Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

Im not saying we are on top. If you think about it, we arent. Kage still does have 5 people against 3. It is not our fault EF was killed, and that the tatagalias would rather not join the killers of their don. Thats their choice, and think about it...would you side with the guy who just killed your father? No, not unless you were threatened, and what do we have to threaten them with? Nothing. We cant, we dont have the power to do anything.

Maybe your treaty will work, but not with Kagemusha. The Cunnio's have already stated that we will not kill any townies, we would rather kill Kage, then his henchmen, until the game ends. By the way, its not even necessary that the Barzinis die at all. Instead, they can join the Cunnio's and end the game just like that...one life (kage) for the rest of them.

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Is Kage Don Barzini? Didn't someone say earlier that he's just a Luca, and that he should be got rid of so as to gain access to their Don?

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

Maybe your treaty will work, but not with Kagemusha. The Cunnio's have already stated that we will not kill any townies, we would rather kill Kage, then his henchmen, until the game ends. By the way, its not even necessary that the Barzinis die at all. Instead, they can join the Cunnio's and end the game just like that...one life (kage) for the rest of them.

And Loius, come on, ya know youve been tryin your little physcology tricks :laugh4:

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No Jedi mind tricks this time, my dear TP. It is not a treaty proposal, but an end-game proposal. :bow:

Also, Seamus has already said he'll allow it. (Anybody can PM him to check himself for confirmation). Also, after last night's and today's events, Seamus will certainly not allow any joint mafia victory anymore, if ever he even considered it.


Here is the important part:
The town is currently allied with Craterus' family. If Kagemusha's family doesn't accept the proposal to end the game, the alliance with Craterus' family will hold, and Craterus will win. If, however, Kage accepts and Craterus does not, the town will block switch it's vote to Craterus, and Kagemusha wins.

If Kage or Craterus dies does the other don win ?

If so i think votes should hold to lynch kage give Craterus the victory

If not town should go down fighting, taking as many scum down with them as possible

This is just petty arguing at this point.

unvote,vote:no lynch

Let's decide the game with guns not votes. This isn't a fitting end to capo

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

This is just petty arguing at this point.

unvote,vote:no lynch

Let's decide the game with guns not votes. This isn't a fitting end to capo

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Would this be because you'll lose on votes? BTW Sasaki, was it you who suggested decapitating the Tataglias at this stage, or did the main Barzini family plan this themselves?

The last couple pages have been pure delight. Now the question is, should the town take down the traitor Sasaki? Or should they take down the traitor True Praetorian? Who's done more to kick us around and poison us from the inside? Who deserves the greater shame from Fatlington? This one's for CR . . . and Louis . . . and LittleGrizzly . . . and Myrddraal . . . and KukriKhan . . . and me . . . and all the rest of your hapless victims, scum!

Ajax

You know what.This isnt a master plan of Cunnio.This is master plan of Town. As i said before, i didnt brake the truce. Cunnio wouldnt have a chance in hell to lynch me with their votes only. Now town is choosing Don Cunnio, a "mighty" mafia leader with a single kill as Capo de Tutti Capo. Well, be my guest. I rather hang today and give the victory to the other mafia, then start acting as patsy of the town. All i say to Craterus, is that you must truly be proud of your victory given to you by town, which you could not have ever won yourself. I wish for the remaining Barzini to keep their votes in Caius. There is no sense in starting and hopping around as town wishes. Il be at work when the deadline arrives, so i guess congratulations are in order for Craterus. I myself have fullfilled my main victory condition by creating mafia victory. I hope you are able to be proud of your "huge" achievement also. Traitor.:bow:

Kill Kage.

Kill the barzinis. The mafia (Cunnio) will win, and Kage's family seems destined to die foolishly ('let's solve this with guns, since we have so many more goons, and not votes, because our don is about to be lynched.') But at least Sasaki will die. :beam:

EDIT: Kage, you only lay out the reasons to lynch you instead of craterus.
Why should not the town kill the one who was it's undoing, while choosing the lesser of two evils, the family that killed only once?
Is it not desirable that we snatch away victory from the mafia that did their utmost to attain it, to punish those who harmed us the most?

Twas you guys who wanted to elect a mafia director and thus free up his luca yesterday. Reap then your rewards, scum!

CR

And, predictably, when Kagemusha and the Barzinis' betrayal is so blatantly revealed, they try to blame it on the town. All . . . um, 3 of us.

Ajax

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Originally Posted by ajaxfetish

And, predictably, when Kagemusha and the Barzinis' betrayal is so blatantly revealed, they try to blame it on the town. All . . . um, 3 of us.

Ajax

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If you people cant count what 4 votes can achieve at this point, its your problem.Im not accusing anyone.You with your 4 votes have chosen Craterus as your boss, so you shall have him. Im off to work, thanks for a great game.:smash:

Really. Kage, sorry, but if your grand plans were undone by three townies you don't deserve the Captain of Captains title anymore than Craterus.

I would've won, sneered the mafia don, if only it weren't for those dratted couple of townies!
~;p
Sorry, but none of these families measure up to the white gloves.

Master plan of the town? Crate has more votes than us and can't be killed at night!
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CR

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

CA, of all people knows that i told him our family symbol on, hmm, around N10? maybe N11 im not sure. But wasnt it said that our symbol was unknown? HOW CAN YOU BLAME US IF YOU ARE LYING? Trying to frame us, trying to get EF against us. Also, claiming that you didnt kill him..PLEASE say you are kidding. 2 people and town cant do it, but you have Sasaki, Leet, CA, and joe monks. 2 to kill Ironside as stated..what were the other two doing? Exactly. Killing EF is what they were doing.

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Wow, lynching my DOn is really putting me in a position where I feel like backing you up on something...

*Swears to the computer screen. VERY LOUDLY.*

Alright, here we go. On the second poit of what our family was doing:

LEET ERIKSON IS NOT A WISE GUY NOR ANY MAFIA ROLE.

How in the hell could he have killed your Don?

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Really. Kage, sorry, but if your grand plans were undone by three townies you don't deserve the Captain of Captains title anymore than Craterus.

I would've won, sneered the mafia don, if only it weren't for those dratted couple of townies!
~;p
Sorry, but none of these families measure up to the white gloves.

Master plan of the town? Crate has more votes than us and can't be killed at night!
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CR

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CR what part you dont understand. There wont be a night after this day. My 4 men, will join Cunnio and its game over.All other Dons are dead and mafia outnumbers the town. This just shows what sore loosers you are. Im happy with the mafia victory like i said, there just is not enough people with sense of honor to allow me have it together with other mafia.

ET was killed by his own family, after Crate got to them. Neither family could compete with the Barzini's, and I'm sure both families knew this. The Barzini's could only kill one person last night with two Mades, a Luca, and a townie. Logically this makes sense. Good game Crate you've won.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

As far as I'm aware, gibson and scottish are going after the person they believe to have killed their Don. I think it is viable to suggest that they will make clear their allegiance at the end of, or even during, this phase. Picking the winning family, if they have any sense.

Interesting point on Xehh there Sasaki. And yet, you went out of your way to ditch the town and join the mafia. Pretty dirty play against your assigned team, don't you think?

Didn't kill all game, surely that shows I'm pro-town. Technically, I have been. I'd rather see the town win than another family, no matter what the victory conditions say. By not killing, I've passively been working for them the whole game.

Masterminded the town's defeat? You overestimate yourselves. I knew all along that the mafia truce was a sham, it's the reason we didn't attend the Don meeting among other things. And its impossible to mastermind anything at this stage, your 2 enemy families could have acted very differently. Your arrogance is surprising... If you honestly think you were being subtle until now, think again. Kage has been unnaturally insistent that the truce won't be broken and his great big family would come to the rescue if it was. It basically confirmed that you were the bad guys. Also, Sasaki is part of that family, you know he would only ever join the team he thought was going to win.

However, I hope that this points gibson and scottish in the right direction and I will kindly ask them not to change their votes from Kage.

So, there you go townies, I'll let you make the decision. Because really, your votes just decide which family wins, it's unlikely that the town can win from this position.

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yep, that's what I thought was behind your enthusiasm for these 'peace' plans

lets remember to take out the town guys - as you can see from this DonC doesn't really care about that little detail

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

ET was killed by his own family, after Crate got to them.

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That's a possible explanation :yes:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Blahblahblah, Lies, lies, lies

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Blahblahblah, Lies, lies, lies

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Blahblahblah, Lies, lies, lies

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Why is the mafia listening to TinCow, Crazed Rabbit and Louis ? They are just trying to take out as many scum as possible. They are not interested in anything else.

You don't know for sure who murdered EF, but you all know for sure who is the enemy: the town. Kill of all townies first. After that, you can worry about the other famil(y)(ies).

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Originally Posted by Andres

That's a possible explanation :yes:

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What was the calling card for ET's family Andres, do you know?

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

What was the calling card for ET's family Andres, do you know?

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Nope :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

ET was killed by his own family, after Crate got to them. Neither family could compete with the Barzini's, and I'm sure both families knew this. The Barzini's could only kill one person last night with two Mades, a Luca, and a townie. Logically this makes sense. Good game Crate you've won.

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The original family members can never kill their own Don, they must stay true to him him to the very end.

:balloon2:

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

The original family members can never kill their own Don, they must stay true to him him to the very end.

:balloon2:

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Not true:

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2. If your family has lost its Don, or if your group has never had one, you may ascend to the Role of Don by: a) having at least one other Made in the family/group (2 or more needed), b) having all the other Made Gangsters in your family agree to your becoming the Don, and c) providing that you did not participate personally in the killing of the previous Don.

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Indicating that it is indeed possible.

Well well well. Not so "Mafia party in the Chatroom!" now are we scumbags?
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Originally Posted by Andres

Why is the mafia listening to TinCow, Crazed Rabbit and Louis ? They are just trying to take out as many scum as possible. They are not interested in anything else.

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Of course we just want to see the mafia bleed, but that doesn't make our statements any less true. EF could not have been killed by the town because it was made by 2 people. The town cannot kill anymore because they only have 3 people left, at least one of whom is not a wiseguy. EF was killed by mafia and the town is no threat beyond 3 puny lynch votes.

If the Barzini want to simply give up, then I guess that's the end of the game. I assumed they'd have more guts than this simple resignation and cowardice indicates. Apparently they can't handle a little bit of pressure. :laugh4:

Capo Rule Addendum: Mafioso never die quietly, unless they're Barzini.

Gah, the town is lost anyway, I'm for a Don Crate.

The Barzini is full of traitors, spies and selfish people, "IN YOUR FACE!!!" is all I have to tell them.

I find Crate's play refreshing, interesting and it obviously worked out. :2thumbsup:

Despite that I advised Kage to strike first because the truce wouldn't hold anyway but he foolishly didn't listen to me...

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Of course we just want to see the mafia bleed, but that doesn't make our statements any less true.

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You sound like me...

The fact still remains that Craterus' family has only killed once in the entire game. Can he truly be considered Capo Di Tutti Capi?

And another thing... Who cares that Kage broke the mafia truce? Weren't we all urging the mafia to do just that? It seems rather hypocritcal for us to now turn against him.

If the town is going to lose then I'm in support of Don Kagemusha and the Barzini's.

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

The fact still remains that Craterus' family has only killed once in the entire game. Can he truly be considered Capo Di Tutti Capi?

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He sat back and watched the other parties kill one another while he and his men were disguised and never showed as guilty. It's similar to what many game heroes do, stay in the dark, be sneaky and intelligent, obviously a clever way to achieve victory, I don't see why that should not be worthy of a Capo de Tutti Capi?

Victory should be achieved by murder, not by lurking.

Victory should be achieved by any means possible. Whatever strategy gets you there is a good one.

*insert fitting Machiavellian quote here*

Worthy? There is no worthy win possible anymore, Husar. The only honourable way for the mafia to win is to accept my proposal to end the game.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

there just is not enough people with sense of honor to allow me have it together with other mafia.

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Now, now, Kage. That is no way to speak of your mafia allies. Tsk. :no:

The petty grovelling of the Cunnios pleases the town. Hence, they win. However, you have some fine players on your team too, so I am quite sure your family can outgrovel the Cunnios yet. Just lower your pants and bend over further than the Cunnios and this 'glorious mafia win' will be all yours. :book:

Victory should be achieved by superior strategy. In this case, I have to tip my hat to the Cunnios. Not killing at all was an excellent move. They were able to hide almost completely within the town by legitimately helping it with protection and vigilante groups. I don't know about the rest of you, but for most of the game I kept waiting for a WoG reveal to show a Don. That's entirely because of the Cunnios. I still think the game's not worth giving up on for either the Barzinis or the town, but I definitely think the Cunnios were the superior players so far.