Doctor Willenloss and his splendid invention, or... [Concluded]

Dude, Arjos is lurking scum.

But anyway, I am here confirming the night orders.

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Originally Posted by Ishmael

I'm not quite sold on this logic.

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I'm not here to sell you on the logic. As they say in Star Wars, I got a bad feeling about this.

The mafia will probably do what I said or something similar tonight. All our plans are public and all our roles are as well; and I get why we did it but I don't think we were able to use the mass outings to our advantage. The mafia know exactly what to do to counter us.

Monty is doing fine as the organizer but I believe there's enough trump cards in the mafia's favor that having an open plan leaves us vulnerable to counter. I've said my piece, feel free to ignore me, but I don't recommend that you do.

Professor Willess was collecting informations about one of other persons, when he was brutally killed. When doctor Willenloss heard about it, he started to cry. ' No, I cannot lose both my boys! No, that MUST be rewinded! I do not care about consequences, I do not care about my machine, that just hurts too much!
Diana Abnoba was Professor Willess.
Another info: NinjaCow was innocent

Ironside is still absent


List of living players
1.
2. Montmorency
3. Arjos
4. BSmith, Eva Znanetzky
5. Chaotix
6.
7. Ishmael
8.
9.
10.
11. Askthepizzaguy
12.
13.
14.
15. Ironside

Dead players
Xenoneb, Martha Burghes. Policewoman. Allegiance: town
Nightbringer, Ann Pferd. Role-scanner. Allegiance: town
Robbiecon: Immanuel Willenloss (known as Igor). Allegiance: not clear
Edse, Michael Connely. Tracker. Allegiance: town
Brickfaced, Jane. Assistant. Allegiance: town
NinjaCow, William Lane. Allegiance: town
Daveshack, Mike.
Diana Abnoba, professor Willess

Day 5 begins

Time to midday:


Time to end of day 5:

Damn mafia ~;p




Don't know if I will get results because I dead now, but I sent orders to scan Pizza last night.

Ok, I watched ATPG last night. She wasn’t at home, but I saw two “beautiful men” around her house last night as well.

Blocked again.

Vote: Arjos

Monty, can you rewind time again?

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Originally Posted by BSmith

Ok, I watched ATPG last night. She wasn’t at home, but I saw two “beautiful men” around her house last night as well.

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Listen boys, one at a time please. I'll get around to all of you eventually.

One step ahead. I realize they keep taking the easy way and simply killing the individual most cleared by the night's actions. I only come to understand who that was after the fact. :wall:

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Ok, I watched ATPG last night. She wasn’t at home, but I saw two “beautiful men” around her house last night as well.

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Alright, so Diana and Ishmael visited. We know that. We can afford to treat that info well, because...Tomorrow.


I could rewind, yes, but if I do it in this state Ironside and I could be ruined. Better not to - with both sons dead, the risks are too high. I've effectively lost the power.

If BSmith tells truth, then any of the doctors are suspect. Chaotix claims to have been blocked again.

Here's the plan for tonight - Arjos goes to the future. If he is innocent, he will follow this order. It is law.

Ironside is proven innocent without a doubt. If BSmith is innocent - and he is if Daveshack is innocent - then we must accept that Ishmael is innocent as well. If Daveshack is scum, we will know by the end of today.

Vote: Chaotix

You're an odd-one-out right now. Blocked twice in a row? You certainly were convinced that Dave was a Commie yesterday. Now, I see that. It would be a gamble. Vote a patsy if he's a patsy, but it wouldn't b ea problem to vote him if he were your partner.

But here's the case in your favor: we know that, unless Dave is scum, there have not been killed any scum. Does anyone else claim to have been blocked? In that case, it's certainly possible that he could be blocked twice in a row by someone like Arjos.

Everything rests on Dave's flip. For today, I simply must keep my vote on Chaotix. I would ask that we vote to lynch. Trust me in this thing. @Ironside: Please back me up.

Another thing: why would scum block Chaotix again, when they aren't even going after his protectee, again? If Chaotix scanned as a bodyguard, they could get a kill merely by attacking BSmith. In addition, they could put that block to good use by preventing BSmith from reporting on the night - though that much is given if we accept Ish and Di as innocent together. Still, clever scum would rather do something like block either Ishmael or Diana to make them look like duty-shirking townies: that is, scum.

That's actually also evidence against BSmith, but again: we need Daveshack's flip.

@Ishmael, how did your scan of Pizza turn?

ATPG scanned as a bodyguard.

I agree that one of the doctors is likely to be the killer. I've got a whole lot of hypothetical's - 'if Player A is scum, then Player B should be cleared,' sort of things - running through my head, but frankly none of them seem to be yielding anything with the information that is currently known. Thus I'll go with the doctor who has exhibited the most unusual behaviour:

vote: Chaotix

Extremely reluctant to go along with the mass-reveal earlier, scanned as a bodyguard but claims a pure doctor role, and supposedly blocked twice in a row. It just doesn't seem to add up.

I will note that Arjos is the doctor out amid two bodyguards (by your scan).

He'd better follow my orders carefully...

Now that Ishmael has given his results it is time for me to say that I learned something else last night. One of the two men that visited ATPG last night looks an awful lot like the one who attacked me. Since Diana is already dead, I’ll have to vote: Ishmael.

Impossible. You were killed by Robbiecon.

I am blatantly watching and waiting to see who votes where, in case you're curious.

If I contribute to any wagon, it makes it easier for mafia to hide in the wagon or avoid voting altogether since the lynch is decided. I want to know where people stand.

BSmith, I noticed that you don't give names for visitors. Edse could even tell whom his target was visiting.

I see. We may lynch Chaotix tomorrow, if necessary.

Unvote; Vote: Arjos

I have no more need of your "services".

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

I see. We may lynch Chaotix tomorrow, if necessary.

Unvote; Vote: Arjos

I have no more need of your "services".

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Isn't this awfully similar to your argument yesterday? Seriously Montmorency, you need to start giving reasons if you want people to vote with you (although to be fair you did with Chaotix, which is a good start).

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

BSmith, I noticed that you don't give names for visitors. Edse could even tell whom his target was visiting.

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Yeah, I have never gotten a name as part of my watching. If Robbiecon was the one who killed me, then how do you account for the result that one of the two men who visited ATPG’s house last night looked a lot like the man who attacked me?

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Originally Posted by Jarema

Michael Connely decided to spy professor Willess. Michel's intuition does not full him about his intended target. Professor doesn't sit at his house, but he rather visited someone else. Unfortunately, before Michael could see anything more, he was shoot down. The killer departed into the night, saying silently: 'For the People'.



Someone else was on the hunt during the same night. Eva Znanetzky was peeking into windows of John Blake's house, when someone grabbed her from behind and started strangling her. When she passed out, the perpetrator undressed her, almost completely. When he tried to remove Eva's underwear, she regained consciousness. 'Why? You are so handsome, if you asked me, I would be yours without all...' at this moment, his knife silenced her forever.

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Comparing the two kills, it's pretty evident that you were killed by the SK (robbiecon). I can only see two options to explain your results then - either you're mafia looking for a cheap lynch, or something/somebody has tampered with your results. In regards to the former, it's a bit of a risky play by mafia unless today is LyLo - but for the latter, it seems odd that scum would not have used such an ability before if they had it. Nonetheless, I'll leave my vote on Chaotix for now.

Nothing is making sense here lol

Mafia blocking to prevent protection, but without making any use of that...
Yet Ishmael scanned Chaotix as a bodyguard, cover role? No clue XD
BSmith is seeing ghosts, really don't understand that...

Vote: BSmith

No one attacked him tonight, SK got mafia previously?

I can time travel tomorrow, but seems I'm today's pick for the nonsense/least bad lynch...
My role it's doctor (personal bodyguard), don't know what to tell you...

I’m willing to bet top dollar that one of you two is mafia.

I have only reported what I have learned from my watching, yet I can’t escape the feeling that both of you are trying to direct suspicion on me. Are we a little panicked over the news?

The only way I can interpret my findings is that one of the people that visited ATPG last night also killed me earlier. Either that or we have a look-alike contest going on.

Assuming everyone did what they were supposed to do last night, the only two people I should have seen were Ishmael and Diana. Diana is dead, and we should know her alignment soon (probably innocent given she was night-killed). That leaves a huge level of doubt on Ishmael in my mind. Especially since his main reaction was to deflect attention and skillfully try to put some doubt on my findings.

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List of living players
1.
2. Montmorency
3. Arjos
4. BSmith, Eva Znanetzky
5. Chaotix
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7. Ishmael
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11. Askthepizzaguy
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15. Ironside

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One of these is the mafia roleblocker, or Chaotix is guilty, because Chaotix reported being blocked and all town blockers should be dead,

I can cross myself off, and likely, Monty as well due to his other demonstrated powers.

According to BSmith's own testimony, Diana and Ishmael were seen elsewhere, so they couldn't have been blocking Chaotix.

Ironside isn't back yet.

That leaves Arjos, BSmith, and Chaotix. And of course, Arjos and Chaotix are our two claimed doctors.

Meanwhile, BSmith is saying that Ishmael looks like someone he couldn't possibly be. Chaotix is being blocked, but for what purpose? Nothing happens when he gets blocked.

The folks whose stories make the least sense are BSmith and Arjos and Chaotix. But, Arjos isn't being blocked for no reason whatsoever, and Arjos is also not a person seeing people who couldn't possibly be there.

My vote would go on either BSmith, or Chaotix today. Monty, it's up to you where it should go. In MY opinion, we should be lynching BSmith. We know his name, not that he's town.

Ishmael correctly scanned my role. I am surprised that he said bodyguard, because all along I have been saying essentially that I love the Doctor and would be willing to die for him, and that might have been fake "scanned" as something besides a bodyguard. So Ishmael definitely scanned me.

BSmith is saying that Ishmael was the person who attacked him, when it clearly cannot be. That means he's lying, or the game host is lying.

Between the two, it's not going to be the game host lying, Monty.

As much as I am tempted to split the question of the doctors in two, we can deal with them tomorrow. BSmith's role hasn't caught anything useful and is now reporting information we know to be false.


Unvote if I am voting
Vote: BSmith

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Originally Posted by Arjos

Nothing is making sense here lol

Mafia blocking to prevent protection, but without making any use of that...
Yet Ishmael scanned Chaotix as a bodyguard, cover role? No clue XD
BSmith is seeing ghosts, really don't understand that...

Vote: BSmith

No one attacked him tonight, SK got mafia previously?

I can time travel tomorrow, but seems I'm today's pick for the nonsense/least bad lynch...
My role it's doctor (personal bodyguard), don't know what to tell you...

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This is the defense of a townie trying to make sense of the situation. He's reporting the facts which are incongruent but he's also not acting all pissy or aggressive toward someone he could easily make a much more devastating case on.

This guy is the wrong guy, based on everything we know.

To be clear, I am not saying that it was Ishmael without a doubt. One of Diana or Ishmael (assuming they actually were the two that visited ATPG) looks like the guy that attacked me. Nothing more, nothing less. But I love how my words are being twisted to make it sound like I am a lying scumbag. Unfortunately with the delay in revealing alignment, it may be too late when you see for sure that I am innocent.

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Originally Posted by BSmith

To be clear, I am not saying that it was Ishmael without a doubt. One of Diana or Ishmael (assuming they actually were the two that visited ATPG) looks like the guy that attacked me. Nothing more, nothing less. But I love how my words are being twisted to make it sound like I am a lying scumbag. Unfortunately with the delay in revealing alignment, it may be too late when you see for sure that I am innocent.

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Okay, but I want to know where you stand on everyone else, now that you're backing off on the Ishmael claim. It seems really odd to me that they would look so similar but it mean nothing, and the game host threw that in to confuse you. It does sound more like something you made up. But let's not assume your innocence or guilt, let's pick your brain.

Of Chaotix and Arjos, which do you suspect to be scum more than the other? Why?

A problem, Pizza: if BSmith is scum, and Dave was not, did BSmith just guess correctly the other day that Dave had done nothing? If BSmith is scum, he likely hasn't ever watched anyone, right? Dave's flip tonight should tell us whether or not this character is straight, right?

One thing regarding Arjos: he's clever. He's just the sort I'd expect to make these moves as scum.

And don't forget that we ould have 3 bodyguards of 15 players this way.

On the other hand, I could find a way to use three bodyguards.

I would prefer you guys to lynch Arjos or Chaotix, but if I let this slide will I get you guys to follow my orders to the utmost tomorrow?

Ironside is back, he just hasn't been active yet unfortunately. We still have 26 hours.

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Isn't this awfully similar to your argument yesterday? Seriously Montmorency, you need to start giving reasons if you want people to vote with you (although to be fair you did with Chaotix, which is a good start).

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My preferences shift, based on various reevaluations. :shrug:

I support a Chaotix lynch over Arjos, but that might be residual confirmation bias left over from my devastating smackdown on him a few rounds ago.

I might not be the most unbiased jurist on that one, so I defer to your judgment on the matter, Monty.

At this time, however, BSmith appears the most questionable, and DaveShack could very well have been scum that he was covering for.

I'm not willing to wait for absolute proof on the matter, because it may well be too late. I don't buy that there were only two scums and a SK in this game, and I don't want to leave open the possibility that all our suspects are slipping by until we have a certain standard of proof. This is a mafia game, I am prepared to guess, and we may need to guess in order to win it.

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I'm not willing to wait for absolute proof on the matter, because it may well be too late.

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Tonight. Look, if there are three commies - four scum in 15 players is something you would pull, or Zack, or Visor, but never Jarema - then you are scum with Ishmael and Arjos. If there were three commies, we would have seen associations at play. 3/7 with one apparent AWOL is the time to go all out in the WIFOM. Bull.

Difficult to make such blanket assertions about the game balance when there's revivers, doctors, scanners, etc. More resembling of an all-power role game or something similar would have three.

I also note, tonight is officially too late at 3/7, because unless you hit a scum, that's 3/6. Having proof when the game is over is not something that we should care about.

If it is LYLO, which it is possible it is not, but why take chances, then town must stand united. I'm one of the few who is willing to say who I'd be willing to vote for, and that list is not one person. This is to help us align our suspicions and get someone lynched without infighting.

I've left it up to you to make the call, Monty. But I think we should lynch BSmith.