The pain you suffered from my latest taunt
Was not intended to make you gaunt.
To those ends I surely would
Have made a note about how good
Are the 'attributes' of your shapely aunt.
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The first time I ever see an argument over poems. >_>
Ichigo is online now ~:handball:
Moderator privilege, eh, I can't help what I see in the "online members" list...
in any case I don't have sympathy for someone who just doesn't post all game...
:applause:
Roles were chosen at random.
Also voting extended until Sunday, March 22, 16:00 Eastern.
I just distrust anyone who can post and chooses not to. :shrug:
*pulls out popcorn*....a duel and a lurker lynched.....nice:smash:
i just realised that i didnt vote
just to save me from thinking
Vote: Ichigo
might as well
hmm, since TinCow is claiming such a high duel score, perhaps we should have him challange a lurker. Better yet would be to have two lurkers challange each other. Maybe Lord Winter and CountArach? Would be good to eliminate some of these lurkers through duel rather than lynch.
the problem with that is that you need th lukers to be online for them to challenge each other.... :sweatdrop:
You can beat me up, Seireikhaan. I might be dead, but I'll fight you! :laugh2:
If TinCow is the sorcerer, I bet if he duels he'll have to use spells, which will give out his role, something he surely doesn't want it to happen. I will post something here soon enough concerning TinCow, as soon as I talk to a certain person.
Is this person named AsktheSeamaki?
I had nothing to do with it this time. I wash my hands.
TinCow clearly values his life too much,
Any townsperson would not do as such
He should not hide from me
And show us what he be
Come, let's see who fights the best in the clutch.
Unvote:Ichigo Vote:TinCow I am with Khaan on this one....TinCow is acting weird:inquisitive:....and since I feel lynching a guy with three posts for this entire game is kinda sad....I will not help:no:
Its kinda sad that there is a challenge function but no one so far has accepted any challenge. The conditional acceptance seems to spoil the fun of it..
I feel that white_eyes is a little to wild in his voting.
I'll call TinCow out to explain himself tomorrow, as I'm very sleepy and must go to sleep. (2:30 AM here)
A posting scan on Tincow:
72 of 1064 here, for 2.67ppp
127 of 2224 in G3 (townie), for 2.27ppp ended up lynched
110 of 1105 in Eph (townie), for 3.93ppp ended up lynched
45 of 823 in Chi (townie), for 2.14ppp ended up lynched
88 of 153 in Mid2 (jotun), for 2.25ppp won
80 of 1187 in M8 (townie), for 2.67 ended up lynched
If anything this reveals a slight trend to decrease posting a bit when mafia -- but Tincow's overall rate is pretty similar across the board.
Voting wise, he voted for Ares D2 (after voting for FH), voted for Pizza D3, Andres on D4, and is voting for Jolt now.
This voting pattern is inconclusive as well.
EDIT: Hey, I got the Battle of Hastings post!
I think that TinCow can be given one round of benefit of the doubt, while Ichigo still hasn't participated. I think he deserves less.
Heh? What's with all these rhymes!
Don't you little whippersnappers know:
Poetry
Which Rhymes
Is for those
That need
Crutches.
Vote:Ichigo
How dare this... man feel that he is too good to post in this thread.
Vote : Tincow
I felt something scummy about him all along and already ALMOST voted for him, so here goes one more time, hoping this does the trick..
Weekend was crazy. :bow:
Vote: abstain
Seamus, if we don't take into account the pre-day 1 posts and posts made after game conclusion, what would those numbers be?
Anyways, as everyone by now knows, FactionHeir was an investigator which was killed by the Mafia last night. Now, in the night he was killed, he investigated TinCow and according to his investigation results, it seems that TinCow has many books and odd contraptions in his tent, which may or may not be related to sorcery or alchemism. If so, then TinCow might just be our friendly neighbour Sorcerer. I must underline that FactionHeir can't quote the result PMs since he's dead.
TinCow's taste for books or contraptions might be added his odd behaviour which some townies have been noticing, ranging from his staunch defence of Ares (A confessed Serial Killer of Vode) to rejecting the duel of sereikhaan, which could give out his role. Now I have come forward in private for him to explain himself if he could, but he would want non of it, and has "allowed" me to put forth this evidence for public discussion. I hope that since this information is now public, TinCow can explain himself so we can see if he is the sorcerer or not. TinCow, you have the floor.
I have not really gone to the trouble of calculating things that way, assuming that the pre/post phases are more or less a wash as they tend to be fairly similar from game to game.
This pre phase was a bit longer than usual, however, at about 150 posts.
Just checked. Reenk opened play at post 162. Tincow had 8 posts during the 161-post prequel phase. That would give hime 64 of 903 or a rate of 2.78ppp. Please note, I have NOT done a baseline comparison with other games. The only thing unusual of note was that his posts jumped on the 12th before play began. Excited by contents of his PM? Just having lots of fun with the Marxist debate at the time?
Jolt:
Word has already spread pretty broadly about those detective results -- though no one has a full quote for the rules reasons you mention. Unfortunately, while they almost certainly confirm that Tincow has a role -- possibly a major role -- they bring us no closer to knowing the role intent. Sasaki's observations about Tincow's changed style (we've seen that frequency is pretty constant) very much support the idea that Tincow is a major role. But for whose side?
We've already seen that Reenk has things nicely twisted for us to unravel, so it's making some of us reticent to just jump up and target him.
This is not to say that your implications are off-base. You may well be dead on target. I'm still cogitating it.
An investigation result? On moi? Why would anyone investigate someone who is as clearly innocent as I am? Hmmm... I seem to have misplaced my own role PM somewhere and cannot seem to recall my own identity. Not surprising, as too much poetry rots the brain. Surely a proper investigation result from a detective would indicate whether I was guilty or innocent. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to whether I am good or evil by informing us all whether that investigation result said I was guilty or innocent.
Now that, right there, is reason enough to chuckle and leave TinCow alive for one round.
:applause:
But we should lynch him eventually. Probably soon.
I can't because I don't know since I haven't seen the Investigation results. FH, which has the investigation results, however seems to think you might be the sorcerer. And since he can't quote the results of his investigation, I'll just have to take his word for granted. If there is any other Pro-town investigator, then maybe he can investigate you. Since you can't explain yourself, I'll have to deduce you have something to hide. As such, the benefit of the doubt I gave you when you defended Ares is now expired.
Unvote: taka
Vote: TinCow
tincow: 7 (white_eyes, tristan(2), jolt(2),khaan(2))
Ichigo: 7 (yoyoma(2),seamus,taka,captain blackadder(2), littleGrizz)
jolt: 1 (tincow)
I believe this is correct...anyway, having seen the "investigation result" on TinCow (if you read FH's role he isn't a detective) it leads one to the conclusion that he is not the sorcerer. I don't believe he should be lynched.
I'm undecided. It's not a full investigation, for sure, but it has vital info. Since he's been exposed, I think we can afford to leave him alive and dispose of Ichigo. Then we challenge him next round.
But, I'm dead, and I'm also the fool behind the pro-town network which cannot keep secrets, even though this time, it wasn't my fault. And since I am a fool, ignore me.
:wall:
A point of order, good sir. It is not that I am incapable of explaining myself, it is simply that I do not have such a desire. It is as the great Marcus Tullius Cicero once said, "As fire when thrown into water is cooled down and put out, so also a false accusation when brought against a man of the purest and holiest character, boils over and is at once dissipated, and vanishes and threats of heaven and sea, himself standing unmoved."
Just to tell you, I'm not a stickler for the voting rules like some other hosts. When I read through the thread, if I see you made a vote basically explicit, despite it not being bolded or unvoted propery, I will count it. Day ends in 10 minutes.
Unvote: Jolt
Vote: Ichigo
Sorry, old man, but my head is prettier than yours!
Damn, lol, that's what I call cutting it close.
TinCow's vote counts :laugh4: (it was mentioned in the gameplay section of the first post)
Voting ended, stand by.
Fear not, good citizens of the Settlement! Who amongst us would better know whether I should live or die but me? No one, says I! Indeed, I have lived with myself nearly my entire life! I've known myself from the day I was born! Why, I know every single one of my own deep, dark secrets... well, except for that one time when I woke up in a ditch with a dead donkey next to me and an empty bottle of grog. I can't exactly remember what happened there, but I'm pretty sure I'm innocent of any malfeasance that may or may not have been committed! Regardless, I am certainly the best judge of mine own character, and I therefore pronounce myself innocent!
Hooray, we're saved!
This kind of stuff is precisely why I want him alive. Interesting slash ballsy play always gets the nod from me. Except when Reenk does it. Then it's just plain evil.
:clown:
:stupido: Day 4
Quote:
The day was filled with lively discussion about the man named Ichigo and most everyone except for the somewhat quiet fellow Ichigo participated. One man with the monkier Tin Cow who had been especially notable in spreading his enlightened ideas of how the settlement should be run earned the ire of many of the settlers and began garnering much support for his execution.
As the deadline approached, there was a tie, and Tin Cow realizing that he would be at the mercy of the decision of the priest king, preferred the certainty of being second and cast his vote for Ichigo at the moment Reenk Roink opened the door to carry out the execution.
Feeling safe, he again began to pontificate his virtues and how he was the one who would lead the charge against the usurper plot and later lead the settlers to an enlightened life.
As the priest king called for the damned, the Bronze Companions went to fetch Ichigo who was not present in the discussions. However, suddenly a man yelled: "Stop! Someone has changed the tally!"
Reenk Roink and his settlers went to the large clay tablet where the votes and challenges were stored and indeed saw one extra tally in favor of Tin Cow and one tally removed from Ichigo.
Reenk Roink addressed his subjects: "Obviously someone has tampered with the tally tablet, but we know that it is Ichigo that is to be executed, so bring me-"
A man interrupted: "We cannot do this priest king. We agreed in our charter that the man who had the most votes according to the tally tablet would be executed. It was... a preventative measure against your tyranny. The charter has spoken, we must execute Tin Cow!"
Reenk Roink buried his face into his palms in disbelief. After some moments and some muttering, he finally looked up and hastily said: "Bring me Tin Cow and let us get this over with."
Tin Cow had by this time resigned himself to the unfairness of this irrational and superstitious society. He began to pontificate to the priest king about how to be a wise ruler and so on.
Reenk Roink was getting annoyed by the supercilious attitude of this balding man covered with dust and he ordered his Bronze Companions to pelt Tin Cow with figurines of cows made of tin. Unfortunately, these tin cows were not doing enough damage as a traditional stoning so the impatient priest king ordered molten tin to be poured in the talking man's mouth, silencing him once and for all.
Voting Record:Quote:
Deep in the Divine Forest the gods watched the proceeding execution with glee. All their differences disappeared as they saw the molten tin enter Tin Cow's throat.
Vode remarked: "I now somewhat regret plotting against this priest king, for he has done such a great deed in our eyes." OsiOsi nodded and handed the god of wars and foreign peoples a drink.
Kefy however, quickly got over her glee and snapped at OsiOsi: "You have no need for Pisuf now, destroy him!"
OsiOsi replied: "Rather I will let Pisuf lead himself to destruction."
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Challenge Record:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Vote Tally:
TinCow - 7 + 1 = 8 (seireikhaan, White_eyes:D, Tristan de Castelreng, Jolt)
Ichigo - 8 - 1 = 7 (Captain Blackadder, LittleGrizzly, Seamus Fermanagh, taka, Yoyoma1910, TinCow)
abstain: 1 (Psychonaut)
Challenge List:
Alive:
taka
White_eyes:D
seireikhaan
Lord Winter
Captain Blackadder
Psychonaut
CountArach
boudica
Jolt
Ichigo
Yoyoma1910
Tristan de Castelreng
Sigurd
LittleGrizzly
Seamus Fermanagh
Executed:
777Ares777
Askthepizzaguy
Andres
TinCow
Fallen in battle:
Killed:
TheFlax
pevergreen
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Sasaki Kojiro
Beefy187
shlin28
GeneralHankerchief
FactionHeir
Ahahahaha :laugh4:
Classic...
Pizza no like. Bad medicine.
Very dodgy, we should make lynches less close so no one can change the towns decision... any idea whether this was a pro town player or anti town player ?
I know who it is. If a bunch of townies want him lynched, I will reveal. Otherwise it is a secret.
Hmmm... interesting. I suspected someone's side goal was to eliminate me, but I never thought it would be Pisuf. Well played my friend. Out of respect for your boldness, I shall leave you to continue your important work, along with our other friends. I may have failed to save my own neck, but as my mission was only to save the Settlement, I will continue to work towards those ends, putting aside any desire for revenge. :bow: (This is what I get for trusting the damnable Gods... though I didn't exactly have a choice, now, did I?)
People of the Settlement! Fear not, for your salvation is almost here! I have been busy sneaking into your homes and tents on a nightly basis to see what nasty things you were up to. Fortunately, I have a fondness for sake, which naturally led me initially to the home of our dear, departed friend Sasaki. He was, of course, most heinously guilty, though I suspect he was simply out for his own ends, rather than in league with this legion of Vode. I communicated this information to my dear, dear friend Pisuf, who disposed of the problem most conveniently. Fear not, for despite Pisuf's apparent betrayal of my most enlightened wisdom, he is truly a protector of you all. There are many friends amongst you still, and due to your own wisdom and the good work of those who watch over you, three criminals now lay dead.
Ares was your own good work, and I can claim no part in it, for I was truly skeptical of 'miracles' such as convicted him. I'm sure there's a rational explanation for what happened there, but I haven't had time to discover it yet. Probably has to do with evolution of a pebble or something.
Sasaki, as I said, was a most guilty party. Assembling some kind of cult or other, I suspect. In any case, we dealt with him so that you did not have to.
Andres was a minor player in the cult of Vode, not the independent minded assassin that he claims. He was also detected as guilty, though by another one of your protectors, not myself.
I know that some of you who are still living are innocent, but in order to protect you from the usurpers I shall refrain from naming you at this moment. Be assured, if I see that you are in peril, I will make my knowledge of your innocence known to all.
Makes sense.
As some info was leaked to Sasaki, but not all, many are still safe. However, given how I've bungled things, and given how complex this game seems to be, and how terrible I am with complex games... I think I'm going to bow out for the remainder, so hopefully I won't wreck the town's chances this time.
I'm not the slightest bit guilty...as I said earlier, tincow appears to have a general "anti-gods" role.
Ah... even in death I receive enlightenment. Apparently our good friend Pisuf is not necessarily our good friend Pisuf. Pisuf, it seems, can choose whatever path he wishes. He could help you, he could help the servants of Vode, or he could simply seek victory for himself. Pisuf has apparently chosen to eliminate everyone and live only for himself. Pisuf's abilities alternate between investigation and killing. Tonight he can investigate, so he cannot kill. Pisuf is also completely immune to lynching one time, so you would need to lynch him twice to dispose of him. Since his alignment is now for himself alone, it seems like he will most certainly have to die. Fortunately, there is a man amongst you who is capable of disposing of this fellow tonight to avoid the most problematic double lynch.
Pisuf, my friend, I welcome you to your impending death.
Addendum, apparently I was incorrect about the alternating ability to investigate and kill. He is apparently capable of doing either of them whenever he wants. For this reason, and since I do not know whether the one person I know who can solve this problem will be online to submit his orders, I feel the need to call in the assistance of the Sorcerer of Vode. Mr. Sorcerer, while I do not share your goal of destroying the settlers, Pisuf is now a threat to us all. As he can survive his first lynching, the only effective way to eliminate him is to kill him at night. Pisuf is probably a greater threat to you than the entire rest of the settlers combined. For this reason, you should dispose of him tonight, so that you can then return to killing Settlers in peace from there on out. After all, not only can you not lynch Pisuf, he will surely start killing immediately now that he has been exposed. He may eliminate you through sheer luck.
For these reasons, Sorcerer, I highly recommend that you kill CountArach.
Who, what, when, where? What just happened? Someone has the ability to mess with the lynches? And CA is Pisuf? If his goal is to kill everyone, why has he only killed Sasaki so far? It all seems very wierd.
lynch count arach :bow:
nvm
orders please
By the way I feel so left out of this townie network. The usurpers have let me watch their party so I demand the pro town networks bring me up to speed! :laugh4:
Because he was biding his time waiting. If he was going to side with Vode, he needed to find them first. If he was going to go solo (which he has apparently done) he had to kill off as much of the competition as he could. His only mandatory goal was to kill me, as my role was essentially an atheist. I was a pure detective with no other side goals at all, but apparently the Gods don't like people who don't believe in them. I wouldn't be surprised if other God-related roles also had my death as a side objective.
I didn't have much of a choice in this whole thing. CountArach contacted me on the very first day phase and told me exactly who I was and what I could do. I saw no point in worrying about him killing me, since I had no way to retaliate and couldn't stop him even if I wanted to. So, I worked with him up until the point at which he finally cut my throat.
Also, if there are any roles out there that can block or otherwise hinder someone else's night actions, targeting CountArach would be extremely helpful. :bow:
So we should lynch CA tomorrow... CA anything to say about this ?
I think we will have to lynch him since I believe we have lost our pro town nk roles.
What an utterly glorious game -- squirrely in nintenn directions at once. I am having fun.
So you are claiming a detective type role.
Well, there were 4 nights, you gave 2 results (CA doesn't count because he contacted you). Which would the other two be?
Actually, I only told you one of my results, not two. As I stated, the Andres result came from another person, not me.
My investigations:
N1 - Sasaki - Guilty
N2 - GH - Innocent
N3 - FactionHeir - Innocent
N4 - Living Person Who Will Not Be Named Unless They Are About To Be Lynched - Innocent
I also have knowledge of several other investigation results for other living people. They are all innocent so I will similarly withhold that information until it is needed, for the protection of those people.
Somehow I don't think TinCow is telling the truth when he says he has no side goals :book:
I would advise the town to focus on lynching usurpers...
Yeh. Good one TC. I don't believe a word of it. Somehow CA killed as Pisuf on the night he was blocked. Thanks for that wonderful tid-bit. :laugh4:
Who says getting drunk is a role block? Oh, that's right... I did. I wonder why I said that? Could it have been to protect CA from being IDed as Pisuf?
Oh, this will be a classic for sure.
I just finished reading this thread and I must be honest with you, I am completely dumbfounded. I don't know what to say or who to suspect. Two great manipulators have possisioned themselves as directors of the town's effort. Sasaki and TinCow can't be trusted. Even if it is most likely that only one of them are lying through his teeth.
Am I the only one worried about there not being any good men in the lynched list? (I am not helping to change this, I know)
Has anone tried to figure out what the quoted text in our role PMs signifies?
I am on a cellphone, so I might be only on sporadically through this week. At least during work hours.
Nice to see you Sigurd :)
Urg - so sorry to have been only sporadically online for the weekend - I only had time to read up on the fact that I've been killed for the second time in ATPG's Psycho mafia :skull::skull:.
If I'd had a chance to catch up on this thread I would have certainly tried to save TinCow over Ichigo any day and my vote would have made it a tie at least. Ach sorry TinCow - I haven't thought of you as scummy throughout the thread. I'd like to hear from CountArach obviously in response to TinCow's accusation. If the mafia don't kill him then I see no reason why we shouldn't lynch him - twice if needs be!
I was happy to vote for Andres when he 'confessed' to a SK role and I'd be happy to vote for CountArach too unless there is a persuasive response to the charges against him.
Even if it was a role block, it obviously didn't work because CA killed Sasaki. That's a fact. If you don't believe me after everything I've disclosed, there's not much else I can say to convince you. I've given you more than enough evidence to do what's necessary to save yourselves. If you choose not to act on that, you'll realize your error soon enough.
Still no response from CA, i suspect the next day or two could be very intresting...
Tell me TC, does CA have (in a way) 2 lives ?
So 2 lynches, or 1 lynch and a night kill or 2 night kills ?
Or does the 2 thing only count for lynches