And why there was only one tonight then? (according to TC, both him and the mafia targeted the same)
If you believe him, lynch him and avoid that second night kill again...
Still add a plus 1 above and the story doesn't change...
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And why there was only one tonight then? (according to TC, both him and the mafia targeted the same)
If you believe him, lynch him and avoid that second night kill again...
Still add a plus 1 above and the story doesn't change...
This rings warning bells in my head...Why would the scum hold back? Did they really think we would buy them all being lynched if they took the night off?:laugh4:Quote:
The townies are the innocent people and they have to lynch the mafiosi during the day. The mafiosi will kill two townies each night (in this game, the mafia has two kills each night, regardless of with how many they are. This means that if one mafioso is lynched, the mafia will still have the ability to kill two players each night). When all mafiosi are lynched, the townies win. When all townies are dead, they lose and the mafia will have won.
Either they are dead and TinCow is lying about killing Don E or The scum are just not that active/quick to check the rules. :book:
It's a victory for town in any case.:grin2:
I seem to remember that they had to focus in order to kill the Don, thus not killing again.
Look - if Tincow is Mafia there is nothing to lose in checking his story.
If he is telling the truth it is best to check his story and lynch a suspect.
Only if he is lying but is not Mafia is there any problem. This is the least likely scenario of the three since Tincow gains little by lying if he is not Mafia.
You either lynch TinCow or Darth. Darth has pretty much already given himself away.
Where does it say this? I only saw the one where it said they had to kill all the bodyguards before killing Don E.
Your not a bodyguard...how do you know that they could only focus on Don E and skip killing anyone else for that night?:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCows results
As I said, gag the ghosts and carry on with these two lynches nice and easy XD
Just cause you didn't follow me last phase, doesn't mean that you can shut me up Arjos. :no:
After looking over everything I think TinCow is the only scum left. Because the game won't end until he escapes or is lynched. I think he was really counting on Csargo not being scum, so this way he could kill Don E and blame the scum for it and escape tonight. It makes no sense why the scum would just stop killing unless they are dead.
Vote:TinCow
vote:tincow
I have a lot to read, but had to say Visor has it right, this is me as town, Riedquat's riedquatness :laugh4:
Btw, my co-worker here at the office, Fernando Delgado also wants Tincow dead :laugh4:
Ok, your opinion. Mine we should lynch him, wimpazoid or not.
When I'm mafia I won't speak my obscure and scummy mind so easily, take that for sure! But regardless of who is lynched next phase I'm terrified with the thought of the game continuing...
As it is clear I will be lynched, I will take this opportunity to do a full game commentary on this game from my point of view, complete with all of my actual actions and information. You may ask why I am doing this, and my motives are three-fold. First, my role is very clearly not mafia-allied. I was strongly encouraged to avoid killing innocents and was warned of penalties should I do so. As such, it seems more consistent with my role to aid the town rather than the mafia when that choice is thrust upon me. Second, I'm pissed at the mafia. I was certain I'd be reading about my victory in last night's write-up and instead found myself having already lost the game. So, this is me thumbing my nose at the last survivor. Third, I believe this may be the first time a scum has ever given a full game commentary and review while still alive. That amuses me enough to do it.
First, my role. I am specifically forbidden from posting any section of my role PM or even "alluding" to my role. As such I cannot do anything of the sort. I can tell you about my objective and abilities though. As I said, my objective was only to kill the Don, accomplishing it however I could. I was allowed to kill the mafia or leave them alive, whatever I thought best. At the start of the game, I was able to do one of three actions at night. (1) Scan four people, getting completely accurate results on each; (2) kill one person with fibre wire, with a risk of failure or death if that person was a mafioso; and (3) drug one person, which would leave them alive but prevent them from making any night actions for five nights. Drugging would also disable a bodyguard's protection on the Don, allowing me to kill the Don with the bodyguard still alive. I decided immediately to completely avoid the mafia. There seemed to be little benefit for night kills on them when I risked failure or death. In any case, I had to get with scanning to do anything anyway, so that's where I started. Here are my actual Night results in the correct order. In a few spots Andres' responses referred to my role name, so I have redacted those sections to comply with the rules I was given.
N1: I let random.org pick my investigations.
Night 1 was interesting for two reasons. First, I found a mafioso right from the start. Second, I got an item. I had no idea the game even had items, so that was a surprise to me. As it turned out, I would get an item every time I scanned a mafioso or a bodyguard. The items from mafioso aided me in killing, while the items from the bodyguards aided my survival. Day 1 Nightbringer got lynched, which I found to be both amusing and sad.
N2: I scanned the people who lynched Nightbringer, because they clearly weren't scum and thus their odds were higher of being bodyguards and I needed to find the bodyguards more than I needed to find the mafia.
The King dies the same night I scan him, so I count myself lucky and cross off one person I have to deal with later.
Day 2 was forgettable and I can't remember anything about it worth commenting on.
N3: I scanned specific targets, finding it irresistible to not know what was up with some of my favorite players.
Bingo! Big night there. A bodyguard and a mafioso, plus more useful items. I started getting ideas about the sniper rifle immediately, but more on that later.
Day 3 was a big one for me, because of ACIN. At this point in the game I had seen the mafia active for 3 nights in a row, and they had killed 2 each night. Since the sign-ups were below what Andres' goal was, I therefore concluded that there were only two mafioso. This was a belief I would hold up until N6 and it totally screwed me up. However, I operated under that assumption for a while. As a result, when ACIN started to look like a serious lynch candidate I got very concerned. I thought that if he went down the mafia were done and I would be playing solo with no more mafia kills to hide in and eliminate targets. So, I engineered the GH lynch specifically to save ACIN. It worked, and I was very pleased with myself though it turns out this was an error.
N4: My vote choice is explained in full in my orders:
Nothing of use there for me, but that's why Riedquat and Csargo never got investigated by me. I concluded they weren't likely bodyguards and bodyguards were the only people I cared about finding.
Day 4 was just me coasting and trying to hide amongst the masses.
N5: I submitted orders before the tie was even decided, because it was irrelevant to me:
Woo! I found the last bodyguard. 'khaan had been disposed of by the mafia at some point I can't be bothered to check now, so autolycus was the only person standing between me and the mafia. As such, I started to scheme.
Day 5 was another biggie for me. Since I'd IDed the last bodyguard, I decided that it was time to start moving towards my endgame. At this point, the mafia became more of a liability to me than a benefit, because there was always a chance they would try and kill me at night. Even though I could now survive the attempt, I was concerned that the write-up would show my survival and thus publicly out me as the special role. I believed it was obvious that the special role was not pro-town, so that was a big no-no in my book. In addition, going after an actual mafioso is always a good way to gain townie cred. As such, I sparred with Arjos for a bit just to avoid going right for the kill, then turned on ACIN when I found an opening. The result was exactly what I wanted, and he got lynched. At that point, I believed I was the only scum left alive.
N6: I decide to kill autolycus. I went for a kill instead of drugging him because I thought the mafia were all dead. I thought the town would conclude that the mafia had been eliminated if the kills dropped to 0, and I didn't want them thinking that. I figured a single kill instead of two would confuse the town, but that they'd think the mafia were still alive. So, I went with that instead of drugging. Killing didn't matter to me anyway because bodyguards didn't count as an innocent for my role and thus I could kill him with no penalty. I chose to use the sniper rifle for a very specific reason:
Day 6 was a big surprise for me. The first thing I noticed was that Andres has put in a large section about dog-walkers all over my kill of autolycus. That was Andres taking a dig at me for talking about the fact that I hired a dog walker in this thread. I freaked out, thinking that someone would remember that and thus connect the kill to me, so I complained about it to Andres. Andres edited out an entire paragraph of the write-up t compensate, before we both realized that the majority of the conversation I was remembering was done via PM, not in the thread. We both concluded that I was being paranoid. The second thing I noticed was that there was very clearly a third mafioso left alive, since the double kills continued. I wasn't greatly concerned by it because I knew the Don was now unprotected, I thought the mafia didn't know that, and the fact that there was an actual mafioso left alive made it easier for me to hide because I could do legit scum-hunting to act townie, as aided by my investigation results. Hence my pursuit of Riedquat that day. Unfortunately, the smattering of votes I'd been getting throughout the game finally started sticking. It became clear I was going to be lynched, but I figured I only needed to survive the day and then I had won the game, so I prepared a reveal that would cover up my N6 kill by changing my scan results to 3 per night and re-arranging them to fit my in-game actions. For example, I showed that I IDed ACIN later than I actually did so that it wouldn't be clear that I had saved him with the GH vote. I also removed The King from the list to hide his identity from the mafia. Other re-arrangings were done to make it fit better with my in-thread posts and votes. I actively added GSC to the list when I never scanned him at all, though I knew that result was accurate since I had already IDed everyone except a single mafioso, which meant I knew that all the un-IDed deaders were townies as well. The one mistake I made was that I didn't move Arjos' result late enough in the list, making my attacks on him questionable. Arjos totally nailed me on that during the day, which had me pounding my head against my desk at my own error.
When I revealed, I expected that in N7 I would kill the Don and the game would be over, at least for me. So, I gave absolutely no thought whatsoever to surviving this day phase and did not adapt my reveal to give me any way to explain myself today. This was a massive error, and it cost me the game. I was so puffed up at the thought that I had won that it never occurred to me that I still had competition left. I believe now that I am personally responsible for my own loss, because I IDed autolycus as the last bodyguard to the mafia. They weren't investigating, so they had no clue who they were killing, thus they couldn't have known that autolycus was a bodyguard. However, they probably knew who they killed from night results like I got. That meant that they knew that they had already killed two bodyguards. Thus, when I stated that the autolycus was a bodyguard, the mafia knew all bodyguards were dead. As a result, the final mafioso submitted orders to kill the Don. It never crossed my mind for a moment that this could happen, nor that even if it did the timing of order PMs would be determinative.
N7 Orders: I believed these were the orders that sealed my victory, I did not expect to even be in the game for this day phase, let alone to have failed at killing the Don:
This PM crushed me. Because of the nature of my reveal in the previous day, it was utterly impossible for me to kill the entire town and the remaining mafioso. While I like to play to win, this one I immediately saw was impossible and I put no effort into trying to figure it out at all. I lost due to my own foolish assumptions and my own hubris, and I decided to take the loss like a man instead of making a farcical attempt to explain away the impossible.
And so, here we are. My investigation results remain legit. The last mafioso is one of Riedquat, Darth Feather, and JHT. I've posted all of this to try and convince the town to believe my results and not discard them, because at least if the town wins then I can blow a raspberry at the mafia for having beaten me by getting their orders in slightly faster. That'll give me some satisfaction. Since you are clearly going to lynch me today, you are still going to see the mafia killing tonight. They will probably drop their kills to 1 because, by my calculations, they have to survive 3 more lynches (including today) even if they kill 2 each night. So, might as well drop 1 tonight to confuse you, and then resume 2 afterwards. In any case, all the kills will come from people I have down as innocent because the mafia knows my list is legit and knows that you will eventually believe me. Since you are lynching me today instead of one of the three suspects, it is now impossible for you to lynch all of the suspects. You will only get two more lynches after this one, with three possible suspects. Choose wisely, and good luck.
I never thought I'd be glad for the mafia to kill a townie. :laugh4: (Because now town can win)
You played a great game TinCow, shame about the loss. (Though I'm still smarting at how the townies let you survive with the reveal and your (to me) scummitude).
Couple of things, you yourself are the best discrediting yourself! You wanted to kill poor Fernando, you attempted to do it, you lied to us and still attempt to judge our mood, do you think I'm being aggressive? Again, you admittedly attempted to kill our benefactor! I want to eat your heart while you are still alive... dude that is just mildly aggressive in my standards, you just need to listen to me dealing with the phone company... that is aggressive!
RiedQuat, with the Q of Quijote! If game continues eventually it will happen anyway, have a nice requiem!
:bow:
You sir - are an awesome townie - even when you are an SK
unvote
Vote: Riedquat
Ugh.. ok, first let me tone down a bit my previous declaration, will accompany your heart with crude onions and a bit of garlic!
About the innocent list, I just shared a bit of my townie paranoia, nothing more and nothing less, aiming to lynch somebody from the innocent list at this point is in-practical, the doubt about me, DF and jht will remain.
And you must agree with me here, whoever producing so amazing wall of text should be lynching without any kind of contemplations.
:bow:
I'm glad my hunting senses were right, I felt something wrong with your posts since that "let's get on with the real thing now"...
Honestly on D5, if ACIN wasn't up for the lynch (after his usual "too busy nonsense"), I wouldn't have unvoted you XD
And I second Visor's comment about everybody else letting you live: you sir, must be one hell of a lawyer ^^
Lynch Darth Feather plz
Nah, just kill Tincow. He admitted of being a serial killer. If we do not win the game when he is dead, you can lynch me and hand the mafia (probably) a victory.
Lynch the feathery one!
His turn will come...we have plenty of lynchs for the both of them.:skull:
There are two things that no matter how I look at them, make TinCow look like the only remaining scum. First, he revealed who Don E was publicly. He could have only IDed the bodyguards and that would have been enough. For someone who seemed so intent on killing Don E before the other scum, he sure fumbled his plans at actual keeping that prize for himself. It only leads me to think TinCow killed Don E but now has to kill town as well and even he thinks it is impossible at this point and is only buying time before he is lynched.:book:
Second, why would the mafia not take that second kill after Don E? We have a nice list of confirmed innocents to kill there and they just thought to take the night off to let TinCow be lynched? The writing was already on the wall for that...and you even stated the mafia would drop to 1 kill after tonight, which would only mean they are giving another lynch to town. Now that is crazy....:crazy:
Two things - (1) Don E was a publicly known role (Cornelius, then Edse I think). The whole point was that everyone knew who he was - Tincow didn't reveal his identity.
(2) Mafiosi don't need a list of innocents to kill - they just need to kill everyone who isn't themselves. Who knows, they may drop to a single kill - hell I considered doing it in a previous game (one's GH's classic games) just to confuse people. Tincow is mathematically correct - whether they kill one or two they will need to survive the same number of lynches...
Killing Tincow first is clearly not in the best interests of the town...
TinCow seems to think they well...and with that they give us one more lynch because of not killing someone after edse. If they don't start clearing that list ASAP the chances of getting lynched increase. I still don't buy someone doing that...I once did early-game and I felt it in the end-game. Confusion and WIFOM would not cut it at this point and I still see no reason they would hold back from killing people on that list. If they also skip tonight, that's one lynch that they added.:whip:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
As for the Don E thing, I screwed up writing that. What I meant was TinCow could have said "someone else is Don E" even me. It would have killed me and keep the prize for himself but he didn't because there is no mafia left, only him...he couldn't lie like that when he would be proven wrong.
Edit: Andres had a fake role like that before in "Swords in the moon" where one person was publicly known but was just a meatshield, I really doubt it didn't cross TinCow's mind.