Care to share who the other townie is?
How do you know its not his mafia buddy backing him up?
How do we know you are not mafia?
Bah, sorry for any abuse that ive said/will say tonight. Big argument in the relationship.
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Care to share who the other townie is?
How do you know its not his mafia buddy backing him up?
How do we know you are not mafia?
Bah, sorry for any abuse that ive said/will say tonight. Big argument in the relationship.
So TC are you a detective? If the innocent townie comes forward he will be safe, the doctors (hydra and crazy dog thingy) will see to that.
aargh I keep trying to reply to this - but when I look at thread its moved on to completely different subject / targets. I'll give up on recent events and say what I was going to anyway.
What I wanted to say was I didn't think the FoS on Joe Monks was a good one.
He was too careless to have been mafia - unless that was a very clever WIFOM - I think from what I remember of his play style in Capo RL problems are more likely than that though.
In answer to Andres no I still don't trust Omanes, his bad vote reason on Hannibal looked much more suspicious than JM and he edited his defence in a guilty looking manner. I just gave up trying to vote on him again - say much more about it because no one listened to me the first time, and I assume most of you lot are better at this than me...... (eg. I was probably wrong if no one else saw what I thought I saw)
I'm interested in knowing what role TC has at least if he does not reveal who the townie is. That way he does not compromise that townie.
Either TinCow is mafia, and this is last a last action to save himself, or he is really pro town and we're doing mafia a favour by lynching him.
If he's pro town, we'll get evidence for that next night phase. We must not let him be no1 or no2 on the 'number of votes' list. If then he is still attacked, he's pro town and we've at least not wasted our lynch at him. Or even better, a doctor might keep him alive.
If he's mafia.. nothing'll happen to him next night, I guess. So we lynch him next day-phase.
Even if the chance is slim that he's pro-town, I say, we don't take chances. Let's lynch another suspicious one..
Unvote: TinCow
Vote: Joe Monks
Since Sigurd is most likely innocent and is usually pretty good with gut feelings, I'll bandwagon on Joe Monks. he's closest to TinCow in the tally, I think.. (though I owned in capo2.. lol :laugh4: )
Now, what's the tally? :dizzy2:
Claiming a role without giving details, followed by claiming that a confirmed innocent townie (your own words!) can vouch for you, yet refusing to name said townie, all of the sudden alluding that said townie is not just a townie...Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I think you're guilty.
They can reveal themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
A good question, but its much the same that I can't be 100% certain of anything. Last game I was hood-winked by the smooth talking of Sasaki, CA and Andres. Maybe this time I'd rather be hoodwinked by TinCow. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Unfortunately you won't know until after the game, and this being a Mafia game I can't prove my innocence. All I can do is do my best to help the town, which admittedly isn't very helpful at times (sorry guys/gals :embarassed:). Unless a detective wants to investigate me, (you can if you want, it'll be a bit of a waste, but do it if you feel its necessary).Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
No worries. It's all a game. ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Those were my thoughts exactly before this page happened. :gah2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
I have no idea! :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
Unvote: Andres Vote: Abstain
I need to contemplate, because I'm so confused now.
Well to be honest he is more than just a townie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
but why would TC privately reveal his pro-town role to an assumed townie. It is much more likely a mafia buddy.
His story doesn't sound right. He's clearly making things up to save his skin. Not very pro-town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
You really think the mafia would attack a very scummy looking detective?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
Indeed. So he has nothing to fear, which makes it even more odd that he doesn't reveal his role and results of his night actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
What exactly is it that makes Joe Monks look more suspicious then TinCow?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
I said "another townie", speaking about him in addition to myself. I often refer to all pro-town players as "townies" simply because I haven't seen a suitable substitute term for the opposite of "mafioso." Look up the definition of "another" if you don't believe me. The townie who knows about me has a role of their own and I simply refuse to expose them to the mafia. Rythmic knows the person who can vouch for me, because that person contacted Rythmic days ago and mentioned my existence but without revealing my identity. He put 2 and 2 together a little while ago, which is why he changed his vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
I see no reason to reveal the identity of this other person or my own role. There is no way that information can help the town at this point. All it can do is save my own skin, and I'm not going to risk further damage to the town just to save myself.
trying to get a grip on the recent stuff...
much as I'd like to call Andres scum (that avatar just lends itself too well to the role) I think he's on the right lines with comments on TinCow
as TC has gone as far as to say he has a role - hence making himself target anyway (if he's town) he should say what it is
also revealling the identity of a confirmed normal townie isn't likely to help mafia - I assume if that mafia know each other (?) then they must know by default that others are either plain townie or special role....
So, you have a pro-town role and you know somebody who has another pro-town role.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
The rules mention only detective and doctor. So one of you has to be a detective. This means you have at least one investigation result on somebody else, that is not you nor the other pro-town role. Maybe that person can vouch for you?
Because the other person contacted me first and dropped a hint about their own role. I asked them about it later and they confirmed that they had a special pro-town role. I then revealed my own role because I wanted some advice on what I should do. We have conferred regularly since then. I have proved my ability to do what I say I can do to that person. They in turn have not outed me nor have I been targeted by the mafia, so the odds are that person is telling the truth about their role and they are not mafia either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elite Ferret
It doesn't mean that at all. As I stated above, it was through simple contacts and touchy-feeling language in PMs, followed by growing trust on both sides. Pure dumb luck, basically.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Unvote: TinCow, Vote: Abstain
I now believe TinCow is more a townie than mafia.
As I already said, he's more than just a townie. And second, IIRC you're right that the Mafia know who each other are and can deduce others are pro-town, (I think, long time since I played this style of game, GH's original to be honest :beam:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
Been doing my best to create a correct tally.. I hope this one is fully correct. :juggle2:
TC: 4 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres, Pever)
Joe M: 2 (Sigurd, Drisos)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
BananaB: 1 (W&F)
Couple of abstains.. but they don't matter anyway..
And Andres, I do suspect TinCow over Joe Monks. Yet, I thought with the logic of events I tried to describe it would be best to let TC alive for one more night..
I wouldn't know. Aren't detectives so dangerous for mafia that they will try to kill 'em whatever the scenario? :embarassed:Quote:
You really think the mafia would attack a very scummy looking detective?
Ok, I'm in doubt now.. stick to my theory of letting TC alive or vote him off.. hmm.. :embarassed: :book: :dizzy2:
Don't count entiredly on my gut... it is not that great :beam:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
However, I might be a little rusty since it has been a while since my last game (pre Capo II). There have been a few misplaced votes in this game, but in the old days we caught mafia this way. :yes: Mafia that have sent in orders and wait the usual required time and then place a vote without checking that the voting period has started.
But what Joe Monks did was in my eyes just plain crazy... The question is, would a mafioso be that cunning to establish a confused, I don't really know what's going on and I did not kill Sasaki last night, alibi?
We all thought initially, what a n00b... but it would be a good feint for a player like Joe Monks. It would never have worked if it had been Sasaki that made it.
So what have you proved to them and how? I don't recall anything in the write up save for the ressurection of Sigurd, but that wasn't days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Seems like quite a lot of dumb luck to be believable - when I thought it was just you having role and knowing normal townie I believed it more. Two special roles finding and believing each other by chance is pushing credibility a bit. Have you or he been dropping hints in thread or anything? (I'd go look but have to go back to work now....)Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
pever unvoted TinCow and voted abstain.
Correct tally (I hope, I'm not messing with the tally on purpose in this game):
TC: 3 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres)
Joe M: 2 (Sigurd, Drisos)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
BananaB: 1 (W&F)
Who's Jesus, is he playing? :tongue2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
I know that claiming dumb luck isn't exactly the best grounds for a defense, but as far as I can tell, it's the truth. If I lie about it, that lie will come back to bite me. If the other person had a reason to contact me in the first place and drop the initial hint that they did, I don't know about it. All I know is that they contacted me, dropped a hint, I picked up on the hint, and we've gone from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
Also, I am not going to reveal how I proved it to the other person, because that would reveal at least part of my role. Despite all the outcry about it, I do not see a reason to do so. If you're going to lynch me for refusing to disclose the details of my role, then just lynch me and get it over with. I'm not going to do it no matter how many times you ask.
unvote: Abstain
vote:Joe M
I believe TC to be innocent
edit: tally:
TC: 3 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres)
Joe M: 3 (Sigurd, Drisos, EF)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
BananaB: 1 (W&F)
I guess I'm going to go by the word of Sigurd, if he's wrong then well, he's wrong.
Unvote: Abstain Vote: Joe Monks
Edit: I really should refresh the thread more often.
I think we can let TC live for now.
vote: Bananabob
Has been acting rather oddly and we need someone other than TC in spot 2.
Why not include me in this townie behind scene group before I am killed again by the insane glowing being with a
sword?
That goes to my necromancer as well...
I believe there is sufficient evidence for my innocent status.
- The tormenting of damned souls.
- The attack by an angelic being.
- My defence wielding a pitchfork.
- The dark ritual that led to my resurrection.
:stupido:
So, TinCow is innocent because:
- he claims some pro-town role and refuses to reveal said role or the results of his night actions;
- he claims that a townie can vouch for him, when people ask for the identity of this townie or said townie to come forward and confirm TC's story, the townie all of the sudden transforms into a pro-town role whose identity has to remain secret;
- TC discovered this other pro-town role by dumb luck!
- neither TC nor this other pro-town role have investigated an innocent simple townie who they can contact and who on his turn will be able to confirm TC's innocence.
:stupido2: ~:confused: :wall: ~:confused: :bigcry:
Unvot...Nope, I stick to my vote.
Unvote: BananaBob; Vote: Tincow
At least give us the name of your role.
TC: 4 (Joe M, Kommodus, Andres, Woad)
Joe M: 4 (Sigurd, Drisos, EF, Rythmic)
Kommo: 1 (GH)
BananaB: 1 (factionheir)
Odd - did you specify a reason that I've missed Rythmic? I do understand that you've withdrawn your vote, why you've done this could be scrutinised, but I don't understand why you voted for him in the first place. Andres is acting in his normal inquisitorial style - I haven't noticed anything too different about his behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
Until a response is provided:
Vote: Rythmic
I still don't like Hannibalbarca and do consider him my second lynch choice. He hasn't actually said anything relating to my suspicions against him. He also seems to have entered a phase of lurking for some reason.
GH, well, I'm willing to withdraw what I said relating to him earlier on. He seems to be acting innocent enough, for him, at the moment.I usually edit almost everything I post. Sometimes it needs fine tuning, other times I add information and remove incorrect items. In that case, I think, although don't completely remember, fine tuning spelling/grammer and adding a bit more onto what I had to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
I originally voted him because he was voting someone I believe to be pro-town. Plus he's a smooth talker, able to work an angle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes