Graffiti Mafia [Concluded]

Oh, nice dodge. Are you even going to bother answering me now?

EDIT: Waitaminute, Kage is dead! He bought it in the first round! :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Im here reading.Thank you for asking Ichigo. My personal opinion based on the the conversation is to lynch Ichigo now and prepare to lynch GH if plausible.:bow:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

"Well, what's the ability?"

"I can't tell you."

"Why not?"

"Because it would be bad for the town if I told you."

"Then why should we believe you?"

"Because I have an ability to help the town."

:laugh4: At least I told everyone my ability. What's the matter, Ichigo? Can't think of a good role quickly enough?

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Whenever someone is protected and the mafia try to kill them I get a PM telling who was protected and who the mafia member was that tried to kill them.

Forgot about that Kage. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Whenever someone is protected and the mafia try to kill them I get a PM telling who was protected and who the mafia member was that tried to kill them.

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:inquisitive:

Uh-huh.

And tell me, where are the PMs? Apparently, it takes some time to produce them, especially when you have to write them from scratch.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

:inquisitive:

Uh-huh.

And tell me, where are the PMs? Apparently, it takes some time to produce them, especially when you have to write them from scratch.

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lol, you should know GH, now guys as i said before LYNCH GH THIS ROUDN THEN ICHIGO NEXT!

Then we are bound to get a mafia...

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

:inquisitive:

Uh-huh.

And tell me, where are the PMs? Apparently, it takes some time to produce them, especially when you have to write them from scratch.

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Why copy the PM when I could just take a screenshot of it?

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Why copy the PM when I could just take a screenshot of it?

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Nice try. Keep writing.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

No screenshots to prove role, pm quotes allowed.

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Shades of Sasaki v Kagemusha!

Vote: Ichigo

Note, I subscribe to Boo's suggestion of a paired offing as the safe ploy, I'd just do it in the other order.

Ichigo:

Your earlier disjointed defense is now augmented by a choppy reveal, done in bits and pieces. This is often a sign of FABRICATION rather than reluctance.

You made a good point about "why would I try twice were I mafia" but again it was choppy -- silly rounds error -- and given the track record of doctors who do not protect one target throughout, not an absolute defense anyway.

General:

Just how in heavens name do you believably fake such chat logs? If you can demo this for me, then the game is over as Ichigo, Xiahou, and Kommodus become rapid lynch bait -- that log is the central piece of voodoo agin you.

Your reveal is smoothly done -- but that would be true of you in either case -- and I do believe Sasaki would put such a role in play. The weakness is Ichigo being named in the aftermath of the 2nd attack. I have trouble buying it.

My gut leans toward Ichigo being "dirty," but the wagon against you is impressive and you haven't demonstrated the problems with the central evidence against you.


For now, Boo's choice -- one pro-town role for one mafia -- seems safest as it more or less guarantees us only one murder per night among other things.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Nice try. Keep writing.

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hehehe

Like I've said the entire game I have no role.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

"Well, what's the ability?"

"I can't tell you."

"Why not?"

"Because it would be bad for the town if I told you."

"Then why should we believe you?"

"Because I have an ability to help the town."

:laugh4: At least I told everyone my ability. What's the matter, Ichigo? Can't think of a good role quickly enough?

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You know he won't tell, and only a mafioso 'd try and make him. That is, if he has a role of any kind of course.

Oh wait, it seems he did explain the supposed role.

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Whenever someone is protected and the mafia try to kill them I get a PM telling who was protected and who the mafia member was that tried to kill them.

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:balloon2:

Removed.

I have reconsidered and persuaded to chance my mind.I suggest to vote GH.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

You get the mafia of course, Ichigo and Xiahou against me (that screenshot is clearly doctored, did you see the weird area around Quit:Lenin?)

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:laugh4:
Well... it seems you got caught there GH.

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And let me guess. After I die the mafia are going to go to one kill per round so that the guys who voted for me (even those that did nothing but bandwagon) will pat themselves on the back and go "good job, we got ourselves a bad guy lynched."

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nah... they will be forced to do only write one kill since we got you.
And the one kill this round was not because of your made up role.
It will not enter the Hall of Fame...

Let’s say I orchestrated a little trap this night, setting up the mafia to attempt attacking a player. This player was protected by a role which has the ability to protect one player a night.
I see the mafia went straight into this trap by attacking this player.
This puts your reveal in a bad light GH, hence I am certain you’re lying.

And I was there in the chat with Xiahou as you can see in his transcript. I too saw the untimely quit.
It seems you had bad luck GH… I have tried to recreate that quit of yours.. and I was able to only ONCE..
That was when I was logged in via Firefox and had two conversations going with another client of mine.
It seems killing Kage and voting 3rd on a bandwagon is a CURSE.
Also when I asked Disco about the one kill in the chat.. He obviously hadn’t read Sasaki’s post and was quite upset.. Lot’s of swearing and the like.
It seems to me that you are one of Disco’s mafia. If you are then I am inclined to think that he has followed a rather obvious choosing. If the mafia hadn’t killed Don I would have put him on the list of possible mafia along with Kommodus and Seamus.

Kommodus seems too eager to survive. Husar proposed a brilliant move in one of his earlier posts, but was shot down quite abruptly by Kommodus and that sounded desperate in my ears.
Players that are too eager to survive have a role. The only advantage a living townie has over a dead townie is the ability to vote. A townie should have no problem giving his life to the good cause. This good cause is to ensure Mafia failure.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Shades of Sasaki v Kagemusha!

Vote: Ichigo

Note, I subscribe to Boo's suggestion of a paired offing as the safe ploy, I'd just do it in the other order.

Ichigo:

Your earlier disjointed defense is now augmented by a choppy reveal, done in bits and pieces. This is often a sign of FABRICATION rather than reluctance.

You made a good point about "why would I try twice were I mafia" but again it was choppy -- silly rounds error -- and given the track record of doctors who do not protect one target throughout, not an absolute defense anyway.

General:

Just how in heavens name do you believably fake such chat logs? If you can demo this for me, then the game is over as Ichigo, Xiahou, and Kommodus become rapid lynch bait -- that log is the central piece of voodoo agin you.

Your reveal is smoothly done -- but that would be true of you in either case -- and I do believe Sasaki would put such a role in play. The weakness is Ichigo being named in the aftermath of the 2nd attack. I have trouble buying it.

My gut leans toward Ichigo being "dirty," but the wagon against you is impressive and you haven't demonstrated the problems with the central evidence against you.


For now, Boo's choice -- one pro-town role for one mafia -- seems safest as it more or less guarantees us only one murder per night among other things.

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Why do it in the other order? GH's PM is obviously fake.

I'm sorry for not joining up all my defensive posts into one big one my bad.:sweatdrop: As you can see I'm not going to post the PM from Sasaki because that would put at risk the player I know is innocent plus a couple other ones.

GH also tried to tell me why it said PMing at that moment that I said earlier, but I see he hasn't used that as an excuse.

Just to prove that chatlogs can indeed be doctored.

Here is the exact same screenshot as Xiahou took. Aside from one difference. See if you can spot it.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/.../graffiti2.jpg

Lynch Ichigo. Then Xiahou.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Just to prove that chatlogs can indeed be doctored.

Here is the exact same screenshot as Xiahou took. Aside from one difference. See if you can spot it.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

https://i113.photobucket.com/albums/.../graffiti2.jpg

Lynch Ichigo. Then Xiahou.

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So desperate your attempt. It still doesn't help the fact that none of your PM's would match any Sasaki would write.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

So desperate your attempt. It still doesn't help the fact that none of your PM's would match any Sasaki would write.

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Now that's speculation. That doesn't match proof. Proof being that chatlogs can easily be doctored.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Now that's speculation. That doesn't match proof. Proof being that chatlogs can easily be doctored.

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Ah go look back at kills that Sasaki has written as well as any PM's for roles he's given out. He never goes into much detail your PM's don't match his writing style.

You must've put alot of effort into that. Too bad we have witnesses to the chatlog. :yes:

edit: I had wondered if we were making too much of the chat message, but it's quite clear you're mafia now.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Ah go look back at kills that Sasaki has written as well as any PM's for roles he's given out. He never goes into much detail your PM's don't match his writing style.

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I'm sorry, that argument holds no water. Sasaki can and has written before, he just doesn't do it very often.

Examine his Shimazu 1530 campaign AAR:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=67768

And also, Gotta Have More Mafia. He attempted to write stories for that and it looked pretty good in the first round before he abandoned it.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

It had been a long day on the job for discovery1. Driving a bus is a mind numbing job, and towards the end of the of the day he became tired and began to make mistakes. His first mistake was getting to of his routes mixed up. His second mistake was far more serious—he picked up the wrong passenger at the wrong time. It was late at night and the bus was empty. Discovery1 was hailed by a cloaked figure along a stretch of road that had no regular stops. He pulled over anyway. The stranger sat in silence for a while, his brooding manner disturbed disco. He began attempting to make small talk. Halfway through his chatter about the weather the stranger stood up. Disco’s eyes were on the road and he did not notice as the man pulled a hammer out from beneath his cloak. The man said in a low voice: “You are the beginning. Be glad of that honor". Disco turned to look at him…

Divinus Arma was sleeping peacefully. Suddenly he was wakened by a great racket from the downstairs kitchen. He walked quietly down the stairs, opened the door, and gasped…

Silver Rusher had stopped for food at his favorite restaurant. He had enjoyed his meal, but would have enjoyed it more had it not been for the feeling that the owner was watching him. His waitress seemed nervous somehow, something he couldn’t quite put his finger on. He left the restaurant and began his walk back to his home, thoughts of his loved one ever present in his mind. It was strange how the streetlights seemed to blur together into one…

Tiberius was entertaining some of his friends in his large mansion. While they partied on, a man in a trench coat scaled the wall of the garden. Sneaking through the bushes until he reached the edge of a clearing the man assembled his sniper rifle and took aim through the brightly lit window at the back of tiberius’s head…

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Now, compare that to the types of kills that Sigurd sent in as Chinese Godfather:

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

I have contacted my henchman with a list of possible kills. He has as of yet not made a reply...

I will therefore have to make that call without advice.
Target: Ice
Killer: Wonderland
Method: Kung Fu technique that breaks neck. The target never knew what happened.

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Actually, the only kill that really had meat on it was mine, but it was still nothing compared to what Sasaki wrote for the first round.

You're out of arguments, dude.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'm sorry, that argument holds no water. Sasaki can and has written before, he just doesn't do it very often.

Examine his Shimazu 1530 campaign AAR:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=67768

And also, Gotta Have More Mafia. He attempted to write stories for that and it looked pretty good in the first round before he abandoned it.



Now, compare that to the types of kills that Sigurd sent in as Chinese Godfather:



Actually, the only kill that really had meat on it was mine, but it was still nothing compared to what Sasaki wrote for the first round.

You're out of arguments, dude.

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Not really. Just because he did doesn't mean he does it anymore.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

I'm sorry, that argument holds no water. Sasaki can and has written before, he just doesn't do it very often.

Examine his Shimazu 1530 campaign AAR:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=67768

And also, Gotta Have More Mafia. He attempted to write stories for that and it looked pretty good in the first round before he abandoned it.



Now, compare that to the types of kills that Sigurd sent in as Chinese Godfather:



Actually, the only kill that really had meat on it was mine, but it was still nothing compared to what Sasaki wrote for the first round.

You're out of arguments, dude.

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Evidence:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...7&postcount=44

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=108

That's his most recent game besides this one. If he doesn't put that much effort into expanding his kills then why would he do it to a PM to just one person. Highly unlikely.

Just got caught up after a few busy days. Surprised GH was undone in such a bizarre way, but that chat screen shot and his reaction to it is damning.

Vote:GH

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Originally Posted by Proletariat

Just got caught up after a few busy days. Surprised GH was undone in such a bizarre way, but that chat screen shot and his reaction to it is damning.

Vote:GH

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Long time no see Prole.

I bellieve it is obvious who the mafia is now, GH has dug himself into a bigger and bigger hole, before i bellieved we would have to lynch them both but now the evidence against GH is simply endless... We must ask a few simple questions?

Why is GH so determined to incriminate Ichigo?

Why does GH protest to the length that his argument with Ichigo spanned more than one page?

Why diddnt he reveal sooner if he could only be killed at night? - It would have given the townies an unkillable INOCENT person which is a big advantage however the role is obvously fake...

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Originally Posted by Sir Boo

Why is GH so determined to incriminate Ichigo?

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Because Sasaki told me he was mafia.

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Originally Posted by Sir Boo

Why does GH protest to the length that his argument with Ichigo spanned more than one page?

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Because I don't want to be lynched.

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Originally Posted by Sir Boo

Why diddnt he reveal sooner if he could only be killed at night?

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Because I didn't want the mafia to try to get me lynched. Better they just kept trying to kill me.

(on pda)
@GH: hahahahahahaha

You are so full of it.

Alright playes, take this from an confirmed innocent player:
I was there in the chat with Xiahou. I am the spammer in that screenshot called Dragonslayer.
I too called out the obvious in that chat wheb GH got an untimely quit. he obviously had a private conversation going with Lenin who was Disco.
why deny it GH? you could just given an explanation of why you had that conversation.
now you pull the 'I never had that conversation, it must be doctored' card.
Damned if we got one of the mafia this round.

Sigurd

SIGURD! WHAT DOES YOUR WIFE SAY ABOUT YoU POSTING WHILE OUT!?

A lot has been happening and unfortunately no new graffiti, rendering my question somewhat useless. I'm still glad I did it though. It was my first role and it really makes you itchy the first time you have one. I really was afraid of being lynched and then biting my own ass, because I didn't use my ability.

Mhm... I'm gonna go with GH this round. Maybe Ichigo next, although I have some information that makes him an unlikely Mafia.

Vote: General Hankerchief

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

(on pda)
@GH: hahahahahahaha

You are so full of it.

Alright playes, take this from an confirmed innocent player:
I was there in the chat with Xiahou. I am the spammer in that screenshot called Dragonslayer.
I too called out the obvious in that chat wheb GH got an untimely quit. he obviously had a private conversation going with Lenin who was Disco.
why deny it GH? you could just given an explanation of why you had that conversation.
now you pull the 'I never had that conversation, it must be doctored' card.
Damned if we got one of the mafia this round.

Sigurd

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While I am inclined to believe you there are two things that make me wonder:
1. You are quite keen on mentioning your confirmed innocence IMO, makes me wonder whether you had some role to help the mafia and got killed nonetheless(maybe an evil plan to lead the town astray, mafia can't kill mafia but maybe they can kill the corrupt politician or so?)?

2. GH has proven that screenshots can be edited, especially text on a mono-coloured background, if he hadn't done it, I'd have tried it myself.
Besides that, I have never seen such quit messages where the name of someone else is shown, makes me very sceptical.

In the hope to show up in Seamus' statistics again and maybe even in Kommodus' calculation, I am going to

Vote: Abstain

I want something that makes sense to me to base my vote on, almost all the Evidence" I have seen here, no matter by which side, could just as well be created.:wall: