Out of character thread II

I would like to join and become either Hans or fifth elector of swabia (i'm going by the library topic)

btw, when will a new ooc topic be started? and do I have to read all of the current ones to keep up to date or only beginning from a certain post?

Rule questions:
If you are chancellor and your avatar stays in a town for 2 turns, is he count automatically only while he is inside the town or also when going on campaign?
What is this army commander thing about, the first post isn't explaining it very well? Does this army commander need to be part of the stack leading an attack? How many are there per session? Can an avatar become knighted when defeating an enemy stack with less than 7 units in their own stack?
What about captain led armies?
If an edict were to say do not get excommunicated but another edict says that you should eliminate a faction, which one is to take effect as the pope might threaten excomm?
Say you become count. Someone is is chancellor. If you like to have your queue filled but the chancellor doesn't have enough florins to effectively have your town building, which towns have priority?
Are there any rules on spending? I haven't seen any.
Does the chancellor have to take regular screenshots or does tincow do that every 10/20 turns when the save is submitted?
Can the chancellor move any unit (incl generals) around the map on his own liking or does he have to get consent on movement?

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I would like to join and become either Hans or fifth elector of swabia (i'm going by the library topic)

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Welcome. :bow: I am not sure what you mean by Hans, so I'll put you down as 5th Elector of Swabia.

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btw, when will a new ooc topic be started? and do I have to read all of the current ones to keep up to date or only beginning from a certain post?

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I close them when they reach about 20 pages. You don't need to bother with old OOC threads or even posts - they tend to deal with the issues of the day. The long term stuff should be in the game FAQ (Charter), which I re-post at the beginning of each new OOC thread.

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If you are chancellor and your avatar stays in a town for 2 turns, is he count automatically only while he is inside the town or also when going on campaign?

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The 2 turn thing is obsolete: we had a Charter Ammendment getting rid of governors and replacing them with Counts. I have now edited rule 1.4 to reflect that. Counts are created by Dukes.

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What is this army commander thing about, the first post isn't explaining it very well? Does this army commander need to be part of the stack leading an attack? How many are there per session? Can an avatar become knighted when defeating an enemy stack with less than 7 units in their own stack? What about captain led armies?

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Basically, you are only eligible to command an army if you are first a knight. The Chancellor appoints you army commander to signify that you are leading a stack and can fight any battle it gets into; there's no limit to them. I guess we could dispense with army commanders completely - it was more important before a recent Charter Ammendment when it gave influence. Still, I'll keep it for now as it could add character. I guess it could be important in clarifying which of multiple generals should actually fight the battle (but then it would have to coincide with the number of command stars). Ideally, I'd like to have the Chancellor maintain a list of armies and their commanders "1st Army of Lombardy - Commander: Emperor Heinrich".

You can be knighted after a battle at the discretion of the army commander.

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If an edict were to say do not get excommunicated but another edict says that you should eliminate a faction, which one is to take effect as the pope might threaten excomm?

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Where there is a contradiction, the one with most votes takes effect.

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Say you become count. Someone is is chancellor. If you like to have your queue filled but the chancellor doesn't have enough florins to effectively have your town building, which towns have priority?

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Chancellor's call.

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Are there any rules on spending? I haven't seen any.

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Chancellor's job to manage spending.

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Does the chancellor have to take regular screenshots or does tincow do that every 10/20 turns when the save is submitted?

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TinCow maintains the library; the Chancellor may illustrate his periodic reports with screenshots.

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Can the chancellor move any unit (incl generals) around the map on his own liking or does he have to get consent on movement?

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Chancellor's perogative.

Basically, the Chancellor plays the game as if it were a SP game. The main differences are:
(a) he should abide by edicts
(b) he delegates battles if other players are commanding
(c) players (as Counts or Dukes) spell out build queues.

We are thinking of ammending the rules to give Dukes more of a role in defending their settlements, but the details have not been ironed out.

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Originally Posted by econ21

Welcome. :bow: I am not sure what you mean by Hans, so I'll put you down as 5th Elector of Swabia.

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I looked at TinCow's family tree and figured Hans isn't coming of age yet and I wouldn't mind waiting to become Hans if possible :)
Would be my favorite as opposed to 5th elector anyway, but you decide.

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Originally Posted by econ21

You can be knighted after a battle at the discretion of the army commander.

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So if your avatar has a few troops with him, he only fights if he is also army commander of that particular stack? Someone else would play the battle if your avatar is not army commander but the only general in the stack?
If you are "army commander" (i still don't get if this is an universal rank or only for 1 particular stack) and win a battle, why would you not knight yourself?:dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by econ21

Chancellor's perogative.

Basically, the Chancellor plays the game as if it were a SP game. The main differences are:
(a) he should abide by edicts
(b) he delegates battles if other players are commanding
(c) players (as Counts or Dukes) spell out build queues.

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So the chancellor can basically send avatars on suicide missions if he doesn't like them? :inquisitive:


BTW, any chance that each PBM can get its own little subforum? its kinda cluttering with all kinds of PBMs in the same forum...

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I looked at TinCow's family tree and figured Hans isn't coming of age yet and I wouldn't mind waiting to become Hans if possible :)
Would be my favorite as opposed to 5th elector anyway, but you decide.

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Ah, I see. I'll take a look and get back to you.

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So if your avatar has a few troops with him, he only fights if he is also army commander of that particular stack?

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If he is an army commander. Currently it's a universal rank.

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Someone else would play the battle if your avatar is not army commander but the only general in the stack?

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Autoresolved, I guess. But the Chancellor should really use his personnel better to avoid this kind of thing.

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If you are "army commander" (i still don't get if this is an universal rank or only for 1 particular stack) and win a battle, why would you not knight yourself?

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You can't knight yourself as you can't be an army commander without first being a knight.

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So the chancellor can basically send avatars on suicide missions if he doesn't like them?

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One reason we have impeachment. Anyone pulls that kind of stunt, and Prinz Henry would be after their blood.

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BTW, any chance that each PBM can get its own little subforum? its kinda cluttering with all kinds of PBMs in the same forum...

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A lively forum has its own charm. We're using the KotR prefix to make it clear which threads are ours. I guess I should offer prefixes to other PBMs, but it is hard to tell which ones will stay the course.

Ok bear with me once more:

So if I understand it correctly, any new avatar will only lead a battle on his own after having fought a battle as second in command with the (or how many are there) army commander in the same stack and winning and being promoted? Or does being a knight not suffice to lead a battle?

And if there are more than 1 army commander, which commander gets to lead battles by non commanders/knights?

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

So if I understand it correctly, any new avatar will only lead a battle on his own after having fought a battle as second in command with the (or how many are there) army commander in the same stack and winning and being promoted? Or does being a knight not suffice to lead a battle?

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It is rather simple: a new avatar will only download a save and fight out the battle if:
(1) He has participated in a battle, distinguishing himself enough to be knighted by the army commander.
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(2) He has been given the title army commander by the Chancellor.

(2) is rather trivial, so in a way being a knight does suffice to lead in battle.

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And if there are more than 1 army commander, which commander gets to lead battles by non commanders/knights?

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If there are multiple commanders in a stack, the one who fights the battle should be whoever the computer designates as the general in charge. Typically, that's the one with the most command stars, but I have a suspicion that being an Emperor or even Prince tumps that.

Ok, thanks, that clears it up :)

Is there anything I should be participating in in the meantime? Like what house am I in (since you said you'll check on whether I can be Hans or fifth swabia)

Aw geez, the Diet's gone nuclear again!:hide:

Haha, that was all the Kaiser's personality. I've been roleplaying him as someone who wants to redeem himself for the Investiture Crisis from the start, and it just so happens that Mandorf pressed the right button that set him off.

This should be interesting. :evilgrin:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Is there anything I should be participating in in the meantime? Like what house am I in (since you said you'll check on whether I can be Hans or fifth swabia)

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Sorry for the delay getting back to you - busy day. OK, I've checked - Hans is a Swabian, Prinz Henry's own son in fact - I guess I should have known that. :embarassed: xdeathfire is next in line for a Swabian avatar, but in a run through, we got a Swabian adoptee before Hans grew up. So, I am happy to assign you Hans if you want him. But at his age, I am not sure there are many current role-playing opportunities so you might want to roleplay the 5th Elector of Swabia until Hans gets to a suitable age.

I'm back from my holiday. It was great fun!

I'm gonna dig into the threads immediatelly, looks like a lot has happened. I'll try to get up to date as soon as possible. Gonna post more tomorrow!

Cheers!

Ituralde

Just Off topic, just wanted to say. Happy birthday GH!

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Originally Posted by Warluster

Just Off topic, just wanted to say. Happy birthday GH!

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Haha, thanks. :beam: I guess it's already the 4th in Australia.

-edit- Welcome back, Ituralde! Don't worry, the worst thing I did to your proxy was call him a coward. :laugh4:

Yeah it s about 9:30 over here in Aus

Well, congratulations then from me to GH, too, my favourite adversary! :beam:

I've read all threads except the Diet, which I'll tackle tomorrow, I'm just too tired from travelling 14 hours today to do anything else.

Welcome Northnovas! I'm glad you chose the mighty House of Austria, you won't regret it. I will start an Austrian thread some time tomorrow, I'm glad that has come up as PMs really tend to get cluttered. Prepare for an emergency meeting my fellow Electors as the situation in Vienna looks bad. Luckily I've always flaunted Austrian money around and I think it's about time to spend it on a nice mercenary force! :2thumbsup:

I like the changes made to the Houses that give them a little bit more power a thing Leopold has been pushing for IC as long as I can remember. Once I've worked myself through the Diet I'm gonna put my musing above into action and strike back at anyone calling Leopold a coward. :beam:

See you tomorrow!

Happy birthday GH.

I'll be happy to take Hans then, dad :p

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

I'm back from my holiday. It was great fun!

I'm gonna dig into the threads immediatelly, looks like a lot has happened. I'll try to get up to date as soon as possible. Gonna post more tomorrow!

Cheers!

Ituralde

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WOW! That's dedication I am glad you enjoyed yourself. Thanks for the welcome, I think I am in the right house.
I must also send my Best Wishes to the Kaiser!:birthday2:
Drinks for all my friends.~:cheers:

Have a good one Heinrich, GeneralHankerchief !

Beer's on me tonight.

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happy bday to you and i hoist a pint in your general direction ;)

GH and I just posted some stories. The last one is a collaboration between us, but read his prologue first, it provides some context.

Enjoy! :study:

Edit: And happy time zone appropriate b-day GH!

Happy Birthday GH!!

That doesn't excuse you calling me a coward though :beam:

Great, so now Otto's the Kaisers man.

Is the voting for the Chancellor position with the influence rating or is everyone equal in that vote?

If you only knew the power of the Dark Side, AG. :laugh4:

Seriously though, influence is used in both I believe. Same poll actually.

Edit: Putting aside feelings of betrayal, did the story ring true? I felt the marriage of a princess should be a signifigant event, and that there should be a price paid for it.

With OverKnight asking for it, I would like to take the time and thank all of the contributors of the Stories thread for their wonderful writings. I really enjoy reading all of them and think you have all done a great job in putting your characters to life.

To answer specifically I think the marriage of Otto von Kassel and Elsebeth was played out well and sounds genuine in my eyes. A good example how to turn OOC deliberations into stringent IC events.

Here, here! An excellent read, GH and Overknight. :bow:

Thank you. I'm sorry it wasn't the romance you requested. :laugh4:

Very well done guy's.

I must say there are quite a few writers in our midst!!

Coming fresh from the holidays, I thought it was a good idea to read through the Rules of the game once again to refresh my memory of them and immediatelly I have some questions, that I'm sure someone can answer. :beam:

Before I ask, I have to take Ignoramus into protection for not auto-resolving battles where no general is involved. Going through the rules again there is no mention of this. I agree with the idea and find it great however, so maybe it should be added to the rules?!

Secondly I have been wondering about retraining. I remember some discussions about this concerned with the chevron bug/exploit/feature. I found no mention of this in the Rules. What is the official stance on this? I'm particularly asking, because I noticed that the units stationed in Vienna don't seem to be retrained or even merged.

Then I would also like to voice my concerns about the disparities in the family tree. While I agree that there's currently no need to do anything drastic I'm already dreading what happens if Otto von Kassel and Elsebeth don't get any children or the next adoptee goes to Sigismund the Chivalrous.

Also some discussions were made about the Field Marshal post. If I'm not mistaken Sigismund currently holds that post. Maybe this could be noted down somewhere. Also if someone could summarize the results of the discussions about it for me again, it would be much appreciated.
I'm particularly unsure about the amount of battles needed and the army sizes involved.


On a completely different note I have no clue who this Hans is supposed to be that FactionHeir keeps talking about. I have neither found him in the Library nor in the game. :inquisitive:

As you can see I'm completely puzzled and any help is appreciated. :help:

Thanks for the wishes guys. :bow:

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

On a completely different note I have no clue who this Hans is supposed to be that FactionHeir keeps talking about. I have neither found him in the Library nor in the game.

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Hans is Prinz Henry's actual son (not an adoptee) who is still underage.

Well surely that isn't fair as weve been waiting for a General? :croc:

and yes Im back sorry for not being on for 3 days, went to the pub ;)