Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Things can change. I went eight or nine months without getting any mafia roles at all, but currently I'm almost as bad as Atheotes' reputation.
Edit: @TinCow, obviously.
01-06-2011, 15:52
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
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Originally Posted by Beskar
That is incorrect. Your reveal of Pizza guaranteed her lynch, before that, she wasn't most likely getting lynched at all. :tongue:
I find this very doubtful, she was not acting her usual self this game and the reveal of pizza mainly convinced pizza I think, since revealing pizza was always the right move for mafia.
01-06-2011, 15:57
Renata
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Yep, I'm always not my usual self when I'm mafia. Count on it.
01-06-2011, 15:58
Askthepizzaguy
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I find this very doubtful, she was not acting her usual self this game and the reveal of pizza mainly convinced pizza I think, since revealing pizza was always the right move for mafia.
It was the timing; I had JUST asked Renata to be inactive tonight while I had her scanned by a thermal scan. She said ok, and not much else. Then Tincow's reaction seemed, from my perspective, to be throwing me to the wolves for no reason in the middle of a round that had already been extended. The timing was really odd.
After reviewing my moves, I concluded that the most likely reason for all of this was that I got too close to forcing Dark Samus to be inactive at night. Either that or I had just revealed to one of TC's minions that passed it along to him in code.
If it was just really, really bad timing, goodie anyway; but that's what it looked like to me.
I tend to be suspicious of any reasonless sudden desire to kill me, no matter what excuses get thrown into the post which does it. Timing is very important; Sasaki suspecting me wasn't strange timing, he had been doing it for a while. Tincow's sudden reversal, and other people's, does not feel natural. Because it's not; changing your mind so dramatically in the middle of an extended round doesn't add up.
01-06-2011, 16:06
Renata
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Wait was that round extended? Shows how out of it I was, I didn't even realize. What IS it with my mafia fate and extended rounds lately? It is always bad news, every single time.
01-06-2011, 16:43
Ironside
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I tend to be suspicious of any reasonless sudden desire to kill me, no matter what excuses get thrown into the post which does it. Timing is very important; Sasaki suspecting me wasn't strange timing, he had been doing it for a while. Tincow's sudden reversal, and other people's, does not feel natural. Because it's not; changing your mind so dramatically in the middle of an extended round doesn't add up.
Particullary if it's mafia that does the reveal. I probably failed to get Chaotix lynched in FOTO because of that. That pursuit was mainly due to personal amusement and it showed imho.
Tincow's reveal on the other hand did feel forced, mainly due to timing.
Hard situation to get away from though, night killing ATPG or doing night WIFOM (Renata doing a night scan instead, for example) might've worked better.
Grayblades, if ATPG gets immune to lynch after achiving his objectives, this game is horribly unstable and quite unbalanced. He's supposed to be almost unkillable by night and you could have both Samus and Dark Samus dead by Day 2 if unlucky.
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Originally Posted by Renata
Wait was that round extended? Shows how out of it I was, I didn't even realize. What IS it with my mafia fate and extended rounds lately? It is always bad news, every single time.
True, indirectly costed us the game last time as well.
01-06-2011, 16:51
Greyblades
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
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Grayblades, if ATPG gets immune to lynch after achiving his objectives, this game is horribly unstable and quite unbalanced. He's supposed to be almost unkillable by night and you could have both Samus and Dark Samus dead by Day 2 if unlucky.
It seems you misunderstood. Alas no I dont believe he will become nigh invincible, I believe with samus and dark samus dead the game will end. Without samus I doubt the socking great space dragon will need to hide any longer and will destroy the olympus in one move. In short Game ends, ridley wins due to no character remains that is strong enough to beat him.
01-06-2011, 17:31
ULC
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
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Originally Posted by Greyblades
It seems you misunderstood. Alas no I dont believe he will become nigh invincible, I believe with samus and dark samus dead the game will end. Without samus I doubt the socking great space dragon will need to hide any longer and will destroy the olympus in one move. In short Game ends, ridley wins due to no character remains that is strong enough to beat him.
Obviously he didn't, because that is exactly what he meant. You two are fighting over the means when the end is exactly the same result.
01-06-2011, 17:37
Greyblades
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
What? He thought I meant Ridley would become unlynchable until the game ends if samus dies whereas I'm saying he'll win the game if it happens.
As for the ends I'm pretty sure game over is a different end to having pizza taunting us for the rest of the game... Actually that sounds scarier than game over.
01-06-2011, 18:13
Ironside
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
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Originally Posted by Greyblades
What? He thought I meant Ridley would become unlynchable until the game ends if samus dies whereas I'm saying he'll win the game if it happens.
As for the ends I'm pretty sure game over is a different end to having pizza taunting us for the rest of the game... Actually that sounds scarier than game over.
They are in principle the same. If he's unkillable, you might as well end the game. Giving an extreme penalty for lucky and/or good townie play.
01-06-2011, 18:17
Greyblades
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Still, it's a worrying thought.
01-06-2011, 18:57
ULC
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
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Originally Posted by Greyblades
Still, it's a worrying thought.
No, it's not, because it's not in you're power to change that. As town, you must eliminate the mafia, which are Samus and Dark Samus. These are also ATPG's victory conditions. Ergo, to win you have to fullfill ATPG's VC. Which by your logic, means the town would have never been able to win in the first place.
01-06-2011, 19:11
Greyblades
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
...Are you being serious? Firstly its a theory that's all. Secondly no its not impossible to win; all they would have to do is kill pizza before killing samus. Thirdly yeah its in my power, The fact that your even disputing this means your actually listening to me so I'm making at least some impact on the game, also I'm on the replacement list and there have been afew people inactive so its likely I'll be back in the game in a turn or two. Next time you want to tell me what I can and cant do; think about it first.
01-06-2011, 19:14
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
@All
Anyone else received the pizzaguy blackmail treatment tonight?
@Beskar
Do you really want to do this publicly?
01-06-2011, 20:06
ByzantineKnight
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Not that I want Pizza alive by any means but these stuck out to me as the weirdest/scummiest reasons for wanting him dead
01-06-2011, 20:08
Greyblades
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
:inquisitive: Hi. I'm a dead townie. How are you?
And I dont particlarly want Pizza dead.
01-06-2011, 20:16
ByzantineKnight
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
:inquisitive: Hi. I'm a dead townie. How are you?
And I dont particlarly want Pizza dead.
oh :shame: my mistake...
I've been working the past few days and havn't been able to keep as close an eye on the game as I wish I could have which is also why I didn't vote the round before last
but I am actually doing quite well, thanks for asking!
01-06-2011, 20:35
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
Not that I want Pizza alive by any means but these stuck out to me as the weirdest/scummiest reasons for wanting him dead
Care to elaborate on that?
01-06-2011, 20:37
ULC
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
...Are you being serious? Firstly its a theory that's all. Secondly no its not impossible to win; all they would have to do is kill pizza before killing samus. Thirdly yeah its in my power, The fact that your even disputing this means your actually listening to me so I'm making at least some impact on the game, also I'm on the replacement list and there have been afew people inactive so its likely I'll be back in the game in a turn or two. Next time you want to tell me what I can and cant do; think about it first.
I'm sorry but what? I wasn't specifically talking about you, but okay, here we go...
Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.
You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.
01-06-2011, 20:41
Greyblades
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
oh :shame: my mistake...
I've been working the past few days and havn't been able to keep as close an eye on the game as I wish I could have which is also why I didn't vote the round before last
but I am actually doing quite well, thanks for asking!
Great to hear, small update; pizza is claiming to be ridley and is supposedly a serial killer role that needs to kill 2 people .
01-06-2011, 20:50
ByzantineKnight
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Care to elaborate on that?
The post I quoted but also the posts leading up to it, they were random and erratic, it just struck the wrong chord...
Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.
You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.
EDIT:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Great to hear, small update; pizza is claiming to be ridley and is supposedly a serial killer role that needs to kill 2 people .
Oh, I definitely caught that part :laugh4: but who wants him dead more than Samus's team right now?
Interesting, I was just reading the mafia quicktopic from Star Wars (posts 62-65)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth Aggony
And please stop using they when talking about the town, it sounds like you're not a part of it...
This one will kill you if they get a case on you later on. I think editing that one away the next day, when this part is old is best. The late editing time is a sure scummy sign, but the "they" is more obvious and almost as strong. Didn't notice it without the extra pointing out by ATPG, so there's hope that it will go unnoticed for now.
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Mmm.
I'll refrain from making such comments (neutrality after all) but that was one example where I couldn't help but giggle.
I'm notorious for picking on a certain aspect of that post, in any game where I see that aspect from any post. But if you don't know what it is, and they don't know what it is, and no one has mentioned it, you're fine.
Just a thought
01-06-2011, 21:03
Greyblades
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
I'm sorry but what? I wasn't specifically talking about you, but okay, here we go...
Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.
You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.
All I have been saying has been under the assumption that my theory is correct, I do not think that it is the only possible outcome nor even the most likely. Yet you seem to be under the impression that I believe my theory is infallible and the truth. In this case I reitorate what I said earlier: "it's a worrying thought." Thats all it was; a thought, a "what if he doesnt turn out to be telling the complete truth, what if he's lying?", A lie which, if so, you by the way seem to be swallowing hook line and sinker.
Oh and as for myself I am a dead townie. I cant be thought of as untrustworthy because it is fully proven that I am a town. I will admit I might not be helpful, I damn well am not infallible but trustworthy enough to not intentionally hinder the town? Call me arrogant but I think I have reason to claim that at least.
My response to the logic part will come in a minute, I have to calm down.
Edit: Ok, happy thoughts, happy thoughts.
You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus,
I never said that it was a good theory but is it realy unreasonable for the town to get the psychopath before the mafia? Besides I might be wrong, maybe ridley would just fly off not thinking the town is worth the effort of killing, maybe he toys with the crew, I just thought killing you all seemed like the most likely.
whom the town knows are the antagonists
True.
and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them.
In a rubicon style game its less likely, we're considering not killing a self confessed SK aren't we?
So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic.
All they had to do was kill one guy before finishing the game to win. Shouldnt be that hard with all the night kills flying around. Heck we havent even got proof that atpg wasn't bluffing about being NK immune.
Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider?
No, I have encountered joker roles being issued by veteran hosts, such a role isnt inpossible.
01-06-2011, 21:07
Renata
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
@All
Anyone else received the pizzaguy blackmail treatment tonight?
@Beskar
Do you really want to do this publicly?
Please do. Some of us need the entertainment, whatever it is.
01-06-2011, 21:10
TinCow
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
ATPG, some day you're going to have to explain to me how you always get so many people to believe your ridiculous role claims.
01-06-2011, 21:11
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
The post I quoted but also the posts leading up to it, they were random and erratic, it just struck the wrong chord...
Please explain how my posts were random and erratic.
01-06-2011, 21:14
Renata
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
ATPG, some day you're going to have to explain to me how you always get so many people to believe your ridiculous role claims.
I think he just talks so much that it all blurs together and people figure if they just nod and say "OK Pizza" it'll all go away.
01-06-2011, 21:16
ByzantineKnight
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Please explain how my posts were random and erratic.
You voted different people without sticking to one for too long and never gave a really good reason
01-06-2011, 21:27
Greyblades
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Ugh, why do I always get too involved in games I have little inportance in? I'm dead and I'm coming up with conspiricy theory level ideas and making small disagreements ridiculously overblown .
Quote:
Please do. Some of us need the entertainment, whatever it is.
What you dont think me throwing poop around the monkey cage is good entertainment?
01-06-2011, 21:29
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
You voted different people without sticking to one for too long and never gave a really good reason
Huh? What better reasons did most other people give? As I recall, several people gave no reason at all...
And since when is it a mark of scumminess to change your mind when you happen on a better argument?
01-06-2011, 21:34
ByzantineKnight
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Huh? What better reasons did most other people give? As I recall, several people gave no reason at all...
And since when is it a mark of scumminess to change your mind when you happen on a better argument?
a better argument sure, but not one thats just as odd
I don't have anything concrete obviously, I'm just saying your posts rubbed me the wrong way, thats all
01-06-2011, 21:35
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
I think he just talks so much that it all blurs together and people figure if they just nod and say "OK Pizza" it'll all go away.
Plus he makes you feel like you're being mean to him when you act skeptical.
01-06-2011, 21:43
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
a better argument sure, but not one thats just as odd
Please explain how my argument was odd.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
I don't have anything concrete obviously, I'm just saying your posts rubbed me the wrong way, thats all
I feel the same about yours here, especially in the context of your general 'keep a low profile' approach to the game.
I count two posts before tonight: a first day nonsense-vote on Beskar, and an explanation-free vote on Jarema yesterday.
01-06-2011, 21:46
ByzantineKnight
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Please explain how my argument was odd.
I feel the same about yours here, especially in the context of your general 'keep a low profile' approach to the game.
I count two posts before tonight: a first day nonsense-vote on Beskar, and an explanation-free vote on Jarema yesterday.
I voted for Jarema because he was right above me when I voted and he didn't have any votes on him. I hadn't paid enough attention to the game to justify voting for one of the top candidates at that point. As I explained to greyblades, I haven't been able to keep up with the game up till now.
01-06-2011, 21:52
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
I voted for Jarema because he was right above me when I voted and he didn't have any votes on him. I hadn't paid enough attention to the game to justify voting for one of the top candidates at that point. As I explained to greyblades, I haven't been able to keep up with the game up till now.
Well, now you've decided to get involved, how's about answering my question, and explaining what exactly was odd about my posts?
And, while you're at it, it'd be interesting to hear what Jarema and Greyblades did to provoke your FoSing them...
01-06-2011, 21:57
thefluffyone93
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Unless I missed something due to me playing Black Ops,
don't we still have a certain pokemon running around?
01-06-2011, 21:58
ByzantineKnight
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Well, now you've decided to get involved, how's about answering my question, and explaining what exactly was odd about my posts?
And, while you're at it, it'd be interesting to hear what Jarema and Greyblades did to provoke your FoSing them...
I did, I found them odd and erratic, they rubbed me the wrong way. that is it
The see the original post, I had a link to the posts if you hover over their names. I thought they were trying a little too hard/obviously to get rid of pizza
01-06-2011, 22:03
Jarema
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
. I thought they were trying a little too hard/obviously to get rid of pizza
I must confess that ATPG is the player that I am affraid of the most. No-one is so frightful to me as he is. So, when it turns out that he is a SK of a sort, I just shiver
01-06-2011, 22:09
ULC
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight
The post I quoted but also the posts leading up to it, they were random and erratic, it just struck the wrong chord...
EDIT:
Oh, I definitely caught that part :laugh4: but who wants him dead more than Samus's team right now?
Interesting, I was just reading the mafia quicktopic from Star Wars (posts 62-65)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Just a thought
I was never really part of the town, I was as survivalist, a mafia recruit waiting to happen. You can thank the very mafia which could have recruited, for killing me. At this point I am simply disinterested in whom wins - I play for fun so when the game becomes empty of fun, so does my care cup. I am only stating what I know, information to be used by anyone, and limited by what the host will let me do.
If you want to accuse a dead townie survivalist of being mafia next time, I suggest you pay attention to how I actually play as a mafioso.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
All I have been saying has been under the assumption that my theory is correct, I do not think that it is the only possible outcome nor even the most likely. Yet you seem to be under the impression that I believe my theory is infallible and the truth. In this case I reitorate what I said earlier: "it's a worrying thought." Thats all it was; a thought, a "what if he doesnt turn out to be telling the complete truth, what if he's lying?", A lie which, if so, you by the way seem to be swallowing hook line and sinker.
Oh and as for myself I am a dead townie. I cant be thought of as untrustworthy because it is fully proven that I am a town. I will admit I might not be helpful, I damn well am not infallible but trustworthy enough to not intentionally hinder the town? Call me arrogant but I think I have reason to claim that at least.
My response to the logic part will come in a minute, I have to calm down.
Edit: Ok, happy thoughts, happy thoughts.
You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus,
I never said that it was a good theory but is it realy unreasonable for the town to get the psychopath before the mafia? Besides I might be wrong, maybe ridley would just fly off not thinking the town is worth the effort of killing, maybe he toys with the crew, I just thought killing you all seemed like the most likely.
whom the town knows are the antagonists
True.
and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them.
In a rubicon style game its less likely, we're considering not killing a self confessed SK aren't we?
So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic.
All they had to do was kill one guy before finishing the game to win. Shouldnt be that hard with all the night kills flying around. Heck we havent even got proof that atpg wasn't bluffing about being NK immune.
Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider?
No, I have encountered joker roles being issued by veteran hosts, such a role isnt inpossible.
You're still not getting the point of what I am trying to tell you. Do you know it's useless to theorize about the forging techniques used in the construction of an executioner's axe as it barrels it's way through spine on it's way to your throat and out the other side? Do you know it is equally pointless to ruminate on things that you were doomed on the outset from and that you have no control over? Why worry yourself about things you cannot control? It's pointless, go use your brain power elsewhere more constructive.
Also, untrustworthy is subjective - do I trust a fool with construction equipment? No, he could kill himself, despite the best of intentions. Likewise, just because a townie is innocent doesn't mean everything he say's is trustworthy, or what help he would offer is either.
01-06-2011, 22:24
Greyblades
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
What a charming, yet confusing, metaphor, couldnt you just ask "why are you concerned seeing as its not your problem"?, and by the way I'm concerned because I'm going to be chucked into the middle of it again in a turn. Oh and the reason I'm dwelling on my "doom"? I'm debating whether or not to keep pizza around now I know he's ridley, last thing I need is getting screwed out of a victory by helping the SK. The theory was just an idea I had on why a serial killer would only want to kill 2 people.
01-06-2011, 22:29
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
This has to be one of the weirder situations I've experienced in mafia. I've been told in advance that I'm going to be murdered by an SK who is known to everyone, but who still won't be lynched even when I turn up innocent. And my only alternative is to reveal my identity to somebody about whom I have a rather serious suspicion, and who seems to be hiding from me to avoid explaining himself.
Time's running out, Beskar...
01-06-2011, 22:38
Yaropolk
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
You could always do a public reveal, although it's not the best idea if you're of any value to the town.
01-06-2011, 22:53
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaropolk
You could always do a public reveal, although it's not the best idea if you're of any value to the town.
If a public reveal is what people want, then they should let me live long enough to face a lynch vote. I'm not letting Beskar off the hook for this.
01-06-2011, 23:19
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Pizza shouldn't be killing based on private discussion. End of story.
01-06-2011, 23:33
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Pizza shouldn't be killing based on private discussion. End of story.
Indeed.
By the way, you'll recall a PM I sent you early on in the game. I already knew the answer to that question, misleading as it was.
01-07-2011, 00:11
Beskar
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Winston, get over yourself.
This is the sum of it. Winston is fishing for information which I am refusing to give to him for obvious reasons. He is doing the lamest attempt of "full reveal all to me now or I will expose you!".
Amused, I started to question his assertions.
Apparently, he claims he 'copied' a kill ability from me (originally, he apparently had 'all'), and he says I have to fully reveal or he will 'out' me. So entertaining this, I questioned "So, what is the name of this ability then?". He kept refusing to state what this imaginary ability is (since he evidently hasn't got it and doesn't exist). This carried on where he kept going "No! You full reveal or I expose you in thread!"
So I asked him, "So right, you copied a kill ability one of the mafia used?", he says "No.", so I ask "So you are accusing me of having a never seen before kill ability, that would be pretty unique. What is it?", he goes "Not telling you, full reveal now or I will say in thread". Then I question "So you are saying you trust me, but have 'doubts', want me to full reveal and give nothing in return, and you are a mafia suspect... so why?" and then he goes "You might kill people with impunity, that is scummy, no town would attempt to hide their abilities." (:laugh4:)
I was sat there thinking, "Who does he think I am, Tim Crow? No one is going to fall for this". Since I was playing Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 on Xbox at the time too, so they were annoyed I was distracted, I turned off my computer.
Come on to check thread and its like "Come on Beskar, or I will reveal!!".
It is an obvious con, if I was actually mafia, he would reveal it and go "Beskar is mafia, lynch him", but funnily enough, he only brings this up when ATPG said to him he was going to vig him. He is attempting to blackmail and failing. I hope Pizza does kill you tonight, for your lame fishing attempt.
I apologise if you was expecting anything from Winston Hughes, but I have to burst the bubble. Such lame blackmail attempts deserve a slap.
Edit:
I would like to point out he is claiming this 'now' when ATPG threatened to kill him, and not in the last 72 hours he had this information. It is an obvious bluff in order to take out one of the leading towns in the game and me to pressure ATPG not to kill him. He is possibly the last Dark Samus player too, this is why he is being supported by dead mafia players. Try harder.
01-07-2011, 00:32
Reenk Roink
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
On Atpg: Yes, he isn't a town role, and yes there is still a reasonable amount of probability that he is a true SK and not just an anti town SK.
STILL, the guy turned around TinCow's plan and gathered information leading to Renata's lynch. Need I remind you that SAMUS and DARK SAMUS are Mafia. Mafia are much more important targets than even a true SK.
Plus the writeup confirmed his identity, his alibi's make sense and are likely true.
Furthermore, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that I would MUCH rather have Atpg win at all AT the expense of the town than freaking Samus who killed me on round 1. :furious3: I hate Samus so much and my main goal in staying in this game is to make sure she and her team lose along with Beefy living (Beefy I swear to god if you're Samus...) AND there is still the possibility of Atpg winning it WITH US. Can't say that about Samus... :wink:
Samus and her team haven't been scratched yet, Atpg is a powerful anti-Samus figure. Atpg's earned his rope, we have 30+ players, let him stay alive for some time for godssake! The only way it is a bad idea is if Atpg can recruit which seems very unlikely.
prefos All players voting Atpg next round.
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Originally Posted by TinCow
Next time, I hope you can give me more credit than being cheap like that. :shame:
I don't understand this comment? I am upset at you for trying to help Samus, which no doubt factored into your decision to reveal Atpg. Yes you got very unlucky by being scanned and then the leak due to recruitment efforts, it reminds of PSM. But oh well, the win loss doesn't matter. I really liked the way you handled your early lynch. I really didn't like you doing a favor for my murderer... :shrug:
01-07-2011, 00:32
TinCow
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I was sat there thinking, "Who does think I am, Tim Crow? No one is going to fall for this".
Was that comment really necessary?
01-07-2011, 00:33
TinCow
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I don't understand this comment? I am upset at you for trying to help Samus, which no doubt factored into your decision to reveal Atpg. Yes you got very unlucky by being scanned and then the leak due to recruitment efforts, it reminds of PSM. But oh well, the win loss doesn't matter. I really liked the way you handled your early lynch. I really didn't like you doing a favor for my murderer... :shrug:
Clearly you missed the fact that the only reason I did that was to save my mafia boss. The line about Samus was just drama to make it look more clever.
01-07-2011, 00:34
Double A
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
I'm sorry but what? I wasn't specifically talking about you, but okay, here we go...
Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.
You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.
But if Pizza hadn't gotten the Meta Ridley role, you can probably assume it would go to someone who would randomly kill people. Then the town would probably try to lynch Ridley due to his affiliation as a recurring bad guy. Ridley would have been designed to be killed for a full townie victory.
01-07-2011, 00:35
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
@Beskar
What?
I never asked for a full reveal. Not once. That is an outright lie.
Literally all I asked for was the names of your kill abilities, stating that I already knew one of them. It was I who offered a full reveal in exchange. Your response was to rely on a hollow argument about not wanting to give the villains ammunition for WIFOM, as if that counts for anything.
I know for a fact what one of your kill abilities is, and I strongly suspect that you have others, given how unwilling you were to divulge them unless I first told you the one I knew about (thus allowing you to claim that that was the only one you have). I gave you another chance when I revealed how I knew about the ability, which would thus be confirmable, since I know not only the name but also the detail in its description. Still you would not budge.
Thus, with a known villain acting as your right hand, you had me under the threat of death, unless I gave up my one card - the detail which has the potential to falsify a claim you might make about your killing powers. My only recourse was publicity.
So, now that you've forced my hand and revealed my ability to the world, why don't you now tell us all what kill abilities you have? As I said several times without any meaningful response: why keep them to yourself unless you plan on getting away with murder?
01-07-2011, 00:36
Reenk Roink
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Clearly you missed the fact that the only reason I did that was to save my mafia boss. The line about Samus was just drama to make it look more clever.
Even false compliments or pretending to Samus are crossing the line...
01-07-2011, 00:37
Cecil XIX
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Pizza shouldn't be killing based on private discussion. End of story.
Agreed.
01-07-2011, 00:41
Double A
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I wonder what kind of blow if any Dark Samus dying does to the team. It would suck if all they lost was a member and could still recruit, because then even if two went down more could easily be recruited. Then again recruiting people who can't kill just yet doesn't do much.
To all IDFH: Team Dark Samus is likely weakened now with two down and some probably exposed, just don't bother joining them anymore.
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Originally Posted by Romanic
Some replies to posts that I've haven't answered yet, from yesterday.
I missed that question yesterday, Sasaki.
I am not 'impressed' by it, it's not the right word. I just think that a player deserve some credit for a well-timed vote against a scum, enough credit to be immune to petty cases like the one you had on him yesterday.
Bah, you misinterpreted my posts twice in a row. Wondering if my explanations were that bad or if it's something else. Anyway ATPG confirmed in a later post, that cover role names will appear in the writeup, if attacked. I guess that I believe him on that point. Surely he was trying to save his life, and being caught in a lie here wouldn't help.
Wow AA, what's up with you in this game? I'm seeing some analysis, some good reasons to place a vote, and now you're answering my question on mafia having the ability to kill their voters in a previous CoV game.
I just don't recognize you. Anyway, thanks for answering.
So what was Motep saying about mafia having the ability to kill their voters if they were lynched? It happened in another CoV game maybe? I'll have to check the first game "Council of Villains" and the 2nd, "The Missing Link", unless someone else knows the answer?
I still think it's interesting to know if TinCow could kill one of his own, if they were voting for him, because they wouldn't be voting for him if that's the case, unless they're ballsy, maybe.
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Originally Posted by YLC
I'm sorry but what? I wasn't specifically talking about you, but okay, here we go...
Pizza needs to kill Samus and Dark Samus, so do you. Thus, goals seem intially compatible, but Pizza claims neutrality, and thus you claim he will win when both Samus's are dead. He does this when he either votes for the lynch of a Samus or kills them personally, which is has a high chance of happening simply if Pizza votes for whomever gets lynched every round. Pizza has to do nothing that a normal townie wouldn't.
You're basically saying that the only way the town could ever win is if they managed to find ATPG before Dark Samus and Samus, whom the town knows are the antagonists and thus are to be lynched and where the town almost always kills scum when they find them. So the town NEVER had any realistic chance of winning, ever, by your logic. Do you not see how this is entirely USELESS to consider? Think first yourself, before you prove that you aren't trustworthy.
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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
@Beskar
What?
I never asked for a full reveal. Not once. That is an outright lie.
Literally all I asked for was the names of your kill abilities, stating that I already knew one of them. It was I who offered a full reveal in exchange. Your response was to rely on a hollow argument about not wanting to give the villains ammunition for WIFOM, as if that counts for anything.
I know for a fact what one of your kill abilities is, and I strongly suspect that you have others, given how unwilling you were to divulge them unless I first told you the one I knew about (thus allowing you to claim that that was the only one you have). I gave you another chance when I revealed how I knew about the ability, which would thus be confirmable, since I know not only the name but also the detail in its description. Still you would not budge.
Thus, with a known villain acting as your right hand, you had me under the threat of death, unless I gave up my one card - the detail which has the potential to falsify a claim you might make about your killing powers. My only recourse was publicity.
So, now that you've forced my hand and revealed my ability to the world, why don't you now tell us all what kill abilities you have? As I said several times without any meaningful response: why keep them to yourself unless you plan on getting away with murder?
I just don't understand why you haven't posted it here yet. It's not much of a "card" in the first place. If this was Magic, it would be Storm Crows.
01-07-2011, 00:42
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Yeah I don't like beskar's post.
If it was a different SK I would be all in favor of letting him live, but I don't want pizza behind the scenes. If I was in his spot I'd find the mafia and try and ally, and if pizza is thinking pro-town thoughts right now they are highly variable (see his other games).
01-07-2011, 00:45
Reenk Roink
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Yeah I don't like beskar's post.
If it was a different SK I would be all in favor of letting him live, but I don't want pizza behind the scenes. If I was in his spot I'd find the mafia and try and ally, and if pizza is thinking pro-town thoughts right now they are highly variable (see his other games).
If Pizza wants to betray the town he will have to wait for a good amount of time before having a reasonable chance of getting away with it. AT LEAST give him until we have like 24 players remaining.
01-07-2011, 00:47
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
If Pizza wants to betray the town he will have to wait for a good amount of time before having a reasonable chance of getting away with it. AT LEAST give him until we have like 24 players remaining.
I'd like it to play out like yesterday. Pizza wagon, counterwagon. He'll get lynched eventually. It has the potential to be more informative than a set time.
If he kills someone discussed tonight though he has to die on principle. Unless they are mafia, lol.
01-07-2011, 00:52
Captain Blackadder
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
I find Beskar suspicious but something about WInston's story does not ring true not sure what it is just that something feels off to me.
01-07-2011, 00:55
Beskar
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
I never asked for a full reveal. Not once. That is an outright lie.
No it isn't, stop trying to cover yourself up.
Quote:
Literally all I asked for was the names of your kill abilities, stating that I already knew one of them. It was I who offered a full reveal in exchange. Your response was to rely on a hollow argument about not wanting to give the villains ammunition for WIFOM, as if that counts for anything.
You was asking for 'all abilities'. I was told you I wouldn't give out that kind of information, especially to a mafia suspect, I trust Pizza more than you and he is scum. especially considering certain situations where my abilities unknown are possibly protecting other pro-town roles. Being a pro-town, I am not going to give information to a mafia suspect with a false reveal.
You are simply trying to bait a situation on me which is false to the town in order to cover your own behind, as you was threatened to be killed by Pizza (apparently, i don't know if he did or not). That is it, zero. You have nothing at all. I am so confident, I am calling out on your nonsense.
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I know for a fact what one of your kill abilities is, and I strongly suspect that you have others, given how unwilling you were to divulge them unless I first told you the one I knew about (thus allowing you to claim that that was the only one you have). I gave you another chance when I revealed how I knew about the ability, which would thus be confirmable, since I know not only the name but also the detail in its description. Still you would not budge.
If you don't know why a pro-town would reveal information to a mafia suspect, I recommend reading the mafia 101 which is stickied at the top by Beefy.
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Thus, with a known villain acting as your right hand, you had me under the threat of death, unless I gave up my one card - the detail which has the potential to falsify a claim you might make about your killing powers. My only recourse was publicity.
What are you on about? ATPG contacted you on his own volition and that is if he contacted you at all (Pizza at work, so I can't even ask). So I never had you 'anywhere' and I never had you any under 'threat of death'. I never forced you into anything.
I will also remind you that Pizza wants Dark Samus and Samus dead, aka, the mafia, he is a powerful town assert which he has commented he will gladly be. He isn't my "right-hand dragon".
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So, now that you've forced my hand and revealed my ability to the world, why don't you now tell us all what kill abilities you have? As I said several times without any meaningful response: why keep them to yourself unless you plan on getting away with murder?
Well, 'plan on getting away with murder' would imply I am not one of the murderers. especially as you would know the said ability and go "hey, isn't that the person that killed x?". If this was the case, you would accuse me of actually attacking some one, which you haven't, because this ability hasn't been used.
So evident from this information alone shows I am not one of the mafia killers.
Since you cannot name 'imaginary ability x' on top of this, you have absolutely zero.
So ultimately, this is what you are doing. You are faking this information to try to use this situation to your own advantage. You have nothing, you are all bark and no bite. If you had anything, you would have been in this thread like a shot last round and got me lynched. However, apparently I am 'forcing you to reveal' that I apparently might be a mafia. :laugh4:
Sorry Winston, I hope ATPG kills you tonight. If you are a mafia, nice try, if you was a town, dumb move.
01-07-2011, 00:56
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
By the way, the question I asked Sasaki early on in the game was "What abilities do you have?"
He didn't have any.
01-07-2011, 01:04
Beskar
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
By the way, the question I asked Sasaki early on in the game was "What abilities do you have?"
He didn't have any.
Was this when TinCow revealed Sasaki as being Rundas (GF aligned) ? Oh wait.. it was. :wink: Just a coincidence surely? I mean, the both of you investigating the same person and knowing he was just a normal townie.
Still waiting for you to reveal this kill ability. Why are you so hesitant in revealing, something to hide? Is it the fact it doesn't exist? Yeah, that kind of puts a damper on your plans. Claiming people have non-existent abilities.
01-07-2011, 01:04
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
You was asking for 'all abilities'.
No, I specifically said: "I only need to know the kill abilities".
You are lying through your teeth.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
You are simply trying to bait a situation on me which is false to the town in order to cover your own behind, as you was threatened to be killed by Pizza.
Cover my own behind? I've been fully expecting to die ever since you ran away from our conversation without warning, right after I called out your motives for not wanting to reveal your kill abilities.
And you're still ducking the question now.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Since you cannot name 'imaginary ability x' on top of this, you have absolutely zero.
You mean my own ability? It's called 'Metamorph'.
01-07-2011, 01:10
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
I wonder about pizza thinking beskar was one of the mafia, and then turning around to be all buddy buddy now that I think of it.
01-07-2011, 01:11
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Still waiting for you to reveal this kill ability. Why are you so hesitant in revealing, something to hide? Is it the fact it doesn't exist? Yeah, that kind of puts a damper on your plans. Claiming people have non-existent abilities.
(Beskar edited this in after my post)
Wait, are you saying you don't have a kill ability at all?
01-07-2011, 01:14
Beskar
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
(Beskar edited this in after my post)
Wait, are you saying you don't have a kill ability at all?
Well, if you are mafia, you could indeed have a kill ability. Doesn't make it mine. Plus, apparently 'mine' hasn't been used by the mafia. So i would be expecting something unique and special for you to be correct. :smile:
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You mean my own ability? It's called 'Metamorph'.
No the name of the kill ability you apparently copied which you keep ducking.
why so hesitant, Winston?
01-07-2011, 01:27
Captain Blackadder
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
I agree that was what is bugging me what is Beskars ability called Winston you say you know it so what is it called and what is its description?
01-07-2011, 01:32
Beskar
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder
I agree that was what is bugging me what is Beskars ability called Winston you say you know it so what is it called and what is its description?
Hah, my ability is "Only Winston knows", it has the special power of not killing people, unless you say its name, at which point, you mysteriously do not get killed by it.
01-07-2011, 01:36
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
Plus, apparently 'mine' hasn't been used by the mafia.
No, I said I didn't know if you've killed anyone. Not the same thing at all.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
No the name of the kill ability you apparently copied which you keep ducking.
Okay, this is the point where I go from merely suspecting you, to actually thinking you are a villain.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
why so hesitant, Winston?
Hesitant? I'm not the one who went off to 'play X-Box' for six hours - without warning - rather than work it out between us. In case you hadn't noticed, I've been waiting for you to come back ever since. I've still got the IM conversation open. The last few lines are:
"or, if you prefer, I could reveal what I know about you in the thread
because I'm becoming increasingly suspicious about your desire to keep your murder skills secret
there is no reason I can see other than a desire to kill with impunity
and that's not a pro-town desire"
Then you vanished.
01-07-2011, 01:40
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder
I agree that was what is bugging me what is Beskars ability called Winston you say you know it so what is it called and what is its description?
The moment I say its name, Beskar can claim it's the only kill ability he has, even if he has a whole stack of others.
01-07-2011, 01:44
Beskar
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
The moment I say its name, Beskar can claim it's the only kill ability he has, even if he has a whole stack of others.
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
I have a secret stash of kill abilities, along with "Only Winston knows", there is "Winston suspects" and "Winston's imagination".
How dare I be foiled. How could you do this to me, almightly lords of the Gameroom, thy Sigurd and General of Hankerchief be thy name.
My real ability is called "Accessing Winston's Role PM", in Winston's pm, it says "Your alignment is Mafia (the badguys)", it even gave me access to their quicktopic. :o :o :o
01-07-2011, 01:48
Winston Hughes
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:
I have a secret stash of kill abilities, along with "Only Winston knows", there is "Winston suspects" and "Winston's imagination".
How dare I be foiled. How could you do this to me, almightly lords of the Gameroom, thy Sigurd and General of Hankerchief be thy name.
My real ability is called "Accessing Winston's Role PM", in it, it says "Your alignment is Mafia (the badguys)", it even gave me access to their quicktopic. :o :o :o
Well, I'm off to bed right now. It's been fun.
But for a final sentiment, I must point out that the last time Beskar took this mocking tone towards me, it was when I correctly identified him as mafia in another game.
01-07-2011, 01:49
Captain Blackadder
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
The moment I say its name, Beskar can claim it's the only kill ability he has, even if he has a whole stack of others.
Fine then you can tell me or someone else if you do not trust me the ability. I just want someone to be able to back up your view. I do not care who that person is.
01-07-2011, 01:50
Askthepizzaguy
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
@All
Anyone else received the pizzaguy blackmail treatment tonight?
You know, Seon received the blackmail treatment, and that lead to me trying to save his :daisy: while the rest of you wanted him dead. And then what happened? Oh yeah, that's right, Dark Samus died.
I love how forceful, yet obviously helpful and productive, behavior is now scummy.
And yeah, if you ask around, you'll understand I've threatened a bunch of people in exchange for information; the alternative is randomly killing, and not caring what the result is.
I did the exact same thing in.... a lot of other games, really. This is standard operating procedure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
ATPG, some day you're going to have to explain to me how you always get so many people to believe your ridiculous role claims.
When the game ends, I'll accept your apology. Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.
I usually try to make my lies, you know, believable. This role is ridiculous, yet extremely satisfying. Goes down smooth, great flavor.
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Plus he makes you feel like you're being mean to him when you act skeptical.
Ordinarily I'd say yeah, I try to play such head games, but at the time I was frustrated that none of my suspects were good enough for anyone, and all my moves were being criticized. Give me something positive to work with.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarema
I must confess that ATPG is the player that I am affraid of the most. No-one is so frightful to me as he is. So, when it turns out that he is a SK of a sort, I just shiver
Listen Jarema, I hear what you're saying, and I want to calm your fears. Please click the spoiler for more.
I noticed some complaints about my methods in the preceding posts; specifically threatening in private.
It's what I did with Seon, to positive effect, even for Seon himself. Kind of ESPECIALLY for Seon himself.
Honestly, Winston should be happy I'm asking him who he is before I just blithely kill him. Do you guys want me to kill your investigator, protector, or hero roles?
I'm just asking.
Now, if you want me to drop that, I will. I don't see why I should, but if it's how you want me to operate, with one wing tied behind my back, okay.... this is your show, tell me what to do.
Now, I want a response to the question: Do you want me to try to avoid hitting useful people, or people with stories I can easily confirm, or would you prefer me to kill randomly?
I could just abstain from killing at all, I gave that option, and several people have suggested they'd actually prefer I act as a vigilante here. Please decide, one thing that is frustrating is I'll work hard for you, but a couple dozen bosses with different strategic demands makes for an unhappy and unproductive Pizza. Please have one clear objective for me, and then ask me to do that.
01-07-2011, 01:52
Seon
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Hey, but me folding to the slightest threat (read grand) worked out in the end :p. We got dark Samus and you out into the light after all.
01-07-2011, 01:54
Beskar
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Well, I'm off to bed right now.
But for a final sentiment, I must point out that the last time Beskar took this mocking tone towards me, it was when I correctly identified him as mafia in another game.
So you are going to bed, without even mentioning this kill ability, this proof you found a mafia? :laugh4: :rolleyes:
I apologise, but I am in hysterics. You are lying so badly on a unbelievable level and it is obvious that you are.
01-07-2011, 01:56
Askthepizzaguy
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seon
Hey, but me folding to the slightest threat (read grand) worked out in the end :p. We got dark Samus and you out into the light after all.
I know it did. I don't understand how a successful and useful strategy is now bad.
I guess it's the SK thing. Look, I'd be doing the exact same thing if I were pure as the driven snow. Mafia respond to threats, townies understand why threats are necessary, and understand no one is above suspicion.
I am getting angry that Winston refuses to name the ability he supposedly stole from Beskar. It would take a fraction of a second to just state, for the record. There is NO DAMAGE to the town if he does so, because he already stated that Beskar had such a power. Therefore, it's kind of like when Kagemusha refused to reveal, after Tincow was after him and Kagemusha himself had revealed 90% of his info, in the previous game.
The damage, whatever it may be, has been done. Reveal or get the heck out, Winston. Do you realize you might have caught Beskar in a lie? You might be able to prove he's mafia or something? Yet you refuse to give the goods?
This is either a really bad bluff, or I do not know what the heck you're waiting for. Tell me.
01-07-2011, 01:59
Beskar
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I could just abstain from killing at all, I gave that option, and several people have suggested they'd actually prefer I act as a vigilante here. Please decide, one thing that is frustrating is I'll work hard for you, but a couple dozen bosses with different strategic demands makes for an unhappy and unproductive Pizza. Please have one clear objective for me, and then ask me to do that.
Kill Winston. He cannot even name this apparent 'kill ability' which proves I am mafia scum (even though it apparently hasn't even been used by the mafia too), even after prompting by myself and other town in thread.
He is evidently the last remaining Dark Samus player (which is why Renata, etc was in full support of him). He knows I am protected at night so he is hoping to get me lynched off as 'revenge'.
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I am getting angry that Winston refuses to name the ability he supposedly stole from Beskar. It would take a fraction of a second to just state, for the record. There is NO DAMAGE to the town if he does so, because he already stated that Beskar had such a power. Therefore, it's kind of like when Kagemusha refused to reveal, after Tincow was after him and Kagemusha himself had revealed 90% of his info, in the previous game.
The damage, whatever it may be, has been done. Reveal or get the heck out, Winston. Do you realize you might have caught Beskar in a lie? You might be able to prove he's mafia or something? Yet you refuse to give the goods?
This is either a really bad bluff, or I do not know what the heck you're waiting for.
It is a really bad bluff, infact, it isn't even a bluff. It is an attempt to get you to spare him tonight, because he has some information, but he won't reveal it, because he doesn't actually have anything at all.
Then he is using the threat of not being able to 'expose' if you killed him at night. But since there is nothing to expose in the first place, you won't find it magically in the morning anyway.
The fact Dark Samus is fully behind him is icing on the cake.
01-07-2011, 02:00
johnhughthom
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
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Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
But for a final sentiment, I must point out that the last time Beskar took this mocking tone towards me, it was when I correctly identified him as mafia in another game.
He's addressed you in a different tone?
01-07-2011, 02:00
Askthepizzaguy
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Please vote now for Winston to die or be spared.
He refused to give me anything substantive in private, which is fine.... didn't tell beskar what ability he copied/stole from him, but claimed and insisted he had done so.
Now, when simply asked directly to state what it was he took, and I contacted him privately while he was still online and asked him:
EDIT: Can't copy.
Gist of it: "Before you go to bed, what ability did you take from Beskar."
He went offline a few minutes afterward.
Do you guys think his story is credible enough to double-check first, or should I pull the trigger?
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Originally Posted by johnhughthom
He's addressed you in a different tone?
:laugh4:
It's a fair cop.
01-07-2011, 02:07
classical_hero
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
I vote for to kill Winston. There are too many holes in his story. If Beskar is right, then killing him is great for the town. If he is town, then he should have confessed to what he knew, like Seon did.
01-07-2011, 02:07
Greyblades
Re: [Council of Villains] A State of Corruption [In play]
Ugh how long until this turn is over?
Storming off in a huff though it was I wouldnt want to be killed while sleeping Vote: dont kill Winston