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Yes, now read the rest ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Oh well, last day of the trial today.
Four more victims have their closing statements, then ABB gets his closing statements, then it's over.
I have to say that I'm very please at how the trial has gone. A worthy showing of a functioning court system in my opinion. No circus, no nonsense. Especially since it's been a tremendous challenge for the courts, since a lot of the dilemmas they have faced are new dilemmas, they don't have much previous court practice to base their decisions on(like what is allowed to be shown on tv, for example). All in all, I'm pleased.
ABB remains a mystery. It's quite clear to me that he has some heavy personality disorders, but whether that's narcissism, paranoid schizofrenia, asperger or something else,I'm of course not qualified to have an opinion on. One thing has been etched into my memory though:
ABB has several times reacted to statements by saying "I have never in my life been depressed", "I have never in my life been rejected", etc. What does it mean? Is he aware that he's telling a lie, and that it's just a pr jippo for his supposed followers? Does he simply not know what "depression" and "rejection" means? Or has he somehow convinced himself that he's never been rejected or depressed? Is he unable to see and/or accept negative aspects of his own person? A colleague offered the suggestion that he has no contact with his own feelings.
As for criminally insane, I am not completely sure of his sanity, and I fully support the prosecution.
I agree. Whatever the outcome Norway wins. What a shock it must have been to him that he gets a fair trial. Hats of to Norway you guys deserve a lot of respect for how you dealt with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
There's a crucial difference between saying that someone should be treated as if insane and saying that they believe someone is insane. The last part of your post does at best contradict the first part; though that is not the way it reads to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
It was fairly short and not very precise, as it was written a minute after Holden finished and 5 minutes before I left for work...Quote:
Originally Posted by Viking
Yes, several "conservatives who believes in justice and the rule of law" have that opinion...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
I'm very happy those kind of people are not in charge here.
ABB doesn't prefer it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiaexz
Neither is the prison sentence, so in that regard it's irrelevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV
A side note:
Earlier in the trial, ABB attacked Lillebjørn Nilsen's "barn av regnbuen", a norwegian translation of Pete Seeger's song "the rainbow race", stating that the song was an example of the multicultural indoctrination of children in Norway. As a response and protest, thousands of people met in central Oslo and many other cities to sing the song.
Today, ABB attacked Sex and the City, stating that the show is responsible for the decline in sexual morals. I eagerly await a response to this...... At least I know what my pick-up line is going to be tomorrow night. :smash:
'Do you agree this rag smells like chloroform'?
Good one, but I was thinking more along the lines of "...if you go home alone tonight, THE TERRORIST WINS!!!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
They will know you are lying, he's in jail and can't get out. They are stupid but not THAT stupid. I think. Could workQuote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
50/50Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
You are supposed to ignore my existance you are doing it all wrong
This kinda pisses me off, Norway's police is getting a cold shower from some serious jerks. It could supposedly have been prevented. It would seriously hurt my feelings if someone said I could have prevented it if a bomb just gone off in Oslo, who the hell expects that your recources are needed somewhere else at the same time if a bomb just went of causing several victims. Norway's police should just give them the finger and don't care about it being insensitive all that much. Because saying so is what is really insensitive. Especially after what they saw I feel really sorry for them that it is suggested they could have prevented it.
Bah, they did a great job. Respect for Norway just went down after masterfully dealing with this national trauma
Retrospect is always 20:20. In some cases when one has caused the situation, awareness of the likely outcomes is reasonable. In cases such as this it appears to be merely unhelpful
Could things have been done better? Almost certainly. Otherwise they'd be accused of being too prepared - did they have information and not act?
~:smoking:
I think you have failed to understand what the July 22nd commission is about. Of course, with the media hyping of the report, that's no wonder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
In essence, every public department is told what they did good and what they could've done better. The criticism is, of course, structural, since their job was to look at structural plusses and minuses, not hunt down individuals.
Much of the criticism is old news, like the need for improved communication systems(a project which has lasted around a decade or so) and more flexibility(which is a problem for every organization above a certain size). Knut Arild Hareide, the commission leader, announced that "government ministers are likely to resign". I suspect he's referring to the comms equipment and minister Aaserud, but I fail to see why she would have to go because of that case.
There are some new questions being asked too. The biggest one is about the police rules of conduct, ie. how they should respond to a given situation. All the officers responded according to their orders, so if we want a different conduct we need a different set of rules. Do we want our police to be more "aggressive" and take more risk? Will a change in order from "assess the situation and act when its safe - and leave the dangerous stuff to the special unit" to "engage immediatly", for example, result in fewer deaths or just more dead officers? That's an important discussion that should definitely be taken post 22/7, but it's an internal one for the police. I know it's a utopia to hope that politicians and commentators stay out of it, but at least I can hope their nonsensical and populist babbling won't affectthose who are capable of having such a discussion.
The head of the police resigns though, think this is a bit more than a mere evaluation. Looks like politics got the better of him. This leaves a nasty taste in the mouth how unreasonable can you be
Just for clarity's sake Knut Arild Hareide is leader of the christian democratic party opposition party and the transport and communications committee and the Stortingets (the parliament's) 22nd of July Committee, not the 22nd of July commission. (the leader of that is Alexandra Bech Gjørv)Quote:
Originally Posted by HoreTore
The Stortingets 22nd of July Committe was establish to process the account made by the ministers of justice and of defense about the 22nd of July. The commision on the other hand looked into what happened on the 22nd, ie what went wrong and why. It is also independant of the parliament, the committee is not and consisted of MPs.