[Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [Concluded]

Romanic, darling, I haven't voted for you because I haven't found you to be suspicious enough.

If you can get a player to talk, you can have them revealing all sorts of clues about themselves. You're a competent mafia player if you are a villain, but at this time I don't think you are, and I think Motep is even less suspicious. But both of you have very flawed reasoning. If TinCow is a detective, the surest way to kill him besides lynching him is to put him as much in the public eye as possible - which is what you're trying to do. Don't please.

Sasaki, why did you vote for Seon? That was surely the least satisfying post you have made today.

Double A, rest assured that I never trusted you - I said that you were not worthy of being lynched and that was because you seemed least suspicious to me at the time. Trust was never mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Romanic, darling, I haven't voted for you because I haven't found you to be suspicious enough.

If you can get a player to talk, you can have them revealing all sorts of clues about themselves. You're a competent mafia player if you are a villain, but at this time I don't think you are, and I think Motep is even less suspicious. But both of you have very flawed reasoning. If TinCow is a detective, the surest way to kill him besides lynching him is to put him as much in the public eye as possible - which is what you're trying to do. Don't please.

Sasaki, why did you vote for Seon? That was surely the least satisfying post you have made today.

Double A, rest assured that I never trusted you - I said that you were not worthy of being lynched and that was because you seemed least suspicious to me at the time. Trust was never mentioned.

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Who ever thought tincow was a detective? Besides, I think it would pretty hard at this point to remove him from people's minds.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

[Sasaki, why did you vote for Seon? That was surely the least satisfying post you have made today.

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Why was it unsatisfying?

It's the second day, so you might as well lynch a raccoon.

No use in making it worse, Motep.

Here's a hint, look at TinCow's post - you may find a hidden confession (false or not) as to what his role is.

Seon, it was unsatisfying because I don't see the reason for it besides your annoying pictures. (Remember ATPG in the first CoV game? Jesus that was annoying, and he was the mayor of the town so to speak!)

forgetting is bad....

edit: as in, forgetting that stuff he said

This entire conversation is too confusing for me to understand right now, so Vote: Abstain
until I do make sense of it all.

Unless someone wants to sum up this entire argument in a few sentences?

Oh, and HAPPEH NEW YEAR!

I said something, romanic supported me, and glen suspected us both. Those two went on tangent against each other, and I ate some chicken and enjoyed the show.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Romanic, darling, I haven't voted for you because I haven't found you to be suspicious enough.

If you can get a player to talk, you can have them revealing all sorts of clues about themselves. You're a competent mafia player if you are a villain, but at this time I don't think you are, and I think Motep is even less suspicious.

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"Romanic darling"???? Don't say that again, you'll put bizarre thoughts in Beskar's head. :laugh4:

I am having difficulties understanding how you evaluate who's suspicious enough to get a vote, and who's not. Your reason to vote for Rebel Jeb was:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Glenn

And looking at that list this morning, one of the players I am liking least, and certainly one of the least helpful is

Vote: Rebel Jeb

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And here's some of the things some wrote about me:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

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Originally Posted by Glenn

FoS: A possible link between Motep and Romanic.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

I like the way Romanic and Motep are reacting, it is jaw-droppingly suspicious.

Romanic and Motep sitting in a tree K-I-L-L-I-N-G, all T-O-W-N-I-Es.

But note that I haven't voted for them yet.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

I don't know about Motep, but Romanic certainly seems to have his knickers in a knotty.

The idea of having a detective or any pro-town role reveal his full role on the second day can only favour the mafia, unless the detective states otherwise.

Romanic just isn't making sense, his suggestions are just villainous.

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Based on these posts, I should be above Rebel Jeb in your suspect list, unless your are purposely giving false impressions in the game thread.

Contradictions and spreading unfounded suspicions does not look townish to me.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

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But both of you have very flawed reasoning. If TinCow is a detective, the surest way to kill him besides lynching him is to put him as much in the public eye as possible - which is what you're trying to do. Don't please.

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I don't know if we're reading the same stuff here, but TinCow is already under a big spotlight and it can hardly get bigger. He claimed investigate powers, and has 10 votes on him: I don't see how he would avoid being attacked by the mafia in the next days, if he not lynched today. Revealing more about his role, or not, won't change this fact (but it might stop his lynch and maybe put us on the right track).

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Originally Posted by Motep

I said something, romanic supported me, and glen suspected us both. Those two went on tangent against each other, and I ate some chicken and enjoyed the show.

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"romanic supported me".

Now that's a good one! I pointed out that your idea, of voting for people who wanted a tie, wasn't a good suggestion and Glenn pointed out a possible link between us.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but I ain't supporting you in any way.

Ah, thank you.....I think.
Is there still an insane amount of votes for Tincow?
Last I saw, it was around 9 votes.

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Originally Posted by Romanic

"romanic supported me".

Now that's a good one! I pointed out that your idea, of voting for people who wanted a tie, wasn't a good suggestion and Glenn pointed out a possible link between us.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but I ain't supporting you in any way.

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wow, I really must be tired...this page has been unkind

Hopefully tomorrow later today I make more sense. In hindsight, I recall you trashing it.

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Originally Posted by Thefluffyone93

Unless someone wants to sum up this entire argument in a few sentences?

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Note: No one is confirmed anything besides the dead at this point

Beskar claims an unknown investigator got a result on TinCow that we should lynch him for. Beskar then got a second note from the investigator with more info, saying TC was definately mafia. Beskar did wiki research. TC is on his phone, not at home (New years, who isnt) but says he is an investigator, gave the name of Sasaki, Sasaki confirmed that he is correct.

That sums it up, I think?

That sums it up - but remember that Sasaki's confirmation doesn't acquit TC completely, and we are all still waiting to hear from the big bovine himself.

Get on out here!

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Romanic, I've fairly lost interest in you now - so I'll give my reasons; Motep made a suggestion which I didn't agree with, that being to suspect and look at lynching those who favoured a tie yesterday (I know one such was myself), but I ignored this until you came along.

It must be just your posting style, but what it looked like to me initially was a couple of scum buddies who were playing for want of a better term, "Good cop, Bad cop" in order to push votes towards those who were wanting a tie yesterday, which amounts to a few players other than myself - and these I all consider to be innocent.

So I started making waves in order to see if one of you would slip up.

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My vote remains on Rebel Jeb because he is displaying the behaviour of lurking scum - look at his posts. Bandwagoning votes, no input, no reasons, no dicussion.

I'm also disliking Sasaki's recent move and I'd like him to explain it.

Do we have anything besides the "case" on Tincow to work with? I am not enthusiastic about the Tincow lynch, and the reasons are because I neither believe the investigation results are that useful until we know more about them (like my Star Wars game) nor do I appreciate the way the reliance on investigators retards the discussion.

If my instincts about this game are correct, there will be multiple power roles to counterbalance the multiple murdering factions, and the roleblocker is a role which is basically in every game where there's a bunch of power roles.

Tincow can be blocked until we know more, and investigated by several scanners, so we can compare the results. Or we can lynch him with our itchy trigger finger, and we will be right back where we started, possibly minus one mafioso, possibly not. But he's claiming to be an investigator. I think there are ways to confirm that.

Wagon on Tincow is large enough. I want a different option, and until then, I vote: abstain.

I would make such a case myself but not tonight. I am being not lazy but utterly exhausted from work. Sorry, RL comes first.

after reading whole thread, vote: Glenn

I find myself unable to sleep after being woken up by some idiot who can't tell time. New years was two and 3/4 hours ago, and he just set off some fireworks. So I have finished reading the thread. One thing before I got:

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Originally Posted by Glenn

My vote remains on Rebel Jeb because he is displaying the behaviour of lurking scum - look at his posts. Bandwagoning votes, no input, no reasons, no dicussion.

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Glenn, I don't think you have played a game with RJ before, but that's pretty much what he does unless he has a power role of some kind. What's more, I have to remind him every day phase to check the friggin' org. You're looking for shadows where there are none.

But this brings up something: why does he even bother to sign up if he's not willing to play? I'm on to you, Jeb :inquisitive:

vote: Glenn. You have been trying to split the town's focus. Your posts, at first glance, seem informative, but upon further reading, they seem to me like a narration or recap of the game. I wouldn't be so suspicious of this if ATPG hadn't done somewhat the exact same behavior in my very first mafia game. When he was mafia.

I agree, Glenn is trying too hard to appear as a townie. Classic stuff that hasn't really been used for a while, since current players have managed to go past it...but Glenn is back from a decently long break, perhaps the behaviour is still there?

Thank you pevergreen for not only speaking negatively.

I have applied for play in apparently 11 mafia games, but I would only really class this as my fourth after Capo II, Treehouse of Horror and the first CoV.

In Capo II I was a strong pro-town role, but didn't know how to keep my mouth shut, in CoV I was a basic townie.

In Treehouse of Horror I was the godfather.

I would like to be able to say, look at those three games, see how I behaved as a townie and as mafia, but since I already am quite aware of my behaviour, that would only lead to "WIFOM".

The best evidence against me so far seems to be that I am trying too hard to help the town, which is really what I expect to be killed rather than lynched for, and secondly that I am trying to distract the town.

Yes! I am trying to distract the town! I'm trying to distract you from lynching a possible detective solely upon Beskar's word and I'm trying to get people talking - which I have achieved.

Vote:Beefy

This is part of my ultimate plan to serve the town.

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Thank you pevergreen for not only speaking negatively.

I have applied for play in apparently 11 mafia games, but I would only really class this as my fourth after Capo II, Treehouse of Horror and the first CoV.

In Capo II I was a strong pro-town role, but didn't know how to keep my mouth shut, in CoV I was a basic townie.

In Treehouse of Horror I was the godfather.

I would like to be able to say, look at those three games, see how I behaved as a townie and as mafia, but since I already am quite aware of my behaviour, that would only lead to "WIFOM".

The best evidence against me so far seems to be that I am trying too hard to help the town, which is really what I expect to be killed rather than lynched for, and secondly that I am trying to distract the town.

Yes! I am trying to distract the town! I'm trying to distract you from lynching a possible detective solely upon Beskar's word and I'm trying to get people talking - which I have achieved.

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That's your problem. Don't distract the town from lynching someone. Tell them not to. In big letters.

Always works.

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Originally Posted by Double A

That's your problem. Don't distract the town from lynching someone. Tell them not to. In big letters.

Always works.

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LYNCH DOUBLE A

And now we play the waiting game.

The -OUBLE in my name isn't capitalized, Hypocrite McMeaniepants.

So many posts so many accusations. For now I'll just say Happy New Year!

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Originally Posted by Insanious

So this was pretty much the most useless first day of a mafia game ever... no one talked about anything, and now day 2 is just like day 1 but we are down 6 people now... we going to start the almost obligatory "talk about lynching inactives, which then gives people something to analyze to actually start the thread off?" Or are we just going to continue to use random.org to find which targets we should lynch? Just wondering.

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This was a bog-standard day one. If anything (barring two townies being dead instead of the more typical one), it was better than usual. There's a heck of a vote trail in the case that classical hero, ATPG, or anyone else ever in danger turns up mafia.

Where have you played mafia before?

Vote: Motep , you are a bit too active with none-contributing posts

Personally I think this lynch on Tincow has a bit too many flaws.. or perhaps I just cannot see the big picture? At any rate we have some Informants that Beskar is ready to give away if Tincow is not scum(?). . So far there has been a single night phase, and that is not a lot time for the scanner to find out how his scans exactly works. So if the results are wrong and Tincow does not have H1N1, then potential useful scanners would be outed simply because they had relied on information they could only misinterperet. . Imo, give the scanners more time, so that they have other scanning results to compare with. it's obvious, that if the scanners are telling the truth, then we have different scans in the game, so ofc the scan results are not completely accurate.

As for the part that Beskar wouldn't be mafia because he is being the scanners spokesperson is imo nonesense.. the story he tells us is that he was contacted so that he could serve this role.. Town or not, he only has one way to go from there and that is to play along.

OOC note: Welcome Back Romanicninccinc :D

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Originally Posted by Glenn

Unvote; Vote: Insanious

One silly move too many Insanious; just what are you playing at?

I'm not convinced at all Beskar, you're just "being honest", I know - but this is inclined to have me doubting you.

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Good god, why? What would he have to gain? Whatever else, Beskar himself is probably telling the truth about this.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Classic stuff that hasn't really been used for a while, since current players have managed to go past it...

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YLC used what I like to call "the consumate townie" routine to amazing effect in Pizza's Murder Manor 3 game, way back in May/June; he'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those pesky kids.

Posting in such a fashion as Glenn has is inherently scummy, but doesn't necessarily suggest that he's mafia; it does, however, provide the mafia with an effective smokescreen to hide behind.

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And looking at that list this morning, one of the players I am liking least, and certainly one of the least helpful is

Vote: Rebel Jeb

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But...I'm just a little rebel jeb...

OMGUS

Vote: Glenn

Vote Abstain

I have learnt that investigator claiming this early can mean various things. This could be a very ballsy bussing technique but he could be right and I think Tincow should go but the amount of votes on him are enough and in case he comes up with some great defence I do not want him lynched on my vote. Plus a chorus of people voting tincow is hardly helpfull

Since there is around 32 hours left on the clock (due to extended phase), I will agree with the sentiment that Tincow should be at least heard from first when he is back.

Unvote:Tincow
Vote:Abstain

Allowing for the event of lynch reversibility (since its also possible that Tincow is a townie investigator). If not, my vote hops back on Tincow should the defense prove to be unsatisfactory persuasive.

After all, Tincow's correct results on Sasaki proves that he is indeed an investigator, though his alignment remains questionable.