Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

Bah, these mobsters don't deserve that name!

They're scared of a few remaining townies. Sure says something about their confidence when each individual family outnumbers the remaining townies, but they still quake in fear! Bah! Tis not a great shame to lose to killers, but to lose to a bunch of pansies...

:shame:

Or wait...

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kage 8 (prole, xehh,shlin,caius,gibson,TwilightBlade, scottishranger,truePraetorian)
cauis 5 (kage,sasaki,Joe Monks,CountArach,LeetErickon)

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So, the 'truce' lasted for all of 1/2 a night when the chips were down.

:laugh4:

CR

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1) Lucas can't kill alone

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How do you explain Dutch_Guy killing on his own after the strachi family was ripped apart?
However, If I'm not a 1.000 miles off your luca is indeed dead.

I think DG was killing with gibson or another of the Stracchi recruits.

Trust me, Lucas cannot kill alone.

For God's sake... :wall:

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

There is 3 of Cunnios. You almost got us against each other with your stunt.Good job remaining town.

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LOL. Looks more like the Cunnios have stopped bothering trying to play it sly. They're just going to lynch you. The only chance the Barzinis now have is to work with the remaining townies to lynch Craterus. Good luck trying to get that one organized. :laugh4:

TinCow, would you mind posting that Illuminati declaration now? I need something to take my mind off this mess.

The Barzinis are finished, Cunnio just has to mop up the rest of the opposition.

Though if the mafia must win, I'm glad it's the Cunnios. Heck, I feel almost like family.
:beam:
CR

well well, looks like scum can't be trusted after all.

Theres no honour among thieves.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Are you one of the remnants of the Tataglia?

I've been wondering about mafia on mafia hits, and whether they have to leave calling cards in these cases. It might be worth checking up with Seamus on this, and if it turns out they don't need to leave signs, then those thusly proving their innocence would look very dubious indeed.

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He is a Cunni(ng) man

Firstly, an apology to Kage. The mafia could never function properly with the 2 of us opposed. There is too much suspicion and disunity. I know you were probably planning my demise so I decided to beat you to the punch while I had the advantage. You were/are (the former, I hope) a worthy adversary.

This brings me to my second point. I implore what's left of the Barzini family to join mine. A family war now will hand the game to the town. I propose that we stop the killing (I'm a pacifist ~;) why else were the Cunnio so quiet for the whole game?) and take the win. Of course, if you really must take revenge, then you can go for that but in the interest of a mafia win, I suggest the first proposed plan of action. The greater good and everything.

Let me know guys.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

Firstly, an apology to Kage. The mafia could never function properly with the 2 of us opposed. There is too much suspicion and disunity. I know you were probably planning my demise so I decided to beat you to the punch while I had the advantage. You were/are (the former, I hope) a worthy adversary.

This brings me to my second point. I implore what's left of the Barzini family to join mine. A family war now will hand the game to the town. I propose that we stop the killing (I'm a pacifist ~;) why else were the Cunnio so quiet for the whole game?) and take the win. Of course, if you really must take revenge, then you can go for that but in the interest of a mafia win, I suggest the first proposed plan of action. The greater good and everything.

Let me know guys.

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So was it you or Kage who killed EF?

Believe it or not, it wasn't me. It may have been Kage, it may not have been.

Let's see here, the town loses if the Cunnios win. If Kage is lynched here and the Cunnios have free reign to exterminate the Barzinis tonight, then the Cunnios win. Therefore the town should help the Barzinis in order to help themselves. The town and the Barzinis should now both switch their votes to Craterus for the lynch. That would help to even up the score. The town also conveniently has access to Doctors. Wouldn't that be useful in a mafia war?

I think it's time for the Cunnios to die.

Actually TinCow, the town only loses faster if Kage survives. He has a Luca (why haven't you revealed his name publicly again? tut tut scummy) and his Don 'luck' to spare. A lynch is the only way to get rid of him and today's the only day the town has a chance of majority. Let alone the fact that the town cant even raise enough people for a vigilante group, did that slip your mind?

You led the townies wrong many times before TinCow, don't do it again.

It doesn't matter if the Barzinis still have a Luca, since the town can't kill anyone outside of a lynch. The Luca is only useful against you. Cunnio has more men than Barzini. If Kage is lynched here, they will win this evening's festivities decisively, removing the only opposition to Cunnio power. If the Cunnios lynch Kage and win the battle tonight, then the town loses. If the Cunnios lynch Kage and win the battle tonight, then the Barzinis also lose. The only chance that either of them have is to lynch you right now. Tomorrow night can be dealt with tomorrow night. For right now, unless they cooperate the Cunnios have won. It's pretty simple.

Well, assume away TinCow, but you're wrong.

Let's see, the Barzini have:
Kagemusha
Joe Monks
CountArach
Sasaki Kojiro
and... Fizz/Leet Errikson - yes, that famous townie, Leet Errikson. In fact a mole.

The Cunnio family consists of:
Craterus
TruePraetorian
Xehh II

I can really see how we're outnumbered now.

And what of Twilightblade and scottishranger? They seem to be voting in lock-step with you.

hmm I guess if you guys want to fight during the day like townies we can do that. How unexciting.

Barzini has 5 votes:
Kage
Joe monks
Leet
Sasaki
CountA

Cunnio has 5 votes:
Craterus (can't vote)
TrueP
Xehh
T'blade
scottish
gibson

So we will tie eachother (giving crat the decider). The town's three votes could swing things. So townies, which would you rather be beaten by, the family that didn't kill all game and which now includes Xehh who abandoned you at the last moment, along with scottish/gibson who jumped ship without care when their don died? Or with the family that masterminded the towns defeat? Your call ~D

unvote,vote:Craterus

As far as I'm aware, gibson and scottish are going after the person they believe to have killed their Don. I think it is viable to suggest that they will make clear their allegiance at the end of, or even during, this phase. Picking the winning family, if they have any sense.

Interesting point on Xehh there Sasaki. And yet, you went out of your way to ditch the town and join the mafia. Pretty dirty play against your assigned team, don't you think?

Didn't kill all game, surely that shows I'm pro-town. Technically, I have been. I'd rather see the town win than another family, no matter what the victory conditions say. By not killing, I've passively been working for them the whole game.

Masterminded the town's defeat? You overestimate yourselves. I knew all along that the mafia truce was a sham, it's the reason we didn't attend the Don meeting among other things. And its impossible to mastermind anything at this stage, your 2 enemy families could have acted very differently. Your arrogance is surprising... If you honestly think you were being subtle until now, think again. Kage has been unnaturally insistent that the truce won't be broken and his great big family would come to the rescue if it was. It basically confirmed that you were the bad guys. Also, Sasaki is part of that family, you know he would only ever join the team he thought was going to win.

However, I hope that this points gibson and scottish in the right direction and I will kindly ask them not to change their votes from Kage.

So, there you go townies, I'll let you make the decision. Because really, your votes just decide which family wins, it's unlikely that the town can win from this position.

Vote for brazini or to be precise Kagemusha!

I have a proposition:

A general truce, across all factions.


This is the honourable way out of the current stalemate. As it stands, the game will be a win between two families, to be decided upon by the whim of the town. This is no way to end Capo.
The town has no realistic way of winning. Yet, the mafia truce has been broken, and can't be restored. So a common mafia win is inconceivable as well. However, the mafia has been playing as one for most of the game, and might want to actually share their destiny after all. Of course, in my proposal, the general truce / victory is extended to all families / mafiosi without a don.

There is something for everyone in this proposal: The town doesn't lose. The mafia can still pride themselves on having outplayed the town. The donless families have made sacrifices on behalf of the common mafia cause, and are in this manner included with full honour.

All six factions stand to benefit, and can congratulate each other for cunning plots they've pulled off at various stages in the game. We all share in the glory without exception, and will leave everything else to Seamus' individual score tabs.

Please let us know what you think. I myself am a dead, unafiliated wiseguy, and stand to gain or lose nothing by this. My sole desire is to end this glorious game on a high for everybody.

I, for one, think this is the honourable way to end this game.

*reads*

*pauses*

*bursts out laughing*

I don't really care at this point. The more mafiosi die, the better. Preferably all, but hey, that's no longer realistic. Just go ahead and lynch a few before the end of game. :2thumbsup:

I personally want to see the mafia rip each other to shreds in an all out war. If I remember correctly there are 3 townies and 3 wiseguys so there's a lot of devious plots that can still be hatched.

Little chance of that Louis. The situation is that the town is dead, but there are also 3 mafia families, 1 of which is larger than the other 2. This larger family has taken advantage of this to weaken another family, while still hiding behind the truce. Having tried to get away with this, they're not going to agree to another truce, and even if they do, I'm not sure if anyone would trust them to keep it. So, assuming that the town will continue to be killed off, the most likely scenario is that the larger family will continue to pick off the others, until they can muster enough strength to outnumber the other 2 families combined. Once that's the case, there's no more need to persuade the other families to hold their fire, as they'll be able to force a win.

Has anyone asked Seamus yet whether mafia on mafia hits need to show calling signs?

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

I have a proposition:

A general truce, across all factions.


This is the honourable way out of the current stalemate. As it stands, the game will be a win between two families, to be decided upon by the whim of the town. This is no way to end Capo.
The town has no realistic way of winning. Yet, the mafia truce has been broken, and can't be restored. So a common mafia win is inconceivable as well. However, the mafia has been playing as one for most of the game, and might want to actually share their destiny after all. Of course, in my proposal, the general truce / victory is extended to all families / mafiosi without a don.

There is something for everyone in this proposal: The town doesn't lose. The mafia can still pride themselves on having outplayed the town. The donless families have made sacrifices on behalf of the common mafia cause, and are in this manner included with full honour.

All six factions stand to benefit, and can congratulate each other for cunning plots they've pulled off at various stages in the game. We all share in the glory without exception, and will leave everything else to Seamus' individual score tabs.

Please let us know what you think. I myself am a dead, unafiliated wiseguy, and stand to gain or lose nothing by this. My sole desire is to end this glorious game on a high for everybody.

I, for one, think this is the honourable way to end this game.

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Louis go back...what...ONE page??

You were saying "whining mafioso" for years and years...now you want a truce?

Hold on. By the way, current tally below. Check it while im thinking.

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Craterus is right, how can any of you accuse him after so-nobilly trying to defeat the town??

Sasaki, your a funny man when you are desperate. And did anyone wonder WHY he joined the Barzini, who at the time had 4 people AND a Luca, instead of Cunnio or Tatagalia? Each with 3 men and NO Luca??

Kage, ive been in chat quite a bit lately, you are in no position to say "we broke the truce". You have been planning it this entire time. Hint hint, watch who is online before you speak of sabotage.

Leet Erikson, funny story. I thought he was a townie in chat, so i asked him if he wanted to join A family, not specifically ours. He said sure, ill join YOUR family. Funny thing is, he never participated in the night phase, instead Kage tells us he is Barzini. If you guys were planning on ending in a mafia-truce, then everyone in your family should have known about it (IT WAS MADE PUBLIC), and he wouldnt have been hiding. Unless you were trying to make your numbers smaller, to hide your clear dominance of the game??

CA, of all people knows that i told him our family symbol on, hmm, around N10? maybe N11 im not sure. But wasnt it said that our symbol was unknown? HOW CAN YOU BLAME US IF YOU ARE LYING? Trying to frame us, trying to get EF against us. Also, claiming that you didnt kill him..PLEASE say you are kidding. 2 people and town cant do it, but you have Sasaki, Leet, CA, and joe monks. 2 to kill Ironside as stated..what were the other two doing? Exactly. Killing EF is what they were doing.

And now Joe Monks, well, i kmow little about him. Except one valuable fact. To say the least, i find it odd why TinCow is supporting you guys..thats not what the PM's say.

Oh yeah, Loius..

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Nice post :thumbsup:

*"Plant a seed. Watch it grow"*

@Group I: Refer to my previous PM; codeword: Starfish.

.. All this revealing, supposed or not, is ruinous of the endgame.

You can't all maintain whatever mystery there is left until the post-game write up?

I think I, Craterus and Sasaki gave a pretty good rundown of the current situation: there will be a win by either of two families. Which one, is to be decided upon by the town.

That is ridiculous. My proposal, on the other hand, is not. Far from it.

For a start, what is the winning family going to say after the game? 'Yay, we won! We won because the town loved our beedy little eyes better than those of the other family!!!1!!

There is no honour in that. Sure, lots of little ploys are yet possible. Both families can win. Even a town win is still possible. But no faction can win without relying on a perfectly random preference of the other factions.

I would also like to remind people that last years Capo ended with 14 living players, the exact amount we have now as well.

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Louis go back...what...ONE page?? :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

You were saying "whining mafioso" for years and years

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Nope. What I have been saying, for years and years, was that there wouldn't be a unified mafia win. I don't hear anybody laughing about that anymore either. :book:

You think your family is on top now, TP. Well, actually you are. But this can change rapidly, mind.


Edit: so once again, I was absolutely serious in my proposal. I realise the very idea of a general truce sounds preposterous upon first reading. But just think it over for a while...

It is nowhere near as silly as it looks like at first sight. In fact, it makes perfect sense.

Im not saying we are on top. If you think about it, we arent. Kage still does have 5 people against 3. It is not our fault EF was killed, and that the tatagalias would rather not join the killers of their don. Thats their choice, and think about it...would you side with the guy who just killed your father? No, not unless you were threatened, and what do we have to threaten them with? Nothing. We cant, we dont have the power to do anything.

Maybe your treaty will work, but not with Kagemusha. The Cunnio's have already stated that we will not kill any townies, we would rather kill Kage, then his henchmen, until the game ends. By the way, its not even necessary that the Barzinis die at all. Instead, they can join the Cunnio's and end the game just like that...one life (kage) for the rest of them.

And Loius, come on, ya know youve been tryin your little physcology tricks :laugh4:

Just look at your first or second post after my opening post (the one where i revealed alot of info). Look at all your recent postes for a scope of it.