meh, you have director tho.
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meh, you have director tho.
Bah. A bunch of wussies, these mafia families.
CR
Relax, CR, we'll have our fun still. :yes:
See, there is not going to be an all-mafia victory. Here's how they could have achieved an all-mafia victory: the lucas and mades of all but one family start killing under the banner of one single family. Once all members of a family are mades to this unified family, their dons are left without family members and can start killing too, to work their way to made status with the one, united mafia family. The rules allow it. In fact, it is the only way within the rules for a unified mafia win. Also, seeing as how the rules clearly allow a unified victory in this manner, there is absolutely no reason to accept any other way. The rules are very strict on how to achieve a unified mafia victory, the option is clearly presented, and the mafia didn't take it. So I wish some mafiosi would play like men and stop littering the thread with their incessant whining for new conditions, like they have been ever since it became clear that the town had pwned them.
If the mafia wanted a united win, the option was there. Alas, the mafia didn't see this option, didn't desire this option, or simply couldn't pull it off*. So any cries since yesterday of a 'shared mafia win' must be considered a ploy by some mafiosi. And / or a desperate attempt by some other mafiosi to run crying to the referee for new victory conditions.
So either:
- the mafia families really follow through with their plan of not attacking each other plus whining to the referee to allow new victory conditions.
- or, they won't stick to their truce and we can say 'told you so' to a great many of yesterday's panicing mafiosi. Their boasting about their victory was a bit premature, it seems. Like the town told them it was.
The former option means that all, and the latter that many, of the mafiosi left alive at this moment will not end this game as the cunning players they have been bragging they are, but rather as the laughing stock of .org mafia. :beam:
Because it's one thing to lose. It's another to be a panicing wussy trying to bend the rules. But to be a wussy AND to brag how you've won AND to lose anyway AND to have been told in advance...:smash:
(*However, they can still pull it off, at least to a fair degree. Hence, I suggest that all town players attack each other tonight. We must not allow the mafia enough kills for them to form into a unified family.)
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
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I am laughing because the mafia arent the ones whining.
Would you (or any other Don/Made/Luca who reads this) please quote your victory conditions here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
The town is just mad because they failed.
I would, but Alas, I am dead and hence it would be breaking some game rules. Oh, there are some nifty red pieces in there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
How does it feel townies? having a big LOSER written on your foreheads. :laugh4:
I googled the term "sportsmanship".
Look what I found:
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Sportsmanship expresses an aspiration or ethos that the activity will be enjoyed for its own sake, with proper consideration for fairness, ethics, respect, and a sense of fellowship with one's competitors.
Often the pressures of competition, individual achievement, or introduction of technology can seem to work against enjoyment by participants. As a result, sportsmanship is often contrasted with its converse, gamesmanship.
Poor sportsmanship can either be the winners "rubbing salt in the wounds" of the losers, or the losers expressing their frustration at not winning, even to the point of holding a grudge.
I think there is some poor sportsmanship on both ends at this point. We won, but we should be gracious in victory. Similarly, we won and the Town should accep that.
Lol. 'you' don't win. :balloon2:
Feel the love.
Criticize sportsmanship after the game. Most of this gloating is baiting for crowd effect. Watch these next couple turns and you'll see, there's much more game to be played.
Methinks the lady doth protest...correctly.
Come on ...
It's our Germanic warrior genes.
We feel the urge to taunt the enemy before the battle. Can't help it. :sweatdrop:
It's a shame that the town is defeated. Nobody left to annoy with wrong tallies, senseless accusations, no more trying to convince them to lynch a detective or an innocent townie :bigcry:
Can the mafia just leave one of them alive? I need somebody to play with and, more important, to keep cleaning my gravestone...
My own pet slave, you know.
Well, I always wonder how much the dead can be credited for such a victory or defeat anyway, they can pull some strings behind the scenes but they cannot vote anymore and cannot post a whole lot of evidence or whatever in the public discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
On a different note I think more things should be written in stone by the gamemaster before the game starts, alterations to game rules or anything like that should only be done during the game when they apply to all player groups in the same way.
But I'll stop whining here and will just conclude that I'm not up to the task of mafia games and might want to stop playing them as my track record went only further downhill the more of them I played. :shrug:
If it makes you feel any better, I considered you one of my most reliable men. You were always a top pick for any important hit. Of course, so were TruePraetorian and Caius, so perhaps that's not as nice a compliment as I want it to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
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The funny thing is, I am neither whining nor being a poor sport. All I am doing is posting a crystal clear analysis of the situation. To think the mafia needs a town player to explain it all to them. :smash:
Anyway, the first family to acknowledge that Louis has been right wins. The others lose. I don't care which one it will be. Far from being a poor sport, this family will get my congratulations for their win after the game. :2thumbsup:
Until then, I will have my fun though. You're all living players and there's nothing unsportsmanlike in provoking the living.
The option for setting up a single family for a unified mafia victory was there. The mafia didn't take this option. Similarly, the option for town players to join a unified family was there as well. We didn't seize it either. Now you don't win the game by shouting that you did, you win it by winning. By being part of the winning fraction. This is what I meant earlier with 'the town might as well claim to be part of the winning fraction'. We aren't, and neither are most mafiosi (yet). So any call for unified win was a bit premature. At best. More probably, a lethal mistake for most.
It looks like the pwned mafia managed to get themselves in a tight spot yesterday. There really wasn't any masterplan. There was only mass panic. We now get to enjoy the spectacle of people who have been high fiving each other with their win having to kill each other. Through pre-meditated betrayal. Or, more probable and even better yet, unwillingly.
Now, either the pwned mafia does what the town tells them to do, that is, start killing each other against their will. Which will be a great laugh. Or they don't, in which case the mafia families don't win after all, which will be a great laugh too.
That's what I meant with this town's mafia being the laughing stock of the .org. ~;p
Well, the mafia still have one common goal: kill all townies. They will succeed at that.
Once the townies are all dead, the mafiosi can decide: fight each other in a great, heroic Mafia Battle Royal or stick together until the host has no other option then to declare this game over.
One thing is for sure: the town will not win :shrug:
Brilliant analysis, Louis.
Mafia certainly have some hard work set out before themselves - much tougher than just deciding which unsuspecting townie to snuff.
Who will be the first to break this unholy "coalition of the willing", unleashing the bloodbath of rival mafia murders?
Most interesting to the reader (and dead player) will be the daytime lynch cycles, once all the townies are gone.
Better than TV, my friend. There can be only one "Capo de Tutti Capi".
Speaking as a volunteer pro-townie (now deceased) I must say: town did a pretty good job of staving off relentless attacks from 5 (five!) mafia families, given the amount of information they were allowed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
My only personal regret was that I revealed too late. I should have done so soon after Crazed Rabbit got lynched, when the 'tipping point' of town v mafia numbers was more town favorable. Maybe I (we) could have awakened our slumbering (then WoGged) lurker townies.
The town did very well indeed :bow:
But the town is also the strongest faction in this game.
Don't forget that one family (mine, and I'm the one to blame :wall:) was already taken out before the game even really started. Alot of mafiosi got killed or lynched in the first few days of the game.
By forging an alliance, the mafia families made the right decision. It was (and still is! So stick to your allies my mafia brethren, at least until the town is exterminated!) their only chance of taking out their strongest and also mutual opponent: the town.
After they have taken care of you guys, well, we'll see what happens next.
Should have been more precise. The question was adressed to living mafiosi. Actually dead Dons are of little interest to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
So which living mafioso wants to prove me wrong once and for all and quotes his mafia victory conditions here in the thread?
Unfortunately we dont have to proof anything anymore. The control of the situation has passed to us. You can take one or two of us with you, but thats about it.~:smoking:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
So you´re dictating the rules to the game host and are proud of it? That´s poor sport, if there ever was one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
No.The game host dictates the rules, thats pretty simple. What im saying is that there is no need for mafia to start handing out their role pm´s to the town to prove anything.:smash:Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
I don't believe Kage is dictating the rules to the host, he's merely stating the current situation. Namely that the town lose if everything goes as it seems to be going, and that there is little the living townies can actively do to stop it. Quite frankly, the power has shifted, and the ball is in their court.Quote:
Originally Posted by Haudegen
And I'm also going to use this post to remind everyone, and no one in particular, that this is still a game and should be treated as such. Some seem to have forgotten that essential fact, and it's ruining a great game.
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~:idea: Simply for the continuing amusement of the 50+ "dead" players, Gameroom staff should maybe start a poll, listing the remaining mafia families, and the remaining 3 or 4 nights, asking the question: "Who will be the first family to 'crack' and attack another mafia family, and when?".
Then we could all place our bets.
Just a thought.
How about a poll: "Which townie will be left alive to serve as cleaner of Andres' gravestone" ?Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
LOL, I'm all for it. Though your poll might get fewer votes than my proposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Or maybe I underestimate the popularity of gravestone cleaning chores.:laugh4:
I agree that this current discussion is not really useful. It was natural and proper for the mafia to celebrate as a group when it became clear that the town had been defeated. They deserved to have a short period to pat themselves on the back for a job well done. However, there are still three families remaining and I think we all know that they will fight it out to determine which one is the winner. There's plenty of entertainment to come for us corpses, so let's just sit back, watch, and perhaps speculate where appropriate. The next few night and day phases will be interesting, so let's let them take their natural course.