Motion Detect 15er #2 GAME THREAD

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Originally Posted by Cape90

im either back to being bad at reading you

or you are openwolfing here

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its either the first one

or you are openwolfing here


:curtain:

what the fuck

wild west with votals is familiar to me tbh

I don't really see how anyone sees that big giant wall of self vote and goes 'nah dog let me quote the part about me this sucks lol gg'

Nutella pls

okay nutella now changed their mind off like 1 sentence from the wall

wowee

Votes as of Post #1041 -- Day ends at 7PM EST


Illario (4) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom
Wisdom (3) Raskolnikov robyn Syn
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Lapras (1) Nutella
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Nutella (2) Cape90 Achro




No vote/Unvoted: Lapras

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Originally Posted by nebjiamn

Votes as of Post #1041 -- Day ends at 7PM EST


Illario (4) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom
Wisdom (3) Raskolnikov robyn Syn
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Lapras (1) Nutella
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Nutella (2) Cape90 Achro




No vote/Unvoted: Lapras

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Voting Lapras is even worse.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

???

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i was skimming from a few pages back and you didn't really post too much after your vote on illario, but the posts you did make i liked and made me think you were town off that

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Originally Posted by Achro

wild west with votals is familiar to me tbh

I don't really see how anyone sees that big giant wall of self vote and goes 'nah dog let me quote the part about me this sucks lol gg'

Nutella pls

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you can quite literally see the order of my reactions to it in sequence

1) i see that at postcap lift illario dumps a big wall ending in a self vote, i make a joke about it

2) i start reading it and theres a weird bit about me that doesnt follow from anything, i call it terrible

3) i continue reading it and see some value in his other reads

Im getting family ready for bed sup

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Originally Posted by Achro

Voting Lapras is even worse.

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and why is that praytell

why can’t people read me at all anymore

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Originally Posted by nutella

you can quite literally see the order of my reactions to it in sequence

1) i see that at postcap lift illario dumps a big wall ending in a self vote, i make a joke about it

2) i start reading it and theres a weird bit about me that doesnt follow from anything, i call it terrible

3) i continue reading it and see some value in his other reads

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yeah sorry I didnt realize you had unvoted somewhere

but see: voting lapras is even worse for details

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Originally Posted by Achro

Voting Lapras is even worse.

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so im guessing your concerns with lapras are way less then other slots being voted?

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Originally Posted by nutella

and why is that praytell

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Because I tr them based off their iso.

why do you think lapras is a hit

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Originally Posted by robyn

why can’t people read me at all anymore

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it's probably because you are playing scummy as town right now and you wouldn't get the pushback you are getting if you were wolf

hot take moment

sponsored by me

you're welcome

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Originally Posted by Cape90

so im guessing your concerns with lapras are way less then other slots being voted?

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I have an active town read on lapras based on the breadth of their iso rather than little things. So yes, Lapras is a top TR for me.

iso check > one tell > small things > null

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Originally Posted by Achro

Because I tr them based off their iso.

why do you think lapras is a hit

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why do you tr them


i think theyre a hit because vulgard asked this repeatedly and never got anything remotely resembling an answer and lapras himself has barely posted since there was a lead wagon on him and the thread moved away from talking about him

it's not even that scummy though but you feel townier in your scum games lol

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Originally Posted by nutella

and why is that praytell

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Cuz hes town

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Originally Posted by nutella

why do you tr them


i think theyre a hit because vulgard asked this repeatedly and never got anything remotely resembling an answer and lapras himself has barely posted since there was a lead wagon on him and the thread moved away from talking about him

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Vulgard never got an answer? from anyone? NOT A SINGLE SOUL, nutella???

speaking of vulgard where is he?

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Originally Posted by Achro

I have an active town read on lapras based on the breadth of their iso rather than little things. So yes, Lapras is a top TR for me.

iso check > one tell > small things > null

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this is gibberish

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Originally Posted by Cape90

speaking of vulgard where is he?

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repopulating the earth

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Originally Posted by nutella

why do you tr them


i think theyre a hit because vulgard asked this repeatedly and never got anything remotely resembling an answer and lapras himself has barely posted since there was a lead wagon on him and the thread moved away from talking about him

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I think there were lots of answers and discussion

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Originally Posted by Lapras

Cuz hes town

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yo Lapras sanity check

how u feel on nutella?

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Originally Posted by robyn

repopulating the earth

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i feel like i haven't seen em in like forever

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Originally Posted by Lapras

I think there were lots of answers and discussion

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there literally was not

the closest was robyn saying that they tred you and not explaining why

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Originally Posted by nutella

why do you tr them


i think theyre a hit because vulgard asked this repeatedly and never got anything remotely resembling an answer and lapras himself has barely posted since there was a lead wagon on him and the thread moved away from talking about him

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I still think just saying "why is he x" over and over isnt really a wau to facilitate discussion on someone (and most ppl know that?

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Originally Posted by nutella

there literally was not

the closest was robyn saying that they tred you and not explaining why

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Achro + robyn both explained
Others explained srs/dropped them
Cape definitely spoke about me a bit

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Originally Posted by nutella

this is gibberish

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Originally Posted by Achro

Lapras iso whoo.

Claims they are a Lapras twice, filler, filler, calls robyn tring cape/visor a stretch (probably not w/w with either of those two), Lapras chooses to keep their secrets from illario, questions robyn about cape's range, gives robyn a town read based on that answer...

It's at this point Vulgard steps in to vote Lapras. Tells vulgard to just call it what it is, which is shade. Says Vul is town for multi tiered thinking but hedges with vul's wolfing skills. Likes Rask' manner of dealing with pressure. Tone reads Syn town. Says wiz could be wolfing. Comes along with Cape being town due to his analysis.


@Lapras this is a very strange question to ask when you consider the fact that you said this:



To phrase this another way, "I don't see what I am doing is wolfy. How is it any different than my wolf read?" That feels like a really unintuitive thought to have from a town perspective. Think Boq could have some equity as a partner in Lapras worlds though since Lapras' bringing them up here feels especially random to me given they are one of the few people who Lapras hasn't given any reads on and then suddenly a Boq mention.

Lapras also didn't comment on me at all, smh.



I still don't get how you arrive to that specific question naturally, but I'll iso vul later to see how this suspicion fits within the flow of vul's posting about Lapras today.

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Originally Posted by Achro

I will say I liked your content until that interaction tbh. I was surprised how much you had managed to say. I don't like how you phrased it still but maybe that's me seeing a shadow thats not there.

But otoh I don't think he has done a big tunnel on you or anything. I just iso'd him and made a note but he has been poking around as well. Based on the fact that I think both of you are off base and kind of going at it I feel like you could both easily be town here. While you both have this and that I don't love ultimately you both have actually provided a decent array of content today and haven't actually been staring any one thing down tbh.

So if not for vul who else is catching your eye negatively? I will also accept possible vul scumbuddies of you insist on narrowing in on vul but I want to know where you are atm

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so much gibberish tbh

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Originally Posted by Lapras

I still think just saying "why is he x" over and over isnt really a wau to facilitate discussion on someone (and most ppl know that?

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this doesn't invalidate the fact that the thread continually refused to acknowledge your existence

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Originally Posted by Cape90

yo Lapras sanity check

how u feel on nutella?

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Feelz pretty opportunistic

She managed to found my alt really well by posting style and has in past found me as town pretty easily

It feels like shes pigging back on a read on me from vulgsrd specifically but i dont really know her other takes

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Originally Posted by Visor

i really need to reread rask

starting to get a bad feeling

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

tell me about that pal

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amazing dip moment from the thread from visor

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Originally Posted by nutella

this doesn't invalidate the fact that the thread continually refused to acknowledge your existence

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I was a top wagon

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Originally Posted by Achro

so much gibberish tbh

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oh i see you summarized his posts very cool

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Originally Posted by Achro

so much gibberish tbh

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Look hes right n you are wrong so im with him

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Originally Posted by nutella

this doesn't invalidate the fact that the thread continually refused to acknowledge your existence

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why do you keep using the same read over and over

'wow no one talked about this person, so lets vote them'

'hey nutella someone talked about this person'

'anyway like I was saying no one talked about this person'

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Originally Posted by Lapras

Feelz pretty opportunistic

She managed to found my alt really well by posting style and has in past found me as town pretty easily

It feels like shes pigging back on a read on me from vulgsrd specifically but i dont really know her other takes

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i am in fact piggybacking on vulgard's read because i think it is good and he is my top town


i have found you town in games where you have done a lot more than you have done here

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Originally Posted by Lapras

Look hes right n you are wrong so im with him

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Oop i thought i was responding to nut.

Im with achro

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Originally Posted by Visor

i really need to reread rask

starting to get a bad feeling

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

tell me about that pal

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Originally Posted by dyachei

not w/w = dichotomy

I mean, it's not that it's lazy to say that cape and wisdom are closer to the solve than anyone else, but like we both know that those players tend to have better reads as the game goes on and not as much d1. Like yes, they are solid players, but saying one of their early reads lists is closer to the solve than anyone else seems fallacious and i would expect you to know that

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solid meta on me

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Originally Posted by nutella

oh i see you summarized his posts very cool

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yes it isn't like the second post used that summation to form two reads based off two isos.

So smart. Much wow.

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Originally Posted by Achro

why do you keep using the same read over and over

'wow no one talked about this person, so lets vote them'

'hey nutella someone talked about this person'

'anyway like I was saying no one talked about this person'

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bc it's more nuanced than that

yes people talked about him but the wagon died off and then people focused elsewhere for the rest of the day

everything that wasn't the dya post wasn't supposed to be in there :curtain:

I don't know but if it was me, and I was trying to vote someone based off no one reading them or no one talking to vul about lapras, I'd probably make sure I read the thread closely enough to make sure that was true.

which you clearly didn't do

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Originally Posted by Achro

yes it isn't like the second post used that summation to form two reads based off two isos.

So smart. Much wow.

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i must be missing something in between the two that got you to a townread on him

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Originally Posted by nutella

i am in fact piggybacking on vulgard's read because i think it is good and he is my top town


i have found you town in games where you have done a lot more than you have done here

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Yah this is something i accept because of how you came to tr me in those games which gives me a clue in to how you solves me (solving lots with depth of thought) and I know thats not as much here

But ive explained why i am like i am this game

I still think vuls push is kinda basic in that its "this guys not posted lots of thoughts and thoughts arent deeply explained: but i have AND i think there are other players similar

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Originally Posted by nutella

bc it's more nuanced than that

yes people talked about him but the wagon died off and then people focused elsewhere for the rest of the day

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I love nuance but you haven't really been giving much of any with these reads?

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Originally Posted by nutella

i must be missing something in between the two that got you to a townread on him

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He responded to my question from post 1 that I think is a townie perspective on how people react when being suspected.

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Originally Posted by Achro

I don't know but if it was me, and I was trying to vote someone based off no one reading them or no one talking to vul about lapras, I'd probably make sure I read the thread closely enough to make sure that was true.

which you clearly didn't do

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i have read every post and i'm aware of that exchange you had with lapras but it was ages ago and we have spent the hours leading up to eod talking about illario and wisdom while lapras has not made a peep or been brought up again since

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Originally Posted by Lapras

Yah this is something i accept because of how you came to tr me in those games which gives me a clue in to how you solves me (solving lots with depth of thought) and I know thats not as much here

But ive explained why i am like i am this game

I still think vuls push is kinda basic in that its "this guys not posted lots of thoughts and thoughts arent deeply explained: but i have AND i think there are other players similar

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ok gimme ur reads then

Votes as of Post #1089 -- Day ends in 20 minutes
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Illario (4) EnderWiggin dyachei Vulgard Wisdom
Wisdom (3) Raskolnikov robyn Syn
Robyn (2) Visor Illario
dyachei (1) ladd
Lapras (1) Nutella
Raskolnikov (1) Boquise
Nutella (2) Cape90 Achro

No vote/Unvoted: Lapras

i wonder if vulgard were here if he'd still be down to build up the wagon with me but otherwise looks like it's not happening :shrug:

lapras' townread on robyn is towny

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Originally Posted by Lapras

Solving like they do as town + really meta driven (as wolf i remember they were really logic driven and thats gow they wolf in turbos) + quite like antagonistic n out there which is generically towny. Lots of early hot takes too

Thats what i recall

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Originally Posted by Lapras

:eyes: tho cuz i know you like it when your wolf for ppl to extrapolate on why they tr you....so if happys a wolf i can see a world where youve asked him to ask this q.

But this is obv just wild tinfoil based on theory you'd like to troll me and your probs just town

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i have to take nutella being bad at explaining themselves into account here

others should too

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Originally Posted by nutella

i have read every post and i'm aware of that exchange you had with lapras but it was ages ago and we have spent the hours leading up to eod talking about illario and wisdom while lapras has not made a peep or been brought up again since

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Well I can't argue with that, I was asleep for a vast majority of that particular stage of the thread, but the lapras stuff happened just this morning it isn't ancient history.

Also I feel like vul is clearly tunneled tbh. It isn't a matter of being right or being wrong, but I think the arguments he presented didn't add up to being true when I actually iso'd Lapras. He was saying Lapras hadn't done anything but Lapras, while brief, had plenty of reads to digest which doesn't mix with vul's view.

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Originally Posted by nutella

ok gimme ur reads then

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Ladd cape rask robyn town
Syn proba town

Vul maybe town maybe wolf

Wiz kinda wolfy but cant ewmwmwber why

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Originally Posted by Cape90

lapras' townread on robyn is towny

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hmm sure

are we gonna just keep eliming illario or what then

other then that i will say that Lapras is certainly reasonable if not a bit underwhelming, even if I know they can be whelming as wolf so.

Like uncritically going 'vul is a town read I will vote with vul' is imo an abdication of anyone's duty to critically look at a case and evaluate it. Reading Vul's posts I think it is clear that his push on Lapras is misguided (or he is a wolf and my early read is god tier but shh)

Work is busier this morning than I wanted it to be lel.

I am not voting Wisdom because if illario IS town then they're probably right on Wisdom.

I am thinking other people to vote but will hold illario vote tbh.

(Also other reason I disliked illario thought on me was the weird "None of you read me right" where he straight admitted that my thought about his wolf meta was accurate.)

cape

me and ladd both tr nutella

please get off them

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Originally Posted by Achro

Like uncritically going 'vul is a town read I will vote with vul' is imo an abdication of anyone's duty to critically look at a case and evaluate it. Reading Vul's posts I think it is clear that his push on Lapras is misguided (or he is a wolf and my early read is god tier but shh)

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this is not remotely what i did but ok

syn is too funny for me to consider today

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Originally Posted by nutella

this is not remotely what i did but ok

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it sure feels like this is what you did. I read both lapras and vul's isos surrounding this, vul's case is just not it tbh.

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Originally Posted by robyn

cape

me and ladd both tr nutella

please get off them

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ive had my silly moments about cape he can have a silly moment about me as a treat, im not going over

but we should figure out who is

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Originally Posted by nutella

happy for you or sorry that happened

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lmao

Ya lunching nutella is just silly

Sorry i am kind ahee but realy drunk so not gonna be super helpful

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Originally Posted by Achro

it sure feels like this is what you did. I read both lapras and vul's isos surrounding this, vul's case is just not it tbh.

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it was a threadstate and vibe read on his confidence. that may not satisfy you but it felt good at the time

kinda feels like we either stay on illario or end up flashwagoning dya here if anyone

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Bro, ur wolfy. I have real several post of yours pushing that line: basically I am a wolf because I posted I dunno u.
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You and Wisdom shading me immediatly after Boq's random vote is somethiing tbh

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uhhhhh

you arent in that list?

weird post

Achro just mentioned you maybe being a powerwolf and that was it

Genujey no cle who to lumch and not sober enuf to read illario wall

Ender prob v

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Originally Posted by nutella

it was a threadstate and vibe read on his confidence. that may not satisfy you but it felt good at the time

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threadstate reads are hard to solidify when we had several inactives at that time tbh, any one of them being a wolf changes the dynamic of threadstate reads. And I love threadstate reads.

I don't know who I think is most likely to be wolf but I know I don't want my top tier town reads touched tbh

Idknt even think dya is super wlfy, just kinda not villagery?

ladd is the most sober player on

i guess i could see Rask being powerwolf but im pretty sure they have made similar "attack-y" posts as le petit

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Originally Posted by Cape90

i guess i could see Rask being powerwolf but im pretty sure they have made similar "attack-y" posts as le petit

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he was all attack-y with me too

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Originally Posted by Cape90

uhhhhh

you arent in that list?

weird post

Achro just mentioned you maybe being a powerwolf and that was it

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No, there was at minumum another post before that Cape.

@Cape90

rask pop in about me is just straight confusing to me because if he read my thread presence at all I've discussed extensively why I liked our interaction so I just don't get it.

is that wolfy for him? does he get defensive?

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Originally Posted by Cape90

syn is too funny for me to consider today

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wisdom just woke up in a cold sweat