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Originally Posted by Beskar

Maybe they did it to protect Pevergreen.

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There is equal chance of pevergreen being framed.

Either way, pevergreen will have to go soon.

What's interesting is that we've gone from one vote shift to two. We'll have to see if there's three tomorrow - if there is, we're in big trouble.

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Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan

strange, so why would someone change the vote? Pevergreen's looking really suspicious now. but then again, perhaps the mafia just want us to think that. this has to be some ploy to keep pevergreen alive, but then why? now we are all far to suspicious of him to let him continue living. honestly I dont know.

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Most probably to screw with our heads. Anyway, a lot of people had already voted for pevergreen, so unless a better target presents itself, I'm pretty sure he'll be voted in the next day.

Things to remember:

To the best of our knowledge, we need at least a 5 vote lead to guarantee a lynch.

Thus, we need more active players; the less people vote, the more powerful are the vote shifters. (Assuming they are two.)

Edit: Good point GH, I hadn't noticed that. Then again, we so many inactive players, perhaps one of the vote shifters was inactive. (Still assuming they are two here.)

My thoughts exactly. Somebody, or two somebodies, it seems, have abilities that allow them to change another player's vote, and both used them to protect pevergreen. In my opinion, this makes pevergreen look more scummy than he did before- if he was a vanilla townie, no one would strive to protect unless they were sure navarro was guilty- which, as we see, does not appear to be true.

Pevergreen should probably be lynched again tomorrow, and we need a majority of more than two next time.

EDIT: Bah, I was in referral to Beskar's post on the last page.

Although, I suppose if these players are mafia and have the ability regardless of what they do, they may use it just to screw with people's heads on days where there is no danger anyway.

but they must have realized that? I mean its such a obvious ploy.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

My thoughts exactly. Somebody, or two somebodies, it seems, have abilities that allow them to change another player's vote, and both used them to protect pevergreen. In my opinion, this makes pevergreen look more scummy than he did before- if he was a vanilla townie, no one would strive to protect unless they were sure navarro was guilty- which, as we see, does not appear to be true.

Pevergreen should probably be lynched again tomorrow, and we need a majority of more than two next time.

EDIT: Bah, I was in referral to Beskar's post on the last page.

Although, I suppose if these players are mafia and have the ability regardless of what they do, they may use it just to screw with people's heads on days where there is no danger anyway.

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Most likely two somebodies.

One for Caesarians, and one for Pompeiians.

We don't know that the vote shifting is done by mafia.

but then why do it? it only makes sense it would be the mafia. unless its pevergreens special, but that doesn't explain the second switch.

Well, there are 1 night kill and 2 other members.. we don't know their abilities, so it could be to make people switch votes.

...Whoa. What. Just. Happened.

The vote shifting was certainly done by two different persons. An old and a middle aged one. Also, navarro was from the Populares faction. From there we can either deduce that the vote shifters were Populares Mafia, and decided to kill navarro to save pevergreen who might be one Caesarian, or they were Optimates Mafia, who decided to kill one Populares follower to frame or save pevergreen, who might be of either faction, or they were townies who knew navarro was Mafia and decided to lynch him, though the write-up isn't quite that clear.

Navarro turns for his Populares colleagues to see if they protected them, which might imply being Mafia and expecting his buddies to step up to protect him, or it may refer to ordinary Populare Senators. And then running away, which might be either running away as a sign of trying to escape the town's decision (Mafia behaviour) or was simply running for his life (Townie behaviour). As to pevergreen, he might be good or bad, being framed or saved (Or simply irrelevant, in case if the vote switchers are townies).

Pever is mafia...the vote changes were made to cover his a**.

that could be, but only if he has something really important to do tonight. he must know he cant survive the next round, we are all closing in on him. so either Pevers being framed or he has something big planned tonight. or he's an idiot, take your pick. (don't take this personally Pever, I mean it like you were so desperate you made a dumb call)

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Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan

that could be, but only if he has something really important to do tonight. he must know he cant survive the next round, we are all closing in on him. so either Pevers being framed or he has something big planned tonight. or he's an idiot, take your pick. (don't take this personally Pever, I mean it like you were so desperate you made a dumb call)

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He'll take the capital P personal. Thats for sure.

??? I dont get it?

I love how the guy who doesnt even try to defend himself, then gets defended when it comes down to lynch by some force in the backround and he is left standing. Bad move guys...bad move.

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Originally Posted by navarro951

I love how the guy who doesnt even try to defend himself, then gets defended when it comes down to lynch by some force in the backround and he is left standing. Bad move guys...bad move.

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:brood:

It's not like it was the town that did it. Obviously, the two that shifted the votes were either mafia, wishing to support the mafia, or had some reason to believe that pevergreen was absolutely innocent. I would suggest one of the first two.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

:brood:

It's not like it was the town that did it. Obviously, the two that shifted the votes were either mafia, wishing to support the mafia, or had some reason to believe that pevergreen was absolutely innocent. I would suggest one of the first two.

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Town is also partly to blame, too few of us voted and many that did, abstained. (Me included :shame:) With our numbers if we decide to lynch someone, we can pretty much make sure it passes if many of us vote.

Like you say though, I don't think anyone defended pevergreen in the thread itself.

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Originally Posted by TheFlax

Town is also partly to blame, too few of us voted and many that did, abstained. (Me included :shame:) With our numbers if we decide to lynch someone, we can pretty much make sure it passes if many of us vote.

Like you say though, I don't think anyone defended pevergreen in the thread itself.

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my point exactly, he was given no defense AND someone helped save him...no argue mafia hands down.

I wish I could make a couple of pm's. :cry:

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I wish I could make a couple of pm's. :cry:

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Ya now you say that...:no:

Having your own little townie network was really cool. The kid inside of me was excited. However, it was cut loose from me too early, so I can only cry swett soft bitter tears.

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Originally Posted by Cultured Drizzt fan

that could be, but only if he has something really important to do tonight. he must know he cant survive the next round, we are all closing in on him. so either Pevers being framed or he has something big planned tonight. or he's an idiot, take your pick. (don't take this personally Pever, I mean it like you were so desperate you made a dumb call)

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I don't think he's an idiot but I agree that he has to go.

And sorry for my brief absence, RL got in the way.

Vote: No Proscription
I guess a pattern still fails to emerge between the 4 killings.

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Originally Posted by Cronos Impera

Vote: No Proscription
I guess a pattern still fails to emerge between the 4 killings.

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What are you doing, running around in the Senate in the middle of the night, voting and all? Does Rome pay double for working at night?

EDIT: Hmmm...

Vote : abstain

*** Waits for denarii ***

Guys its still night phase...

Sorry for not participating much but I'm a little swamped right now.

That is allright Senator Grey. We must await pevergreen and his defence of this situation before we can say anything. Rather then giving in to wild speculation. Anyway it is late at night and I must return to my villa. Will Cicero join me?

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Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder

That is allright Senator Grey. We must await pevergreen and his defence of this situation before we can say anything. Rather then giving in to wild speculation. Anyway it is late at night and I must return to my villa. Will Cicero join me?

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I'd rather have Flora with the platina vagina join me :sweatdrop:

Gah! I stayed up late all night waiting for Flora but she did not arrive!

It appears the town needs to vote in greater numbers to ensure our will is done...for my part ill ensure i get in something other than an abstain vote....

If this vote changing is something they have every round then they would use it every round... regardless of whether it was needed or not... what better than to kill one unconnected townie to you (navarro) and have the other one look suspicious as hell for tommorrows lynch (pever)

I would certainly do such a thing if i was mafia...

I think the most likely case is vote switchers are good guy(s). Vote switcher(s) thought navarro was a better lynch than pever...

and did Ichigo say he investigated someone... i thought we could only find out peoples faction rather than if thier mafia or not...

whoa. I was away for the weekend. Whats all this about vote shifting?