Capo de Tutti Capi - II [Concluded]

Sack: shlin
Select: scottishranger

And GH/Sasaki,

you denied me satisfaction.

Sorry, TC, it's only personal in-game. It's a shame all of my characters always hate yours. Maybe this'll change in the next PBM, haha. That would be boring, tho.

I've now completed my latest summary, if anyone's interested in going back to it. N13-14 Summary

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Originally Posted by Caius

Added the last 2 dons.

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My post-mortem section includes only those whose post-mortems have already come through, so it's necessarily a little behind the current situation. I added a sub-section with those dead but not yet revealed and their supposed roles.

Ajax

Oh darn..so close too...

I guess the last thing I can do out of desperation is ask Sasaki and/or Caius to join us instead of the town...but i doubt i can fix anything..

Im not going to try any reverse pyshcology (Loius :laugh4:) but what i will ask is this to Sasaki: Do you want townies to win without you, or would you like your own personal piece of the win? I know you cant go strait, but joining would include you in the win instead of counting it as a loss...or if not you said "not voting is like voting for CA", then can you just vote for me or something? That way you ARE voting, and not "for CA". Again, no pyschology tricks, just asking.

As for the town, without Sasaki, well played. It was a fun time, and will definatley be the most rememberable (first :2thumbsup:) mafia played :beam:

All of my family, please do the same:


Unvote, Vote: Caius
Sack, Select: CA


There CA, proof im not backstabbing you this time :no:


Lynch Tally:

Craterus: 5(Caius,Shlin,Sasaki,CA,Prole)
CA:2(scott,Gibson)
Caius: 1 (TruePraetorian)

Selections:
CA: 1 (TruePraetorian)
Scottishranger: 2(gibs,scott)
shlin:3(shlin,Prole, CA)

EDIT: and in case no one knew, Craterus is the last don. When Craterus dies, the game is over. This is in response to two players who I already know what they are thinking of doing. But after the last Don is killed, the town wins. That is why I asked for CA and Sasakis help..

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

Oh darn..so close too...

I guess the last thing I can do out of desperation is ask Sasaki and/or Caius to join us instead of the town...but i doubt i can fix anything..

Im not going to try any reverse pyshcology (Loius :laugh4:) but what i will ask is this to Sasaki: Do you want townies to win without you, or would you like your own personal piece of the win? I know you cant go strait, but joining would include you in the win instead of counting it as a loss...or if not you said "not voting is like voting for CA", then can you just vote for me or something? That way you ARE voting, and not "for CA". Again, no pyschology tricks, just asking.

As for the town, without Sasaki, well played. It was a fun time, and will definatley be the most rememberable (first :2thumbsup:) mafia played :beam:

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Given that the Cunnios betrayed both the Tataglias and the Barzini, killing both Dons, why would they want to join you? It would make more sense for the remnants of the Tataglias and Barzini to get their revenge on the Cunnios, wiping them out, before joining whatever family emerges from scottishranger and gibson. Perhaps they could call the new family the Barzaglias or something, and get both their win and their revenge.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Given that the Cunnios betrayed both the Tataglias and the Barzini, killing both Dons, why would they want to join you? It would make more sense for the remnants of the Tataglias and Barzini to get their revenge on the Cunnios, wiping them out, before joining whatever family emerges from scottishranger and gibson. Perhaps they could call the new family the Barzaglias or something, and get both their win and their revenge.

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When the last don is killed the game ends. And WE DIDNT KILL EF!!! CAIUS DID IT!!!

Caius WANTED to be manipulated. He ACTED manipulated. In actuality, he WANTED to kill EF anyway! He wanted the war to start!! So, he went to chat, suggested it to Craterus (saying dont kill me and ill do it), Craterus says he doesnt care, and then blames it on us! WE DIDNT DO IT!

So stop saying that.

But yes, Kage, im afraid we did lynch you..no denying that. When EF died we saw the perfect opportunity to attack.

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Originally Posted by Craterus

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Assuming that you are the last Don, your lynching would end the game....one way or another.

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Xehh, make sure you get a vote in but it looks that we will lose anyway. Sorry guys.

I was under the impression they had to outnumber us (perhaps the Barzini have joined the town? :undecided:)

Anyway, apologies to you all. Even if Xehh does vote, it would require one somone to unvote me. It's 5-3 at the moment.

Congratulations on a game well played.

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This is what i meant. This is why Scott and Gibs, your plan wont work. This is why I asked CA and Sasaki..there isnt going to be another family guys! Today is the last day!


That is why i again humbly ask my entire family to select CA as director, for the sole purpose of trust (:sad:), and that is why I vote Caius. If this wasnt the endgame, then i wouldnt be posting like this :no:

Today is it. Mafia or town. Its up to CA and Sasaki.

I'd rather the town win than traitors anyways.

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Originally Posted by Truepraetorian

and in case no one knew, Craterus is the last don. When Craterus dies, the game is over. This is in response to two players who I already know what they are thinking of doing. But after the last Don is killed, the town wins. That is why I asked for CA and Sasakis help..

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The town also has to be able to outvote the remaing mafia... which it can't. There are at most 3 townies left in the game, and Caius is pretty much scum anyway.

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

When the last don is killed the game ends.

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Why would the game end when the last don is killed? Aren't there enough mafia remaining to elect another don?

AFAIK there are 3 Cunnios around, so the best option may be to lynch Craterus, then kill the remaining Cunnios during the night. After that, there will be time enough to form another family from the remains of the Tataglias and Barzini, bringing about a sort of united family victory that's within the rules. As I said, this will mean both a victory within the rules, and revenge over the Cunnios who betrayed the other two families.

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

This is what i meant. This is why Scott and Gibs, your plan wont work. This is why I asked CA and Sasaki..there isnt going to be another family guys! Today is the last day!


That is why i again humbly ask my entire family to select CA as director, for the sole purpose of trust (:sad:), and that is why I vote Caius. If this wasnt the endgame, then i wouldnt be posting like this :no:

Today is it. Mafia or town. Its up to CA and Sasaki.

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That's an interesting explanation from Seamus. Can you point us to where he said this?

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Why would the game end when the last don is killed? Aren't there enough mafia remaining to elect another don?

AFAIK there are 3 Cunnios around, so the best option may be to lynch Craterus, then kill the remaining Cunnios during the night. After that, there will be time enough to form another family from the remains of the Tataglias and Barzini, bringing about a sort of united family victory that's within the rules. As I said, this will mean both a victory within the rules, and revenge over the Cunnios who betrayed the other two families.

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Read the above post. That was a quote directly from Seamus himself.

The mission of the town was to kill the Dons, NOT kill all the mafia. Just the Dons. So when Craterus dies, then there are no more Dons.

I guess you could say "if they make a new family the next day", but the only problem is that it takes 3 kills for a made to become the Don. So, that is three night phases. Sure, they could kill us ALL off, the only problem being that the game would be over, and it wouldnt count.

To everyone reading this, please read all the aboves before skimming and thena accusing.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

That's an interesting explanation from Seamus. Can you point us to where he said this?

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Exactly what im talking about. Skim and accuse, no point but to skim and accuse...

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

Read the above post. That was a quote directly from Seamus himself.

The mission of the town was to kill the Dons, NOT kill all the mafia. Just the Dons. So when Craterus dies, then there are no more Dons.

I guess you could say "if they make a new family the next day", but the only problem is that it takes 3 kills for a made to become the Don. So, that is three night phases. Sure, they could kill us ALL off, the only problem being that the game would be over, and it wouldnt count.

To everyone reading this, please read all the aboves before skimming and thena accusing.

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Aye, but can you link us to the post where Seamus said this?

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

That's an interesting explanation from Seamus. Can you point us to where he said this?

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Exactly what im talking about. Skim and accuse, no point but to skim and accuse...

IN THE PM ABOVE YOUR POST.

:beam:

NUMBER 4028...

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

EDIT: and in case no one knew, Craterus is the last don. When Craterus dies, the game is over. This is in response to two players who I already know what they are thinking of doing. But after the last Don is killed, the town wins. That is why I asked for CA and Sasakis help..

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According to the townie pm, it's not possible for us to win just if Craterus dies. We would also need to outnumber the remaining mafiosi, and our 3 (maximum) to your 7 wouldn't allow that. If Seamus' pm to Craterus is genuine and that would mean the end of the game, it would not mean town victory. It might mean a stalemate.

Ajax

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Why would the game end when the last don is killed?

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That's basic to Capo. You are correct that -- should another family have enough mades -- another Don could be elected prior to this, but if that new Don has not been chosen by that time then the game ends. I had to draw a closure point somewhere.


Edit: (Yes, this qualifies as bragging).

If you feel like this has been an immense process so far, you are correct. Capo - II, without sign-ups or rules discussion which were handled in the precursor thread, represents just under 8% of the total posts in the Gameroom and slightly less than 1% of the entirety of the Tavern. Frankly, I'm a bit stunned.

Yes, the PM is genuine. Sent to me by Craterus at 20:21 EDT.

If you want proof, look at the time between that post and the post before that. it was nearly immediatly after..I dont think I can type a post that fast.

And for those still who wont believe that, PM Seamus yourself. I have nothing to hide..and when you all recieve the same PM maybe Scott, Gibbs, Sasaki, and CA will reconsider.

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Originally Posted by Seamus

Role

Townie


Victory Condition

You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned WiseGuys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. Your personal survival, though important, is secondary to the overall success of the town

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Note condition B. The town can't win unless the remaing mafia members spend a couple of night phases killing each other and ignore the remaining townies.

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

Exactly what im talking about. Skim and accuse, no point but to skim and accuse...

IN THE PM ABOVE YOUR POST.

:beam:

NUMBER 4028...

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So Seamus said this to Craterus in a PM, which we can't check out for ourselves. In that same quoted PM, Craterus conveniently says (threatens?) that if he's killed, the town would win. Am I the only one to smell a rat here?

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

That's basic to Capo. You are correct that -- should another family have enough mades -- another Don could be elected prior to this, but if that new Don has not been chosen by that time then the game ends. I had to draw a closure point somewhere.

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Well there ya go. This means that the Don needed to have been chosen I think 3 day phases ago, and its obviously not that way. In order to become a Don the mades need to kill. So, therefore, it is town victory if Craterus is lynched.

EDIT:
PANNONIAN READ READ READ READ READ READ BEFORE YOU POST POST POST!!!

That way, i dont have to keep telling you over and over again the same stuff :beam:

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

So Seamus said this to Craterus in a PM, which we can't check out for ourselves. In that same quoted PM, Craterus conveniently says (threatens?) that if he's killed, the town would win. Am I the only one to smell a rat here?

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Why would Craterus and TruePraetorian lie? They've been nothing but honest and true so far. :beam:

And until CA comes back online, no one else has changed their votes.

CA IF YOU STILL WANT TO, I WILL GLADLY!! CHANGE MY VOTE!

but perhaps he may not come back, and a townie might reconsider :laugh4:

unvote, vote:CA
sack, select:Craterus

select:scottishranger

By the way, this is out of pure curiosity, and I suppose it's directed to either gibsonsg or scottishranger, as the others involved are prevented from answering due to the rules.

Who exactly killed me? It must have been two Tataglia goons. The possibilities as I see it are Makanyane (a luca but not above getting her hands bloody, as shown by CR's N3 and N5 guilty results), charge, gibsonsg, or scottish. I don't know when the two of you joined the family, but it could easily have happened by N6, when I was taken out.

Thank you if you see fit to respond.

Ajax

edit: looks like I can't read my own write-ups properly. Makanyane got a guilty result N6 as well, so it looks like she was one of my slayers. So the only question then is who was her accomplice.

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

All of my family, please do the same:


Unvote, Vote: Caius
Sack, Select: CA


There CA, proof im not backstabbing you this time :no:

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Dude. You lost my trust once - you aren't getting it back until after the game.

~:eek: Over 4000 posts? ~:eek:

Yeh, it is called a HUGE game. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by TruePraetorian

Well there ya go. This means that the Don needed to have been chosen I think 3 day phases ago, and its obviously not that way. In order to become a Don the mades need to kill. So, therefore, it is a draw if Craterus is lynched.

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There, fixed it for you.