Out of character thread XVII

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Originally Posted by Zim

Thanks. :2thumbsup: Since noone had posted there since Econ opened it back up, I wasn't sure.

I would think that interactions at the Tavern would take place at an indterminate time, so distance wouldn't matter. In Andreas' case, i'd just pretend he is back for the Diet, ignoring the fact that he may be in a defensive battle tomorrow. :yes:

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There are no real rules for rp'ing distance. Some people observe very strict rules. Some ignore distance completely.

But, since each "turn" takes 2 years, it is not totally unrealistic that nobles would sail back and forth.

During the Diet, a lot of people pretend the House/Outremer threads are "chambers" that are off of the Diet floor instead of "great halls" in between Diet sessions.

So, no real rules regarding travel. Some people just have their personal preferences.

Sending proxies is also a mechanism we use but it is sometimes frowned on if it is overused.

:bow: Thanks, Econ and PK.

P.S. PK, you haven't commented on the "mighty" empire I posted in the Britannia OOC thread yet. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Zim

P.S. PK, you haven't commented on the "mighty" empire I posted in the Britannia OOC thread yet. :clown:

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Well I am of course amused that there is a "New Jansylvania". :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Well I am of course amused that there is a "New Jansylvania". :2thumbsup:

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You'll have to ask deguerra about the origins of that name and Ludwigistan. Basically, it came out of a joke between the two of us. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

Just move on. The battle was horrible... It's not worth it.
Their general died, but many more of our men did too, and it ended in a massive rout...

I've got some screens detailing the battle results, and you'll see it's not worth it.

Let's just use 1338-8 as the next save. Sorry for the delay.
It's 4h20 here, so have a good day!

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Uhhh so you played the battle, lost many men and just quit it and ask us to use the save before you fought it? :inquisitive:
If you are losing(have lost a battle, at least post a save of you having lost it rather than suggesting to skip it!

TinCow and I have discussed the Venice situation - if Warmaster Horus does not upload a post-battle save by the deadline, TC will just autoresolve it. I suspect it will be a defeat - not unlike what WH experienced fighting it manually.

People need to be cautious in the immediate post-cataclysm phase of the game. The AI will still be there in strength - it will be topped up for 1340 - and there won't be TC's safe asterisked option available. We won't be able to use the console to spawn extra men or teleport help. Our financial situation is tight so you can't bank on instant reinforcements.

There's no shame in picking your fights - apparently ancient and medieval generals used to maneouvre for weeks or months just to get the chance to give battle on the most favourable terms (the enemy generals seldom obliging). I doubt I could have won WH's assault on Venice - two stacks AND a bridge, when either one would give me pause for thought. And, even if I could, I am sure it would have cost me most of a full stack.

Well I'm torn in half to have to mention this but, I'm heading to mountains for some snowboarding from Friday night to Sunday afternoon.

I guess that doesn't place me in a good position for the Diet session.

How long will it be econ?

And where is the latest save by the way?

The latest save is still the 1338-8 one, until the Venetian situation is resolved. I am sorry to spoil things but I think Arnold will have a defensive battle, so we need to liase with TinCow to see if we can have you fight it before you pop off. I'll PM you both about that now.

I suspect we will open the Diet on Friday night or Saturday. People have asked for it to be longer than usual, so we could aim to close it on Wednesday evening. Vote on Thursday and then the new Chancellor will have next weekend to get to grips with it.

If you want to PM me an opening Diet speech or something, I could post it on your behalf - given Arnold's lastest story, that might be a better option for him than jumping in a couple of days after the initial hullabaloo.

Hi Econ,

I just read your PM.

I'm on GMT +1 in Switzerland. I wont be heading out until about 18:00 on Friday and more than likely returning around 18:00 on Sunday.

If the Diet could be extended I would greatly appreciate that given what I would like to do this session.

Ideally I'd like to fight the battle before I leave, send you my opening speech and then get back Sunday night and do some catch up reading and wade back in.

skiing in switzerland...you lucky bastard :thumbsup:

I actually hope that Warmaster Horus does NOT upload a post-battle save, as I have just fiddled around with the existing save to allocate most of the feudal levies. Details in the Chancellor and Governors thread - please keep discussion here.

I hope TinCow can work from this save:

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1338-9.zip

hey econ: Ludwig considers himself a bit of a man of the people (at least the flemish) so the infantry levy will do me fine. thanks

On a side note to the "lawfare" debate, I'd like to point out that almost all of you are natural-born English-speakers but not your servitor...

I can read and comprehend all that I read but I would have some problems discussing legal matters with you (my English Law studies are more than 10 years behind me and I wouldn't like to have to give them a brushing up...)

So rules debate are off the question for me...

yeh I think the general consensus is to just keep it to a minimum. technically I'm not a native speaker, but I've been in english speaking countries a while. You just an "average" frenchie tristan? In that case your english is splendid!

I'm not a native English speaker either, but happen to start studying this language around 6th grade or so and actively use it since 10th grade.

I bet Tristan is secretly plotting for the return of a French monarch to the English throne :grin:

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Originally Posted by Tristan de Castelreng

On a side note to the "lawfare" debate, I'd like to point out that almost all of you are natural-born English-speakers but not your servitor...

I can read and comprehend all that I read but I would have some problems discussing legal matters with you (my English Law studies are more than 10 years behind me and I wouldn't like to have to give them a brushing up...)

So rules debate are off the question for me...

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Tristan, you've got an excellent command of the language especially considering it is your second or third language...therefore you will have an opinion.

Please don't hesitate to voice it my friend. We aren't lawyers and this isn't Medieval Total Legal debate. If you role play then your a noble in medieval times who is at the top end of society...get stuck in, no matter what the more legally inclined are saying...

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Four years of education in English in college do that for you, deguerra

Anyway, as you said, let's just keep it to a minimum... It's Total War after all and not Total Legislation...

I have updated the List of Battles to the best of my ability. However, for the battles from 1328 to the present, I only have the info supplied in the OOC thread and the Battle Reports thread. Any results sent to me by PM are not included because the PMs have long since been deleted.

I am missing stats on about a dozen battles and it is possible that I have completely forgotten a few battles as well. Please check over the table. If you see any battles that are completely missing, or can help fill in missing stat info, please let me know.

Keep legal debate to a minimum?

Since we're agreeing OOC on IC behavior, should we keep exterminating, executing, and butt-scratching to a minimum too? How much should we decide in the OOC thread instead of... oh I don't know... playing the game!

I reject the notion that we should decide in here about behavior that we should be deciding in the game. When I wanted to try to limit executions, I did not bring it up in here. I tried to use the game mechanics to change behavior. I failed of course but I had fun and I went about it the right way. And that is "in the game".

Do not keep legal debate "to a minimum". Engage in as little or much of it as you wish. If you want to sit your avatar on the floor of the Diet, and turn the whole Charter into a haiku, you can. If people want to limit debate, then do so within the game. Form a "anti-lawfare" alliance with like minded characters.

There have been "chivalrous behavior" and "dread behavior" support groups in the game and I see legal debate as something similar. But I'm getting a little tired of the attempts at "peer-pressure" that keep popping up on this thread. Keep the peer-pressure "in game". Don't use it against your colleagues out of the game. We deserve better than that. :yes:

We probably should let the issue of legal debate drop for a while. We are now arguing about whether we should be arguing about whether there is too much arguing about law. My head hurts. :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by econ21

We probably should let the issue of legal debate drop for a while. We are now arguing about whether we should be arguing about whether there is too much arguing about law. My head hurts. :dizzy2:

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QED

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Originally Posted by econ21

We are now arguing about whether we should be arguing about whether there is too much arguing about law.

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I feel like we're having a "meeting" meeting...

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Originally Posted by deguerra

skiing in switzerland...you lucky bastard :thumbsup:

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:beam:

and what is QED GH? (I just love all the acronyms)

Err, just briefly, on the legal disputes; Our goal should be to have fun, first and foremost, right? So I'll do what's fun for me, and you do what's fun for you, but don't be surprised if you type up a three page rebuttal to the 'definition of is' edict and Fritz just turns to the Kaiser and says 'We appear to be at an impasse. What say you Emperor?'

Which is to say, a debate requires two parties. If we have an agreed upon arbitrator then nobody can really be forced into such a debate.

Ramses goes back to typing his seventeen page Clarification of the Anti-Reunification and Byzantine Denunciation Proclamation

:egypt:

It certainly is pointless to try and prearrange any level of debating.

As I said before, this diet is going to be a big one, and if people want to waste their time on debating law then they are free to "knock themselves out."

If we need to get a ruling then we should call for one "earlyish" so we can keep the ball rolling.

As long as that is in the background then lets leave it up to the "Free Market" economic concept of supply and demand and self regulation.

I'm a little sad I'm going to miss the start of this because I'm going to Ichgel, some of you European types will know it...it's the equivalent of Cancun except in the snowy mountains of Austria...and I live 4 minutes from the border.

hmmmm I wonder if I should take my laptop? :clown:

most ppl know QED from maths:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.

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Originally Posted by deguerra

most ppl know QED from maths:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q.E.D.

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thanks "d".

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

hmmmm I wonder if I should take my laptop? :clown:

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No you shouldn't take your laptop!!!!!

Your on VACATION!!!!

You should sit back, relax, and enjoy the "view".

(and I don't mean the mountains)

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:D

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

No you shouldn't take your laptop!!!!!

Your on VACATION!!!!

You should sit back, relax, and enjoy the "view".

(and I don't mean the mountains)

:yes:



:D

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It's even better than that...I'm off from today until Monday next week...then I'm taking from the 20th of December to the 6th of January off.

Essentially I'm at work Tuesday and Wednesday next week and then that's it.

Whoo hooo!!

And yes I intend to be looking at "The View" in the mountain over the weekend...just to give you an idea of how obvious we are being...out of the 5 of us...one is taking his snowboard gear...the rest of us are just going for apre ski and the night life!! LOL :laugh4:

Hey guys, if anyone is interested we've got a mini KOTR type game going for the Teutonic Order.

Only one general avatar left, but that should change. If I remember correctly from my SP games, more should be adopted quickly, and expansion will lead to omre births. :thumbsup:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...11#post1778511