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you have had 24 hours and have gotten basically nowhere and your lingering suspicion of me is off tangentially the idea that i could plausibly be associated with flipped mafia except you can only give the most weaselly half-assed justifications that you immediately retreat from when i call you on them being badQuote:
Originally Posted by katze
this is incredibly lazy and i refuse to believe you'd play this way as town. you are not trying to solve this game whatsoever or engage me in good faith
you have posted a ton. to claim you have not put in effort this game is a lie. this is to say nothing of the fact that an effortful scum player can take it easy. you are also skilled enough to realize that arguing you should be killed in the game is a way of getting townreadQuote:
why am i town? because my rolecard says so! badum-tss
okay fine. my wolf game is mostly like... effort. a wim machine. i'm not going to say "i'm a villager because it's obvious i don't really care that much this game" but it's probably true. im not going to say "im a villager because dobby had more posts than me" but it's probably also true. at multiple points during this game i asked to be killed because i didn't want to be here. obviously that's wifom, but i don't think i try to argue with the confirmed town sorcerer about how i'm an optimal bomb target as mafia because... they might just take it seriously, lol.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...oe#post5027757
you have used this exact tactic as mafia before so claiming it as a reason it makes you town is a BLATANT LIE.
okay, and this makes you not mafia this game because...? this is just describing yourself, not anything you did this game you would not do as mafia. if you argument is "i didn't get into enough arguments so i am town"....that is extremely unconvincing.Quote:
as hollowkatt said i'm very much so a people pleaser as mafia. although i've honestly grown to be more of one as town too, because i believe strongly in town cohesion and stopping arguments i believe are v/v. (im not saying i cant get into stupid arguments such as this one, because i'm also prone to those. i'd likely be trying harder to)
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i'm also pretty cheeky as wolf and like making those "hehe" jokes i can point back to in postgame and say "lol, lmao" and love subtly openwolfing but that's. probably not something that reading my iso during a game can really get you to very often. especially with how often i make stupid jokes as town too.
shooting a player who is tunneling you is +EV. shooting someone unexpected going into F3 is not. by your own logic, killing the player who was tunneling you was the most beneficial kill, not a WIFOM kill. by that same token, killing dobby was the most beneficial kill for you as mafia, given that i had expressed suspicion of hollowkatt and hollowkatt has been hard townreading youQuote:
oh and i also also make a lot of wifomy kills. i think w!me would very likely kill hollowkatt and say it's a framing job or something. in DV i shot a PoEish player N2 just because they were tunneling me. i also killed illario going into LyLo which was the most blatant kill that led to me by a significant margin
killing hollowkatt would make no sense because i literally never ever make that kill and there was no chance i was voting dobby. terrible argument. worthless argument.
when did you defend wolves who were dead in the water? i remember no instances off the top of my head.Quote:
what i don't do as mafia is shoot myself in the foot constantly. i don't defend wolves who are dead in the water. i don't constantly say how much i dislike the prospect of the current wagon formations if they're literally all villagers... if town is doing my work for me then i'll fucking let them. especially if i can tell from early on in the game that i'm going to be playing for the long haul, and looking at the dead wolves, i think that was evident by N1 at the latest.
as for criticizing the current wagon formations...i think you're a bit like me in that as mafia you want to stay on "the right side of history" and avoid being on MLs if town is eating itself and you're in no danger. the thing about this is...YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. YOU SAID THE WAGONS SUCK BUT STILL VOTED NEWCOMB. IT WAS TOTALLY PERFORMATIVE.
and circling back to "defending woklves who were dead in the water"...you are claiming that my defense of ender on day 2 is a bad look for me but using the same argument in your defense. BY YOUR OWN LOGIC, THIS SHOULD BE A POINT IN FAVOR OF ME BEING TOWN. But it is never something you consider at all, because you are not trying to view the game through an unbiased cognitive lens, you are simply looking for excuses to push on me. your logic is incoherent and inconsistent because you are not actually trying to solve the game.
already addressed: i have seen many times before that mafia have avoided taking the "obvious" route in f3. this is an unconvincing argument.Quote:
how i would likely play this F3 is take the path that's easier for me. after F5, that path is very likely pushing hollowkatt over you because cape died screaming you're always town and that he's probably the wolf. several villagers have died with you as a very strong townread. i could flat out just quote newcomb and say "lol bye HK" and get away with it. you were appealing to me in a way that i could have very easily pocketed you. i'm not quite sure if i kill dobby over you either but that's a hard perspective to actually think about.
the thing is: you're not doing ANYTHING. because the win condition for mafia is SIMPLY TO NOT GET VOTED. AND YOU ARE PLAYING LIKE SOMEONE TRYING TO NOT GET VOTED. if you were town you woulf be concerned with ACTUALLY TRYING TO SOLVE THE GAME but YOU ARE NOTQuote:
but i'm not really appeasing to anyone. i'm not taking the "easy" path. i'm not doing any of that. i'm responding to you because i'm tired of dealing with you right now. i don't really want to be an ass so i'll leave it at that.
so your argument is again somehow that you would make an unexpected kill that benefits you while I...would make a kill that puts me in a situation with 2 people who have been townreading each other??Quote:
the difference is that me and HK have been townreading eachother and you have to push one of us
i don't really think w!you can afford to kill hollowkatt over dobby and i absolutely do not think w!you could afford to kill me over anyone
YOU ARE NOT APPLYING THE SAME STANDARDS OF REASONING TO ME AS YOU ARE TO YOURSELF. THIS DOES NOT COME FROM A TOWN MINDSET.
i swapped over to pushing you because hollowkatt's posts started to giv me pause and make me think he really believed the stuff he was saying. he didnt react to me like how i think a mafia would react. that was very evident from how i responded to him at the time. it didnt have to do with you. i have gotten more aggressive with you because your reasoning continues to be extremely faulty and i believe it is my job to press on that to expose the inconsistincies in your logicQuote:
you've swapped over to pushing me while i've given the impression that i think it's you more confidently than i did earlier
and that's handled. katze cannot string together a single coherent reason as to why she is actually town this game.
@hollowkatt talk to me when you get back
revisiting this: this is a mentality slip. katze'd shrieking frustrated outrage at me bringing up monstr does not come from a town mindset.Quote:
Originally Posted by katze
this same exact thing has happened to me before in a game: a member of the mafia flipped out and started abusing me when i was doing absolutely nothing. and then in late game after that player's slot had finally flipped, i brought it up as a reason that i was town, the remaining mafia member was OUTRAGED that i brought it up even though it was self-evidently clearing. but i didn't DO anything. monstr is the one who was abusive toward ME.
this is because katze is salty that monstr's meltdown self-evidenly spewed me town. the whine of no fairrr is leaking through here.
if katze were actually concerned about solving the game at all, if she were a townie with even a single shred of conscience, she would ask herself "wait, would partners really interact that way?". but instead she reacted this way. because she is scum who needs to be able to push me and is upset that i'm using it as a defense.
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I am bringing this back. You might find it unpleasant. I don't care. It is absolutely necessary to consider this if you actually want to play this game to win.
I want both of you to look at this with a straight face and tell me monstr reacts this way to a partner. he was getting upset and AtE'ing at rask, and I came in, told him to calm down, and he responded by SAYING HE HATES ME AS A PERSON. that is LITERALLY NEVER PARTNERED.
If you are town and conclude this is plausibly w/w, you are an absolute joke.
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sorry, multiquote ate the first two quotes. here's what kicked this off. first quote was in response to rask and then i stepped inQuote:
Originally Posted by Sleep
i have been obvious town all game
i have not been accurate, i have made a lot of mistakes, but i have been trying to solve constantly
the way flipped scum has interacted with me is not how scum interacts with their partners
every single town who died was reading me as town
if this game ends in me getting MLed it is an absolute disgrace
if you dont believe me, believe ladd in his own words
(for full context, the graph shown is for turbos, but he obviously speaks in more general terms about his strategy after that)
(i, on the other hand, definitively do bus and have a significant body of work to demonstrate this. i would have no compunctions about doing so here and would have confidence in my ability to endgame if i did so. instead my reads have mostly been bad. this is a function of me being town)
i feel like even now, at this very instant, i am blindingly obvious town by the way i am playing and i don't understand how the town aming you does not see that
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okay if this is the way you're gonna play it i guess i'll just prove everything i said right
give me a moment
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Originally Posted by Sleep
v!katze depressed at the state of the game feeling demotivated and burnt out?
never heard this one before
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...ress-of-Vienna
i mean hell in this game i wasn't even depressed at the gamestate i was just burnt out and lazy for irl reasons
but i guess if you're going to ask me to link you games you'll only refer to the ones that support your argument, right?
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which one of you was trying to save Ladd and which one was trying to kill newcomb
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there's a massive difference between me performatively saying "lol just yeet me and sheep my reads" and me literally telling sunbae i believe im the optimal vest target?Quote:
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and both of you were on cuth before that.Quote:
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this isn't worth arguing about because it won't change your mind if i'm wrong on you, my point was that i'd probably have killed HK instead of like, raskol or some shitQuote:
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i'm completely content leaving harder clears alive if they're not doing anything to disrupt me, killing holyflare in finale for example (not really a great one because he was also consensus town but i was also trying to undermine his townread status and plausibly could have)
we almost kept hornet alive for F5 in the finale as well despite them being considered an IC
other examples include... mashes. which i'm not going to pretend mean much. and dead homesite games. wee
both of you have circled each other for quite a few vote counts on D1Quote:
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Originally Posted by Sleep
zack gave me shit for calling dolby a villager while everybody else in the world was like "hehe dolby obvious wolf"
also thought monstr was town before the Incident and defended that on D1 as well
and ender wasn't dead in the water on D2? you soft defended him a dozen times while people were going both directions there
one of the two of you was sheeping the other D1 b/c with the exception of the final vote count neither of you voted a wolf.
I have no idea if that's AI for Sleep, I feel like it's semi-ai for katze, gotta do some checking tho
also katze you need a fucking turbo alt holy fuck
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i did do things about it. yeah i didn't go size 7 bluekang-talking-about-alexa mode and hard shielded a player. that's not how i roll. i call shit as i see it.
town katze has absolutely shit reads... in terms of vote history on MU. Looked at the vote history of their last 8-10 MU games and their town vote history is full of green on green, some green on red. katze wolf games are much more accurate, but some of that is voting for cred and/or voting to provide cred (see katze on alexa in champs finals for example of the latter).
This game katze has shit reads and their vote history is full of green on green