Latest update on 1.2 patch from Sega/CA

Im very sad...none of the guys there answered me if it involved flying kangaroos!!! sigh...

I would again like to emphasize that advocating piracy is against Org rules. Please do not do it.

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Originally Posted by sapi

A separate sticky?

What a strange idea!

Why, there's been one at the top of this forum for, oh, 10 minutes now ~;)

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:2thumbsup:

I would again like to emphasize that advocating piracy is against Org rules. Please do not do it.

https://i155.photobucket.com/albums/...ate5B35D_1.jpg

wrong type of piracy mad cat mech ~:)

Jesus I always thought you ppl hated buccaneers... now I am enlightened:
http://www.uspto.gov/go/kids/kidantipiracy.htm

Sadly Im from a country (Greece) that piracy runs rampant...
The whole leftist hatred towards capitalism and corporations in general leaves no room for remorse... :embarassed:

@Generals_Bodyguard, TinCow - thanks for pointing that out and fixing it respectively :bow:

@all
Now, lets not get too carried away with the piracy analogies :grin2:

I would like to remind everyone, as TinCow did, that advocating piracy is against the Org rules, not to mention the law, in most countries at least, and will not be tolerated here.

This isn't an issue to most, of course, but it's a good thing to remember in general.

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Originally Posted by sapi

I would like to remind everyone, as TinCow did, that advocating piracy is against the Org rules, not to mention the law, in most countries at least, and will not be tolerated here.

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Yes its against org rules, which is all fair enough, but despite the RIAA/MPAA/etc's best efforts, its not illegal to advocate piracy in most countries. Yet.

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Originally Posted by Gaius Terentius Varro

Weird... If the leaked 1.2 was meant to be distributed from the mirror it got "hijacked" from then why does my game say 1.02? Smells free beta test to me.

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SSSSHHHHH!!!!! we dont want any conspiracy theories dude, the absolute maximum benefit of the doubt must be given to CA at all times, shame on you :laugh4:

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Yes its against org rules, which is all fair enough, but despite the RIAA/MPAA/etc's best efforts, its not illegal to advocate piracy in most countries. Yet.

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Encouraging someone to commit a crime is itself a crime in the United States. That would be applicable to software/media piracy.

Now, let's get back on-topic, shall we?

Well, if it's being tested in the UK now, it can't be too much longer (though I thought that last time, and they pulled it!). I'm hoping for this Friday!

Probably next Wednesday. Just a random guess of course

Given the embarrassment over the last go-round, I have to believe SEGA will be taking their time on this QA testing. I'd guess next week Friday at the earliest.

if piracy is an international crime than what court would you stand before?

the hague?

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Originally Posted by mad cat mech

if piracy is an international crime than what court would you stand before?

the hague?

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Whichever country catches you.

Everything in the world can be improved by the addition of Monkeys, Ninjas and/or Pirates.

(Just ask Sid Meier)

how embarrassing... The initial patch was supposed to be relased mid march... LONG LIVE THE UNOFFICIAL PATCH...

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Encouraging someone to commit a crime is itself a crime in the United States. That would be applicable to software/media piracy.

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I suppose you're referring to conspiracy law? If so, it allows an awful lot of gray area. It requires an agreement to commit the crime between the two parties, and also implies some sort of planning behind the crime. Simply mentioning the possibility that someone could commit a crime and allowing them to act on that as they see fit, for instance, does not fall inside the bounds of conspiracy. There is a world of difference between pointing out the possibility of committing a crime, and actually suggesting that it be done, most especially under the law. The former cannot really be considered "advocating piracy" either, as hypothetical speech does not actually advocate anything, it simply explores possibilities. However, I'm not in much of a mood for treading so near the bounds of forum policy myself: just wanted to point out that forum policy, like the law, leaves plenty of room for discussion, provided it is done carefully. For the moment though, I'll leave it to braver or more motivated souls to cheat that line.

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I suppose you're referring to conspiracy law?

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No, I'm referring to solicitation. (And before any Brits reply, it means something different on this side of the Pond.)

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No, I'm referring to solicitation. (And before any Brits reply, it means something different on this side of the Pond.)

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Piracy isnt a crime in EU...Its a Copyright infrigment which is dealt in civil courts...If a company wants to pursue a pirate they have to sue him...
There is a fine balance between the rights of the companies and the private rights of teh individual...

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No, I'm referring to solicitation. (And before any Brits reply, it means something different on this side of the Pond.)

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Similar enough. This is from the site you linked:

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Elements of the crime. Since solicitation, like the other inchoate crimes of attempt and conspiracy, is a specific-intent crime, every state solicitation statute requires that the solicitor's menial state be either an intent to cause the solicitant to commit or attempt to commit the object crime, or be sufficient to establish the solicitant's complicity in its commission or attempted commission.

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So, my previous points largely apply. Hypothetical speech is still perfectly acceptable, as one must demonstrate a desire for the other person to commit the crime or at least attempt to do so in order to be guilty of solicitation. So if we were so inclined, we could lawfully discuss how to commit piracy, the merits of doing so, the drawbacks or risks of it, or any other facet of piracy, provided we don't actually tell anyone to do it, or try to influence them to do it. It's really a facet of the law you see in practice in many ways, and is a distinction that seems specifically motivated by the idea of free speech. Horrible as it certainly sounds, we could also discuss how to build atomic devices, how to deliver them to cities, how to hold the world at ransom w/ nuclear weapons... and we'd be fine doing so as long as no one expressed intent to actually carry out the plan, nor try to have anyone else carry out the plan on their (our) behalf. Entertaining and discussing criminal ideas is not criminal in and of itself - it always requires a desire or willingness (or of course an actual attempt) to act upon those criminal intentions in order to become criminal.

If you would like to have a legal discussion on these matters, start a thread in the Frontroom, Backroom, or any place where it's actually on-topic. I will be happy to lend my knowledge to whoever is curious, but this isn't the place for it.

While I'm happy to see a spirit of discussion flourishing here, this isn't the place for legal debates.

If you want to discuss the laws on piracy - and by all means you're free to do so - please make your way to the backroom.

Here at the Org, what matters is not the technicalities of the legal system but the simple fact that we are accountable for anything posted on this forum, and that discussions on piracy can quickly spiral out of control and lead to posted links.

We don't want that, so we do all we can to stop it from happening :yes:

Despite the fact that many bugs (some were so obvious its amazing they missed them) got past someone's Q&A(not sure wether to blame CA or Sega so I'll blame both) and that the patch is long long overdue IMHO. I sure hope they go over it with a fine tooth comb and get it right this time. ::pirate2::

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Despite the fact that many bugs (some were so obvious its amazing they missed them) got past someone's Q&A(not sure wether to blame CA or Sega so I'll blame both)

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Your assuming they missed them, when its more than likely they knew about 99% of the bugs.

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Originally Posted by Lusted

Your assuming they missed them, when its more than likely they knew about 99% of the bugs.

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But that makes it worse, its like they didn't give a dam and just thew us a bone to keep us occupied but really we are getting screwed over because we 'all' paid for the game and deserve our value for money. Not some half baked attempt at a game the second time around.

Slow and steady wins the race but not if it stops after sprinting like a fox

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But that makes it worse, its like they didn't give a dam and just thew us a bone to keep us occupied but really we are getting screwed over because we 'all' paid for the game and deserve our value for money. Not some half baked attempt at a game the second time around.

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Well as far as the publisher(SEGAs) concerned all they want is a game in a box for christmas to sell as many copies as possible, and then patch it later.

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Originally Posted by Lusted

Well as far as the publisher(SEGAs) concerned all they want is a game in a box for christmas to sell as many copies as possible, and then patch it later.

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As long as it doesn't CTD, the game doesn't need any patching. MTW2 v1.0 is fine for most people.

Time to update the front post....as I type I am downloading Official Patch 1.2!


I may need to take this afternoon off---I feel something coming on. :laugh4: