But Don, the mafia aren't allowed to target eachother. It's against the rules.
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But Don, the mafia aren't allowed to target eachother. It's against the rules.
Maybe we need to explicitly state what we think we're communicating here.
This is my 'theory'
Kagemusha (and possible 2nd mafia) think about who is the most likely doctor protection. Kagemusha himself, obviously. Knowing that he will be protected, he orders one hit in his PM to Csar. The doctor PMs in, protecting Kagemusha. So, Csar reports that that Kagemusha was protected by the doctor. NOTE that Csar never explicitly stated that Kagemusha was targeted by mafia, only that Kagemusha was protected by the doctor this past round. As it turns out, protected from nothing, because as you rightly point out, he can't target himself or have his cohort do it. But Csar didn't ever say there was an attempt on Kagemusha, only that Kagemusha was protected this past round.
Now, am I missing something? Perhaps you coudl explicitly state where I'm wrong with the above. I'm going to go check Csar's exact words...
Alright, I see now what you meant...Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I have to sleep on it... but my gut is screaming that you are guilty.
it is 3 am here and I bid you all good night
Forget the game, just be sure that I didn't insult you. :no: :bow: :shakehands:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
I've praised your brilliant play before Sig, so don't think that; you'd make Reenk very sad. :disappointed:
Damn, just as I suspected. Csar's statement can be read either way...
Csar, by 'saved' do you mean that Kage was targeted by the mafia and protected, or does your statement only mean (as I've theorized) that Kagemusha was protected and you're not making any actual statement on an attack on Kagemusha?Quote:
P.S.-Just to make this clear Kage was saved by the Doctor.
If I'm reading this wrong, and Kage really was targeted by the mafia:
1) I apologize Kagemusha, 1000%
2) I must really look guilty to everyone else.
3) I will change my vote to an abstain and let the detective do his work.
:bow:
I forget the quote, but Csar is using GH's rules, and GH specifically said the mafia weren't allowed to even target each other.
Okay, but Kagemusha wouldn't have to target himself and thus, he wouldn't break any rules. If my initial read was correct, Kagemusha was protected by the doctor from....NOTHING. It all depends on what Csar's answer to my question about 'saved' was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Don:
I had precisely that idea in M5. I wanted to stage a fake kill attempt on the Reenk and have him "saved" by a non-existent doctor [doing the same with a real kill knowing that you'd convinced the doc to protect you is equivalent]. It would be a perfect way to seem "innocent."
Hankerchief said "no" very politely. Mafia apparently cannot "fake" a murder or failed murder, and cannot target one another unless there are multiple families.
Until the doctor save, I was every bit as skeptical of Hanky as were you.
While you were my prime suspect until I saw the posts above, you should note that I was only thinking you mafia about 60-40. You can make a case against almost anybody -- and now its a race.
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Originally Posted by Don Corleone
The Mafia are clearly doing the acts as shown by the verbs. Kage is innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
No, it's not. We the town have won. The doctor keeps protecting Kagemusha and he keeps investegating. The remaining mafia's odds are WAY worse than ours. They have to find the doctor, then kill Kagemusha, all without knowing who the innocents that have been PM'd are. Hell, we may get really lucky and Kagemusha will figure out who the doctor is and he can tell us if the mafia actually find them. We're in great shape.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Folks, I apologize for being so incredibly obtuse. I should have read Csar's kill descriptions more closely. He wouldn't fake an assasination attempt on Kagemusha if my earlier scenario was correct, he'd just say that the doctor protected Kagemusha (and maybe just make no mention).
In light of all of this:
:bow: Kagemusha, my friend. You really were the detective.
and
Unvote: Don Corleone
Vote: Abstain. Sasaki is right... there's only one mafia left. If you're not mafia and you vote for somebody, you're doing their work for them.
I guess in light of all this, Sasaki's fake investegation on me was meant as humor. :oops: If this doesn't teach me to read every word of the gamemaster's posts, nothing will.
It was meant to show your innocence by the nature of your response, and it hase.
Also, you do go deliciously haywire.
I agree we've got this game pretty much in the bag.
Since Kagemusha has been proven innocent, if the doctor hasn't already done so, they should PM him, identifying themself.
As for going haywire, you gotta look at it from my perspective. For some reason, I'm always on the short list in any game I play, and in this one, I've been suspect #1. Until the attempt on Kagemusha, we had no real reason to believe him, other then 'he said so'. And as I was oblivious to the actual attempt on Kagemusha, your fake investegation pretty much had me heading to the gallows.
Let me make it up to the town and do the perfunctory vote count, as it currently stands. I think Sir Moody has voted for me and Reenk has voted for himself. Guys, if you're still awake, don't do that. If you're not mafia, you're helping them out. If you are, you're painting a big bullseye on yourself, as you'll be hiding in a field of two.
I guess that's what it looked like from your perspective. I mentioned your name in passing because I thought you overreacted to an accusation. You overreacted to that accusation and I began to think you were mafia so pulled the little "fake investigation" trick. But you reached the level of reaction beyond any mafioso so I think you're innocent.
I agree Reenk and Moody should unvote, but they have to do it together otherwise it's no good. Perhaps if they tie, the town can still abstain in the showdown.
I won't unvote until Sir Moody does.
Actually, Sigurd still has a vote in for Reenk, so there's no tie. And of course, Csar has a vote in for you, Sasaki (well, your altar ego anyway) but I don't think his votes count, and you're already dead.
Actually, it's no big deal if they change their votes or not. If there's three votes left, Kagemusha investegates the two living voters. If there's two, he only has to vote for whomever didn't get lynched. If there's one, hell, he doesn't even have to investegate at that point....
current tally:
Sigurd voted for Reenk.
Reenk voted for Reenk.
Sir Moody voted for Don Corleone.
Sigurd's dead ~:)
Doesn't matter. If Sir Moody doesn't change his vote, he's announcing to everyone who he really is and we win. If he does, it just slows things down. Keeping your vote in place just keeps the field of possible mafia limited to two: you and Sir Moody.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Unvote: Reenk Roink*
*Csar better not end voting after this...
I think he's in bed.
Sir Moody you better come back online!
Well, it's 3:20AM his time. I'm sure, even if he is mafia, he'll be changing his vote when he wakes up (and he most likely isn't). Whether he is or he isn't, voting just doesn't make sense for him. Even if I get lynched, big deal. We've won.
Think again my friend. I am the host and if I wanted I could bring The Evil Donut back to life and kill him again. But I'll be nice and leave the Donut alone.:beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
@Don, I think it's your name, it sorta reeks of mafia :laugh4:
Anyway, on matters of life and death.
Disco
Don
Phil
Reenk
Moody
Xiahou
Kage
Sasaki's plan is working. We know that whoever Kage investigated is innocent or he would have ended the game. So, after the next round of kills we will have one of two scenario's either 1) Kage finds the mafioso and they get lynched. Or 2) Kage finds another innocent. Then we have 3/5 proven innocents. Town 1 Mafia 0
Bravo Sasaki Bravo
Ok,
Abstain
I go back to making noise on the trumpet. Hep, the next hour of it will be dedicated to you.
Well, Im sorta skeptical of this abstain strategy- but I'll play ball:
vote: abstain
wow i go to bed at 1am and within 2 hours theres almost 2 pages of talk - see voting spurred more conversation than just abstaining - while don hasnt convinced me hes not mafia he has convinced me hes crazy :laugh4: - i almost expected him to claim kage was the second jfk gunman :inquisitive: talk about conspiracies
Unvote
Vote Abstain
this tactic of mine to spurr on talk has probably backfired tho as kage will waste his investigation on me... and i have a horrble feeling ive painted a target on my backside and the mafia will be willing to take it...
anyway you should be looking at the people who didnt get invovled in the 3way rant between me don and sas - the ones trying to blend into the background by posting little at all
2/5 chance that I'll be killed tonight as the doctor will certainly protect Kage. Hmm I don't like it, but I understand and support the logic behind the decision made.
vote abstain
double post, sorry
triple post, may God forgive me