Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

Then ask him! If you don't believe me, confirmation is but a question away! :wall:

Cmon Andres, after your ghost has been rattling windowframes across the whole of Fatlington consistently through the game, I can't believe you're going to roll over and die now.

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Originally Posted by Andres

b) EF's family would have known that EF is without a Luca. Now, maybe gibson and scottish were wiseguys who pretended to "join" EF and EF told them he was the last family member left. scottish and gibson saw that their "new family" was weak and backstabbed him, joining the town again.

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I have no idea about scottish, but gibson is a Made and cannot join the town. He was a wiseguy with enough kills to advance to Made when he last killed for the Stracchi. You know this as well as I do. By the luck of the draw, Northnovas got the promotion instead of gibson. That left gibson just 1 kill away from Made status. gibson has already admitted to killing Myrddraal. Since Twilightblade was in on that hit (as shown in the write-up) and was a Made, then gibson would have been promoted. He cannot go back to the town side. If he did in fact kill EF, then he was working for the Cunnio, not the town.

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Originally Posted by Ironside

Notice that the Cunnio's has invited scottishranger and Gibsons into thier family, without hesitation.
Now why would they do that unless they know that they know that scottishranger and Gibsons aren't pro-town? And to to know that, they need to know were the hit came from.

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Because the Cunnios are being played by the town. But by all means dont listen to me, while my suggestion wont hurt any of the mafia. Go and kill eachother and let the town win. It wont comfort me much then to say, i told you so.

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

The italian phrase was meant to be: "Dal Capo di Tutti Capi" This is nothing like the italian destiny callsign. It also was in an envelope, not on a scrap of parchment.

This was a play on the name of the game. The intended effect was that nobody would know who it had come from, but that person intended to become the Capo di Tutti Capi. I didn't realise the mafia couldn't change their callsign.

You will see when the PMs go back up, the PM I sent detailing the kill description. Ask your own mafioso Leet recieved all these PMs, he will confirm it is true

How could I possibly lie about PMs sent to so many people, including mafia traitors?

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Do you take me as an idiot? After the consistent voting against town from Leet,you knew he was pro mafia. I give it to you that you had a nice little plan,but unfortunately it is revealed.

The town cannot win, it is impossible. For the town to win, they need to outnumber all mafioso. There are three townies alive...

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Do you take me as an idiot? After the consistent voting against town from Leet,you knew he was pro mafia.

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Perhaps it is me that is an idiot. I didn't look at the voting patterns. I looked at TrueP's post where he bolded all the mafia names, and sent my PM to all the players who's names weren't bolded.

You can look back through the thread to find it if you like.

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

The town cannot win, it is impossible. For the town to win, they need to outnumber all mafioso. There are three townies alive...



Perhaps it is me that is an idiot. I didn't look at the voting patterns. I looked at TrueP's post where he bolded all the mafia names, and sent my PM to all the players who's names weren't bolded.

You can look back through the thread to find it if you like.

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blaa,blaaa,blaaaaa. Thats weak. Even only one of the two being traitor which i doubt,would be enough for the mafia to loose during next day. Do you really think people cant count at all? If you are so sure about the town loss, im sure you dont mind the mafia gathering all under Cunnio family?

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

If you are so sure about the town loss, im sure you dont mind the mafia gathering all under Cunnio family?

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Of course not. The Cunnios have earned their victory with a superb strategy. As long as they are acknowledged as the single-family victors, then this game will have ended properly.

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Do you take me as an idiot? After the consistent voting against town from Leet,you knew he was pro mafia. I give it to you that you had a nice little plan,but unfortunately it is revealed.

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I've given this statment some thought. Even if I did know that he was mafia (which I honestly didn't) the fact still remains - I sent the PMs to lots of people, including him, offering two choices - protect Shlin, or Kill EF (as suggested by Caius). I suggested protecting Shlin. Caius replied to all these people, saying No! Kill EF, Craterus has agreed that we will all vote for Kage tomorrow and will not kill any townies. (I'm paraphrasing here, you'll soon see when Shlin posts the PMs (I've asked him to)).

EF got killed, after these PMs were sent, by a callsign I had PMd to everyone before he got killed.

These facts are verifiable. I was played, we all were, but I've seen my error. I am giving you the verifiable facts, so that you can see for yourselves. And yet you insist on going on blindly to your deaths :wall: Check the facts, they all add up.

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If you are so sure about the town loss, im sure you dont mind the mafia gathering all under Cunnio family?

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Yes I do mind, perhaps TinCow doesn't, but I do. Craterus took advantage of me and the surviving townies, and used us. I would rather see a combined family of all the surviving mafioso not aligned with Crate win, than see Crate win.

I love the mafia don't believing that we did kill EF thanks to Craterus manipulation.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Of course not. The Cunnios have earned their victory with a superb strategy. As long as they are acknowledged as the single-family victors, then this game will have ended properly.

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They havent earned crap by being played royally by the town, but mafia victory is the goal and no other family can win anymore earned or not. So for once we partially agree.

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

I've given this statment some thought. Even if I did know that he was mafia (which I honestly didn't) the fact still remains - I sent the PMs to lots of people, including him, offering two choices - protect Shlin, or Kill EF (as suggested by Caius). I suggested protecting Shlin. Caius replied to all these people, saying No! Kill EF, Craterus has agreed that we will all vote for Kage tomorrow and will not kill any townies. (I'm paraphrasing here, you'll soon see when Shlin posts the PMs (I've asked him to)).

EF got killed, after these PMs were sent, by a callsign I had PMd to everyone before he got killed.

These facts are verifiable. I was played, we all were, but I've seen my error. I am giving you the verifiable facts, so that you can see for yourselves. And yet you insist on going on blindly to your deaths :wall: Check the facts, they all add up.

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I dont believe you.You are smarter then that. But really this discussion is fruitless. Mafia victory is what counts and the mafia should take it. The only possibility for victorius family is the lowsy backstabbing Cunnios, but even that is better then loose to the town.

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I dont believe you.

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Ask Leet E. Go on, ask him. It's not me you don't believe, it's everyone I sent that PM to, including him. You don't believe the truth when it stares you in eye.

Pff, I give up. I have given you the facts, they are verifiable.

If you with to give in completely, to be nothing but pawns in another's victory, then so be it.

I would say you'll see I was telling the truth in the write up, but it's unnecessary, the facts have already been presented.

I think Craterus CAN'T include CURRENTLY AFFILIATED mades/wiseguys. Therefore, he is lying imo.

PMs to support the Myrddrall's statements:

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Hello Seamus, you should have recieved an order for a kill of Elite Ferret from some townies. I think they may not have included a description (as planned) in their kill request.

If you haven't had the order, ignore this PM (stupid disorganised townies!)

If you have, but there was no kill description, please could you use something along these lines for the write up:

Elite Ferret is walking down the almost deserted streets. A man in a trenchcoat steps into the road. EF crouches and draws his gun.

Trenchcoated man says: "Don't shoot, I bear only a message"

Sniper shoots imobile EF. Trenchoated man drops message saying "Il Capo".

Cheers,
Myrddraal.

CCd to:
Caius; Ironside; Leet Eriksson; norwegian nerd; Proletariat; shlin28; Twilightblade; Husar;

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Is it possible for 4 townies to do a vig kill and make it look like the mafia?

The plan would be to perform the kill in such a way as only two of the townies were highly visible in the kill, and leave a call sign used by one of the families.

Even if we must die, let's at least trigger a mafia war and see who's got the guts to be Capo di Tutti Capi!

Pretty please?

Myrddraal

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Well, let's put it this way....I will usually take any narrative offered and modify it a bit rather than write whole cloth -- saves time. If that narrative named an indistinct number of attackers, I probably wouldn't alter it any....

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And the next one relating to Caius:

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Originally Posted by Caius

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Seamus has said that we can write our own kill description, and he wont edit it too much.

So we have two choices:

1. - Everybody kills a mafioso, we have a write up which doesn't mention how many killers, and leave a callsign from the "Capo di Tutti Capi" in the hope of provoking a mafia war.

OR

2. - Everybody protects Shlin, Shlin protects who he wants.


I suggest option 2. I think we're going to see a mafia war anyway.

So IMO.

Everybody should send the following order:

Caius, Ironside, Leet Eriksson, norwegian nerd, Proletariat and Twilightblade will protect Shlin.

If you dissagree, say so now! Send your replies to:

Caius; Ironside; KukriKhan; Leet Eriksson; norwegian nerd; Proletariat; shlin28; Twilightblade; Husar; Myrddraal

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No, dammit!

If we kill EF, Crate will lead his family to lynch Kage, the Crate family suffers when they are seen as traitors, and we win!

Follow my plan, and I promise Crate family will help our cause!

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Anyone need any more evidence? My doctor pm maybe?

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Ask Leet E. Go on, ask him. It's not me you don't believe, it's everyone I sent that PM to, including him. You don't believe the truth when it stares you in eye.

Pff, I give up. I have given you the facts, they are verifiable.

If you with to give in completely, to be nothing but pawns in another's victory, then so be it.

I would say you'll see I was telling the truth in the write up, but it's unnecessary, the facts have already been presented.

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Well we will see about who was right when the game ends.Hopefully sooner, rather then later.

@Craterus: That PM proves I was loyalty to you, and I'm VERY dissapointed you used us. Now, RIP Caius, shlin, and prole, the last townies.

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Originally Posted by shlin28

PMs to support the Myrddrall's statements:


And the next one relating to Caius:



Anyone need any more evidence? My doctor pm maybe?

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What evidence is this? There are two possibilities here. Either Crate played this masterful game, which town is selling and i doubt, because that would make town look like morans. Or he was played royally by the town, which i happen to believe. Either way mafia war is fruitless at this point.It only benefits the town.

FACTS:

1. I sent an email suggesting all surviving townies protect shiln
2. Caius says no, that he has a promise from Crate that he won't kill any townies, and that we should kill EF and vote Kage tomorrow.
3. I say fine, those few who are online decide that we don't have time to organise anything better, let's go with that, and submit an ambigous kill description to Seamus
4. Somehow, we had enough townies to perform the kill (or Crate sent us unexpected rienforcements, I don't know which).
5. Crate killed Norwegian Nerd. He lied about not killing any townies.

He basically used us. The town cannot win, but it would be a small victory if Crate doesn't win.

Er... how could we have to played the Craterus' family? They could have easily kept the truce, but no, they have to trust us, townies who could mostly nothing on our own.

So therefore, it is Craterus who played us, by using Caius to suggest night actions, aka kill EF.

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Originally Posted by shlin28

Er... how could we have to played the Craterus' family? They could have easily kept the truce, but no, they have to trust us, townies who could mostly nothing on our own.

So therefore, it is Craterus who played us, by using Caius to suggest night actions, aka kill EF.

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I have shown the scenario already, all you did in my opinion last night,was an fake hit against you, which probably created another doctor. This was done so scottishranger and gibsons were freed to kill their own Don, without suspicion from the mafia.

we may be stupid to be fooled in that way, but we made our best, no matter how many we were.

Now, what's next its up to you. You can disarm the craterus mafia + killing him so he cant achieve victory, or you can work with tataglia + cunnio and kill the barzinis. I do not care. We all die, some soon and others not that soon, I'm going to die soon, and I will join all in Heaven.

Nobody apart from me was there, so no protectors :inquisitive:

I survived cos of RED TEXT, attack me again you will be in for a surprise again :yes:

-- The dead may not discuss PM's in the thread in that fashion. -- SF

As for Shlin? I don't know how he survived, but it wasn't a doctor, notice the only other person in the description (a passing waiter) was killed in the explosion.

EDIT: So apparently it's red text.

Cos the town is awsome like that.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

What evidence is this? There are two possibilities here. Either Crate played this masterful game, which town is selling and i doubt, because that would make town look like morans. Or he was played royally by the town, which i happen to believe. Either way mafia war is fruitless at this point.It only benefits the town.

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Whatever the real situation is (I'm as clueless as anyone), it's certainly fascinating watching this Mexican standoff, knowing that directing one's efforts at any one faction will leave you exceptionally vulnerable to the others, having a deadline set for resolving this standoff, and not being able to trust anyone since one faction has already been shafted by believing in the truce. From the normal Capo wait for the autopsies, the main point of interest is now seeing which faction will betray whom, and whether or not their informal agreements hold up. At the moment the Cunnios have the advantage of an unkillable Don, while the Barzini have numbers who can be reliably mustered in their name. For everyone and everything else, it's a matter of negotiation and hoping your "friends" keep the deal.

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Originally Posted by Myrddraal

Not possible. The callsign? I sent a PM with a suggestion to use that callsign for the town in it before the hit.

As for Shlin? I don't know how he survived, but it wasn't a doctor, notice the only other person in the description (a passing waiter) was killed in the explosion.

EDIT: So apparently it's red text.

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In my family´s kill there were 3 people last night.go count how many are shown in the description. That shows just how much you can read from those. But like i said already. While Cunnios are lower then dirt.Mafia victory is what counts, trying to give the town victory in form of anything is against what is said in our role pm´s.

:oops: . Sorry about that Seamus. But the alive townies can confirm that night action.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

blaa,blaaa,blaaaaa. Thats weak. Even only one of the two being traitor which i doubt,would be enough for the mafia to loose during next day. Do you really think people cant count at all? If you are so sure about the town loss, im sure you dont mind the mafia gathering all under Cunnio family?

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Only because I would laugh at your folishness of getting the betrayer of the truce and you to win the game.
Our goal is to take as much of the mafia down with us. Dons preferbly. Craterus gave us an option to take out 2. So why not accepting his offer?

But I would agree with target Scottish and Gibson. If they're pro-town, they're pretty strong reinforcement's. If they aren't then they'll probably hit your family tonight to ensure Craterus' victory.

See, a target if we tell the truth or if we lie. :yes:

I didn't think we'd get such an interesting end, now where's my popcorn? :painting:

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Originally Posted by Ironside

:oops: . Sorry about that Seamus. But the alive townies can confirm that night action.



Only because I would laugh at your folishness of getting the betrayer of the truce and you to win the game.
Our goal is to take as much of the mafia down with us. Dons preferbly. Craterus gave us an option to take out 2. So why not accepting his offer?

But I would agree with target Scottish and Gibson. If they're pro-town, they're pretty strong reinforcement's. If they aren't then they'll probably hit your family tonight to ensure Craterus' victory.

See, a target if we tell the truth or if we lie. :yes:

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Gah! my family cant beat the Cunnios in any scenario, without also giving the victory to the town.