will be less hasty next time.

Sicily is up! :2thumbsup:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/2GHC-3-Sicily.zip