Roman: Brutii

Thanks for the replies folks.

Well, things worked out for the best. I got a message saying that the people wouldn't mind if I attempted to take over Rome so I figured it's always best to have the initiative and moved two full stacks back to Italy and moved on Rome by surprise. They only had a few units defending and went down quick. Audit that you senate bitches!

I had restricted the Julii to provinces only in northern Italy so I managed to sandwich them and with the help of some well placed bribes, eliminate their faction a few turns later.

The Scipii are proving rather more difficult. They have some large stacks of quality troops and have done a good job of expanding across northern Africa. I have now removed them their presence from Italy, including Sicily but just when I thought things were in control, the back stabbing Egyptians violated our long standing alliance and attacked my cities in the East.

I now have the former Greek cities and most cities in Italy cranking out high quality troops and as you suggested gmjapan, I have all but used up my antiquated troops in battle. The Egyptians seem to have run out of steam and I’m a few turns from getting some serious reinforcements to the area after which I expect their empire to unravel. I have had a lot of success bribing away their armies. In battle I find the Egyptians to be extremely aggressive but often foolishly follow retreating troops into my front lines and we all know how effective Roman infantry is in that situation. They hold and keep them pinned while archers pound them and the cav hits their rear. Chariots gave me a bit of trouble at first but flaming arrows mess them up badly as do peltasts and velities with skirmish mode off (if you don’t mind taking some casualties).

Anyway, I think this campaign is all but wrapped up now, just another 9 provinces and it’s mine. Thanks again for the help everyone. I’ve had a great time and I’m looking forward to playing with some of the other factions once my work is done with the Brutii. If anyone has any questions about how I ran my campaign then please don’t hesitate to ask.

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is it just me or are the brutii rediculously easy? not only having roman units but being able to easily take greece and become an economic power house very quickly is so much easier than the julii where gaul isnt the most profitable of places.

in my brutii campaign my two home cities were making 3000+ per turn within 15 years. athens is currently my new capital as it is the central of my empire now, but it makes 4300 or so per turn, with most of the rest of the greek cities around 1000-2000 per turn. i have low taxes in almost all of the settlements along with most of them almost at 24000 population.

its around 215BC and the marius reforms have started. the greeks and macedonians are gone, the dacians have 1 more territory about to be sieged, the thracians have 2 more which will also be sieged soon, and im taking over two cities that rebelled in sythia. i plan to finish off sythias other 3 territores as it wont be too hard. the seleucids are also gone i think, and after i finish off the rest of the area above greece, i am debating as to wether or not go after egypt or germania/gaul.

any suggestions on which route to go?

BTW-im currently making about 35000 per turn. every single settlement possible is full que with buildings and units and ive bought all possible mercenaries yet i still have about 550,000

awisler: it really depends on what you want. if you take on the barbarians, it is a slightly easier fight, you get to cut off the area where the julii will no doubt expand into if left alive, but it is less profiable. egypt on the other hand, is more profitable, here you can cut off the scipii, but the fight will be a bit harder. IMHO, i would divert most of my forces to egypt, but send some small armies of good troops into the north to harass them, and with a good enough flow of small armies, you could take a few cities. But i would suggest egypt for the long run profits.

yea thanks for the help, i think ill go with egypt, i dont really need the profit but i have never actually fully destroyed the egyptians, i tend to finish my julii/scipii campaigns by the time i get alexandria.

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Originally Posted by aWisler

is it just me or are the brutii rediculously easy? not only having roman units but being able to easily take greece and become an economic power house very quickly is so much easier than the julii where gaul isnt the most profitable of places.

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I don't think roman units alone are such a great advantage in R:TW. Only post-Marian roman cavalry really stands out. The infantry is all within the limits of what can be beaten. Phalanx armies can beat the Romans in an infantry to infantry matchup, and most other factions have a trick or two up their sleeve roman infantry alone cannot counter, be it cavalry, missile, or special troops like Elephants or Chariots. Roman cavalry units are something to look out for, though. They are just too strong, which is ahistorical and also detracts from gameplay. In conjunction with the admittedly very good roman infantry they're unstoppable. So what makes the roman military powerful is the combination of very good infantry (which still can be beaten; historically correct) with some of the best cavalry in the game (which is very hard to beat; historically faulty). On top of that, they get long-range archers (which is just plain ridiculous historically) and the widest variety of siege engines (which makes a lot of sense historically).
The Romans are rigged to have an unbeatable military if they use a lot of cavalry, but also to rely heavily on infantry if used by the AI. When playing Romans, using their über-cavalry seems very very cheap to me. Not using it heavily makes for more interesting challenges, as the infantry units are versatile and tough, but not all-powerful.
In pre-Marian times, the roman military actually doesn't stand up to a well-formed Macedonian, Seleucid or Carthaginian force. Even barbarians like the Gauls can get their elite units quite quickly. If the AI used Phalanx armies better, conquest of Greece and the Balkans would be very hard indeed when playing the Bruti, making them the hardest roman faction, in spite of their fantastic temple options.

Well I don't think Phalanx armies could be Roman Infantry in a infantry vs. infantry mode. In Phalanx mode they are far too slow so it's easy to flank them. While out Phalanx mode they are very vulnerable for the Pila of the Romans

Depends on how you keep the Phalanx army together. It's not necessary to present any flanks...
As for the pila, they will cause a few casualties, but what after that? The romans can't pass the spear wall, and will rout quickly. It worked when I had the Phalanx, so why shouldn't it work when a (hypothetical, Phalanx-savvy) AI controlled it? Of course Phalanx units are not very mobile, but they present a fantastic way of shaping the battlefield to their commander: A semi-mobile obstacle, one side of which can kill. Everything else must be taken care of by others: missile troops and cavalry.

you have to make a complete circle with your men...or at least a half circle. keep any non phalanx (such as mercs) defending your exposed flanks. Keep all archers behind your phalnx, but stop them from firing as the enemy gets to close. Keep your cavalry (if you have any) behind them, and send them out to destroy the enemy when they are routing. THE ultimate way to kill romans...NEVER AUTO-RESOLVE!!!!(or else the romans are sure to win.

Well that's a way if you're defending with the phalanx when it's infantry vs infantry but if you're attacking you'll have a big problem. When fighting against AI Phalanx I always split my troops in 3 so it's easier to see what all the phalanxes are going to do. If there are woods I use them as cover to flank them since they are invisible when hiding.

In my Brutii campaign, I discovered a couple of new things that are extremely profitable.

When the campaign starts ignore the senate mission (you have 10 turns to do it) and take your entire army to Athens (Athens is controlled by Rebels at the begining of the campaign).

You need to seige Athens within 3 turns or the macedonian army will beat you to it and they will get Athens.

I managed to get control of Athens in the 4th turn (lay siege in 3rd). Athens provides significant financial boost to the economy.

Now you can get back to taking over apolliana.

Another nice trick is to place a diplomat near carthage.
When ever the scipii are seiging lilybaum propose an ailliance with carthage (always refuse their 1st offer and they will come back with a bigger one) and usually you can get around 6000 - 9000 dinirii. This causes all the other roman factions to declare ceasefire with carthage (which is why they pay you so much for an alliance).
Ofcourse scipii will try to take lilybaum again in a couple of turns so you can repeat the same.

I managed to repeat this about 7-8 times every 2 turns before carthage started refusing alliances.

Hope this helps.

Hmm interesting strategy. I'll try it. Thanks

As an alternate to that:

I took my Brutes to Appolonia, slowly, via Salona, one to Syracuse, and also sent another force to Kydonia.

Ended up taking App about turn 8. Dip got an alliance with Mac.

Kydonia went on turn 7, and just after that point I was told to take Pergamum.

So the Kydonia force was sent to Pergamum via Halicarnassus and Rhodes. Just made it in 10 turns with lots of mercs to help.

My syracuse siegers "helped" the Scips, but then initiated the assault and kept the city.

My Greek islands force acquired Crete, Rhodes, Hali, and Pergamum (and treaties with Pontus, Egypt and the Seluecids to have time to rebuild.

My Appolonia force took Salona, Appy, and after some hard field battles got Thermon as well.

End result: ONLY Sparta remained to the greeks by 259BC. Picked it up later.

here is a current brutii campaign.i assaulted corinth, took it. but then the macedons came back with 2 full stacks. one under 2 generals assaulted athens.
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a reserve of 6 or seven cavalry rushed to the gate, hoping to break my hoplites and take the city. my merc hoplites were able to withstand their assault, and a pool of dead horses littered the gate way.
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the results, one of their two full stacks vanquished, with both of the generals commanding it dead.
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after destroying the last full stack, their military forces are but a shadow of what they used to be.
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i took larissa, but it had the plague. i lost my best general to the plague, but now my best manager who was like a brother to dear vibius brutus has gone on a rampage through macedon, earning the nickname cassius the wrathful.
DEATH TO THE INSOLENT!!!!!!!

(sry by the large post, the pics are rather large.)

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I don't think roman units alone are such a great advantage in R:TW. Only post-Marian roman cavalry really stands out. The infantry is all within the limits of what can be beaten. Phalanx armies can beat the Romans in an infantry to infantry matchup, and most other factions have a trick or two up their sleeve roman infantry alone cannot counter, be it cavalry, missile, or special troops like Elephants or Chariots. Roman cavalry units are something to look out for, though. They are just too strong, which is ahistorical and also detracts from gameplay. In conjunction with the admittedly very good roman infantry they're unstoppable. So what makes the roman military powerful is the combination of very good infantry (which still can be beaten; historically correct) with some of the best cavalry in the game (which is very hard to beat; historically faulty). On top of that, they get long-range archers (which is just plain ridiculous historically) and the widest variety of siege engines (which makes a lot of sense historically).
The Romans are rigged to have an unbeatable military if they use a lot of cavalry, but also to rely heavily on infantry if used by the AI. When playing Romans, using their über-cavalry seems very very cheap to me. Not using it heavily makes for more interesting challenges, as the infantry units are versatile and tough, but not all-powerful.
In pre-Marian times, the roman military actually doesn't stand up to a well-formed Macedonian, Seleucid or Carthaginian force. Even barbarians like the Gauls can get their elite units quite quickly. If the AI used Phalanx armies better, conquest of Greece and the Balkans would be very hard indeed when playing the Bruti, making them the hardest roman faction, in spite of their fantastic temple options.

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Actually the problem isn't so much that the Romans are exceptionally powerful as the other factions are exceptionally weak.

It is not particularly incorrect for the Romans to have a decent post-Marian cavalry force, because historically the Romans recruited cavalry in auxiliary alae (wings) from allied tribes known to have good horsemen; for example, the Alans. Roman Cavalry are about where they should be in turns of power, although admittedly they shouldn't really be called "Roman Cavalry", but something like "Roman Allied Cavalry" at least. Legionary Cavalry is not correct, but I've seen them so rarely that I don't usually care. Praetorian Cavalry are also correct; the problem comes the ability to recruit them everywhere. Try removing Legionary Cavalry and making Praetorian Cavalry only recruitable in Rome, and then complain to me about Roman cavalry prowess :2thumbsup:

The Romans having good archers is also not incorrect. Like cavalry, auxiliary archers came from groups known to be good with a bow; in the case of archers, many came from Syria, and they were very good at their job.

The problems arise from elsewhere. Companions in particular and Macedonian Cavalry are too weak because the charge stats are messed up; Gothic Cavalry and Sacred Band Cavalry are almost never seen because the Germans and Carthaginians respectively are usually beaten before they can be recruited; I've rarely encountered Cataphracts because the only factions that can use them are weak and easily knocked out early in the game by Egypt :egypt: , meaning that even if the factions survive they usually lack the infrastructure...

The only factions that realistically can seriously contend with Roman cavalry units in a campaign game are Scythia and Egypt :egypt: (I'm not counting Britain's chariots). As the former is usually just a nuisance and not a full military target, and Egypt :egypt: is absurdly imbalanced and tends to use chariots anyway...

The same thing applies to archers: Eastern Archers should be far and away the best archers in the game, or at least way up there; the fact that they're not even contenders makes their host factions too weak; Greek Archers at least are supposed to suck; Cretan Archers are too rare to make any real difference; Gaul and Germany, who have the implausibly powerful Forester Warbands and Chosen Archers respectively, are invariably crushed before these units can make any impression on the battlefield (Chosen Archers in particular are vastly underrated); Scythia's archers are but a nuisance...

This leaves, once again, Egypt :egypt: , with its exceptionally powerful but historically-incorrect (both in terms of the timeframe and because Egypt's military was never something to really brag about) Pharoah's Archers, as the only real challengers to Auxiliary Archers. Indeed, Egypt :egypt: as a whole is generally the only faction that can ever really can contend with Rome in a campaign, especially in the endgame.

The Roman factions are actually probably the most accurate ones, believe it or not (Arcani and Gladiators, who are rare anyway, notwithstanding) - at least in terms of army structure. They have the most cost-effective heavy infantry, very good archers, and (if we can ignore rare Legionary Cavalry and Praetorian Cavalry) reasonably effective cavalry. It's mostly everybody else who's screwed up :laugh4:

Well they didn't only use allied cavalry but they had their own. Only the Equites (knightlike romans) were able to buy themselves a horse and good armor and weapons. They had their own cavalry but they are very rare and they fought mostly with infantry units

I need help.
Carthage is a head hurt (I'm hoping it is right writed).Always you can have problems, for example this.
Carthage is giving me red income, very red income.And its always a slave place, which means Carthage sooer or later will be rebel.
I dont see any ways of killing the ****** rebels or giving a good income.
What can I do?

sometimes the only things to do is up taxes to the max, let it rebel, and then retake and slaughter the population.


and by the way, if i know what your talking about, its head ache not head hurt.

I had a different start to the game, but it all worked out in the end. My senate mission sent me to Gaul (Patvium) instead of toward Carthage (since the Scip's stormed them early and took it all). I sailed an army north but didn't realize there were two more gaul armies hiding outside the city - and as a result, we got spanked. I had the remains of this disgraced army stop to fight a rebel force spotted on their return trip, and they barely beat them down - so they general saved a little face (and a trip to the gallows).

I took on the Mac's first with a trading alliance with Greece. Their last city was Athens - which I seiged. They had a full amry of Hopites behind the wall, and I expected a bloodbath. Instead after a few turns (I kept building more troops and sending them over for reinforcements), they simply surrendered without a fight!!

Next, I wiped the Greeks out of Sparta. I had read about their great navy, but when the time came, my navy actually ruled the area and blasted them (only trouble was a fleet of rebels -- who may have beaten the Greeks?).

I had a plaque in Larissa, so I sent a spy from there over to Rhodes (senate asked that I take them next). The Greeks had a full army there, and another sitting outside the city. The chemical warfare worked better than I hoped because their forces vacated the city and it rebelled. I sent one Peasant down and easily won the vacant city. meanwhile, my mainland army hit their only other city - armed with battistas, we did not seige but marched right in. The battistas not only knocked down the gates, they also decimated the Hopites guarding it. it was a very easy battle after that, and the Greeks were gone.

Just like that - who would have thought a simple peasant army would have conquered Rhodes with that massive Greek armored hopite army (two in fact) guarding it??!!!

The biggest problem I always seem to have is with the Egyptians. As Brutii I find that a blitzkrieg tactics as described in the first reply works well. Once I've taken the south of Greece I normally have tons of money. I normally use that money to turn the Southern Greek regions into my military production zone. Meaning you can build large armies that trample anything in their path and the quite centralised location and easy access to the Mediterranean means that you can reinforce your more remote armies quite easily and quickly. However, when I first started playing I kept having problems as I'd expand east and then reach the North West part of Egypt where my armies would get bogged down in lengthy wars of attrition. Not good when you consider the fact Egypt has strong armies, great military factories and a fabulous amount of wealth. I found a good way to take down Egypt is with a thorough softening up followed by a quick, sharp, shock. Build a good sized Navy and block the Egyptian ports. This solves the economy problem.

While you are building your navy also produce lots of spies and assassins and gather your veteran spies and assassins and send them to Egypt en masse. Put your spies in every city possible to scope out enemy buildings and seek out large armies. Then just before you assault with your armies use your assassins to sabotage Egyptian military buildings, to damage their ability to reinforce armies. Removing a large part of the attrition problem. If possible use your assassins to take out Generals.

Then deploy 3 or 4 seperate armies in different fleets then send out the fleets to just outside the biggest and most important Egyptian cities. So you can take the provinces all at the same time, if you're lucky. Then deploy the armies to take out the most dangerous provinces and armies. Hopefully you will have soon crippled the backbone of Egypt and the rest is mopping up.

It's a costly and complicated tactic but when you consider the benefits of taking over Egypt I think it is definitely worth it.

Here is my guide to the Bruiti which IMHO is the easiest rome faction for several reasons
1. Some of your most profitable states will be A LONG WAYS AWAY FROMT HE FIGHT when KING LEONIDAS hits teh fan in the civil war. You want your money makers to be safe and sound.
2. The areas in which you conquer will be RICH in cash. You'll be able to field armies unlike no other.
3. Your first few civil war battles will be aganist (in my experience) light juli armies in the north, and strong sicipi armies in the south.

Here are a few key things which I used to dominate my game
Navy, need to control hte seas and be able to move men and supplies without fear of losing them
Always have a back up army on the way, in my egptian campaing I about nearly lost it, had that not entre legion army came in to reinforce me i'd of been pushed back into greece, so many poeple work on their army but never reserve forces.

Keep your upcome cheap, one thing I noticed later on is that keeping any type of $$$ unit in garrison is a waste. High upkeep units should be fighting not relaxing. Garrison duty is for peasants and town watch.

LEt me describe to you my campaign

Within the first turn I marched into greece and began taking the first settlement, I then marched furthur where I encoutered a macedian army. It wouldn't move so I attacked it. Then marched for Corinth, Athens, and Sparta first Corinth and Sparta, I fortied up that portion as the Macedians and greeks sent army after army to attack me there. I then marched into Athens. After this I begna my march up into larasia and so forth. Took marcedian, and Byztiuam, then took Bylzaroa.

Now I had to cross that sea, so I moved in my navies which I was building up in Italy and took 2 full armies straight upon Perguam. Which was prob my hardest fought battle. After this I knew one thing, if I left rhodes to be it'd be harder to take every turn (rhodes is always my hardest fight with greece)

So I move in 2 armies into RHodies I get ambushed, and haveli ke 4 massive battles on this small little island. (I'm actually shocked that the waters around it didn't turn red) I lost a total of about 3k men, greeks lost 7k holding it and I won it over.

Now at this point I intend on doing a 2 prong attack to gain more land on this region. So I begna building up my armies well I go to take the Kydoina (which is a rebel settlement) and then I march upon Nicomedia, and Hallicarnassus.

Both are oldly enough hard fought battles so I then bunker up, I place a fort on the Hallicarnassus bridge to hold it and then March north to gain a few more terrioistes in order to furthur fuel my war machine (also the senate wanted me to go there, and it'd be a good way to block off the Juli from advacing.Porrolissum, Camp Lazyges Campus Scythii, and stop.

Move back down south to contiue my advance for i've collected 4 armies in which I can march upon the rest of the cities here. My first and most difficult goal is take Sardis which is heavly foritied by the Pathria, and then after htat I contiue east ward. Ancyra, Tarsus, Mazaka, Sinope, then a road block at Tarsus

My armies stand on my border, Egptian armys stand on their border. WE fight a small battle and I win, egptian loses nothing and withdraws to the bridge of Antioch. Which will become one of my most epic battles and hardest fought as well. I of course pursue into this region and we fight 3 bridge battles for control.

I lose my first one, luckily it was a blunder on my part and I lost very little 2nd i win just barely and 3rd I carsh the egptians march into Antioch. I take it and here is my foothold in the middle east.

I hyad expected the Egptians to prove a hard foe so I had began building legions across my empire and bringing them into Egptian to assit me. At this point I had 2 navies bring in 2 full fresh boats of recuirts, one which took Salamis which was a nice victory. I then moved and got ready for battles with Egptian, I took a few turns to gather my forces and so forth.

I marched upon Damascus, and Sidon took them both. Then moved onto Bostra, and Petra. Came back and took on Palmyra.

At this time senate missions in the north. So I take a few cities up there to please the senate by taking Vicus Venedae and Chersesos, Tanais which pleases the seante so I move back to the middle east. I them move to take Hatra, Selecuia, Susa, and Dumatha.

After this I stop here and move a bit more to the west and take on Jersulam which was the turning part of the egptians (3 famlies members and 4 armies bite the dust her) I lsot very little. I then march for Memphis, Alexndra, and double back to Thebes. I then go for Siwa, and buy Cyrene. AT this point I began building army for rome.

I then went back to the far east and began marching into and taking the follow cities Araskia, and Phrassapa. After taking those cities (had to build up armies) so I had time to garrison 7 fielded armies for my advance on the scipi.

My first battle along the raod from Cyrene to Magna, in which I find 2 scipi armies (one containing their faction leader) sitting on the road. I with my 7 legions figure it best to take out such a critical faimly leader early on.

So I slaughter them, yes I mean slaughter when you fight with 8,000 men aganist 1,500 and your 8,000 men hav ebeen through hell nad back marching from greece to turky to the middle east and down trhough afria your men have lots of experience and upgrades. Then well the civil war starts.

However I had planned for it long in advance.

Early on I had relieazed that to do this civil war as quickly as possible i'd have to assault on 2 fronts, and fortiy one front.

I had been building up highly trained armies in Italy and garrisoin them in the field blocking choke points with forts, and had a legion to pound back the Juli a bit.

Either way I marched upon Lepcis Magna. I took this city with a huge fuse. My army of 8k was down to 7k (heavly loses considering I have to take rome with it)

Then my Computer crashed... Installed a 8800GTS 640 MB GPU and it blue up the caps on my mobo because of the energy surge.

So thats where I am at now.

But so far I did look at the stats for my empire. Lets just say I own the most regions (I own 35 or so) well the closet thing is the Juli at 30. And you know if you played as the Juli 30 isn't that much. My regions are all econmic power houses i'm bringing in more money then I can imagine. I'm upkeeping 12 fully fielded armies, most of hwich are legionares.

But here is my end game plan for the Rome, Scipi will die first Juli will be withered away in teh north. Next I will march for Thapsus, Carthage. Then I will want to take out all of sliciy and take Lilybaeum, Syracus and with the help of my HIGHLY Trained army in Itialy I will take Messance.

After this I will group up 6 legions, and march through the remaining bit of Scipi which by this point will be crawling. AT the same time I must contend with the Julia and keep conquering eastern ward. I intend on taking Themiskyra which is the Bruiti most eastern front. At the same time I march into Salona, Segestica, and Aquiincum to push them furthur back.

In my scipi campaign I will need to take the follow cities and i intend on doing it in this order Caralis, Cirtra, Tingi, Cordua, Dimmidi, and there final death spot, Nepte. THen uton to Rome. AT this point my goal is to have 9 fieled armies for this assault First I will take Capua, and then Rome. At this point I will cut the Juli in half just like a cake. I will march north and take Patavium, Iuvavum, Mogontiacum, Damme, and then Bordesholm.

On my eastern front I ntend on having everything conquered.

At this point the Julia will be weak and nimble and cut in half. I will march upon their eastern cities first take them out there and then head west.

My actual goal is to own every city that their is. As in TOTAL DOMINATION. I figure towards the end it will go very fast.

My battle tactics are good, I hear some complaining about Phalanxies, well I got a thing or two to say about that. They are slow you are fast you are also strong and can fight on any flank they can't. I can turn a legion around to face a flanking move in seconds a phalax can't. In battle my legionares can run without giving up their protection and fighting ability, phalxies can't.

Once you break a phalax its gone.

The hardest enemy IMHO is the rome. Legions are simply pains

Update for my Brutii imperial campaign - H/M difficulty. Huge unit size.
It's now winter 244BC.

I hold Croton, Tarentum, Appolonia, Thermon, Corinth, Sparta, and Athens. In my last turn, my best and most experienced army, led by my best general assaulted and captured Larissa.

I have been having an interesting "disagreement" with Dacia over possesion of Salona. I captured it from rebels a long time ago, but in 248BC a full-stack Dacian army assaulted and took Salona, which was very lightly defended by 2 town guard and a family member. In 246BC a small relief army recaptured Salona again for the Brutii. I thought that was the end of the matter, and sent half the troops back to Thermon to retrain. Then in the last turn, the Dacian king turned up with another full-stack army and a second half-stack army and assaulted Salona again. The garrision this time consisted of 4 understrength principes, 2 cavalry auxillia, and a family member. The defenders put up a good fight, killing over 1000 of the attackers, but a mistake by the defending general getting himself stupidly killed ended any hope of holding the town. So Salona is back in Dacian control.

At the time I was at war with Macedon, Greek Cities, and Dacia. I have arranged a ceasefire with the Greek Cities, and Dacia while I concentrate on Macedon. I will leave vengeance on Dacia until later.

The senate has ordered my to take Kydonia, which suits me, I have an army ready to assault next turn. the town is lightly garrisoned and has no wall, so it should be a cakewalk.

The economy is good. The only problems I have is a lack of family members, as 4 have fallen in battle in the last 3 years, and my faction leader is rather elderly. I can't seem to be able to bribe anyone either. Also, the pirate fleets are causing me problems as they are very large and numerous.

I plan to finish of Macedonia, and conquer the balkans up to the Danube river and consolidate. then head into Asia minor.

Any tips or advice always appreciated.

P.S. I have come to the conclusion that cavalry auxilia suck! Anyone else disagree?

Cav auxilia don't suck, they are just not very useful as cav....LOL

they are good for harassing the enemy, going after skirmishers/routers. With the Cambrainic circle (or whatever it's called) they are very hard to hit and deal a surprising amount of damage.

They do suck when defending a settlement, as they need room to retreat.

Only use them to engage infintry if you think that thier charge will start a chain rout, i.e. if the enemy's moral is low, the shock of the charge will often be the deciding factor.

they are great for chasing down routing cav as they can throw javlins and kill them, even if they don;t catch the routing cav.

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They do suck when defending a settlement, as they need room to retreat.

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They're fast, and skirmish backwards.

Get them outside the walls and get an enemy to chase you around your walls...in front of the towers. :evilgrin:


Also, since they're fast, they're a great unit for chasing after the routing enemy general -- and that's one less family member to try again later.:yes:

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Update for my Brutii imperial campaign - H/M difficulty. Huge unit size.
It's now winter 244BC.

I hold Croton, Tarentum, Appolonia, Thermon, Corinth, Sparta, and Athens. In my last turn, my best and most experienced army, led by my best general assaulted and captured Larissa.

I have been having an interesting "disagreement" with Dacia over possesion of Salona. I captured it from rebels a long time ago, but in 248BC a full-stack Dacian army assaulted and took Salona, which was very lightly defended by 2 town guard and a family member. In 246BC a small relief army recaptured Salona again for the Brutii. I thought that was the end of the matter, and sent half the troops back to Thermon to retrain. Then in the last turn, the Dacian king turned up with another full-stack army and a second half-stack army and assaulted Salona again. The garrision this time consisted of 4 understrength principes, 2 cavalry auxillia, and a family member. The defenders put up a good fight, killing over 1000 of the attackers, but a mistake by the defending general getting himself stupidly killed ended any hope of holding the town. So Salona is back in Dacian control.

At the time I was at war with Macedon, Greek Cities, and Dacia. I have arranged a ceasefire with the Greek Cities, and Dacia while I concentrate on Macedon. I will leave vengeance on Dacia until later.

The senate has ordered my to take Kydonia, which suits me, I have an army ready to assault next turn. the town is lightly garrisoned and has no wall, so it should be a cakewalk.

The economy is good. The only problems I have is a lack of family members, as 4 have fallen in battle in the last 3 years, and my faction leader is rather elderly. I can't seem to be able to bribe anyone either. Also, the pirate fleets are causing me problems as they are very large and numerous.

I plan to finish of Macedonia, and conquer the balkans up to the Danube river and consolidate. then head into Asia minor.

Any tips or advice always appreciated.

P.S. I have come to the conclusion that cavalry auxilia suck! Anyone else disagree?

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you should take the cities the senate whants you to,but when you invade grease....wich looks like a foot,napoelean whonce said,you should attack it from the bottom (the toes,sparta),like crawling up a girls ankle.:san_rolleyes: :download:

The Brutii and the Scipii have an unfair adavantage over the Julii. Greek, Macedonian and Punic lands are much more profitable than Gallic farmlands, aside from that. they also have better temple than the Julii. Brutii can build temple to Mars, which cracks exprinenced troops even before they fought and battle, temple to Mercury increase trade, especially to sea trade and cities with mines. Temple to Juno decrease squlor as well as giving happiness.
Temple to Vulcan upgrades weapons while Temple to Neptune let the Scipii build tougher ships than the normal ones. I call this unfair!

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Originally Posted by QuintusJulius-Cicero

The Brutii and the Scipii have an unfair adavantage over the Julii. Greek, Macedonian and Punic lands are much more profitable than Gallic farmlands

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I don't think so. The Julii short campaign is actually pretty easy. The Gauls are numerous but much weaker than Roman legions, on a man to man basis.

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Originally Posted by QuintusJulius-Cicero

The Brutii and the Scipii have an unfair adavantage over the Julii. Greek, Macedonian and Punic lands are much more profitable than Gallic farmlands, aside from that. they also have better temple than the Julii. Brutii can build temple to Mars, which cracks exprinenced troops even before they fought and battle, temple to Mercury increase trade, especially to sea trade and cities with mines. Temple to Juno decrease squlor as well as giving happiness.
Temple to Vulcan upgrades weapons while Temple to Neptune let the Scipii build tougher ships than the normal ones. I call this unfair!

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Who says you have to do what those old women in the Senate tell you?

Take Segesta and then fleet up. You can snag Caralis, Carthage, Syracuse, Crete, Rhodes, Athens, Halicarnassus, Athens, Corinth, & Sparta ahead of your rivals with one good fast-moving strike team. Recruit mercs as you go and forward militia as garrison as you can.

Meanwhile, at home, your core cities slowly build a defensive force and then acquire Medialanum and Patavium. Once you're defending the Alpine passes, you can hold at low cost while your strike team makes you rich.

Seamus Fermanagh is right. with a fast strike force the Julii is capable of getting ahead of the Brutii and Scipii, but i really dislike their temples, comparing to the advantages the Scipii temple and Brutii temples could bring.

I don't agree with Brutii lands being better than Julii lands, all Roman factions are the same, the julii get Spain, Brutii Greece and Scipii Sicily/ north africa/ egypt.

Yes, Greece is very rich but you need to fight hoplites and such which can be very nasty, you do not need as much of a military with the Julii plus you get access to mediteranean trade, spanish mines and lots of farmland which with Roman Latifundia can be extremely profitable.

The Brutii are maybe the essayist factions to play in RTW, simply because of the temple of Mercuri. By the time i got 20 provinces i start to flow in money until the end of the game, as for the all athers have money problems after you have more than 30-40. Combine that with the roman technology and the temple of Mars, and you not only have the richest economy, but and the strongest army in the game. These guys are the only one ho can actually captutere only central Europe and still prosper finance with big army's. I mean thing about hwo do is the strongest roman every time when you play any eastern or Western Europe faction?