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It does mean that the facts he's made up will be less believable, as are the conclusions to be drawn from them. If he did indeed do a fake reveal, then he deserved to die for that alone, under the lynch all liars idea. Something that is becoming increasingly tempting to apply to you, with each outlandish claim you make.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Then I'll make no more, for the sake of your lavish temptation.
Now that W&f has been revealed I await his response before making a direct judgment. I'd also like to hear what Drake has to say on the matter.
Pannonian you still havn't told us:
1. How you got the pm
2. Why w&f didn't post it himself
Seems like your dodging the question.
And no one is suspicious of the fact that Beefy187 - of all people, was the target! Why?!
1. How did I get the PM? W&F forwarded it to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zorg
2. Why didn't W&F post it himself? Probably because he hasn't been on since. Ichigo asked for some ideas, so I posted the PM in case of W&F or I or both dying tonight. It's generally good practice, if there is dirt on confirmed mafia, to publicise it before you die, for you might not be able to do so after you die.
Are there any more question you'd like me to dodge?
The minds of other people are dark and mysterious. How the heck is one supposed to know why they picked such and such target?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I've not received any reply to my PM, so I'll ask in the thread instead. Are you willing to explain what you've been doing those past couple of nights? And are you willing to lock yourself into town activity tonight, activity which generates tangible proof of towniness? Or are you still going to BS us with your stories and cries of "Trust me, I can't say anything more!"? Reply by PM if you want to keep the answer private.
I am getting the same feeling. Why does the mafia want Beefy dead so much? The first night I might just think that it was a random act, but two nights in a row? They must know something we don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I am content with Pannonian's replies.
No, I don't care for the privacy of your question.
The subject of my actions on Night 1 are a widely stated fact that led to the suspicion of Stranger, Louis and Sigurd.
I was protecting Sigurd under threat of death and bandwagoning. Ha!
Tonight I am investigating.
And, unless something very drastic occurs, which from what I've seen is rather possible, unless, I will be continuing to investigate.
These results I will not keep private provided the public is willing to listen.
I don't think it is a good strategy for me or my confidents, or ANY innocent to kill.
Our violence is in the lynch, your vigilante busts are only going to confuse the detectives, and that means my own investigations also.
Please, behave at night, stay with protections and investigations.
*************
So Beefy may be important.
What's saddening is how he noted he may be absent for the rest of the game.
*************
This is a public services announcement.
Glenn is going to bed, he is tired and has very sore eyes from tidying up all the loose ends and questions.
He requests that you all keep the noise down, and try not to kill, attack, accuse and twist things too much here until he returns, lest he be faced with the dramatic episode of earlier.
Not that he didn't appreciate that.
May all the innocents live tonight.
I can't see that you have cleared my name yet... I would like to know why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
You stated that you knew I was a Don as Andres more than once questioned this. I can't see that this has been answered. You claim to be a detective, yet detectives will get an innocent read on a Don pr. Seamus' role descriptions the same results as doctors, Surgeons, Detectives, FBI agents and townies would.
GH.. will you care to explain your logic here? As I mentioned, Drisos claims I am a Don, but Dons will be innocent in a detective investigation. How can a detective’s investigation on a Don be conclusive?Quote:
Originally Posted by GH
This is atleast the third time I see this sentence. Another code?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I don’t know if this contact could be trusted Glenn. I too have worked with people doing investigations. They claim they got a guilty read on GH. Do you realise the important difference?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
One result comes from a Made and the other from a Detective. Since Mades don’t get guilty reads but detectives do, then your informant must be a Made. I will of course have to confirm this with my informant, but it was said guilty.
This means that both investigations yielded a read on either a Made or a Luca who was out and about last night.
I would really like to hear what Tiberius of the Drake has to say on his behalf. It seems that we have atleast one sure lynch already for the day, unless ofcourse Pannonian would be lying, but i cant see why he would take a such risk to get rid off Tiberius.
Do we have any intention of following up on Glenn? The general consensus was that he should be spared specifically because an investigation could determine whether he was mafia or not. Glenn has not been 'cleared' by anything, yet everyone has been focusing their discussions on other people. I do not like the idea of simply forgetting about a person who has a 50% probability of being a Don. Can someone confirm that Glenn will be investigated tonight and that the results will be publicly shown tomorrow? If he is mafia, he should be the top priority lynch.
Night Phase is concluded. Results summarized and posted as soon as I can.
R/L sales meetin ran late and I went straight to bed. Apologies. (yes, successful, 2 LTC apps).
Err...I'm in holidays! I need to read 6 pages of 80 posts yet!Quote:
Caius, CR, Shin are not posting enough. 1 or 2 posts each. Normally they have mid range
SOrry, wife & kids need attention for a few hours before wife leaves on business trip tomorrow.
Will finish summary and post later tonight
Day phase will begin at that time.
Thanks for your patience.
Other people are spending their time analyzing the heck out of GH and Sasaki. That's not my gig; I'd rather spend my time looking places others haven't looked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
I do think GH is probably guilty. His behavior brings to mind a vague recollection of another game in which he "pretended" to be upset and offended by all the accusations flying his way (I think it was GF II).
Sasaki is probably innocent.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I'm not going to say, except to repeat what I've said in a couple of recent games. Holmes had been losing its edge and was looking particularly worse for wear after Mafia VII. So I upgraded it, adding a new metric besides the ones you're all familiar with. It's proven helpful in some recent games; still not foolproof, but quite good. That's all the information you'll get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
Anyway, it looks like we can be confident of Tiberius's guilt. But Hannibalbarc is guilty and should be lynched as well. :bow:
I... just... like... 3... dots... I... do... it... everywhere... its... my... trademark...
For those wondering about drisos reveal about me... he later said he believed my innocence...
oh... stop whining about my dots...
how long till deadline? nevermind... saw it already
What exactly are you taking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Well so far you haven't given proof to back that up, are you just randomly targeting people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Vote Hannibalbarc (unless I'm dead :embarassed:)
Never seen Holmes wrong yet...
Edit: Oh right, thought day phase started (misread Seamus' post)
1. it isnt dayphase yet...
2. kommo just said holmes isnt foolproof...
3. i want to know what holmes says about me...
Firstly I agree with those who've said that Glenn is by no means cleared. Though the code word crown did appear a couple of times early on, the other two didn't appear till he was accused. I believe Glenn has been cleared temporarily on the basis that a detective will be investigating.
Now the trouble is, how is that detective going to get the word out about their results, and how do we trust those results if they come second hand (through another player).
I suggest that should any detectives find a guilty result on Glenn, they should speak up personally. The town can always form protection groups for that person. I'd also suggest that if he is investigated and gets an innocent verdict, that the detectives should just shut up about it.
If we hear nothing after another night, then it should be safe to assume that Glenn is innocent.
This idea isn't foolproof of course, any mafioso can stand up and claim to be a detective with a guilty result on Glenn, but they'd have to put themselves in the spotlight, and there are plenty of genuine detectives out there to check anyone who steps forward.
My 2p on that subject.
As for Hannibalbarc, we must also remember that Holmes comes with a twist, it can be manipulated by Kommodus if he is mafia. However, that shouldn't stop us lynching Hannibalbarc (If Kommodus is mafia, it's in both his interests and the town's interest to lynch his competitors).
So my opinion is, we should lynch Hannibalbarc, just in case, but bear in mind that it might a mafioso mind, and not Holmes that has pointed him out.
EDIT: Correcting grammar/spelling
One possible dodge that comes to mind is a wise guy sacrificing himself for a family. Being a wise guy and not a fully fledged gangster, they are slightly more expendable and less traceable. They stand up, say that Glenn is criminal and get him lynched, then get lynched themselves when the autopsy comes through. This tactic may also work in a tighter situation when there is less leeway for the town or other families in the endgame.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
So I'd like to ask Seamus, are wise guys town or mafia aligned if they've done something for a family, but have not been fully accepted as Mades? Would it be in the interest of a wise guy to do the above?
I can't really read a person who refuses to post, so I'm forced to question the ones that are active and the ones I feel aren't active enough. But then there's so many people it's hard to question them all.Quote:
Other people are spending their time analyzing the heck out of GH and Sasaki. That's not my gig; I'd rather spend my time looking places others haven't looked.
YES I finally caught up. God dont you people have anything better to do on a Friday night and Saturday morning?
I think that Myrddraal's plan for glenn is the best we can do for him. And it something we should try to follow.
Also I think people under FoS should be tied into protection groups and then we can go from there before lynching ppl.
For example people like stranger and GH who seem to be accused cause of their posting and no solid evidence
I would like to hear an innocent verdict as well. If we hear nothing, how are we to know that anyone investigated him at all? Given that we're talking about a potential Don here, I think we need to be really, really sure. I don't think anyone has any reason to trust me, but I also don't think anyone has any reason to be suspicious of me so far. So, I'll volunteer to act as a filter for any detective results. I will post, verbatim and without comment, any investigation PMs I receive, with the name of the sender removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
GAH! Last game, Dons came up as innocent. That means Glenn would show up as innocent.Quote:
I suggest that should any detectives find a guilty result on Glenn, they should speak up personally. The town can always form protection groups for that person. I'd also suggest that if he is investigated and gets an innocent verdict, that the detectives should just shut up about it.
I believe it would be incredibly foolish to leave Glenn off the hook.
He was protected night one. The odds are better that he was a don getting protected by a luca than a doctor choosing to protect him.
He was suspicious before that.
He makes up a simply outlandish claim full of holes a mile wide. Even then, the third member of their 'group' hasn't been found, suggesting idiocy or non-existence.
He accuses everyone against him of being in league with the mafia.
We were trying to get him lynched last round but he narrowly escaped.
Last Capo Proletariat got attacked night one and saved by her luca, but was able to escape the noose to become the most powerful don. Let's not let that happen again.
Current suspected mafia:
Glenn & Jimbob
Tiberius and perhaps GH
The Stranger, maybe Sigurd
As to why a mafia family wants beefy dead - he somehow escaped four men with guns by himself and pure chance, which suggests a definite role for him.
CR
I think the plan was to investigate both him and jimbob. Assuming he's a don and jimbob is a member of his family, jimbob at least should show up as criminal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
And I must have missed the part where the mafia are out to get Beefy187. Wasn't it pevergreen's vigilante squad that targeted him? Where did the mafia definitely get involved? It is interesting how he managed to escape seemingly by sheer luck however.
Ajax
CR is right, an innocent on Glenn won't help us any further. I thought we agreed on investigating Glenn and his savior, Jimbob? If one of them is guilty, then we should lynch them both.
About Drisos, here's a part of the pm conversation I had with TS, yesterday in the afternoon:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
The Stranger: "His reveal is sincere... He trusts me and Moros 100 %. He'll trust you as well later on, I think. But for now, we'll do it like this...
Drisos is sincere about being a detective... He's bluffing about Sigurd.
Andres: "What's that? Why does he pick a random player and accuses him of being a Don? What's it good for?
The Stranger: "He told me on msn... if I go down, I just take somebody with me... for fun. That's why he also called me... He only had some suspicions.
hmmm... just a guess.. I still think you're guilty? is that so hard to believe?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
I think I made it clear before though - I don't trust andres. ~:) and above all, I don't want to explain everything. scummy? like I care.. Seamus will give my role soon anyway.. it's just lazyness.Quote:
You stated that you knew I was a Don as Andres more than once questioned this.
I couldn't have investigated anyone, anyway.. I was killed right away, remember? so I have a different reason for my suspicion.Quote:
I can't see that this has been answered. You claim to be a detective, yet detectives will get an innocent read on a Don pr. Seamus' role descriptions the same results as doctors, Surgeons, Detectives, FBI agents and townies would.
btw- of course, if people think it would be unfair to be townie contactperson after my death.. ok, I'll just leave this game behind. It's town's call. I personally think you should do anything allowed within the rules. that's what rules are for, eh? if you shouldn't go that far, why do the rules allow it..
well, anyway.. I'll stop by and see what you decided, later..
ajax fetish and Andres are right. They (Glenn and Jimbom) can't both show up innocent if one is Don and one a Luca.
Give me some credit at least for coming up with that argument. The problem is that no detectives have showed up with results, and if they did, we don't know if they're genuine (hence my query about wise guys doing the dirty work for adopted families). We'll have to think up something else to check their credentials with, but in the meantime, we can lynch Tiberius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
I'm not upset at all the various accusations flying around at me, I'm upset that they still come up after I answered them to satisfaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
@Sigurd: I wasn't thinking. You are no longer suspicious in my book, not like that matters.
Are you a townie GH?
I think we can be pretty sure they are genuine. For a mafia family to risk one of it's members on such a scheme, they would have to be betting that no other detective had investigated JimBob (by the way it's pointless to investigate Glenn).Quote:
Give me some credit at least for coming up with that argument. The problem is that no detectives have showed up with results, and if they did, we don't know if they're genuine (hence my query about wise guys doing the dirty work for adopted families). We'll have to think up something else to check their credentials with, but in the meantime, we can lynch Tiberius.
But what about the wheeze I suggested? Get a wise guy affiliated to the family to lie on their behalf, and that way no full members of the family are risked. The question is whether or not such wise guys get a credit in the family's win if they die before being promoted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
why is it pointless to investigate glenn?
Don's show up as innocent. That is why both Glenn and JimBob need to be investigated to get any real results.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
yeah... but that is what is happening isnt it.. its not useless to investigate glenn... just useless to investigate alone him.
Well I don't know what the Detectives are doing, but I hope that at least 1 of them is going for Glenn and at least 1 other is going for JimBob. Better yet I hope that an FBI detective is going for both at once.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
If a families Don is about to be lynched I'd expect that someone from the family would try to save them.
i hope so too...Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Wise guys are as valuable to a family as a full member. Or close enough anyway. They allow extra kills and become made's pretty quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Not to burst your bubble here Tincow, but I believe that's illegal. Detectives and other roles usually have to reveal publically and what you are suggesting would count as them revealing to you through pm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tincow
@TinCow, the reason it can't work if you volunteer to take results from detectives is that there's no accountability for those detectives. Any Tom Dick or Vincentino can claim to be a detective to you, and there's no way for you to check. Also, if you are mafia you can hit them all without the town knowing who to protect.
If we ask the detective to reveal publicly (in exchange for protection) then they must put themselves in the spotlight, and make themselves open for investigation themselves. No sensible mafia family would place even a wise guy in that position, since they're almost certainly sacrificing him/her.
If we also say that given innocent results, they just say nothing, we have a chance of them 'transmitting' their results to us without revealing. I think we can be almost certain that the detectives are checking out Glenn and Jimbob.
At the same time, lets not forget our other suspects. Tiberius in particular. If we don't get any investigation results this turn, I'm voting for him.
@Glenn, you say you are 'investigating' tonight. I think you should forsake your investigations till we are sure of your innocence, and tie yourself down with pro-town activity. Till we can trust you, I'd rather know you were doing nothing than wonder if you're targeting townies.
@Pann, sorry if I missed credit. I was just noticing the most recent posts :smile:
no they dont... not in this gameQuote:
Originally Posted by Brave_Sir_Robin
I'm quite baffled to see that after being away for almost a day, I didn't have to catch up quite as much as I tought. I didn't even had to read a single pm.
Personally I have to do some rereading about GH, my memory isn't fully working because of lack of sleep and alcohol. (Well I just had my first week of vacation since September, so cut me some slack). No worries though I have always been sober when playing. Thank God!
It's however a case I want to dig into. I have contacts saying a detective investigated him, and he came out as criminal. (This however doesn't mean he therefore is mafia side). Also it seems a lot of persons have been suspecting him from the start.Though I still have some mixed feelings. I hope however that the conclusion of this night will give some insight.
Personally Sasaki gives me a bad feeling in the stomach. Is it just because of what happened last time? Perhaps, I just can't ever thrust him again. Poor me. However sasaki has been inverstigated this night by someone I utterly thrust. As if I were a fool. However the result will probably not been seen as a definite proof in this thread. But I know that the result will influence whether I'll try to make a case or not. Hopefully I'm wrong. A case against a player as Sasaki, is a task not fit for mere mortals, I'm afraid.
Dear me, it does sound as if I have read a bit to many posts made by one of our slightly more eloquent players. ~;)
Another striking thing however is that Pannonian is not wanting Glenn and JimBob to be investigated. Yes some Wiseguy could claim this however if another detective does it he can stand up too. Why would a wiseguy want to do this? I don't think he can gain much points if any with this. Nor does the Wiseguy itself as the point system is secret till after the game. What wiseguy would take this chance? There are other families and they could start up one too, also I think a mafia family won't want to miss a possible recuit that can become a made. They need the few numbers they have to ensure their victory.
Is it perhaps you fear that if Glenn or JimBob or freind investigates you, which would either way happen quite fast, the investigation might be believed? Are you scared you will lose a dear secret? Or is this just a legimate concern?
I know I'm finger pointing a lot, but I just have to ask why a possible good tactic should not be used. Someone needed to ask this question. I however wouldn't vote to lynch you or something at all. However soon, when I recieve a forwarded pm callen N 2 results (or perhaps a slightly higher number) , I might. Also Detectives know that this is the title given to investigation results pms. (I assume Seamus pm titles are the same to all) So this a proof that I in fact do have contact with a detetcive that is to be thrusted. Or at least I hope other detectives did have pm's with the same title. lol. Or I'm screwed.
Anyway I want some awser Pannonian, just to check.
GH, Sasaki you could expect a few questions too. Or a pm conversation if that fits you better.
EDIT: due to the lenght of this post I notice quite a few new posts have been made while I was typing. Hopefully not to much of this post now is outdated or in vain. However no post here should ever be in vain.
Why would a detective be investigating Glenn? He's either a pro-town role or a Don, so either way he shows up innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
Also, i'm curious as to how Kommodus found Hannibilbarc guilty using Holmes. Doesn't Holmes work by comparing players to their posting styles in previous games? I don't belive i've ever seen Hannibalbarc in a game here before.
Good point.Quote:
Why would a detective be investigating Glenn? He's either a pro-town role or a Don, so either way he shows up innocent.
Well Kommo said his behavior mimics a previous mafioso. Though I haven't noticed many posts by Hannibal so it's hard to believe Kommo has had some sort of result on him this early.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brave_Sir_Robin
how's that true? I find that a bold statement to make by someone who doesn't thrust Glenn and has had few contact with him. He can't be a luca or made or perhaps some other mafia role, you say. Why?
Edit: indeed. Kommo has the respect and belief of many. He can use it and abuse it easily. However never may we ignore possible true holmes results.
Who are you talking about? Kinda hard to tell.
The current theory we are going under is that he was a Don protected by his Luca. If he is a made or Luca, I don't see Jimbob sticking up for him like he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
Hmmm. Wel knowing he's innocent I know that's not the case. However it does makes sense, this theory. However a kind of doctor/surgeon could possibly have done it. Or he might have something special at section 2. of a role pm. Everybody seems to have some kind of ability.
(I know this is red part for everyones role pm seamus, but I don't think I'm breaking any rules, as most should have figured this out already.)
Edit: changed yet into already. My sentence wouldn't have made ot much sense otherwise would it?
The false reveal thing was just something that occurred to me during the night, after I'd already made the case for detectives to investigate the pair of them. The fact that I know of no detectives that have gone ahead and investigated them also pointed me in the direction of wanting another way of checking their credentials. As I explained it, if we have a trustworthy detective who can investigate Glenn and jimbob, we have a foolproof way of checking if they're a Don/Made combo. However, I know of no detective so far, and I'm not entirely sure if a reveal comes that it will be trustworthy either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
If your networking has put you in touch with bona fide detectives, feel free to carry out the original plan. It's only because I'm not sure we have the tools for it that I'm looking for another plan, not quite as good, but workable given what we have.
I can live with that explaination. ~:)
That's a good point, I never thought of it like that. I humbly withdraw my offer then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
However, I still think there really is no good reason not to investigate Glenn. He was about to be lynched my a massive margin of votes and we can't even spare one detective to check him out? Surely there is enough of a chance that he's a Made, Wiseguy, Serial Killer, or some other middle-ground role to justify this double-check.
Can someone explain what holmes is? I've never heard the term (outside of the fact holmes is a detective...) before. :stars:
A program that Kommodus made that analyses people's posting habits and compares them to previous games. If they are notably different to their averages, chances are they have a role. There are lots of things that go into it, however.
I'm going to stay up for an hour or two to see if Seamus posts the N2 results and then I'm logging off. I won't be available tomorrow and I'll only be online Monday for long enough to send in my night orders.
I'd really like it if someone could organise protection for me and Pannonian on night 3. I'm a wiseguy so it would be nice to live long enough to be promoted to doctor so I can get points off of a town victory. I think that we should try for a triple lynch. Glenn apparently refused to go along with Pannonian's investigation suggestion so I think it is safe to say that he's a Don and not some Protown role. Lynching Jimbob and Glenn would effectively cripple an entire family unless they got really lucky with wiseguy recruitment. If they really do have some wacky protown role then why hasn't the third guy shown up to confirm the story? Either they are scum or the third guy is going to get WoG'd soon so all we're losing is a couple of detectives that no one will believe anyways.
Bah, so no news of what happened during the night still yet...
Oh, I do enjoy how Woad&Fangs has assumed, seeing as I was working my horses all day, that I have refused then to agree to an investigation.
I have supported an investigation sinch Sasaki first said, "Lynch him"!
I'm not the one stopping you all, nor is Jimbob, in fact I think we'd both like it to occur.
Now, our roles say that we should appear as, "Unclear", if investigated - just a warning - we will not appear criminal, and certainly not guilty as here is our history of night actions;
Glenn N1 - protecting Sigurd Fafnesbane with TruePratorian, Dutch_Guy.
JimBob N1 - Sleeping, (Inactive)
Glenn N2 - Investigating
JimBob N2 - Investigating
I will give the names of the investigated when we have the results and when Jimbob agrees to this.
Oh- another note for you W&F - we don't need a third to investigate.
It's not that hard to follow the clues, son.
I still fear very much that Holmes, though useful before, could be very easily used as a reason for innocence that shouldn't exist.
Still also however, there is no evidence of Kommodus' guilt, and I reap more suspicion than he - I simply wish I had more reason to trust him.
What is going on Seamus? Just how much have you got to write?
I thought that Pannonian said you didn't agree to the investigation. Sorry if I was wrong.
If you both appear as unclear, that would, I believe, be the best possible outcome. Even if you both showed up innocent, it's still possible that one of you is a Don and is duping the other. Unclear ensures that you are, at worst, a wiseguy, which is not a role that we should be concerned with at this point in time, IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I say we lynch at least one tomorrow. I can't see any reason at all for a pro-town role to turn up unclear as default. Also, once more they are revealing an extremely specific part of their supposedly red role pm.Quote:
Now, our roles say that we should appear as, "Unclear", if investigated
Wouldn't you like to know, mafioso? :stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibalbarc
It's hardly random. I'm targeting you because you are a mafioso. A guilty, guilty, mafioso. :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibalbarc
That was the old way of doing things; the method that was becoming increasingly problematic to apply. "Out with the old, in with the new!" Now it doesn't matter as much whether or not they've played before. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by BSR
I never protected Sigurd...we protected Loius...Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
And I agree with Sasaki. I have said it before, and will say it again, if there truly is three of them...does it matter if one of them is lynched? Then when the autopsy comes back we can truly see what they were, and can base the facts upon that.
I can't see any reason either, but I don't make the rules here.
Speaking of rules, you may of made a valid point about how specific I was, I'll have to contact Seamus and see how loud-mouthed I can be here.
I say your strategy of lynching just one of us, just in case, is rather dull.
You would still be killing one of us, and you would still be killing a pro-townie.
If you are sure of our guilt, kill us both, else - let us operate as we must.
I'm not a detective, I'm a detective with a sword.
I doubt I will be using that sword, or else I will appear, "Guilty".
Why is it so quiet?
I imagine everyone is waiting to see who is still alive.
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EDIT
I am sorry if I said Sigurd instead of Louis - I don't think it matters, you know I was protecting somebody - Louis then - and so does Dutch_Guy.
I thought we had made it clear as possible that we need all three of our group - or else we do not function half as well.
If there be only one of us left, we may as well be townies.
But you are very right, Praetorian, lets just kill whoever we might suspect, and then wait three days to see if we were right or not.
I'm sure the Mafia will wait for us, they are a courteous people.
Aren't mades "detectives" in their own sense? :inquisitive:
Can't mades kill? :inquisitive:
And im not saying "kill the pro-twonies!", no. I'm saying "hell, if its so much of a hassle to figure out if we trust them or not, lets just get it over with."
Well, that is a very lazy, and hardly forensic attitude.
Why should anyone listen to the arguments of someone who justs wants to get it over and done with?
Everybody else is taking their time to study the evidence.
Are townies capable of investigating?
Can't they kill?
This is Capo, not regular Mafia.
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Oh, by the way you made a mistake in your title, "Romanum", is not written in the genitive form - fix it! Silly man!
Scratch that! I made a mistake! But peace needs to be altered instead. We're both silly men!
The only reason I said "get it over with" is because most of us are tired of people like you ranting...we would much rather see you out of the way, that way we can see if you were truly lying or not with a simple autopsy. I may not have voted for you the first day...but half of me just wants to lynch you because you won't shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
And read my posts, i have been studying, or are you to busy talking you dont have time to listen??
Oh, yeah I see, right - I won't shut up.
I don't really have a right to answer every post that tries to condemn me I suppose, considering 4 in 5 do so.
Maybe I'll just keep answering you, as it is polite to do, to see how fiery a little goat you are.
Really, don't play this game if you don't expect long conversations that require dedicating a large quantity of thought and patience.
Until you make a valid argument, I hereby don't give a ponytail what you say.
Glenn, you honestly don't get it. I play this game, and continue to play this game, based on the fact of long conversations and investigations. That is the point of Mafia. I hardly see the reason of you accusing me of impatience to long conversations with you, as you must not see that any conversation with you from anyone is a one-sided fit of pleaing and made up code-words on your part. Honestly ask anyone playing... I even recall Pevergreen so fed up as to say "I know who to add to my don't play with list".
I'm not trying to start an argument, not at all. I'm just saying what I think. If you can't stand it and "won't give me a ponytail" or whatever other childish pun you can think of, so be it.
And for the record, if I wanted anymore spam and ridiculous arguments I'd listen to Hillary Clinton.
Are you calling me an old woman?
Blue eight eagle braveheart.
It is time to mash the hot bun. Out.
(I'm going to be off for a while, so you can all breathe easy and talk about things without getting annoyed.)
Glenn - if you indeed have an all-red role you broke the rules by telling us that you would come up Unclear.
Good idea. Lynch one now, deal with the rest of them when the first one comes up guilty.Quote:
I say we lynch at least one tomorrow. I can't see any reason at all for a pro-town role to turn up unclear as default. Also, once more they are revealing an extremely specific part of their supposedly red role pm.
Thank God im not the only one that thinks so. Hopefully we all know who we want to lynch, i have some ideas :yes: ...
Well, what I see here looks a bit like what Crazed Rabbit described earlier.
If glenn isn't a detective and gets off the hook now, he will try to lead the town posing as a detective and that can only be a bad thing. On the other hand, if he is a detective,well, we have other detectivesit wouldn't be that good to lynch him although not too bad either.
A few points.
#904
Why are those the only two options. This is Capo, we are dealing with more than either/or. Maybe there is something more than a Luca or Doctor protecting us? I can't explain an we all know why, but there are mechanics acting in our favor, they are neither doctor nor luca.Quote:
He was protected night one. The odds are better that he was a don getting protected by a luca than a doctor choosing to protect him.
What holes? There are no holes in the truth. Believe us or not we will be vindicated in the post game. I've got the truth on my side and it will see me through.Quote:
He makes up a simply outlandish claim full of holes a mile wide. Even then, the third member of their 'group' hasn't been found, suggesting idiocy or non-existence.
As to our third member; again there are more than two options. Why must it be only that we told a lie or our third is stupid? Maybe he is one of the 21 people who are inactive and not voting.
#936
No it won't. It'll only hurt the town by taking away two people who can aid the town. The third will apparently be WoG'd soon. I hope that like in the last Capo he'd be replaced by a random townie (I replaced a detective on N5 I believe). So hopefully our third will come to us by one or another method soon.Quote:
Lynching Jimbob and Glenn would effectively cripple an entire family unless they got really lucky with wiseguy recruitment. If they really do have some wacky protown role then why hasn't the third guy shown up to confirm the story? Either they are scum or the third guy is going to get WoG'd soon so all we're losing is a couple of detectives that no one will believe anyways.
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Good thing you're not Seamus, cause apparently he can, and apparently he put it in the rules. It's the !@#$%#&$&#&@% truth. All you'll get by killing us is that the mafia will have to look over their shoulder less.Quote:
I say we lynch at least one tomorrow. I can't see any reason at all for a pro-town role to turn up unclear as default.
This is the first time. Seamus has cleared all other information given. (See Post 751 if you have questions). So don't assert that we've given specific information from our roles PM. There is a whole hell of a lot that you don't know. Don't twist facts, it's beneath an innocent townie like you.Quote:
Also, once more they are revealing an extremely specific part of their supposedly red role pm.
Glenn did cross the line here. Apologies to all the players here. But don't use this one instance to paint the rest of our behavior with a broad brush.
We have to assume that because that's the only logical explanation.Quote:
Why are those the only two options. This is Capo, we are dealing with more than either/or. Maybe there is something more than a Luca or Doctor protecting us? I can't explain an we all know why, but there are mechanics acting in our favor, they are neither doctor nor luca.
Twist the facts?Quote:
This is the first time. Seamus has cleared all other information given. So don't assert that we've given specific information from our roles PM. There is a whole hell of a lot that you don't know. Don't twist facts, it's beneath an innocent townie like you.
Glenn did cross the line here. Apologies to all the players here. But don't use this one instance to paint the rest of our behavior with a broad brush.
I believe you both said your entire role PM's were red or most of them anyways. You didn't post the part of your PM's that may not have been red. This to me is starting to seem more and more like a ploy. Saying your entire PM is red then using a part of the PM that apparently isn't red to help Glenn and your case. It's a strange phenomenon I guess.:thumbsdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I'm betting they made up the Red PM. The third person has not been willing to come forward (Though I have my suspicions) and until that happens I can't trust that they are telling the truth.
Even if he does come forward...it might be fake.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
If they are telling the truth, as far as I can tell, they've broken the rules. We know alot about their roles even though they weren't alowed to tell us. Odd? I think so.
And so I don't get accused for not posting what we "know" (were told):
-We know there is 3
-They are "pro-town"
-They use code-words
-They appear unclear
-Glenn "is a detective with a sword"
-They can save lives
-Roles in red
Anything else, please feel free to post :book:
Apparently they have the ability to change the color of their role PM's as well. ~;)
I suppose this is fair enough, I looked up the rogue detective from last game and he came up as "criminal" under investigation.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBob
Lose the attitude, if I were modding the game I'd have WoG'd you both. Maybe seamus is more lenient. How come you express certainty that I'm an innocent townie?Quote:
This is the first time. Seamus has cleared all other information given. (See Post 751 if you have questions). So don't assert that we've given specific information from our roles PM. There is a whole hell of a lot that you don't know. Don't twist facts, it's beneath an innocent townie like you.
Glenn did cross the line here. Apologies to all the players here. But don't use this one instance to paint the rest of our behavior with a broad brush.
Glenn has one and JimBob another. How could you forget that? :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian