Doctor Willenloss and his splendid invention, or... [Concluded]

Dave is the same deal as Ironside. Symmetry doesn't seem to apply to my sons....

Here, I'll lay it out: do not lynch BSmith or the doctors. From there, I'd prefer an Ishmael lynch as Daveshack is conditionally cleared with two others.

Yes I noticed that, I'm still trying to figure it out, but to me looks like they couldn't claim another role (without screwing the said symmetry) and come up with this duo of no power...

Every assistant can use the time machine, but still has a role. Even robbie tried to invent something with armor...
Still I don't know as much as you, how is that "conditionally cleared with two others"?

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Wow, hey, Jarema, why is this a short day?

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Well, because I am only measuring first half of the day, I forgot to mention this. I am writing from a netbook with a very poor internet connection, so please forgive me that I will not correct that. I will be home tomorrow and everything will look better.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

I'm not a fan of voting Diana here. Doesn't fit the kill pattern. There would also be a reason why Chaotix was blocked, there would have been a follow-up. She's remarkably organized and efficient as mafia, and although we're not making good progress here, I also don't see an intelligible pattern from the mafia kills or actions.

Something is not correct with these claims, Monty.

I'm not going to vote against you but I'm asking you to reconsider the evidence.

My preference is on DaveShack or Chaotix, as I said. You're leaving their claims to be verified too late in the game, IMO.

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:blush: Thanks babe, nice of you to say. :kiss:

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You want me to vote for my beloved Diana when I don't even think she's mafia?

What is this, some kind of getting kicked in the gonads test?

Do I get to tell you I told you so when the game is over? Given the low activity and voting, you might actually need my vote just to make sure this thing doesn't go pear-shaped. I just want to know how sure you are on this.

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You know me too well, beloved Pizza. :smitten:

I would never do this. :no::laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

She is the least-useful role remaining - a good cover, as I noted - and so the preferred lynchee as we prepare for tonight's gambit. The gambit really requires Chaotix to cover a loose end.

Low activity is not a problem as long as we keep to the 48-hour days, as everyone votes eventually.

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Yes the bold print is true now that we have mass reveled our roles. I can only scan for roles/names. Now we know all of them so, I'm not of much use anymore. But...

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Alright, yes. If Diana visited Arjos that night - as confirmed by edse - and Arjos was not blocked or killed, then that's good evidence for her being town.

Unvote; Vote: Ishmael

He's the next-least useful.

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Hey yeah, good point, and true, I am town.

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Originally Posted by Arjos

Frankly, like Pizza said, lynching based on the usefulness of the ability seems more like wasting a lynch...
The symmetry in the roles was making a lot of sense, and it still does.
As it is DaveShack is the one sticking out.

Vote: DaveShack

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I agree, along with Ironside's claim. But actually DaveShack hasn't yet come back to answer my previous question, if his role is the same as Ironside's. In fact, he hasn't yet answered any questions even from Monty for many phases now. We still don't know for sure what his ability is.

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Originally Posted by Arjos

Yes I noticed that, I'm still trying to figure it out, but to me looks like they couldn't claim another role (without screwing the said symmetry) and come up with this duo of no power...

Every assistant can use the time machine, but still has a role. Even robbie tried to invent something with armor...
Still I don't know as much as you, how is that "conditionally cleared with two others"?

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Agreed. To me Ironside and DaveShack are the odd abilities out, so to speak. Well along with Pizza's claim (sorry babe). But Pizza's still makes more sense (and he is acting more townie) then Ironside's and (what we assume) Daveshack's ability to be.

Monty- conditionally cleared by who. Please elaborate.

Dave is conditionally cleared, based on factors known to myself. I really shouldn't say more.

Vote Ishmael already.

Unvote; Vote: Ishmael

We still have half a day. DaveShack doesn't appear to be thinking and is willing to just go along with whatever Monty says.

Monty is town but observe what I am doing. It's called critical thinking.

Town doesn't need to be at war with one another but this is still a thinking game. It's why Diana was a bad lynch even if Monty said to lynch her.

Monty, with all due respect-

Vote: DaveShack.

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It's why Diana was a bad lynch even if Monty said to lynch her.

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I characterized it as the least-bad lynch...

Mid-day tally:
Ishmael: Montmorency, Daveshack
Daveshack: Arjos, ATPG





Machine would be ready to use at the half of day 6

I do have to wonder if the low vote count is due to it being the weekend, or if the scums are perfectly satisfied with either lynch.

Alright, Vote: DaveShack

Let's finish this game already.

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I do have to wonder if the low vote count is due to it being the weekend, or if the scums are perfectly satisfied with either lynch.

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Come off it, Pizza.

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Let's finish this game already.

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Not yet.

vote: Daveshack.

I'm sorry Monty, 'conditionally cleared' doesn't quite cut it. Especially seeing as Daveshack still hasn't made a full claim yet, to the best of my knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You want me to vote for my beloved Diana when I don't even think she's mafia?

What is this, some kind of getting kicked in the gonads test?

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Pretty much everyone has been blindly following Monty for the majority of the game now, I'm sure most people here have voted for someone they didn't truly believe was mafia at some point. Now is an intriguing point to rebel since you haven't said exactly why you think she is innocent.

Although, I think your role is quite legitimate, contrary to Diana's belief. It seems to draw parallels with the format of my own. Even though my innocence isn't confirmed, so I'm sure this post will go unnoticed like the majority of mine.. ~:handball:

@Montmorency

Chaotix claims to be blocked but that isn't enough for you? With the 2 roleblock claimers dead, how could you expect more than 1 claim of being blocked? And how would no one claiming such a thing affirm my guilt? You're in way over your head with this suspicious information you seem to be relying on. Makes me wonder if you have some kind of personal glory-goal to fulfill.

Save your breath until your alignment is revealed.

I'm an assistant (the scan of me as Mike is accurate) and town.

We effectively were certain of that several dozen hours ago. It means little in itself.

I lay down the gambit.

N4 Orders:

@Askthepizzaguy: Protect Montmorency.
@Abnoba: Scan AskthePizzaGuy.
@Arjos: Protect BSmith.
@BSmith: Watch AskthePizzaGuy.
@Chaotix: Protect BSmith.
@Ishmael: Scan AskthePizzaGuy.

Let us hope the scum are down to one for tonight.

tally:
Ishmael: Montmorency, Daveshack
Daveshack: Arjos, ATPG, Chaotix, Ishmael

Daveshack was lynched. He was Mike, one of assistants.
Other news: Brickfaced (Jane) was really innocent person.


List of living players
1.
2. Montmorency
3. Arjos
4. BSmith, Eva Znanetzky
5. Chaotix
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7. Ishmael
8.
9.
10.
11. Askthepizzaguy
12. Diana Abnoba
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14.
15. Ironside

Dead players
Xenoneb, Martha Burghes. Policewoman. Allegiance: town
Nightbringer, Ann Pferd. Role-scanner. Allegiance: town
Robbiecon: Immanuel Willenloss (known as Igor). Allegiance: not clear
Edse, Michael Connely. Tracker. Allegiance: town
Brickfaced, Jane. Assistant. Allegiance: town
NinjaCow, William Lane
Daveshack, Mike.

Night 4 begins

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

@Ishmael: Scan AskthePizzaGuy.

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Roger that (you seem awfully suspicious of ATPG there Montmorency :beam:).

I would have used Dave, but with him gone Pizza is the most inclusive target.

It's nothing personal - it's just standard operating procedure. :glasses:

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Save your breath until your alignment is revealed.

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I can copy and paste now it has been? :rolleyes:

If Chaotix is townie, my prediction is that he gets roleblocked tonight. Based on the current setup, known claims, and the pattern to date.

If Arjos is townie, my prediction is that he gets roleblocked tonight. Same reasons.

If I were BSmith, I'd watch either Arjos or Chaotix to catch the scum roleblocker. However, I believe this request will fall on deaf ears.

On the plus side, should I be attacked, my killer will be outed. I just don't think that's what's going to happen tonight.

I also predict that NinjaCow or BSmith will end up dead somehow. Even if BSmith is protected. There's just no way that the scum are impotent at this juncture.



When these predictions come true, I fully expect to be accused of PIS. I really don't care; at this point, guessing the outcome is the most fun.

I just remembered I could be blocked too.

There are times when three doctors just isn't enough.

If one scum is dead, then they are between a rock and a hard place with this. If not, it may easily fail.

Even with two scum, BSmith can not die unless one of the doctors is scum.

Ninjacow is dead: host mistake.

What?

How did I fricking...

I'm sorry. Since you've taken the captain's chair I have not been taking notes and I'm even relying on the player list to know who is alive. That was sloppy of me, even if the host posted the wrong info.

I'm sorry, going to correct it. Ninja is dead.

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If Chaotix is townie, my prediction is that he gets roleblocked tonight. Based on the current setup, known claims, and the pattern to date.

If Arjos is townie, my prediction is that he gets roleblocked tonight. Same reasons.

If I were BSmith, I'd watch either Arjos or Chaotix to catch the scum roleblocker. However, I believe this request will fall on deaf ears.

On the plus side, should I be attacked, my killer will be outed. I just don't think that's what's going to happen tonight.

I also predict that NinjaCow or BSmith will end up dead somehow. Even if BSmith is protected. There's just no way that the scum are impotent at this juncture.



When these predictions come true, I fully expect to be accused of PIS. I really don't care; at this point, guessing the outcome is the most fun.

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I'm not quite sold on this logic. To kill BSmith, the scum would need either two roleblockers + a third member (unlikely), or 1 roleblocker and be one of the doctors. But if the latter were the case and BSmith were killed, then one of the mafiosi would be lynched in at most two rounds, which seems a tad counter-productive for them.

I'm starting to see Monty's plan this round - it would be tricky for a single mafioso to make a kill, so if there is no kill tonight it seems likely that either Daveshack (dead) or Ironside (absent) could be scum. Or the communists could be WIFOMing us. I'll wait and see as to what happens tonight before drawing any conclusions.