Doctor Willenloss and his splendid invention, or... [Concluded]

If there are 3/7, then a scum merely has to bus a partner and coast to victory. Or, convince townies to lynch each other

If there are three scum, there's no doubt that Arjos is one of them: none. If there are three scum, or even two, it surely doesn't matter which we lynch, right? We just need to get scum.

Regardless, I don't believe in worst cases. I believe this is a typical case.

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More resembling of an all-power role game or something similar would have three.

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Ironside and Daveshack are rather weak. Diana's role could only be useful in a very select few circumstances.

Unvote; Vote: BSmith

I've come up with a new set of orders. Wait'll you get a load of this.

:tired:

I would like to hear your arguments regarding Arjos.

I have been suspecting Chaotix more, and the reasons are the reasons I gave. But I want to hear why it could possibly be Arjos as well, to cover the bases.

Edit: I see that you're tired. Whenever, we have time.

Arjos is an odd-one-out. Never been scanned, and something about him just fit. The pattern of kills, as I had mentioned.

Chaotix: Arjos would be clever enough to have him blocked twice, because the scanner and watcher were not much of an immediate threat to him, and because he expected it to get Town to turn on Chaotix.

Who get's blocked twice in a row when their protectee isn't even hit, right?

Because the watcher is not a threat - or because the watcher is a scum-buddy. See it?

I can dig it. It would certainly fool me. Probably why I am still alive and so is Chaotix, then.

I think we can get enough votes on BSmith today, and remember that Arjos is likely bussing BSmith. Once Smithy is gone, Arjos can die, and we would have at most one left.

Who is the third baddie? Probably Ishmael for voting for Chaotix. Probably hoping I'd join in on my most tempting target.

I'll have you know I resisted the urge to lynch issaikhaan in the Campground, on the final round. I am not that predictable, you guys.

No sale. Chaotix lives, BSmith, Arjos, and Ishmael die.

Why on earth would I advocate for Ishamel’s lynch if he and I were both scum-buddies? That is an inconsistency I can’t get over, Pizza.

If I had to guess based on the past day’s conversation, I’d say the last three (if there are three) scum are Ishmael, Arjos and Pizza. You guys are trying your damndest to direct the lynch in a manner that is beneficial to a scum win. I fear that today is critical in who we lynch, and if I am the one that is lynched then it may well be impossible for the town to win this. Unless of course we can rewind time again and get a bunch of do-overs.

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Why on earth would I advocate for Ishamel’s lynch if he and I were both scum-buddies? That is an inconsistency I can’t get over, Pizza.

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I find it remarkable that certain folks have apparently never heard of "bussing", and furthermore, that they assume I would never perform such a maneuver, and in fact, that I spend my time never accusing my mafia teammates so that we can all be so easily outed as to simply say "Whoever Pizza never voted for is mafia".

You claimed Ishmael was your murderer and we know that he was not. It was the SK. Which means you aren't proven innocent AND YOU ARE LYING.

Bussing a partner outright with no suspicion on him (or oneself for that matter) in the first place is a very risky endeavor.

You are clearly over-simplifying my statements about Ishmael and then using that over-simplification against me.

All I know is what I have been told by the GM as a result of my watching your house. I have reported that information to everyone, and have made the best judgment I can based on the situation as it has been presented to me.

I firmly believe that either Diana or Ishmael is the one that killed me before time was rewound. Since Diana was night-killed, and it is fairly assumed that Robbiecon was the SK, I seriously doubt that she was the killer. That leaves Ishmael. There is no other way around it in my mind.

But it’s cool. Go ahead and lynch me. Congrats to the Mafia as well. You certainly deserve this win, having survived the mass role-reveal and playing this lynch perfectly.

Doom and gloom?

I wonder if anyone here has been around long enough to remember SkyNet and how often mafia on the spot claimed doom and gloom upon their lynch and began congratulating the mafia for winning.

Skynet was a system I developed which was essentially a database noting the behavior of mafia in vanillish games. Doom and Gloom was my note for behavior which attempts to dissuade townies trying to lynch them by playing upon the fear of loss.

In LYLO, we already know a mislynch is a loss. Fear-based tactics are not townie.

Didn't Yoda tell you fear of loss is a path to the dark side?

:rolleyes:

Re-read the writeup where you died again.

It's clear that you were doing something nonviolent that night, but information gathering for sure.

Mafia have a roleblocker and were also murdering, likely have a third member. A tracker or a watcher would be useful.... particularly a watcher because a watcher can catch town power roles in the act. Say, doctors, for example. Or the tracker.

You insist despite all evidence to the contrary you were killed by mafia, which would clear you, but it's simply not true, and then you claim that you saw your killer, which we know is false. You're the scum watcher.

If I am making this up, prove it. It's all in the thread. Pretty hard to dispute, rolleyes boy.

Honestly, I'm not sure what more I can do here.

Ignore any typos, I'm posting from my phone.

Might as well unvote; vote: Pizza.

What else are obvious scum tells? I'm sure I can hit a few more...

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Well, if BSmith is scum, that means we should have left him dead before. Remember he was nightkilled - although this was presumably by Igor, as he was the "choker" serial killer.

Which means it's entirely possible for him to be a communist, and that's not something I even really considered before. I figured the rewinded guys were pretty much confirmed innocent.

And if the evidence fits... I mean, improbable night results, me being blocked for no reason. Possibly the scum suspected I might have tried protecting someone other than who I was asked to (I'm more likely to do something like that than Arjos, I think).

Vote: BSmith

You do remember the last time I did this, right? Innocent as can be.

I've said what I have to say. Not sure that much else I can say will sway your opinion. Of course I suspect your opinion to be somewhat resistant to changing based on the fact that you are scummy as hell.

The two writeups have one person killing clearly because they enjoy it, and the other killing for the communist cause, with no ambiguity.

BSmith was killed by Igor, and probably figured if he could make us believe he was killed by mafia, that he was innocent therefore.

Also, Russian/Polish last name.

Obvious communist.

Pizza - What game was it where we went loggerheads against each other, all the while both of us were innocent?

I realize you're mocking the stereotypical scum tells, BSmith, not unlike many other actual scums have done. You're hardly pioneering there.

But in all seriousness. Why would a townie suggest that someone else killed them, when it can be proven to any townie, particularly you, that you were killed by Igor.

What townie has a motive to lie about that?

It's easy to mock the strawman, but its harder to mock the actual case on you, B.

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Pizza - What game was it where we went loggerheads against each other, all the while both of us were innocent?

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This kind of appeal is admirable, but desperate. We're not playing that game, and we're not at loggerheads. If you could prove to me that I'm mistaken, then I wouldn't have even been voting for you, I'd be voting for Arjos at this point.

But you are caught lying about your killer, it's done. Shake hands, good game, yes?

Time will tell. RL calls and I have to go pick up the kids from school. There is still time Today, so maybe I'll have time to get a more specific response to your last post while I am at work tomorrow.

People were debating fiercely what to do. But, it was in fact meaningless. At the high noon, time machine puffed and squeezed, and Ironside walked from it.
'Wait... what is happening? It seems that only a second passed... Is this machine working at all?'
'Ironside!' said doctor Willenloss. 'You were absent for almost two days! You traveled in time!
And now, it is time for me to operate the machine'.
'Not so fast, my love. I will not allow you to do it' - Adele Delacruse standed between doctor and his machine.
'And how are you going to stop me, darling?'
'With this gun, for example' replied Adele, producing small pistol from her purse.
'What? Are you one of this red swines? We will put you to order'
'I do not think so, doctor' – someone said behind Willenloss back. When he turned, he saw bodies of Eva Znanetzky and John Blake lying on the floor, and Fred with Adam Steiner holding guns in their hands.

BSmith is dead. He was Eva Znanetzky.
Chaotix is dead. He was John Blake.

'Long live the revolution!' yelled Adam Steiner and Fred, and charged in the direction of doctor Willenloss. Old doctor thought about last chance to save himself and ran to the time machine, despite Adele trying to shoot him. When he almost made it, Ironside hit him right into middle of face. 'For the party' – Ironside said, and that were the last words Willenloss heard before he passed away.

'The West is Red!' shouted Arjos, Ironside, Ishmael and Askthepizzaguy together. The time machine stood behind them, silently waiting.

Mafia victory!


List of players alive at end of game:

Montmorency
Arjos
BSmith
Chaotix
Ishmael
Askthepizzaguy
Ironside


Why I did not end game at beginning of this day, when there was 2 scum, 1 traitor and 3 townies? Because traitor didn't count when mafia victory was determined, and town fate was not sealed. If Montmorency decided to use time machine before it was fully ready, he and Ironside would die, and town would still have a small chance (one-day rewind).

Some comments:

1. Why so many mafia? (3 + 1) Well, I thought it was balanced by 3 main factors: a) every townie having some kind of power role; b) presence of serial killer; c) time-revelsal power at the town side. I feel that this power was enormous.
What didnt work? Again, 3 main things IMO: a) the most important role for town (not counting doctor Willenloss) – the policewoman – was lynched at day 1 and was not revived later; b) serial killer didn't kill any mafia member; c) Montmorency waited longer than he had to for using his power for the first time; if he used it at day 2, then he would be able to use it again before the game ended. And that will give town another chance.
Of course, town and mafia play was also very important. And I saw a few interesting moves.

2. Why Igor was so handsome/ why BSmith saw her killer? Well, because one of the Igor's abilities was that he was able to look exactly like his twin brother, professor Willess (I did not say they were twin brothers, I was afraid it would be too easy) EDIT: in fact, in family history description, I have written that they were siblings; Igor was only pretending his drooling and hunchback. So, when BSmith was killed, she saw face of professor Willess, and she saw the same face later.

3. Time machine: you can see its functions in role descriptions. As for risks: a) if someone used machine inproperly (either Willenloss used it before time was right, or one of his sons operated it), it would explode. It will kill person using it (with exception of Igor), and only rewind one day; b) if someone used minor function at the same time that major function was used, that person would die; c) if someone used minor function at the same time that Igor used his ability at him/her, that person would die.
If someone asked me anything about time machine (would it work for sure, can one be certain about exact results) I always try to emphasise unpredictability of it (even if it was 100% sure to work in certain way)

4. I made a few conditional events. For example, after death of both his sons, doctor Willenloss was able to use machine earlier than it was ready, but at great risk. If doctor was dead earlier than his sons, then assistants would vote if they want the keys for time machine to go into hands of Igor or professor Willess (if both sons of Willenloss were alive). And so on.

5. I regret that Igor didn't have opportunity to really use his special mechanics, and he had two of them (you will see it in the role description). I think now that I was too harsh for him – I should allow him to use his main ability at night 2 for the first time, not night 3

mafia qt:
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/Vf2DcN23MyjPU

Willenloss family history (doctor, professor & Igor get this info)
After moving with his wife to America, doctor Willenloss has become father of two sibling sons. One of them was named Adolf, the second one – Immanuel. Both boys were intelligent and ambitious. They both craved for father's praises. And they competed heavily with each other.
When the boys reached age of 18, they both felt in love. Unfortunately, they both loved the same girl. One day, tragedy that changed lifes of all family members happened. No one besides the brothers know details, but from this day Immanuel's body was distorted. When he walks, he drags his feet. He is hunching all the time. His mouth is always opened, and he drools. Most people believe that he is retarded. He decided to adopt nick-name 'Igor' for himself, and is known to others only under this name. At the same day Adolf escaped. For more than 15 years, he did not ever drop a line. He graduated from university, he had ph. d. in physics. He even changed his name, in order to sever his ties with family. After 17 years, doctor Willenloss found him and persuaded to come back – temptation of working at his time machine was too strong. But he still didnt say a single word to his brother.

Roles:
Name of character: doctor Willenloss
You love both your sons. You know that Igor is not as stupid as many people thing. You will like your sons to reconcile with each other. You also feel that you need to compensate Igor for his poor lot. You even make your will, in which you wrote that after your death, your sons should continue your work together.
Allegiance: town
Abilities: you can operate your time machine. You can use both major and minor function.
major: you reverse whole night and day, in fact even little more (e.g. if used at first half of day 3, it will 'rewind' time to beginning of day 2). Major function can be used only during first half of day. After using its major function, machine would be ready for another use of it when 4 days pass.
Minor: It transports user to the future: he/she disapears from the game. As a result user is protected, and cannot be voted for, but also cannot do anything, even post. It is used at beginning of night (the order should be send during night). For example, if player uses it at night 2, he appears back at the half of day 4. He is protected during nights 2 & 3, and absent during day 3 and first half of day 4. Be warned! If more than one person is using time machine during the same time (or if different uses of it overlaps), weird and dangerous things may happen. Beware of time paradoxes! All doctor assistants can use this function.

Name of character: professor Willess
You are afraid of Igor. You know he has reasons for vengeance, and you feel he has not forgiven you. You do not know if he is good or bad person, but you would feel more secure if he was dead.
Allegiance: town
Abilities: You are very intelligent and influential. You can scan one person every night, and learn name of this person. Also, you have second, secret vote that you can sent me every day.

Name of character: Igor (Immanuel Willenloss)
'They must pay. They all will pay. I will kill everyone. Especially my brother. I am not as stupid as they think.'
Others do not know it, but your hunching, drooling and mumbling is just a pose. When you want, you look perfectly normal, so normal than no one will recognize you. In fact, you look like a perfect copy of your brother...
Abilities:
1. You may decide if you want to look for all others like Igor or like professor Willenloss. If you would like to look like professor, all scanners will see you as him, in descriptions of night actions you will be described as him (but not descriptions of day events – voting), and even after your death your body will look as his. If you manage to kill him, you may made his body look like if it was yours – then I will write that Igor was killed, and from this point you will be able to assume Willess identity.
2. Three times per game you may attack another player at night and attempt to kill him.
3. You have also second power: you may put someones body into time machine and sent it into past...
In game terms: you name a player. At beginning of next day, his/her body is found. But it is also emphasised that this player is still alive! Then, there are two options: (1) if that player is lynched or killed by mafia, it is assumed you just sent his body into past, nothing more happens and you just lose that night; (2) if that player is not lynched or killed during two days, you can kill him during night. Nothing can block you or protect him – after all, we already know that you killed him.
For example: you use this power night 3 on Jarema. His body is found at beginning of day 4. If he is not lynched or nightkilled during days 4, 5 and night 4, then you can kill him as a night action during night 5.
You may made body 'appear' at nights 3, 5, 7, etc.
4. Last of your abilities: you are immune to night attacks.
Allegiance: Third party. You are a serial killer.

Name of character: Jane
You are one of doctor's assistants.
Allegiance: town
Role: assistant
Abilities:
1. you are able to use 'minor' function of time machine. It transports user to the future: he/she disapears from the game. As a result user is protected, and cannot be voted for, but also cannot do anything, even post. It is used at beginning of night (the order should be send during night). For example, if player uses it at night 2, he appears back at the half of day 4. He is protected during nights 2 & 3, and absent during day 3 and first half of day 4. Be warned! If more than one person is using time machine during the same time (or if different uses of it overlaps), weird and dangerous things may happen. Beware of time paradoxes! All doctor assistants can use this function.
2. you are cute. Once per game you may roleblock other person, but it would be effective only against males.

Name of character: Mike
You are one of doctor's assistants.
Allegiance: town
Role: assistant
Abilities:
1. you are able to use 'minor' function of time machine. It transports user to the future: he/she disapears from the game. As a result user is protected, and cannot be voted for, but also cannot do anything, even post. It is used at beginning of night (the order should be send during night). For example, if player uses it at night 2, he appears back at the half of day 4. He is protected during nights 2 & 3, and absent during day 3 and first half of day 4. Be warned! If more than one person is using time machine during the same time (or if different uses of it overlaps), weird and dangerous things may happen. Beware of time paradoxes! All doctor assistants can use this function.
2. 2. you are aggressive and in a good shape. Once per game you may attack one other player and kill him, but only if it is a male (you will not kill a woman)

Name of character: Mary
You are one of doctor's assistants.
Allegiance: town
Role: assistant
Abilities:
1. you are able to use 'minor' function of time machine. It transports user to the future: he/she disapears from the game. As a result user is protected, and cannot be voted for, but also cannot do anything, even post. It is used at beginning of night (the order should be send during night). For example, if player uses it at night 2, he appears back at the half of day 4. He is protected during nights 2 & 3, and absent during day 3 and first half of day 4. Be warned! If more than one person is using time machine during the same time (or if different uses of it overlaps), weird and dangerous things may happen. Beware of time paradoxes! All doctor assistants can use this function.
NO! In fact that is not true!
You are mafia!
Allegiance: communist movement (mafia)
Role: godfather (communist cell leader)
Abilities:
1. like described above
2. as long as you do not participate in mafia kills, you scan as an innocent. After death, your alignment will be described as 'not clear' if you never killed anybody

Name of character: Fred
You are one of doctor's assistants.
Allegiance: town
Role: assistant
Abilities:
1. you are able to use 'minor' function of time machine. It transports user to the future: he/she disapears from the game. As a result user is protected, and cannot be voted for, but also cannot do anything, even post. It is used at beginning of night (the order should be send during night). For example, if player uses it at night 2, he appears back at the half of day 4. He is protected during nights 2 & 3, and absent during day 3 and first half of day 4. Be warned! If more than one person is using time machine during the same time (or if different uses of it overlaps), weird and dangerous things may happen. Beware of time paradoxes! All doctor assistants can use this function.
NO! In fact that is not true!
You are mafia!
Allegiance: communist movement (mafia)
Role: doctor (cell leader's personal bodyguard)
Abilities:
1. like described above
2. you may protect another character during night. Three uses. There are situations, when it may not work

Name of character: Adam Steiner
Allegiance: MAFIA
Role: framer
Cover role: FBI agent - you can scan one player for his role at night; some players will give you false results (for example, serial killer may scan as a vigilante).
Abilities:
1. as described under cover role; 3 uses
2. you may made someone look suspicious for one night. 3 uses.

Name of character: Martha Burghes
Allegiance: Town
Role: Policeman
Abilities: you can scan one player for his alignment every night. Be warned: some evil players may scan innocent, and some innocent players may scan evil.


Name of character: Michael Connely
Allegiance: Town
Role: Tracker
Abilities: you can track your target and see whom he/she visits. Three uses. There may be characters immune to your ability


Name of character: Eva Znanetzky
Allegiance: Town
Role: watcher (peeping Tom – female version)
Abilities: you can watch house of your target and get answer to all this questions: was target visited by anyone? By man or woman? Was target at home? Is he man or woman?
[Host comment: all men - besides Igor in his monstrous form and doctor Willenloss - were handsome to her. You know, old lady who never have a good time with a member of opposite gender...]

Name of character: Ann Pferd
Allegiance: Town
Role: role-scanner (nosy neighbour)
Abilities: you learn name of character who you scan, and if he/she was doing something during night when you scan him/her


Name of character: William Lane
Allegiance: Town
Role: roleblocker (night watch)
Abilities: you can block one person during night. There are situations, when it may not work
[Host comment: it would not work against special ability of Igor]

Name of character: John Blake
Allegiance: Town
Role: doctor (professor Willess personal bodyguard)
Abilities: you can protect one person at night. There are situations, when it may not work
[Host comment: it would not work against special ability of Igor]

Name of character: Adele Delacruse
You are a former lover and a muse of doctor Willenloss. You know he admires you. But, in secret you despise him and wish him all bad things. Because, in your hearth, you are a communist.
Allegiance: communist movement (mafia)
Role: traitor
You are associated with mafia, yet not part of it. You know names of all communist movement members: . You win with them. They, on the other hand, know only that you exist and that you are a woman. Remember, communication outside of the game thread is prohibited, and you are not allowed to access their qt. Be careful! They may accidentally kill you. They will have limited ability to contact with you
Abilities: You may roleblock one person every night. There are situations, when it may not work

List of players and their roles:
1 Montmorency Doctor Willenloss
2 Diana Abnoba Professor Willess
3 Robbiecon Igor assistant (Serial Killer)
4 Brickfaced Jane Assistant
5 DaveShack Mike Assistant
6 Ironside Mary Godfather (mafia)
7 Arjos Fred Bodyguard (mafia)
8 Ishmael Adam Steiner Framer (mafia)
9 Xenoneb Martha Burghes Policewoman
10 Edse Michael Connely Tracker
11 BSmith Eva Znanetzky watcher
12 Nightbringer Ann Pferd role-scanner
13 NinjaCow William Lane roleblocker
14 Chaotix John Blake bodyguard
15 Askthepizzaguy Adele Delacruse traitor

feel free to post now

Argh, didn't get to post awesome songs in character :P

*puts his ushanka on*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr3qMORtM5M

MWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA..... BAH HAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!

:evil:


Flawless victory, and I couldn't even communicate with my teammates. Nice to be able to say hello to you guys openly for the first time.

High five.

I will read our quicktopic before I go to work, but I won't be able to post until afterward.

Nice game. Epic victoly.

Btw Pizza in this last day phase made me laugh so much XD

I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT

Lol you guys really had no idea it was me for the longest. I love that.

My poker face fools my own teammates.

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Arjos, Ironside, Ishmael and Askthepizzaguy

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if there are three commies - four scum in 15 players is something you would pull, or Zack, or Visor, but never Jarema - then you are scum with Ishmael and Arjos.

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Well, at least I got that. Jesus, no wonder Ironside willingly went off. Wow.

Four Commies? You had a recruiter, didn't you? No wonder Pizza was never going on and on about possible recruiting abilities.

I won't misjudge you again, Jarema.