Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

Hmm, who has the attitude now.

So it's become a matter, due to great inactivity and a very long overdue Night Action summary, of wether to believe Glenn and JimBob.
It seems that the longer you all ponder anything, the more you despise it.

I suppose this is just a matter of self-deceit and nit-picking, the latter of which I have not found a need for in Capo II.

I admit, the part about my appearance under investigation was written in red.
I crossed the line.
Wipe me out if necessary, at least I won't have to sit around waiting for a decent event to occur so nobody has to throw themselves on wild goose chases.

Until I feel the wrath of god, or Night 2 is summarised and we all have something to properly suspect - I give up on Capo.

Hey Seamus, need any help with the write up?

i think we're concentrating too much on glenn, and that the mafia are taking advantage of the situation.

if glenn does claim to be such a powerful pro-town role, then the mafia will obviously try their hardest to get him lynched.

im not saying he's not suspicious, but i think he's been taken advantage of

i think the most suspicious are the ones that are the most hard pressing/over-reacting on glenn

i just have a gut-feeling that glenn could be what he claims to be, i mean, why can't there be any weird roles?

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Until I feel the wrath of god, or Night 2 is summarised and we all have something to properly suspect - I give up on Capo.

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Don't be so hard on yourself. Remember, there are 15 Mafiosi in this game and they certainly don't want a team of über-detectives chasing their tail. They want your abilities gone from the game. Take it as severe opposition and make your resolve strong.

why does it take so long for the write up :P

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Originally Posted by Sarathos

Hey Seamus, need any help with the write up?

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You'd like to make sure you're role is accentuated, I presume ~;)

:balloon2:

:laugh4:

As I was writing the summary of the morning portion, I noticed I'd *&%^ed up. New version in later post.

Andres murdered??? He was a director this night wasnt he?
Plenty of luck again this night for others..

who protected you GH??? no mention of a ptgroup...

for those wondering who protected glenn, contact me.

Presumably this means Kommodus will fill in as director for this tonight as well.

Vote: Twilightblade

Why the sudden change of heart?

And it happened in the final minute, which is very suspicious in my opinion.

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Sit back in car prease,” said the masked gunman in a bad Asian accent.

GeneralHankerchief saw the cabby running up the block, and knew with a sinking certainty that he’d be sitting back down next to another gunman who’d entered from the street side and that this ride would be his last. He sat back down anyway – not much choice – while the first gunman went around to the driver’s seat.

GeneralHankerchief turned to see who the second gunman was. An empty seat? There was nobody else in the cab! Stunned, but not willing to miss a chance, Generalhankerchief bolted out of his door exactly as the “Asian” gunman climbed into the driver’s seat. He was 40 feet away and doging and weaving toward a crowd of tourists – currently arguing with two Fatlington cops about a parking ticket – when the gunman got a line on him with his weapon. The gunman paused.

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This probably means that this was a vigilante group that was betrayed from within. Somebody must have dropped the ball here. The last thing we need are random townie vigilante groups killing people.



Andres
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Prego Don Barzini.”

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This probably means he was killed at the orders of a mafia don. "Prego" means I pray in Italian, so "I pray to Don Barzini". It looks like the mafia has woken up.

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Tommy guns were coming up and starting to hose lead almost as the vehicle ground to a halt. The range was less than ten feet and there was not a chance they would miss. Police were responding in under 30 seconds, sirens blaring and several cars converging on the scene, but in that half minute more than 300 rounds had been emptied from the drum magazines of the tommy guns. The assailant’s cars sped quickly into side streets and were quickly abandoned as the gunmen clear the scene.

To everyone’s surprise, taka stepped out of the vehicle with only one wound – a gouge along one cheekbone no deeper than a bad shaving cut. He was stunned as were the police. taka had worn no armor and the car had been a stock model, yet 354 rounds had failed to take him out.

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This means someone has a pretty powerful role also. Since there is no sign of a protection group, or anything else, I have got to assume he has a powerful pro town role.

Glenn

Once again, it appears Glenn was protected either by a Doctor or his Luca. This makes him even more suspicious in my mind. Also, Deu
32:5 is a verse from the bible, in Deuteronomy

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They have corrupted themselves, their spot [is] not [the spot] of his children: [they are] a perverse and crooked generation.

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Right Chapter, wrong verse. You want verse 35:

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To me [belongeth] vengeance, and recompence; their foot shall slide in [due] time: for the day of their calamity [is] at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

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-edit-
It almost seems like we have a reverse-WoG thing going on in some cases. Miracle saves, guns malfunctioning, hundreds of slugs not finding "home"...

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Originally Posted by KukriKhan

Right Chapter, wrong verse. You want verse 35:

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Ah, close enough:wall:

Anyways, it is thought provoking. It could be a clue for a possible Cult, or probably a serial killer.

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Glenn would suffer no more than a mild concussion, though he wouldn’t be free of his headaches for some time.

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This could mean that Glenn received punishment for violating the rules. Headaches can be nasty indeed. And this bible verse is somehow fitting in the context of punishment. Perhaps he lost some special powers for some time?

If I´m right, then Glenn would IMHO be proven innocent.

But let´s wait and see if any detective reports will arrive on Glenn and JimBob.


Right now it seems that Twilightblade has something to explain.

Vote: Twilightblade

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

Unless he manages to adequately explain his PM, he should go.

CapoTally as of post 977

twilightblade 2 (Tran, Haudegen)
Tiberius of the Drake 1 (pannonian)

This simplifies things. Let's wait and see what Andres' role was. ~:) :book:

I don't speak Italian/Sicilian, but I've heard "prego" used before as meaning: "You're Welcome".

"Per favore." "Grazie." "Prego."

Please. Thank you. You're welcome.

I just used an italian translator. It probably has multiple meanings and can be used in different contexts.

I vote: Tiberius of the Drake. His pm condemns him and makes him a pretty easy choice.

Tally as of Post 980:

CapoTally as of post 977

twilightblade 2 (Tran, Haudegen)
Tiberius of the Drake 2 (pannonian, scottishranger)

vote: Tiberius of the Drake
until breaking news comes from him or somebody else

CapoTally as of post 981

Tiberius of the Drake 3 (pannonian, scottishranger, charge)
twilightblade 2 (Tran, Haudegen)

edit: we should select new chief btw

hmmm Andres killed. A shame as I thik he was pro-town.

Glenn seems to be attacked by either someone religious, someone pretending to be. Any known players that are deeply christian, or would someone perhaps have some role which has to do with Christianity (if there are crusaders why not something else?)

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Originally Posted by Moros

hmmm Andres killed. A shame as I thik he was pro-town.

Glenn seems to be attacked by either someone religious, someone pretending to be. Any known players that are deeply christian, or would someone perhaps have some role which has to do with Christianity (if there are crusaders why not something else?)

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It could possibly be a cult. I wouldnt doubt it with all the craziness in this game.

Intruding....

Never mind please, just checking.

Yeah. Hmmm I'm sorry that Andres is dead, but I must say, he managed to get himself killed interestingly.

However uit could also be just some kind of silly trademark. (remember the Arrividerci mafia with a love of exotic weapons for example?)

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Originally Posted by TosaInu

Intruding...

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err...? :dizzy2:

Also Tosa, is it me or has your postcount been reduced a lot.

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Originally Posted by Moros

Also Tosa, is it me or has your postcount been reduced a lot.

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I dont know why Tosa did that, to discourage spamming perhaps :D

Well it looks like we''re pretty lucky to have so many failed murders, but it seems that they are mostly failed vigilante groups instead of protections so that raises some troubling questions as to why there are so many people out to enter vigilante groups and killing random people.

I would vote Twilightblade for his last second vote changing, but I will wait until Glenn's investigation comes in (if anyone will come forward??).
Yes, this means I am openly suspicious of Glenn, for all of those wondering.

-Twilight, you never did explain why did you change your vote?

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Originally Posted by Xdeathfire

Well it looks like we''re pretty lucky to have so many failed murders, but it seems that they are mostly failed vigilante groups instead of protections so that raises some troubling questions as to why there are so many people out to enter vigilante groups and killing random people.

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or wiseguys trying to form groups.

Vote: GH

Tiberius of the Drake 3 (pannonian, scottishranger, charge)
twilightblade 2 (Tran, Haudegen)
General Hankerchief (Prole)

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“Sit back in car prease,” said the masked gunman in a bad Asian accent

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sounds like the same guy that killed Drisos(sp?). And that was done with two people. Which would suggest mafia. But is sounds by the write up that they were short one person. Could still be mafia and it's just that one of them forgot to send in their pm.


After that last write up I'm pretty sure that glenn isnt a don. Because if it was a luca protecting him then why would the luca be unknown to Glenn and just leave him there.

Lastly What's up with the last part of that write up. The part about Jimbob and Ajaxfetish. I don't get that at all.

Hmm... I don't think there was a townie group protecting GH was there?

Since i havent heard any kind of explanation from Tiberius of the Drake, i will vote: Tiberius of the Drake. He seems like a clear lynch after the pm Pannonian quoted.:whip:

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

As others have already mentioned, he has the strongest evidence against him so far. Let's go with what we know.

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To everyone’s surprise, taka stepped out of the vehicle with only one wound – a gouge along one cheekbone no deeper than a bad shaving cut. He was stunned as were the police. taka had worn no armor and the car had been a stock model, yet 354 rounds had failed to take him out.

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In my opinion there's something suspicious about Taka, that's almost as bad as before when the 4 gun misfired twice, meaning he could be a don protected by his luca.
fos:Taka

I re-read the PM by Tiberius. Explain, or you have my vote.

Vote:Tiberius of the Drake

Also, Proletariat, can you please explain why you voted for GH?

Capotally: post:997

Tiberius of the Drake 6: (pannonian, scottishranger, charge, TruePraetorian, Kagemusha, TinCow)
twilightblade 2: (Tran, Haudegen)
General Hankerchief: (Prole)

So far the best case seems to be made against Tiberius of Drake.He hasn't bothered to give any form of an adequate defensive for that PM Pannonian posted, which is why he get's my vote.

Vote:Tiberius of the Drake

Tiberius of the Drake 7: (pannonian, scottishranger, charge, TruePraetorian, Kagemusha, TinCow, Dutch_guy)
twilightblade 2: (Tran, Haudegen)
General Hankerchief: (Prole)

:balloon2:

It's a blatant bandwagon, but a worthwhile one I think.

Vote: Tiberius of Drake

This vote is temporary pending any results regarding Glenn or Jimbob.

Seing as Glenn and Jimbob have claimed they will both come out with a specific result, I'd suggest detectives who get that result stay quiet. We only really want detectives revealing if we are certain to get mafia through that reveal.

Last thing about Glenn before I get accused of focusing on him too much (his is a facinating case, you've got to admit)

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Originally Posted by Lt. Pinard

After that last write up I'm pretty sure that glenn isnt a don. Because if it was a luca protecting him then why would the luca be unknown to Glenn and just leave him there.

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Well that depends, and I suppose it's a question for the Host. What happens if more than one group tries to protect someone? Who gets priority? What if Glenn was protected by his Luca, but also sombody else? Would the Luca always get priority?

Dang it. I was hoping to get in before the bandwagon. However, the evidence against Tiberius seems most damning so far, and he has yet to reply to the charges.

vote: Tiberius the Drake

If we get criminal results on Jimbob, perhaps we could try for a three-way lynch? And who is the director today if Andres got hit? Is it Kommodus again?

Glenn and Jimbob's story continues to get more interesting. If they're mafia, they need to go down. The religious references/paraphernalia continues however, and got me thinking. Boondock Saints, anyone?

And for now at least,

select: abstain

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Capotally 999
Tiberius of the Drake 9: (pannonian, scottishranger, charge, TruePraetorian, Kagemusha, TinCow, Dutch_guy, Myrddraal, ajaxfetish)
twilightblade 2: (Tran, Haudegen)
General Hankerchief: (Prole)

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Director Selection 999
Abstain 1: (ajaxfetish)

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Ajax

Vote: GH

Although I do think that the evidence against Tiberius after his PM is overwhelmingly large, I do feel that the best strategy would be to manufacture a tie - hopefully resulting in both of the most suspicious players at current ending up lynched. I do appreciate the fact that GH has responded, but I still don't really think he has done enough to justify saving him.

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

Omanes, name me one thing I haven't done that I've been asked to do.

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Originally Posted by Charge

I dont know why Tosa did that, to discourage spamming perhaps :D

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He was checking out a reported glitch in the 'edit-reporting' function of the forum (for some readers, the "Last edited by: xxxxx at 22:30, 2-9-08" info was missing). Is OK now, apparently.

This is post #1004 in the main thread.


"Choose the players, choose the role
Cast of thousands, cast of few
Imagination decides the plot
Play the good guy, play the bad
Heres the victim, heres the saint
Heres the canvas, heres the paint

Good luck bad luck who knows
Good luck bad luck who knows"
-- Howard Jones



Night Two Summary


GeneralHankerchief had just stepped out of the cab when it happened. Before he could even straighten up fully he was staring into the barrel of a handgun – looking like a cannon to him from his viewpoint – so he stopped.

“Sit back in car prease,” said the masked gunman in a bad Asian accent.

GeneralHankerchief saw the cabby running up the block, and knew with a sinking certainty that he’d be sitting back down next to another gunman who’d entered from the street side and that this ride would be his last. He sat back down anyway – not much choice – while the first gunman went around to the driver’s seat.

GeneralHankerchief turned to see who the second gunman was. An empty seat? There was nobody else in the cab! Stunned, but not willing to miss a chance, Generalhankerchief bolted out of his door exactly as the “Asian” gunman climbed into the driver’s seat. He was 40 feet away and doging and weaving toward a crowd of tourists – currently arguing with two Fatlington cops about a parking ticket – when the gunman got a line on him with his weapon. The gunman paused.

It was too much of a distance for the silenced hand-cannon to stay accurate at a moving target and too many eyes and cops down range. The gunman made the professional choice, got in the cab quietly without any sudden motions, and drove away. GeneralHankerchief faded into the crowd.

Cowhead418 had a quiet dinner and headed back to his apartment. Heading up the stairs to the 3rd floor flat he was slammed into from above by somebody jumping over the landing railing above to hammer him down. He blacked out.

When he awoke, he found he had been carried into his apartment, bound, gagged and tied to a chair. On the table coffee table in front of him was a lit candle….and he could hear and smell the gas that was hissing from the stove in his kitchen. In moments the gas would rise to the level of the candle and…

A key fumbled in his lock and in came his batty landlady!

“That putz! He left the gas running and his pilot light is out. He’ll blow the whole block apart. It’s a lucky thing the movie was so bad, or I wouldn’t have come back for hours…”

Cowhead418 mumbled trying to get her attention. She never heard him. She did, however, stop the gas, turn on his window fan and leave his apartment, all the while never noticing him and muttering comments about his doubtful intelligence.

Cowhead418 took hours to smash the chair and extricate himself. Other than bruises from being dropped on, he was in good shape. He’d never be quite as frustrated with his dingbat landlady again.


Andres wasn’t expecting to be attacked as he stepped out of the restaurant – too many people and too bright an area – but his reactions were lightning fast when the trench-coated attacker began to level a shotgun at him. Andres spun and rolled, putting himself behind a marble bench at the restaurant entrance while Fermanagh’s police leaped forward – just a little late – to save the day. The attackers were professionals – they had escape routes ready – and quickly beat a retreat before the policemen could do more than form a protective cordon around Andres. Nobody had attacked a director before! But the protection around one is a bit hard to break through – even it Fermanagh didn’t do much else promptly or correctly.

taka was taking his usual drive home – a well lit street that was well patrolled and therefore safe – when his car was boxed in and stopped by several vehicles. In Fatlington, safe is a relative term.

Tommy guns were coming up and starting to hose lead almost as the vehicle ground to a halt. The range was less than ten feet and there was not a chance they would miss. Police were responding in under 30 seconds, sirens blaring and several cars converging on the scene, but in that half minute more than 300 rounds had been emptied from the drum magazines of the tommy guns. The assailant’s cars sped quickly into side streets and were quickly abandoned as the gunmen clear the scene.

To everyone’s surprise, taka stepped out of the vehicle with only one wound – a gouge along one cheekbone no deeper than a bad shaving cut. He was stunned as were the police. taka had worn no armor and the car had been a stock model, yet 354 rounds had failed to take him out.

Glenn was sitting at a café – his back to a brick wall – worried about his chances of making it to the next meeting and hoping that his protector would still be there. He heared a commotion at the back of the café and reached for a recently purchased revolver in his pocket.

The assailant burst into the café from the back, flinging two masked individuals aside to crash into the back booths and making stright for Glenn. Glenn fired two rounds quickly straight and true into the center of mass. The opponent slowed, grunted, and continued forward breaking a statue of St. Michael across Glenn’s temple. Glenn dropped back into his seat unconscious.

The assailant started to lift Glenn, only to stop when he heard the twin clicks of a double-barreled shotgun being cocked to fire.

“Leave him be,” said the lone gunman. The masked assailant paused, let go of Glenn, and sobbing ran from the front of the café. The shotgun wielder leaned down to Glenn, checked for a pulse – steady – and then left.

Glenn would suffer no more than a mild concussion, though he wouldn’t be free of his headaches for some time. The police never figured out the purpose of the van abandoned at the back of the café. In the back had been a sharp filleting knife, two large helium tanks, and 4 weather balloons with the legend “deu 32:35” printed on them.

Lord Winter was cagey – walking home to his apartment via the boardwalk so that he could be sure there were plenty of people around. It would not be enough. A section of boards collapsed beneath him dumping him onto the sand below where a masked figure clubbed him into unconsciousness.

He was injected with a lethal dose of heroin shortly thereafter – mostly to keep him unconscious as he faded out. He was tied, gagged and given a heavy set of cement boots – actually a galvanized tub filled with drying cement – and dropped into 20 feet of water at the end of the pier. He was, fortunately, dead from the overdose before he slipped under the water. His remains would never be found – except by the crabs.

Two groups of shadowy figures faced one another on the roofs and alleys surrounding JimBob’s apartment. Figures would catch a glimpse of one another and freeze, poised for action – but nothing happened. The only sound came from the radio blaring in Ajaxfetish’s apartment next door to JimBobs – “My Favorite Husband,” starring Lucille Ball – followed by a lot of music and then silence as everybody in the apartments got a restful night’s sleep. Neither group of shadow figures ever made a move.


Morning Day Three

Fermanagh was visibly confused and shame-faced at his report that morning. He recounted the events of the night before as summed up on the police blotter, but he botched things and had to do it twice – he’d even mentioned Andres as a murder victim! Andres had cleared his throat and Fermanagh had started over, finally getting it out clearly.

“We’re wrapping up our post-mortem review of Drisos and we have the other ones in the pipeline.”

Fermanagh was flustered, and probably happy that he was specifically excluded from the lynch candidates by Tosa’s instructions.

“Thanks SO much chief,” said Andres, “Now let me outline the procedures for this evenings vote and any punishments meted out…”



OOC

1. Voting will conclude at 1500 HRS EST, 11 Feb 08 (2000 GMT).

2. Please remember that in addition to any lynch votes, you must select a Director for days 4 & 5.

3. I’ll try to remember that the director actually receives protection the nights before their lynch vote chairings.

4. Here’s a Full list of players to date:

Still Alive: (76) ajaxfetish, Alexander the Pretty Good, Andres, Beefy187, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, Chimpyang, CountArach, Cowhead418, Craterus, Crazed Rabbit, Draco Leman, Dutch guy, Elite Ferret, Evil_Maniac from Mars, FactionHeir, Fahad I, GeneralHankerchief, gibsonsg91921, Glenn, Hannibalbarc, Haudegen, Hiji, Husar, Ichigo, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, johnhughthom, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KamiKhaan, Killfr3nzy, Kommodus, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, LittleGrizzly, Louis VI the Fat, Lt. Pinard, Makanyane, molonthegreat, Moros, Motep, Myrrdraal, Northnovas, norwegian nerd, Omanes Alexandrapolites, Pannonian, pevergreen, Proletariat, Roadkill, Rob_the_Celt, Rythmic, sapi, Sarathos, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, Sigurd Fafnesbane, taka, The Stranger, Tiberius of the Drake, TinCow, Tran, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Warmaster Horus, woad&fangs, x-dANGEr, Xdeathfire, Xehh II, Xiahou, Zorg.

Attacked: (8) Beefy187 (N1), Glenn (N1, N2), Xdeathfire (N1), Andres (N2), taka (N2), GeneralHankerchief (N2), Cowhead418 (N2)

Murdered: (2) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2)

Lynched: (1) pevergreen (D2)

Removed from Play: (0)

Vote Tiberius of the Drake

Self-proclaimed bandwagon.

andres was dead... and now he is not...? mistake by seamus or sumthing else?

director :smash:

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

andres was dead... and now he is not...? mistake by seamus or sumthing else?

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Yes, Seamus is only human after all.

:balloon2:

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

Unless he shows up to refute that pm that Pannonian posted, he should die.

Also, I think we might have some sort of supernatural doctor role going on here. Both Beefy187 and taka were both attacked and should have been killed, except that they were miraculously saved in some way that defies explanation.

I'm a bit unsure who to vote for, I'm somewhat tired but I remember that several people said GH is most likely guilty. I really don't remember the details so I think I will sleep over it and wait for a few more opinions before putting down my vote.

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

andres was dead... and now he is not...? mistake by seamus or sumthing else?

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Mistake, I believe. In the second write-up:

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He recounted the events of the night before as summed up on the police blotter, but he botched things and had to do it twice – he’d even mentioned Andres as a murder victim! Andres had cleared his throat and Fermanagh had started over, finally getting it out clearly.

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Thoughts on the night:
GH was attacked by the folks who killed Drisos - the fake Asian and the other guy.

But why wasn't the other guy there tonight? Drisos' death was clearly a mob hit. Two gangsters usually don't screw up like a group of townies might.

The fake Asian must have thought that his partner was going to be there, as is evident from the story. So what could have prevented his partner?

Cowhead, taka, and Lord Winter were all headed home when attacked. Glenn is a don and so wouldn't participate in killings.

That leaves Andres, who was coincidentally the director. It seems like the combination of being attacked (by mob hit men it would appear) and being constantly surrounded by police meant he couldn't make it to help kill GH.

Vote: Andres

Suspected Mafia:
Glenn & Jimbob maybe twilitblade?
Andres
Tiberius & GH
The stranger

Might as well share my thoughts and questions on last night's events:

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GeneralHankerchief had just stepped out of the cab when it happened. Before he could even straighten up fully he was staring into the barrel of a handgun – looking like a cannon to him from his viewpoint – so he stopped.

“Sit back in car prease,” said the masked gunman in a bad Asian accent.

GeneralHankerchief saw the cabby running up the block, and knew with a sinking certainty that he’d be sitting back down next to another gunman who’d entered from the street side and that this ride would be his last. He sat back down anyway – not much choice – while the first gunman went around to the driver’s seat.

GeneralHankerchief turned to see who the second gunman was. An empty seat? There was nobody else in the cab! Stunned, but not willing to miss a chance, Generalhankerchief bolted out of his door exactly as the “Asian” gunman climbed into the driver’s seat. He was 40 feet away and doging and weaving toward a crowd of tourists – currently arguing with two Fatlington cops about a parking ticket – when the gunman got a line on him with his weapon. The gunman paused.

It was too much of a distance for the silenced hand-cannon to stay accurate at a moving target and too many eyes and cops down range. The gunman made the professional choice, got in the cab quietly without any sudden motions, and drove away. GeneralHankerchief faded into the crowd.

One attacker. From the same 'Asian accent' people that killed Drisos. The attack on Drisos succeeded with two men. So not renegade wiseguys. This means this attack on GH was carried out by mafia.

Yet it failed. Why? Betrayal? A mess-up with the orders?

GH is scum himself. Is there a nice inter-mafia war going on already?

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Cowhead418 had a quiet dinner and headed back to his apartment. Heading up the stairs to the 3rd floor flat he was slammed into from above by somebody jumping over the landing railing above to hammer him down. He blacked out.

When he awoke, he found he had been carried into his apartment, bound, gagged and tied to a chair. On the table coffee table in front of him was a lit candle….and he could hear and smell the gas that was hissing from the stove in his kitchen. In moments the gas would rise to the level of the candle and…

A key fumbled in his lock and in came his batty landlady!

“That putz! He left the gas running and his pilot light is out. He’ll blow the whole block apart. It’s a lucky thing the movie was so bad, or I wouldn’t have come back for hours…”

Cowhead418 mumbled trying to get her attention. She never heard him. She did, however, stop the gas, turn on his window fan and leave his apartment, all the while never noticing him and muttering comments about his doubtful intelligence.

Cowhead418 took hours to smash the chair and extricate himself. Other than bruises from being dropped on, he was in good shape. He’d never be quite as frustrated with his dingbat landlady again.

Don't really know what to make of this. One attacker. The landlady sounds random, not like a doctor / surgeon / luca.
Some weird attempted hit by a wiseguy / twonie, who failed to persuade his accomplices? A hit by a single mafioso?

I don't understand this at all. Somebody?

Why was Cowhead a target?

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Andres wasn’t expecting to be attacked as he stepped out of the restaurant – too many people and too bright an area – but his reactions were lightning fast when the trench-coated attacker began to level a shotgun at him. Andres spun and rolled, putting himself behind a marble bench at the restaurant entrance while Fermanagh’s police leaped forward – just a little late – to save the day. The attackers were professionals – they had escape routes ready – and quickly beat a retreat before the policemen could do more than form a protective cordon around Andres. Nobody had attacked a director before! But the protection around one is a bit hard to break through – even it Fermanagh didn’t do much else promptly or correctly.

The previous write up mentioned this as a hit by the Barzini family. Well, one thing is for certain - at least one family are a bunch of amateurs. Can't kill a director. ~;p

Andres wasn't protected by town / luca. He was killed in write-up one, the director role saved him in the second write-up. So probably no don then. No other special protective function.

Why was Andres a target for the Barzini's?

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taka was taking his usual drive home – a well lit street that was well patrolled and therefore safe – when his car was boxed in and stopped by several vehicles. In Fatlington, safe is a relative term.

Tommy guns were coming up and starting to hose lead almost as the vehicle ground to a halt. The range was less than ten feet and there was not a chance they would miss. Police were responding in under 30 seconds, sirens blaring and several cars converging on the scene, but in that half minute more than 300 rounds had been emptied from the drum magazines of the tommy guns. The assailant’s cars sped quickly into side streets and were quickly abandoned as the gunmen clear the scene.

To everyone’s surprise, taka stepped out of the vehicle with only one wound – a gouge along one cheekbone no deeper than a bad shaving cut. He was stunned as were the police. taka had worn no armor and the car had been a stock model, yet 354 rounds had failed to take him out.

'Several' shooters. No mark of a mafia attempt. So renegade townies / wiseguys. No protection, just sheer luck. So probably no don then. No other special protective function.

The attackers probably failed to get the correct amount of attackers to send orders. Betrayal? A mess-up?
The narrow escape is very reminiscent of Glenn's escape in night one. 300 rounds fired, all miraculously missed.

Why was Taka a target?

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Glenn was sitting at a café – his back to a brick wall – worried about his chances of making it to the next meeting and hoping that his protector would still be there. He heared a commotion at the back of the café and reached for a recently purchased revolver in his pocket.

The assailant burst into the café from the back, flinging two masked individuals aside to crash into the back booths and making stright for Glenn. Glenn fired two rounds quickly straight and true into the center of mass. The opponent slowed, grunted, and continued forward breaking a statue of St. Michael across Glenn’s temple. Glenn dropped back into his seat unconscious.

The assailant started to lift Glenn, only to stop when he heard the twin clicks of a double-barreled shotgun being cocked to fire.

“Leave him be,” said the lone gunman. The masked assailant paused, let go of Glenn, and sobbing ran from the front of the café. The shotgun wielder leaned down to Glenn, checked for a pulse – steady – and then left.

Glenn would suffer no more than a mild concussion, though he wouldn’t be free of his headaches for some time. The police never figured out the purpose of the van abandoned at the back of the café. In the back had been a sharp filleting knife, two large helium tanks, and 4 weather balloons with the legend “deu 32:35” printed on them.

My, people certainly believe Glenn to be special. Second attempt in two consecutive nights.

'deu 32:35' - is that the mafia mark of yet another family? Or the sign of an 'anti-Glenn' from the dark side? Why was there only a single attacker? Another betrayal / order mess-up?
Or did the three masked men belong together?

Why did Glenn have a gun? Just literary license from Seamus? Or a function of Glenn's role? The gun didn't do any good. Glenn was saved by somebody else.

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Lord Winter was cagey – walking home to his apartment via the boardwalk so that he could be sure there were plenty of people around. It would not be enough. A section of boards collapsed beneath him dumping him onto the sand below where a masked figure clubbed him into unconsciousness.

He was injected with a lethal dose of heroin shortly thereafter – mostly to keep him unconscious as he faded out. He was tied, gagged and given a heavy set of cement boots – actually a galvanized tub filled with drying cement – and dropped into 20 feet of water at the end of the pier. He was, fortunately, dead from the overdose before he slipped under the water. His remains would never be found – except by the crabs.

Huh? A succesful single killer? That would indicate a special role. The return of the serial kiler?

Why was Lord Winter targeted?

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Two groups of shadowy figures faced one another on the roofs and alleys surrounding JimBob’s apartment. Figures would catch a glimpse of one another and freeze, poised for action – but nothing happened. The only sound came from the radio blaring in Ajaxfetish’s apartment next door to JimBobs – “My Favorite Husband,” starring Lucille Ball – followed by a lot of music and then silence as everybody in the apartments got a restful night’s sleep. Neither group of shadow figures ever made a move.

What's all this about? Two groups of shadowy figures? Yet no attempt? Is there a rule that if two groups attack the same person on the same night both fail?
JimBob was picked as a victim. Just like Glenn. The mafia getting nervous about them yet?

What's that stuff about Ajaxfetish all about?

There is something I would like to point out, After reading the write up at least three times. I noticed something. Now correct me if Im wrong but not once is Beefy even mentioned in ther write up. Not even as a passing fancy.No attempt was made on Beefy last night If Pannonian's pm were true there would have been at least a failed attempt mentioned. Has anyone else noticed that the supposed Pm in question could have been fabricated. By posting this "evidence" It seems to me that for some reason Pannonian and Woad&Fangs have something in the works that in the end will see me dead. And the question remains, why in the world would I target Beefy? He is a person who is usaully lynched within the first couple rounds, or is killed by Mafia. in almost game Ive played Beefy is always a high profile character, so if i was trying to keep a lo profile why would I kill him? So nefore you go and Bandwagon me any further I thinl you should examine the people that bought forth this supposed evidence against me.



so
Vote:Pannonian
Fos:W&F

Select: (Director for days 4 & 5) Kagemusha. He seems town-ish to me.

I await any detective investigation(s) reveals before voting a lynch. (Glenn and/or JimBob may be exonerated as Don/Luca, but both seem to have some special role/ability.

Glenn is still suspicious in my eyes (Plus we agreed to lynch him and decide on JimBob later) and we can still utilise the multiple lynch rule.

Vote: Glenn

As for Director, it seems that it did Andres some good. He was a target and why should we waste the protection it gives him?

Select: Andres

@ Tiberius - An interesting point, can we hear a rebuttal from anyone?

this is just my vote for director:

Select: Louis VI the Fat his post about the events of last night makes me think that hhe would make a good director

Vote: Tiberius of the Drake

Same reason as everyone else I guess.

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Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

Mistake, I believe. In the second write-up:



Thoughts on the night:
GH was attacked by the folks who killed Drisos - the fake Asian and the other guy.

But why wasn't the other guy there tonight? Drisos' death was clearly a mob hit. Two gangsters usually don't screw up like a group of townies might.

The fake Asian must have thought that his partner was going to be there, as is evident from the story. So what could have prevented his partner?

Cowhead, taka, and Lord Winter were all headed home when attacked. Glenn is a don and so wouldn't participate in killings.

That leaves Andres, who was coincidentally the director. It seems like the combination of being attacked (by mob hit men it would appear) and being constantly surrounded by police meant he couldn't make it to help kill GH.

Vote: Andres

Suspected Mafia:
Glenn & Jimbob maybe twilitblade?
Andres
Tiberius & GH
The stranger

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Scummy post, CR. Come on, you can do better.

Why would all five hits be connected? There is obviously not a single group with the manpower to do so. Why are they all suspects simply for being attacked last night all of a sudden? What do you mean, 'that leaves Andres'? It all makes no sense.

And you are an experienced player, you know full well that:
- the director is free to go out killing at night.
- you can go out killing yourself even when you are being attacked
- that the hit on Andres wasn't a mob hit, but a mafia hit, by the Barzini's. You read the first write-up, you say so yourself.

Those are three deliberate lies / misinformations. Three strikes is out, I'm afraid.

Eager to lynch Andres, are we? Do you belong to the same Barzini muppets who tried to kill Andres last night? Well you can't kill him today either, he's still director. ~;p

Maybe Andres is mafia. Maybe he is not. I don't know. But CR's post is such a bad attempt at an analysis that I can't believe it is not intentional misinformation. The first part about GH and his 'Asian' attackers is spot on. So is the bit about the different write-ups. CR is clearly paying attention and has a good grasp of the game mechanics. Yet what follows after that is such a mockery of a serious analysis it is simply beggars belief.

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Originally Posted by CountArach

As for Director, it seems that it did Andres some good. He was a target and why should we waste the protection it gives him?

Select: Andres

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hmm, if mafiosi kill each other it's actually good for town, I think. do you know more about andres? I'd prefer him dead, really.

also, can someone quote the pm from tiberiusOTdrake? I haven't got it, as dead guy. (perhaps a clue, too?)

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Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake

There is something I would like to point out, After reading the write up at least three times. I noticed something. Now correct me if Im wrong but not once is Beefy even mentioned in ther write up. Not even as a passing fancy.No attempt was made on Beefy last night If Pannonian's pm were true there would have been at least a failed attempt mentioned. Has anyone else noticed that the supposed Pm in question could have been fabricated. By posting this "evidence" It seems to me that for some reason Pannonian and Woad&Fangs have something in the works that in the end will see me dead. And the question remains, why in the world would I target Beefy? He is a person who is usaully lynched within the first couple rounds, or is killed by Mafia. in almost game Ive played Beefy is always a high profile character, so if i was trying to keep a lo profile why would I kill him? So nefore you go and Bandwagon me any further I thinl you should examine the people that bought forth this supposed evidence against me.

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I must say Tiberius that your post sounds stereotypical "desperate Mafioso trying to save himself". Fairly desperate, and also extreemly rushed.

Although I do consider your reasoning regarding why you wouldn't want to attack Beefy sensible, there is a flaw in your logic - at the time the PM was posted, and if you were targeting Beefy, you still had time to PM Seamus and withdraw your kill on him so you could false claim Pannonion's PM.

This may also explain this lone attack on GH - you withdrew from Beefy and then later decided to chase after GH. Although your accomplice had gained the PM withdrawing the attack on Beefy, he didn't receive his orders to murder GH in time for the night phase's conclusion.

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Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake

There is something I would like to point out, After reading the write up at least three times. I noticed something. Now correct me if Im wrong but not once is Beefy even mentioned in ther write up. Not even as a passing fancy.No attempt was made on Beefy last night If Pannonian's pm were true there would have been at least a failed attempt mentioned. Has anyone else noticed that the supposed Pm in question could have been fabricated. By posting this "evidence" It seems to me that for some reason Pannonian and Woad&Fangs have something in the works that in the end will see me dead. And the question remains, why in the world would I target Beefy? He is a person who is usaully lynched within the first couple rounds, or is killed by Mafia. in almost game Ive played Beefy is always a high profile character, so if i was trying to keep a lo profile why would I kill him? So nefore you go and Bandwagon me any further I thinl you should examine the people that bought forth this supposed evidence against me.

so
Vote:Pannonian
Fos:W&F

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The man arrives!

Firstly, why would there be an attempt on Beefy once the desired help has been refused? If there has been no attempt on him, how would that exonerate you? Secondly, would you like to explain why on earth I would stick my neck out to lie to get you lynched? Have you been such a prominently effective townie in past games that a mafia family would wish to get rid of you at whatever cost, even to the extent of fabricating a fake PM? Or are you a special townie role player that a mafia family wants rid of ASAP?

Remember, I introduced that PM, without any special prompting, so it wasn't produced under pressure. Ichigo asked for my thoughts in general, at which point I quoted said PM.

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Originally Posted by Omanes

Although I do consider your reasoning regarding why you wouldn't want to attack Beefy sensible, there is a flaw in your logic - at the time the PM was posted, and if you were targeting Beefy, you still had time to PM Seamus and withdraw your kill on him so you could false claim Pannonion's PM.

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Actually the deadline had passed, and that is why pannonian posted it I believe.

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Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites

I must say Tiberius that your post sounds stereotypical "desperate Mafioso trying to save himself". Fairly desperate, and also extreemly rushed.

Although I do consider your reasoning regarding why you wouldn't want to attack Beefy sensible, there is a flaw in your logic - at the time the PM was posted, and if you were targeting Beefy, you still had time to PM Seamus and withdraw your kill on him so you could false claim Pannonion's PM.

This may also explain this lone attack on GH - you withdrew from Beefy and then later decided to chase after GH. Although your accomplice had gained the PM withdrawing the attack on Beefy, he didn't receive his orders to murder GH in time for the night phase's conclusion.

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I don't think he had tiime to withdraw his claim by the time the PM was posted - I checked with Ichigo for precisely this, and Ichigo replied that the deadline was 4 hours past, and I thus felt safe enough to post the PM without fear of a reaction. However, if w&f refused to go along with the attack (or just didn't reply), then they might have decided not to go ahead with the Beefy attack.

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Originally Posted by CountArach

Actually the deadline had passed, and that is why pannonian posted it I believe.

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Sorry - I thought the deadline was hit the moment Seamus began posting the write-ups ~:(

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

GH is scum himself. Is there a nice inter-mafia war going on already?

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Uh, again; No, I'm not.

Still waiting for a response, Omanes.

Select: GeneralHankerchief

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Omanes, name me one thing I haven't done that I've been asked to do.

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It's not necessarily a matter of what you haven't done, it's more a matter of what you have, the piled up levels of evidence against you, and the feebleness of many aspects of your defence.

Feebleness?

Please, point these "feeble" defenses out.

-edit- And tell me where these piles of evidence are too, because as far as I can tell, I don't see anything.

Geese A guy gets sick for one day and he accused of being Mafia.

anyways...

in response to Omanes:

as I said,there would be no reason for me to kill Beefy. Also I would Like to say that the only Pm's that I have sent to Seamus were for the investigations that I performed on Night 2 as i missed the deadline for night 1.

@Pannonian-Now that you've forced my hand I guess there is only one way to respond. In my role Pm it said that i was a "special role". My role was that of Agent. A detective like role that allowed me to, once in the game, to investiagte two people in one night and count that dual investgation as one, in .The only issue is that there is achance that with the dual investigation I could be discovered in the process. On night 2 I investigated Woad&Fangs and GH.

the results were:
Woad&Fangs:Criminal

GH:Innocent

unfortunately for me, my identity must have been revealed when I was investigating and as pannonian said W&F forwarded the pm to him, W&F must have run off to his little friend, to tell. And now that I reconsider, this info. it makes W&F look more like the mafia than Pannonian, but Vote remains the same for the time being.And now that this is public knowledge, If im not lynched first, i will most assuredly be killed tonight. :frown:

Reveal PM please. Or is that one all in red too?

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Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake

Geese A guy gets sick for one day and he accused of being Mafia.

anyways...

in response to Omanes:

as I said,there would be no reason for me to kill Beefy. Also I would Like to say that the only Pm's that I have sent to Seamus were for the investigations that I performed on Night 2 as i missed the deadline for night 1.

@Pannonian-Now that you've forced my hand I guess there is only one way to respond. In my role Pm it said that i was a "special role". My role was that of Agent. A detective like role that allowed me to, once in the game, to investiagte two people in one night and count that dual investgation as one, in .The only issue is that there is achance that with the dual investigation I could be discovered in the process. On night 2 I investigated Woad&Fangs and GH.

the results were:
Woad&Fangs:Criminal

GH:Innocent

unfortunately for me, my identity must have been revealed when I was investigating and as pannonian said W&F forwarded the pm to him, W&F must have run off to his little friend, to tell. And now that I reconsider, this info. it makes W&F look more like the mafia than Pannonian, but Vote remains the same for the time being.And now that this is public knowledge, If im not lynched first, i will most assuredly be killed tonight. :frown:

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:inquisitive: , I'm sorry, but I don't buy it. I'm not even quite sure what your "special ability" is. By saying 'once in the game', do you mean you can only investigate once? And what does a dual investigation mean? How does that reveal more than two separate investigations?

And 'discovered in the process'? What does that mean? Do your targets have a chance of finding out your identity? Where is your role PM? How does you being 'discovered' lead to WF posting that PM? There are too many holes in this.

Ha ha ha.. I don't know wether to laugh or cry!

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR SEAMUS
How much can we base speculation on your night action write ups?

Now - Pannonian is certainly a more trusted character in my eyes than Tiberius of the Drake.
And Tiberius has completely ignored a huge bandwagon against him - I would vote for him, because he is on my suspected list.

However - I have been through a bandwagon and I know how easy it is for an innocent to be lynched when people start typing your name and saying, "Same reason as the others".

If you are all innocents, we should play this game fairly - What else have we got on Tiberius?

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Next - I said I would tell of my night actions, and I will.
I investigated CrazedRabbit.
The results were that he was innocent.
Now, either he is a very naive townie, or he is a don, or he has some kind of role which shows up innocent.
We have no way of proving the latter.
The question is - does he behave as a don?

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I want to find out today: Vote: CrazedRabbit

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And Tiberius has completely ignored a huge bandwagon against him - I would vote for him, because he is on my suspected list.

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Would you care to share this list with everyone else, along with the accompanying reasoning?

Ummmm..... why did you vote for someone who came up Innocent... that helps no one unless you have reason to believe he is a Don...

I wish I could vote for you twice, you are so obviously scum.

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Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake

the results were:
Woad&Fangs:Criminal

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Hmm, I have strong reasons to believe that w&f is a townie. I advise all townies to pay close attention to a certain posting, w&f made 2 or 3 days ago.

unvote: twilightblade
vote Tiberius

Capotally 1033
Tiberius of the Drake 14: (pannonian, scottishranger, charge, TruePraetorian, Kagemusha, TinCow, Dutch_guy, Myrddraal, ajaxfetish, Haudegen, GH, shlin, Brave Sir Robin, Xehh II)
twilightblade 1: (Tran)
General Hankerchief 2: (Prole, Omanes)
Andres 1: (CR)
pannonian 1: (Tiberius)
Glenn 1: (Count Arach)

select: The Stranger

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Please, point these "feeble" defenses out.

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Feebleness is a matter of perception, although I find this explaination to be fairly high on that rating. Although it does in a way explain your thoughts in a fairly mediocre fasion, the latter parts of it show off what you were accused of - a posting style which compares very closely with your style as a mafia type role in the past.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

-edit- And tell me where these piles of evidence are too, because as far as I can tell, I don't see anything.

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There was first your aggressiveness and style, although later you simply ignored everything that was flung at you - mainly because it was only me who was still noting it.

As time progressed, others began to focus on you also, which resulted in you fighting back in a similar style once again, as if to try and save yourself now you felt the need to. I'm not sure if it's just me, but I associate a period of ignorance followed by a spurt of rapidly posted come backs as reasonably scummy behaviour. I would expect an innocent to be a little more constant - did you have something to hide that you were afraid of revealing?

There also is the "criminal" result that a detective has said to have got on you. Of course this could make you a wise guy, and I'm not too sure about the result's reliability, but it moves me to think you are slightly closer to the mafia than you are to the town.

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Role

Agent

Victory Condition

You are a special agent sent in by the government. Your mission is to prevent future proliferation of Mafia activities. You are sanctioned to do whatever is necessary to achieve this goal.

Powers & Responsibilities

A. General:

1. You may not “break bad” as your loyalty to the government has decided the path of your life.

2. If your identity is at any time questioned, you are on your own as the government will deny your existence.

3. If you participate in two successful protection groups, you will have the option of becoming a doctor, but you will lose the abilities of your original role. This choice will only be given to you once.



5. red section cannot be revealed

B. Day Actions:

1. You vote/select as does any other player.

C. Night Actions:

1. If desired, you may combine with 3 other townies/ and or wiseguys to kill another player.

2. In addition, you may investigate one person each night. Once during the game you can perform two investigations in one night but there is a chance of your identity becoming known to one of the players being investigated.
3. You may participate in a townie protection group, but you cannot provide any protection value so any protection team where you are not an “extra” WILL fail.

D. Investigations:

1. It is most probable that, if investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “unclear” or “criminal” because of your secretive nature.You will only register as “guilty” on the night of a killing if you have participated in that killing.

2. When investigating a person, you will learn if they are “criminal” (Mades, Lucas, most Wise Guys), “Unclear” (Some Wise Guys, a few Townies) or “Innocent” (Dons, Most Townies, Detectives, Doctors, Surgeons, and the FBI Detective). Additional investigations of the same target have 1 chance in 6 of revealing the player’s starting role (1 in 36 for Dons).

Role changes:
You only may change your role if the circumstances mentioned above allow it.

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this is my role pm do you still doubt me?

Why does it skip 4 and then go to 5?

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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat

Scummy post, CR. Come on, you can do better.

Why would all five hits be connected? There is obviously not a single group with the manpower to do so.

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What? I did not say they were.

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Why are they all suspects simply for being attacked last night all of a sudden? What do you mean, 'that leaves Andres'? It all makes no sense.

And you are an experienced player, you know full well that:
- the director is free to go out killing at night.
- you can go out killing yourself even when you are being attacked
- that the hit on Andres wasn't a mob hit, but a mafia hit, by the Barzini's. You read the first write-up, you say so yourself.

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Some points - No I didn't read the first write-up, but the second said the attackers were professionals, so I knew from that. Also, for me mob hit=mafia hit.

Finally, I was working from the available evidence:

For some reason, the partner supposed to help kill GH didn't show. Now, what information in the write-up can we analyze? Assuming the other killer simply didn't get his PM in. That leads me to believe it's Andres, as I stated before.

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Next - I said I would tell of my night actions, and I will.
I investigated CrazedRabbit.
The results were that he was innocent.

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Wow, some truth out of you for once.

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Now, either he is a very naive townie, or he is a don, or he has some kind of role which shows up innocent.

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Very naive? Once again we see you attacking anyone who questions you!

You, sir, are the don!

PEOPLE - last round we were going to kill Glenn off because he is a Don! Why has attention turned from him? Remember, made gangsters can investigate!

This is just like when Prole came under suspicion in Capo I after she was saved by her Luca on night one. The town failed there by not lynching her then. Let's not make the same mistake in Capo II.

CR

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Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake

this is my role pm do you still doubt me?

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yes, doubt :)

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Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake

this is my role pm do you still doubt me?

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I must say that there is a key error in there:

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3. If you participate in two successful protection groups, you will have the option of becoming a doctor, but you will lose the abilities of your original role. This choice will only be given to you once.

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And then this:

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3. You may participate in a townie protection group, but you cannot provide any protection value so any protection team where you are not an “extra” WILL fail.

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Although it is a vague possibility, I must confess that it does sound a little unlikely that both of the statements could be true.

On the other hand, the speech marks do seem like the ones created in Seamus' "real" PMs (oriented left/right speech marks rather than flat ones). I do doubt that Tiberius will have noticed this, although this could be dismissed as certain aspects of the PM being stolen from his true PM.