That was a North Bank killer. If you had failed to bring along the Mountain Gun/Mortar/Flamethrower, then people would have died because of the guards in the bridge.
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That was a North Bank killer. If you had failed to bring along the Mountain Gun/Mortar/Flamethrower, then people would have died because of the guards in the bridge.
A quick answer, as I am stepping out to do job applications and won't be back until late tonight.
This was meant to prompt any guilty parties into being forced to murder. If we had an investigator among us, inaction would have been a death sentence for them.
Nothing happens, and Subotan informs us we cannot do "no lynch" anymore.
Here, we decided if we cannot do "no lynch", we should lynch someone who was utterly useless to us. Sort of the same as a "no lynch", just taking advantage of Subotan's extremely slow WOG process to buy us more time.Quote:
Second day, wog-bait lynch (M3YUZ).
To be honest I hadn't read your case at all. I wasn't even thinking about what the south bank people had suggested as suspects, I was too focused on our thread. It is sheer coincidence that I thought Romanic was scummy, and that was based upon just his own behavior in that thread alone, and a conversation I had with him when he was under pressure. Edit: And yes, autolycus made the call and I endorsed it.Quote:
Third day, lynch of Romanic. All basically encouraged by Pizzaguy, as there was little participation otherwise. (Why such a dramatically different tactic every single day, Pizza? You said something to Romanic about needing to lynch suspects, but Romanic was my own top suspect at the time of the split; I'd made a huge case against him -- why wait three days to even try to lynch him or any other non-WOG-bait suspect?)
Why I waited that long to suggest a suspect lynch, was because Autolycus was put with our group, and we needed manpower to protect him. If we lynched an active party every day, by the end there wouldn't have been enough people sending in protection orders. He would have been exposed and possibly murdered if we had guessed wrong. Here, we lynched a suspect, and Autolycus is still alive. By the way, iirc none of the protections on Autolycus even functioned. They always had a bad combination of orders (landlubber), people not sending orders (Romanic) or inactive people (AVSM, AVSM, and AVSM). I suggested we get someone besides AVSM to protect Auto, but it never happened. It is out of sheer dumb luck that he is even still alive.
Be back in about 6 hours.
Vote: ATPG
If there was ever a counter-revolutionary behaviour in a Triad game, it is ATPG's behaviour in this game. I've been wanting to vote and lynch him ever since we got separated and I started reading his posts.
You mean post 60? ATPG was already after Romanic by then, though without a vote attached. I don't like his case, and this is coming from someone who had Romanic as a top suspect herself, so you know I'm not just saying this for my health. Those chat transcripts and the attached commentary read like a railroading.
(I dislike no-lynches; I think they're usually bad for the good guys and I'm not convinced this case is different. You could have put the bad guy or bad guys over there under serious pressure even if you ultimately swung things to the no-shows, but until the last day with Romanic, you didn't.)
Edit: this in reply to Autolycus; computer's hanging.
Kind of an out-of-character question, but since we're now done with the North Bank thread, how would you all feel about me merging it with this thread? If I remember things correctly, the posts would mesh seamlessly so there isn't a clump of North Bank posts at the end, rather, say, a post made at 12:01 in the North Bank thread would now be between two posts made at 12:00 and 12:02 on the main thread.
All right, I've been bashing my head on this one for the last ten minutes and I still don't see the logic.
Bad guys present, suspect an investigator: might logically either lie low hoping for safety in numbers or start killing indiscriminately hoping to mess up the protections; a no lynch only encourages continuation of whichever choice has already been made, I don't see how it causes them to switch.
Bad guys present, don't suspect an investigator: kill kill kill? I don't know honestly, but I don't see that a no-lynch does anything either.
Regardless of all of that, why is it a good thing to encourage the bad guys to kill?
Same thing then. How does this accomplish what you're trying to accomplish, and why is it a good thing if it does?Quote:
Nothing happens, and Subotan informs us we cannot do "no lynch" anymore.
Here, we decided if we cannot do "no lynch", we should lynch someone who was utterly useless to us. Sort of the same as a "no lynch", just taking advantage of Subotan's extremely slow WOG process to buy us more time.
All right. I can hardly argue with you finding Romanic suspicious, but the manner in which you pursued your case (and more so the justifications for it) is making my skin itch. That whole "I'll be your vote" thing -- geez Pizza, you should know by now that townies don't always jump at your crazy ideas. We're too busy trying to figure out what's in it for you. The other things mostly weren't much better: with 23 minutes left before end of day, what the heck else is Romanic supposed to say if he's a townie besides "your scumdar needs fixing"? More scummy to me is his utter lack of any suspicion towards you in that conversation. Why do you focus on side issues and miss most of the big things?Quote:
To be honest I hadn't read your case at all. I wasn't even thinking about what the south bank people had suggested as suspects, I was too focused on our thread. It is sheer coincidence that I thought Romanic was scummy, and that was based upon just his own behavior in that thread alone, and a conversation I had with him when he was under pressure. Edit: And yes, autolycus made the call and I endorsed it.
The Karl Marx quote, by the way, is the default townie one, and there's a sample floating around somewhere. It's obvious you don't realize that, for whatever that means. Which could well be why Romanic laughed. Or because he really did have that as a starting PM, if he's a recruit.
That doesn't explain the no-lynch, which along with what seemed like a conspicuous avoidance of lynching AVSM, is more and more the crux of my issue with you -- the conversation with Romanic is reading more as "typical Pizza" the more I go over it, which doesn't make it any less aggravating.Quote:
Why I waited that long to suggest a suspect lynch, was because Autolycus was put with our group, and we needed manpower to protect him. If we lynched an active party every day, by the end there wouldn't have been enough people sending in protection orders.
This is interesting. AVSM in Autolycus' protection group, every night? What possible justification could there be for that and whose idea was it? And who knew?Quote:
He would have been exposed and possibly murdered if we had guessed wrong. Here, we lynched a suspect, and Autolycus is still alive. By the way, iirc none of the protections on Autolycus even functioned. They always had a bad combination of orders (landlubber), people not sending orders (Romanic) or inactive people (AVSM, AVSM, and AVSM). I suggested we get someone besides AVSM to protect Auto, but it never happened. It is out of sheer dumb luck that he is even still alive.
They're better separate.
I just got through explaining this to someone on CFC. Only girls can use that smiley!
It's genuinely creepy if a guy does it.
ATPG, before the group split up, what did you do at night?
I'd also like landlubber to answer that question.
I was thinking my killer may have been one of the two people I accused of being suspicious, Nictel, or ATPG. I was part of the protection group, so the killer may have been aiming to disrupt that. But it would be kinda stupid of them to kill me right after I accuse them, so I'm thinking they may have been framed...
Nope, though I would very much prefer it if the lynch option was someone from the North Bank.
I agree that the whole North Bank is under suspicion, ATPG took a very active role, I've seen him do so both as innocent and mafia. So unsure of what to think of it, still very suspicious though. However I feel that landlubber tried to hide while in/on the north bank. Starting with asking others what to do:
Followed by a post of not wanting to decrease the possible candidates or wanting to seem that the whole group is innocent?:
Still he goes on voting for M3YUZ and AVSM but only AFTER several other people have done so, as if not wanting to draw attention to him.
I feel that he tried to hide and as such vote: landlubber
Why the focus on the North Bank? Afaik the only enemy activity we've seen in the last 3 days was Yaseikhaan being killed by a Japanese Officer, on the south bank. Granted that our enemies could have been laying low on either side, but we know that at least one of the South Bank members is a Japanese Officer.
We don't believe that the North Bank killer is a Jappo. The text implies he was KMT..."biding time." If GH is saying no on the Jooray/YLC choice, you can be reasonably sure that the investigations are afoot.
ATPG: Were you on an ulterior agenda or was you penchant for "running the show" driving you to do something....
We know for sure there was a killer on the North Bank, and there are only 8 people to choose from. Seems like a pretty good place to start.
Having played with him in past games, I think landlubber has a tendency to follow others, even when innocent. If it helps any, he was part of the protection group.
Nictel, you also weren't very active on the north side.
I was killed by a KMT. It was someone from the North Bank group.
Hah, I missed that one it seems. Thanks for pointing that out.
Then we have at least a Japanese Officer on the South Bank, and a KMT member on the North Bank (unless the Japanese Officer was Joooray who was lynched on Day 10, after the last South Bank murder on Night 9).
KMT member (5) : ATPG, autolycus, landlubber, Nictel, Split.
Japanese Officer (10): ACIN, Blackadder, Cute Wolf, DiY, Double A, GH, Jolt, Renata, Seamus, Sigurd.
Now I do agree that we should look for the KMT member on the North Bank, as there's only 5 of them left.
The obvious vote for north bank would either be Nictel (hiding in inactivity) or ATPG (hiding in a very pro-town way, not something ATPG wouldn't do)
to question autolycus at this point would be to question GH, and I don't believe that will accomplish anything now.
Landlubber I am unsure about, he's more active than me, but less than ATPG... :shrug:
Lovely roleplaying, and yet, no substance.
That didn't stop you from voting before.... and for actual suspects, either.
Jolt seems to think he is the best lynch. Until....
Other people vote for him. In which case, oh no.... bad idea.
Certainly good at voting for himself, quoting party propaganda, and following.
That, plus his vote for me, frustrates my nostrils.
Vote: Jolt
I read this, and as much as I'd like to respond point by point, most of the issue above ^ here is that we view things differently. I am not sure I could convince you my way is better, especially because it's not, by rule, better. Whichever method is better depends entirely on the results; if a traitor is caught by such a method. A lot of what I do is often throwing stuff at the wall until it sticks; not much of it is necessarily well-constructed or thought out completely. I am trading on whatever rep I have in the hopes that any pressure I put on someone, whether it is at all reasonable, acts just as good as a serious case. When lacking proper evidence, I can still point the finger of suspicion and put the vote of death on someone. If I just keep talking it might eventually sound like I know what I'm talking about. Or perhaps I just exhaust my opponent. Whatever gets the job done. If the person in question is guilty, then what I am saying doesn't matter as much as the fact that I am saying it, and I won't shut up about them being suspect and needing to be lynched. Whether it's an ironclad case or not, it is still a pain in the buttocks and potentially deadly.
In Matrix-like fashion, I declare that there is no spoon. I could recite poetry as my case, it could be bad poetry, and as long as I am voting for the correct person, it still works. However, whenever possible I do try to reveal my thought process and/or any evidence.
:laugh4: Don't read it! You'll give yourself a headache.Quote:
That doesn't explain the no-lynch, which along with what seemed like a conspicuous avoidance of lynching AVSM, is more and more the crux of my issue with you -- the conversation with Romanic is reading more as "typical Pizza" the more I go over it, which doesn't make it any less aggravating.
I complained about it, but it was Autolycus' call. It's his life to risk. but I advocated putting 4+ people in the group on him right away. What irritates me is that AVSM even posted once in that thread, which said something along the lines of "I always show up to avoid the WOG", after I expressed faux surprise and alarm that he hadn't posted or voted.Quote:
This is interesting. AVSM in Autolycus' protection group, every night? What possible justification could there be for that and whose idea was it? And who knew?
If it helps, here's a status on the KMT as seen by me:
Night 2: One of us was successfully converted by a KMT Officer.
Night 4: Psychonaut is killed by the Japanese and revealed later as a KMT agent.
Night 5: One of us was successfully converted by a KMT Officer.
Day 6: Pinman is lynched and revealed later as a KMT convert.
Night 6: Failed conversion attempt on DiY.
Day 7: TheFlax is lynched and revealed later as a KMT convert.
Night 7: One of us was successfully converted by the KMT (unclear if it's an officer).
3 convertions, and 2 converts killed, so there's one left. We also know there's at least an officer around because N5 shows a conversion by an officer so it couldn't have been Psychonaut.
So, 2+ KMT members to find: One officer and one convert, maybe more. (unless of course they were killed after Day 8 -> corpse investigation will reveal later if we got one from: M3YUZ, miotas, khaan, Joooray and WEW.)
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As for the Japanese, we don't know much because they're not converting us. YLC was a Japanese soldier, and we know there's at least one Japanese Officer doing a lot of killing.
Actually, I have better.
I pointed out to Split that this entire post says absolutely nothing; and that his accusations have been against everyone in the North bank, besides himself. He says "I know, it's annoying". I ask him why, and he says because he was waiting for someone to call him out on this.... if he were guilty he'd just be given a free pass to do nothing and say nothing and accuse everyone, which is the same as accusing no one. So I am only too happy to oblige.
Splitpersonality, I hereby accuse you...
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Jolt is a confirmed innocent and an officer. He should not be receiving any votes.
I could point out that I only hide in inactivity when I'm a vanilla townie, or neutral as in the star fox game. The moment I became a bit more active there I immediately was lynched so pardon me for not doing so here.
Very well.... I was hoping I would not have to unleash this baby, but I've been given no other alternative.
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Size 4 text! I rest my case. :smash:
unvote, vote: landlubber
vote: AtPG
That should tie it up. Whose is the next move?
The current situation is fairly odd.
ATPG currently strikes me as trying too hard to die, he's doing things that ordinarily would get him lynched. I have no idea on any possible motives other than a possible desire to have fun before his participation in games might suddenly drop to zero.
Yet, he also mentioned "feel free to lynch him as he might not be around soon anyway".
Then again, landlubber presents a plausible suspect. Furthermore, GH stated that he would prefer if today's lynch was someone from the North Bank, IMO probably because that since there was a KMT/Jap guy who killed WEW from the North Side, probability of hitting an imperialist/nationalist is actually pretty good as opposed to ATPG who clearly has some sort of suicidal wish.
(OTOH, ATPG is anything but the norm, so the scenario at hand is as mentioned, fairly odd)
I will:
Vote: landlubber
Query: Is the current plan to retain a tie? If so, I will unvote and leave it to the officers/chairman's discretion.
vote : Renata so I'm not got eaten by rats or engulfed by flames
--> now back to my modding works....
Hmm, after reading the north side's thread, I note that ATPG's behavior seemed slightly askew.
The whole nature of the MSN Convo fiasco further complicates my decision.
Clarification on whether the preferred choice of lynch is either ATPG/landlubber, or whether the chairman/officers would like to retain a tie, please.
Edit:Of all the possible votes... you chose Renata? :inquisitive:Quote:
vote : Renata so I'm not got eaten by rats or engulfed by flames
--> now back to my modding works....
I believe the preference of my colleagues for today is vote:landlubber.
Pizza has very clearly and finally lost it. And I bet it's my fault, too.
Maybe something's been triggered that makes him a joker?
Clearly ATPG is KMT... it is obvious for all to see.
Just look at his wall of texts and specially his size 4 text.
Do we really need more evidence?
vote: ATPG
Well, it's too late in the phase for me to turn this lynch around. I would try to put up a defense, but I'm tired, so I'll just let my lynch go forward.
Congrats. You just lynched a Maoist.
You still have another 2 and a half hours.
Vote: Comrade askthepizzaguy because I do not think he's so much of a comrade....
ATTENTION EVERYONE:
I realize this is late in the round, but I only just now got the investigation results back. This has been done via an independent source. Renata is Japanese and has created a minor infiltration into the Officer Corps.
This is going to be problematic as the last few investigations have been tainted. First things first though, let's lynch us a Jap.
Damn convenient timing, GH.
Ok Unvote: Vote: Renata
From ACIN:
ACIN has always CC'd me on our shared investigation (I get the weapons susceptibility; he gets the rest), but not this time. What's your "outside source", ACIN? I don't think there is one; I think you made this up yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name
I've been holding this in for weeks, because there is no way it's going to stick until everyone has been investigated by ACIN who possibly can be, and that's only a couple of days away, but it'll be too late for me. Look at ACIN's behavior around the Pinman lynch. He's waffling all over the damn place. I can't believe that's been ignored on the word of one unaccountable investigator. Tell me if I'm right on this -- the person who investigated ACIN is the same person as killed JHT and Winston, right? JHT's opposite number? Because there was that one day delay between it becoming entirely obvious that JHT was the target of Winston's killer and that player actually killing JHT -- why the delay? An investigation of your otherwise unaccountable Cop, before the investigation power was taken away by JHT's death. Only JHT himself said he did not believe his investigations could tell the difference between Communists, KMT, and Japanese.
And now I get falsely accused only an hour before the end of the day. Why NOW? It might not even work!
Nope, different investigator.
For me, for ACIN, or both?
GH, I am not Japanese.
Put down your katana when you say that, it's much more convincing that way.
At least you have a sense of humor about it.
Deadline reached. Commencing write-up. (It will be soon, I promise)
The Revolutionaries had been exchanging weird tales of their separation, such as how YLC had jumped to his death, Joooray's electrocution and what possessed the North Bankers to lynch two people. But the action on Wenti Bridge proved that there was at least two Counter-Revolutionaries amongst the North, and so two candidates quickly emerged as the Socialist's suspects. askthepizzaguy, the foundling, was one of the candidates, his crazy manner and loud, accusative stance unnerving and frightening certain Marxists. The other was landlubber, the primary receiver of ATPG's long, complex and borderline bonkers ramblings, which involved references to a Princesses, Tropes and Paleoconservatism. The running was tight, although the accusations of Extreme-Reactionary thought began to tip the scales in favour of landlubber's execution. Like many of the other lynchees, landlubber was resigned to his fate.
" Well, it's too late in the day for me to turn this lynch around. I would try to put up a defense, but I'm tired, so I'll just let my lynch go forward.
Congrats. You just lynched a Maoist. Boo hoo, sniff sniff."
The new Special Operative, Seamus Fermanagh, drew his pistol, checked it was loaded, and aimed it at the blubbering landlubber's chest. He pulled the trigger-
And nothing happened, as he'd left the safety on. Tutting, Seamus reached around and flicked the slip, before returning to aim and
"STOP!" screamed GeneralHankerchief. "I have a note which PROVES that our Deputy, Renata, is in fact, an Imperialist, Reactionary, Bourgeoisie JAPPO!"
Renata, who had been sipping from his flask, choked on his rice wine, breaking out into a coughing fit. autolycus, now formly back at his Chairman's side caught the new development instantaneously, switching his vote to Renata. As he did so, the last sliver of sunlight slunk down behind the mountains, effectively ending the day, for the Revolutionaries lacked a mechanical watch. The new tally of votes drastically changed the lynch, causing a tie to lock ATPG and landlubber in mortal embrace. Seamus tutted again, and put his pistol away with as disappointment kneaded his face.
As there is a tie, the phase shall be extended for 24 hours. It is not the night phase., The Officers will decide amongst themselves who to lynch out of the top two candidates. The Captain will not be allowed a vote unless there is a tie between the four Officers. If there is another tie, then he shal cast the deciding vote. The Officers may choose to do this public or in private, but their Quicktopic is recommended.
ATPG: 4 - Jolt, Cute Wolf, Sigurd, Seamus
Landlubber: 4 - Nictel, ATPG, DiY, Renata
Renata: 1 - autolycus
And before anyone asks, that tally is One Hundred Percent Accurate.
I did send the PM. I got the info. And I sent the info to GH. Ask Subo for yourself, I did send the PM of a combined investigation with you.
You are just putting together random pieces of info to make a story which is false. Can I ask you something Renata? How does it feel that I used you as my deputy to narrow down the list of subjects for your Japanese friends? You should have denied the position, unless you thought just being my deputy was going to make you safe from investigation you should have known that eventually you would be helping in digging your friends graves.
You should have quit while you were ahead, ACIN. I'll never believe you're town, whether you're the one who's framing me or not.
With 3 officer votes on me to none, the outcome of this strange "tie" seems obvious.
I encourage you to pursue the other survivors of the North Bank.
It's 2-0 in the officer's club right now. I suppose all four have to vote to make it official.
I'm not too convinced as well that Renata is guilty... She has been pretty good at digging information and has been aiding the town's effort.
ATPG on the other hand has been doing nothing of the sort.
Btw, it looks like a 2-2 tie to me. Just saying. Idk, where everyone is pulling these numbers (except GH) out of.
If this wasn't clear to everyone. Renata's investigation was not done by me.
Lynch Nictel!!! He hides in inactivity as a mafia all the time on CFC. He's lying big time here!
Plus, er, I don't know how anyone could have missed this (even me :embarassed:) but Nictel has registered ONE lynch vote so far, after 11 days. How can he still be alive?
Let's just say he won't have any opportunities to miss it again :whip: