And the description of the victory conditions is quite unclear. I would have expected detailed information here. Who do you have to eliminate in order to win. Preventing future mafia proliferation, wtf?
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And the description of the victory conditions is quite unclear. I would have expected detailed information here. Who do you have to eliminate in order to win. Preventing future mafia proliferation, wtf?
Ahhh.
I withdraw the comment about Tiberius not attempting defense.
I have read everything.
Now - we have all established Tiberius as a prime suspect - with terrific evidence from a so far trusted person here in the public, Pannonian.
However, we have forgotten the other night actions!
Why was Taka attacked?
Why would anyone attack Lord Winter?
What have these two done to deserve death?
The first thing I can think of that does not require speculation is that the Mafia have found targets on the public forums who are obvious, but also protected, so they are instead picking off the dangerous loners who are silent enough to stave off suspicion, but too silent to have protection from anybody.
Can someone backtrack through the posts of these two?
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Also, can everyone give reasons as to why they are electing a certain governor?
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If I were someone under the greatest suspicion, I would not apprehend much belief to be found in what I said.
Investigation results require a certain amount of faith from at least some people to have some effect on a person's decisions.
So if I were Tiberius, under that much scrutiny, I would not reveal detective results as they would not be taken seriously.
For this reason, I wonder why you proclaim GH innocent, and W&F criminal, when you have neither attacked or defended either before.
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I don't know what it is in your attitude, GH, but it simply doesn't feel right - why don't you simply ignore the odd, trivial claim against you?
Most people do, yet you are always absolutely certain that you have answered all questions and there are no loose ends.
Is GH always like this in Mafia games?
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Crazy Hare, settle down - I assure you no one has forgotten I am guilty, I think in fact that you, CountArach and Rythmic are making a little club to ensure I'm not forgotten.
The only question is, were any of you in a club before then?
Do any of you come from the same family?
Do note, everybody, how CrazedRabbit first claims me to be a Don, then gives terrible evidence against me being a criminal because Made Gangsters can investigate.
At least in my experiance, Proliferation=spreading. so my job is to prevent Mafia activities from spreading
This is not correct. If I have been unclear my apologies, but the Director is escorted by police all night and cannot participate in an "active" night action. Investigations (made, detective, FBI) can occur, and possibly some other "special" abilities, but nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
You´re missing the point. Your victory conditions don´t give any substantial information on the conditions when you can claim victory in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake
edit:
And CA´s question remained unanswered so far ...
That phrasing is not Seamus-like. He would have written: "You may only change..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake's alleged Role PM
I suspect that role PM has been 'doctored'.
Methinks someone has slipped up in not sufficiently editing their Made role PM. Which brings an interesting thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omanes Alexandrapolites
If no detectives show up, then how about we get Glenn and jimbob to participate in protection groups, protecting a target we deem dispensable? Have another, killing group (perhaps whoever is left and active from pevergreen's earlier group) attacks that target so we can test the effectiveness of the protection. If either of them is a Made, the group they're in will fail. What's more, the killing group itself can be tested, as Mades will only register as guilty on the night of their murders, while wise guys and townies will be tainted from that point onwards.
Pannonian, I appreciate you want to see I us both cleared.
But that is alot of manpower, which means I would be unprotected and I would die, and that would mean your target would probably die.
Yes, I had a protection group, no I won't say who they were, that would be stupid. That is the reason why I asked Seamus how much we can rely on his night action write ups, unless someone else like a doctor or surgeon overwrote my P group, then he made a mistake in that detail.
You are correct. You do indeed refer to the mafia as 'mob'. My mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I felt obliged to state this publicly.
So you don't want any part in anything that might actively clear you, while you parade abilities which are available to Mades as well as detectives. In which case we might as well keep you alive while you give us investigation results, and lynch you when you get one wrong, or when you dry up. If you're a Made who's doing the investigating, then you could still be useful to the town if you give us your investigation results, although there may be a price to be paid if you manage to persuade a wise guy to join your work, or if you throw your Luca into the action. Still, that might be a price worth paying in the short term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
CR, if you still think Glenn is a Don, then why aren't you voting him?
And the reasoning for your vote on me is bad.
a) The rules don't say that someone who is being attacked cannot participate in other night actions. Remember : I got saved, so I could have performed my night action;
b) There are 75 other players who could have forgotten to send in their night orders.
Since I can need the protection against the Barzini's:
Select : Andres
Vote : Glenn
Did someone bother to investigate both Glenn and Jimbob?
:inquisitive:
So uh why are we voting for people during the night phase and the current day phase? I thought this was supposed to be a selection phase or am I missing something?
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Well, you are a little fast off the mark there Pannonian.
I did not disagree neither did I agree.
I want to know if you have that many contacts who will both form a protection group and an attacking group, and if that many people will want to waste an entire phase with one experiment.
Am I that important?
How many people here want to put in such a large effort to confirm me, and risk their own lives in doing so?
I will die, because no doubt the people who protected me will be involved in this as probable innocents. I can be fairly sure that I will be attacked every night until the end of the game now.
Moreso - Who is going to trust me enough to be the target?
At this point theres nothing I can say that will convince you that Im not Mafia so Im going to just be quiet and await my death.
We must both lynch someone and select a director.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
@ Tiberius - There are things you can do, like answer our questions about your PM.
Well, I have been receiving investigation results since yesterday. I shall share these with the town.
Night One:
Andres:Criminal
Night Two:
Jimbob:Innocent
Crazed Rabbit: Innocent
I promise you these are 100% accurate. There was no explanation why I received only one result for night one. Let me say that I am not a detective, I am a townie and I shan't reveal any information about my source, take the results or leave them.
Now, two major things from these. The first is that Andres should be lynched. The second is that it appears that Jimbob and Glenn aren't mafia...unless there is some other force at work here (the wolf in cap I could make guilty people appear innocent). But they are certainly liars:
I'm not sure what should be done with them. There might be some twist in the story that seamus put in that hasn't come to light yet. Right now I think our priority should be to lynch Tiberius and HannibalBarc(if kommudus's new metric works then we'd be foolish not to test it) today. Andres can't be lynched as he is director unfortunatly, so he can be taken care of tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I'll Vote:hannibalbarc to even things up (for double lynch) and will Select:Sasaki for director and would ask the rest of you to do the same.
Given that you're talked about so much, leaving you untested is going to derail all discussions while you're around, so using a couple of phases to rule you out should be worthwhile, especially since we can test other ideas in the meanwhile (eg. the killing group's towniness). If both protection efforts succeed, then you're both able to take part in protection groups, which it seems from Tiberius' role PM Mades cannot. In that case, we won't be able to test the killing group's towniness, but at least we'll have established your towniness. If either protection group fails, then one of you was a Made, and we can lynch both of you, while any watching detectives may then check the killing group's status. To test you, we need 6 volunteers: 2 for the protection group which you and jimbob will take part in, and 4 for the killing group. The victim can be someone like GH whom few trust and many suspect (pevergreen would have been the perfect example, but he's dead already).Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Okay, so just to clarify Omanes:
- Your two main arguments are my "feeble" defenses and the "evidence" against me. We'll further break down the "evidence" into two parts: Posting behavior and that one possible Detective result against me.
Regarding the first argument, you yourself say that:
And then you contended that it was consistent with my earlier patterns that were identified, which were defended, meaning WIFOM.Quote:
Feebleness is a matter of perception
Secondly, posting behavior.
That's not evidence. It's one massive WIFOM.
I could think of a thousand defenses and there's no way you can either pick them apart or realize that they're rock solid, and there's no way to tell whether I could be lying or not, so this part of your case against me is entirely subjective.
Thirdly, the "detective claim":
Thank you.Quote:
Of course this could make you a wise guy, and I'm not too sure about the result's reliability
Sasaki - I believe your results.
I will check my PM.. I may of done something as stupid as say we would instead of we may, in any case - you are probably all past believing that, or are you?
Wether you are or not, that part of my PM was red and I can't go back and quote it any more lest I be banned from the game.
I can only say I did not lie, but probably misquoted by a word.
I hope this confirms my investigation of CR, but it doesn't do anything for my suspicion of him.
I would like Kommodus and his Holmes to tell me what the opinion of CR is.
I believe you Sasaki, mostly because you have the same results as I, and because you are looking at multiple options, when there are others who would have simply nominated me a liar and bandwagoned me.
Pannonian, I reluctantly agree to this, but I wish you would of suggested it privately.
Everybody who is participating in this operation publicly is going to be a Mafia target, including you.
I would like to confirm my innocence to you this obviously, but I am worried that we are leaving everyone too vulnerable.
You may be killing alot of innocent people, including myself, but then again you may lynch me and alot of innocent people anyway - though it seems we are on the right track today.
If you can gather the right people, I agree, and I also await Jimbob's opinion, who is currently inactive.
Also - don't forget that Andres could be a wiseguy, Sasaki - we need more evidence.
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I don't like the way Tiberius simply gave up publicly in the hope someone else would pity him - I am the closest who has come to that for my own Day 2 experience - but I think he may be guilty of at least something, even if I can't claim what.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
which questions? all the questions ive attempted to answer have been met by "sound" reasoning that others have taken as gospel.
And I also find it weird that people accept Sasaki's results without question:gah2:
If Sasaki has access to a detective, then the original plan will do me fine without the need for any group actions. Perhaps I'm a dolt for doing so, but I'm trusting Sasaki enough in this game for this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
That just gave me a thought.
Sasaki, before anyone goes further on your investigations - why did you only investigate one person on Night 1?
As far as I know, you had no reason to suspect Andres then, nor any great reason to suspect CR on Night 2?
What were you reasons for suspecting these two?
@ Tiberius - Our questions are why you skip number 4 on your role PM and why something is phrased differently to how Seamus would phrase it.
I'm not sure about Sasaki's investigation, but I have a theory that he knows the FBI detective, who investigated him on the fist night(A popular choice) and perhaps Sasaki came up innocent. Seeing this, the FBI detective might have contacted him and used him as someone to communicate with the rest of us. Any thoughts on this?
Andres and CR are perennial suspects in Org Mafia games, as are Sasaki and Kommodus. Kommo has a fondness for fingering me as scum too. Together, we form a merry band whom everyone wants to lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Host's preliminary tallies: PLEASE CHECK as of 1800 EST.
Lynch Votes
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, Pannonian, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)
GeneralHankerchief = 2 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat)
Glenn = 2 (Andres, CountArach)
Andres = 1 (Crazed Rabbit)
Crazed Rabbit = 1 (Glenn)
Pannonian = 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)
Director Selections:
Andres = 2 (Andres, CountArach)
Abstain = 1 (Ajaxfetish)
General Hankerchief = 1 (GeneralHankerchief)
Kagemusha = 1 (Kukrikhan)
Louis VI the Fat = 1 (Tiberius of the Drake)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
I believe we should work for lynching two this night.
And since Tiberius is leading the votes, I am going to vote: Hannibalbarc. I am eager to see this new version of Holmes in action.
Let's see if Andres will do the honourable thing and lych both if we manage to get a tie.
Seamus, Sasaki voted for Hannibalbarc in Post #1056.
A few others did too, but they might have just been FoS's and I can't confirm it.
Ok.
What is Tiberius claiming to be?
If so, if he was a pro-townie role, he would of been sent two role PMs.
One to say he was a townie, one to say what his real role was.
The real role would be entirely in red.
I know I quoted something, or misquoted something I shouldn't have - but I didn't misquote 3 or 4 paragraphs.
Select Kagemusha. The only one so far i can trust.:smash:
I find it hard to believe that the FBI detective wouldn't have considered the fact that Mafia Dons also come up as innocent...Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
That would be a stupid move as there are 5 innocent Dons in this game...Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
@CA- since its highly unlikely that anyone will believe me, i dont know why I bother. But here it goes. The truth is i dont know why. But Seamus is after all human and he can make mistakes.
Please bare with me, 80 posts to read.
Now, I will vote:prole
Sounds like a random vote, but please prole explain why your vote on GH. Do you know something that we dont?
Select:present
Just to confirm presence.
I have a question, since I do not want to read again 10 pages. Was pever guilty? Thank you.
EDIT: I do not trust Sasaki. I think he is making the results, and for some reason (maybe because Sasaki is mafioso, Andres also, and there is a mafia war going on) he wants to lynch Andres. May Sasaki come and tell us the truth.
I find it hard to believe that the FBI Detective would not of used his full abilities on Night 1 - no reason not to have maximum evidence.
Nummumst iam dictum quod iam non dictum priusquam.
Seeing how Andres is criminal according to Sasaki and its pointless to vote yourself, select: Kagemusha
Hmmmm....
The first person to vote for someone else..
FactionHeir and Kagemusha - two very unknown players in this game, suddenly appear and one supports the other.
Then they slip back into the darkness.
I thought I might shine the torch on you two for just a moment.
So i am unknown player in these games.:laugh4: Glenn there are different approaches in to playing these games, not all support endless posting of basically the question: Are you mafia, are you guilty? Some of us read carefully and look for nyances, which others might miss, with their endless blabber.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Sack:Present
Select:Caius
There is a connection between FH, Kage and Sasaki. Just a feeling.
Looks scummy to post right after the target, but would it have helped if I had selected him after several others had?
Besides, he was selected by Kukri first, and it makes sense to select someone who already has votes.
It doesn't make sense, as it seems more a selection without reason than agreeing with Kukri.Quote:
Besides, he was selected by Kukri first, and it makes sense to select someone who already has votes.
I am not a detective, I did not investigate anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
JimBob did not correct you--he affirmed that was you said was true. There are too many holes.Quote:
I will check my PM.. I may of done something as stupid as say we would instead of we may, in any case - you are probably all past believing that, or are you?
What does Nummumst mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Yes, you forwarded the results. If you aren't one, who is it? And how do we know he is 100% accurate?Quote:
I am not a detective, I did not investigate anyone.
As far as I know, there isnt any kind of role that investigates with 100% accuracy.
It means nothing, strange word - I only learnt the phrase a little while ago.
"Nothing has yet been said that has not been said earlier."
Fair enough Sasaki, I accept that explanation, but I would like to hear your contacts if possible. How sure are you they are detectives?
I have my own detective contacts, and one has found a very surprising result on a trusted player here.
FactionHeir - I do like how you suddenly appeared and took that bait.
I doubt anyone else would have voted for Kagemusha, he has a bad reputation, and your reason was flimsy.
In fact, I would not of picked you up had you just written your selection alone.
Have I stumbled upon something that was meant to be secret and brief?
Once again you prove that you being alive is detrimental to the town. Telling us this does not do ANYTHING for the town. If you are going to reveal the result, reveal the result!Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Glenn, i appreciate your effort trying to throw dirt on me, without even addressing me. I would like to hear your explanation how i have bad reputation?Yes i have been successful mafioso, but i have also been very successful detective or townie in past games playing against the mafia, so please elaborate why no one in your opinion would not vote for me as director. One thing im not lacking is experience and that should be valuable for a director.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I want to, and you are doing nothing for the town by dogging me like some fleabitten terrier.
I'm helping the town by saying this, there is someone here who is getting very comfortable, and he isn't quite the detective.
The man himself can reveal the result if he deems it necessary.
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Exactly, Kagemusha, you have fine experience in being a Mafioso - this would come in handy for your family if you became Director.
Why are you so disturbed by a new player such as myself then?
No one should vote because nobody knows who you are.
People have more of an idea who I am than who you are, and they sure as hell aren't voting for me.
So thats your reasoning. It seems as solid as your defense´s about the holes in your efforts to describe your role to the town. I still think that with your inconsistency you are still one of the main candidates for lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
But that's your opinion, and I don't care for it.
See, I just wanted to poke you and FactionHeir and see which one came running out to join me in the limelight.
Isn't it beautiful out here?
Do you get a kick out of these power games? Of hinting that you know stuff, but not telling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Is anyone else losing patience with Glenn's many and varied claims? I'm starting to empathise with Ignoramus' quote in M3: "Even if he's innocent, he's a pain; so kill him."
So you are admitting to be mafia or something?Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
A bad townie is as much a threat as a good scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
and I think You are the most valuable player to lynch. You claim to have experience, and thats mafia experience. That's why you enter in my black list.
Unvote:prole
Vote:Kage
Ha ha ha ha!
Brilliant, this has worked so well that I'm going to post this in bold - FOR ANY INNOCENT PLAYER TO READ.
Pannonian was investigated and found criminal.
Note his reaction to possible suspicion.
Kagemusha and FactionHeir have banded together and come out into the public eye.
All three now want me lynched for my recent comments.
Well if you have read the previous games, you should know i have no problem being in the limelight. If you address me, you are sure to get an reply. Although as it seems we have both given our views about each other to both respectful parties, i think i will retire for the night as i cant see anything constructive coming out of your little jab against me. While you are at it, please elaborate, was it a townie protection group that protected you on the first night? Since to me that sounds very far fetched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Nobody knows who protected me on the first night.
In fact, and here's the truth.
Nobody protected me, I was just very lucky.
So if you are so comfortable with me in the limelight, why leave so soon?
It's so peaceful out here..
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Don't let my little experiment humble the suspicion of previous possibilites, but don't allow this moment to sink into obscurity.
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Oh, don't forget CrazedRabbit.
Unvote: CrazedRabbit Vote: Kagemusha
Some people have to wake up for work also, apart glowing in the "limelight". I will leave you to have your portion of attention.:2thumbsup: You were protected by luck, give me a break will you. No sane player will believe that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Can we please lynch Andres a.s.a.p.?
I've had my reasons for suspecting him since day phase 1.. and I do trust Sasaki. - Is this correct: Sasaki, you've been investigated by a detective, and then the detective saw you as 'innocent' and decided to contact you, and now you're coming forward, risking your life for town, by being contact between this thread and the detective?
ok, good work. people, don't worry about trusting sasaki, you can always lynch him later if he survives (I know, he always seems suspicious) but I trust him for now, and even think it'd be great to elect sasaki as director now, because that would mean protection from killings, so that he could keep up the work.
btw, I was about to say, FoS - CR. but, then I saw sasaki's post with the result innocent. however this doesn't rule out his guilt, eh? Were there other roles except for Dons that would show up innocent?
His campaign to lynch Glenn is just way too scummy.
scummy comment. I think what you're saying is nonsense.Quote:
A bad townie is as much a threat as a good scum.
btw, remember Glenn is reasonably new to mafia.. and (forgive me, Glenn) not the most 'common posting-guy' overall. slightly weird behaviour may be more excusable in this case. I think a potential strong pro-town shouldn't be lynched anyhow. btw, noticed so far - Glenn is almost begin murdered, remember? good chance he won't survive anyway.. would feel like a waste of the lynch to pick him..
reason?Quote:
I believe we should work for lynching two this night.
what? I, as detective, got 1 pm. so, what are you talking about?Quote:
What is Tiberius claiming to be?
If so, if he was a pro-townie role, he would of been sent two role PMs.
One to say he was a townie, one to say what his real role was.
gah, it's getting very irritating not begin able to vote, etc... next game I should stay alive little longer..
That could be because I'm a wise guy. From a PM to woad&fangs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Anything else you'd like to claim?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Very good Pannonian!
How do you explain Kagemusha and FactionHeir?
What do you plan to do as a Wiseguy?
For my own part, I think this post of yours is honest.
Which is why I was so astounded to find you criminal.
I don't believe this PM conversation made up, and I'm glad I have at least partly proven my own honesty to you.
So, as an honest man, what do you think of Kagemusha?
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Drisos, I meant as a pro-townie, if he claimed to be one - not a detective, (I meant if he claimed to be a special role.)
What ? Other than getting two baddies with one swing? It is possible you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
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Could anyone make a list of investigation results that we can keep and update as the game advances?
You may have partly proved your honesty to me, but it also occurred to me that Mades have the same investigative powers as detectives, hence my desire to have someone else corroborate your towniness. And as this round has gone on, I'm starting to feel it might be worth lynching you anyway for being a pain. As Myrdraal said in the last round, he was tempted to vote for you whatever your guilt or innocence, for his sanity's sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
And don't ask me to explain Kagemusha and Factionheir, I'm not a mindreader.
CrazedRabbit: Innocent
Andres: Criminal
Pannonian: Criminal
Omanes Alexandrapolites: Innocent
Glenn: Innocent
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These are the ones I've noted.
No, no that's right - Omanes has not been spoken of - not in public, yet his investigation result was innocent.
You can believe that as readily as you believe that Pannonian is a criminal.
Vote: Andres he was investigated and is a criminal.
Select: Present
What about GH? you mentioned his result was criminal if I am not mistakenQuote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Keep a bloody tally!!
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Select: Louis VI the Fat. Read my lips: 'no new taxes'. :yes:
I added up the tally until this post. See below:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
@Glenn. This a friendly tip:
Your posts may estrange people. For both quantity and content. You are an emotional player, I appreciate that. But you do not need to take everything personal, nor reply to everything, nor try to have the last word in every conversation. This is a role playing game. People do not question each other, they question their roles.
You're voting and selecting Andres at the same time? Are you one of the Barzinis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibalbarc
Voted, but fergot we were selecting directors today.
Select: TruePraetorian
Kommodus sure as hell didn't get it done...I know I will.
Besides, i'm my own best choice :beam:.
Choose me if you want but I don't see any other good candidates.
EDIT: Fergot that it wasn't a tie, sorry Kommodus you did fine :shame:
I say we test the new Holmes on this guy...Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
[edit]: The guy Pannonian quoted - Hannibalbarc
I know, but why was this time special for getting 2? Shouldn't you try getting 2 all the time? or 3? or 4?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
was it just a slightly weird formulation?
btw, I'm not really convinced by the points made against GH. I don't agree he should be lynched. we have better options..
edit: add hannibalbarc to the lynch list.. edit2: ok, possible misunderstanding of his post.. take him off the list again :P
I am not defending anyone here, just making an observation
I think we need to remember that a townie can show up as a criminal 1/6 times, even if he has done nothing the entire game. We need to take some of these investigation reports with a grain of salt, thats all.
As to Director I select: Abstain for now.
I imagine he's not voting anyone for director, just voting "present" to show he's here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
I don't think I'd trust Glenn even if I had proof he was pro-town.
Not at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
I want to test Holmes and I also wanted to vote for Tiberius.
We could throw any other into the tie ... but the best we have are criminals... not conclusive at all.
Oh, I thought gh was director, my bad, Select:GH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
I think somebody already did, btw how does it work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
the evidence against GH is conclusive? :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
You and Andres are just too guilty! :dizzy2: :dizzy2: :wall:
Damn... problem reading?? NOT conclusive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
Well, we lynch you, then we compare the autopsy with the Holmes analysis. Speaking of which,Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibalbarc
Unvote: Tiberius of the Drake
Vote: Hannibalbarc
I want to see the new toy in action.