eww. who wants to volunteer to get the proof? probably bill.Quote:
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eww. who wants to volunteer to get the proof? probably bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Lemur, I think attacks on Obama will have a much greater impact if they focus on his relationship with, and excuses for, Wright than anything to do with a Muslim background. Suddenly we've gone from the audacity of hope to saying his Pastor lived in rough times, so he's got an excuse to be so very hateful. Not to mention the other tenants of his Church.
We've gone from MLK's speeches to Wright's, while Obama just make excuses for it.
Is it not odd how he's not willing to hear any excuses for washington (DC) right now, and insists he's going there to change everything, but Wright's hate is understandable?
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Hmm, well he clearly stated that he rejects and denounces the anti-American rhetoric. He called his former pastor mistaken, wrong, misguided and all kinds of other words. The only thing he's not willing to do is completely sever the relationship from the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I assume that had he denounced Wright and cried "Get thee behind me," some on this board would gleefully scream that he was throwing his pastor under a bus. No winning with this crowd.
I didn't get the "making excuses" impression in the least. If anything, it sounded like he was sasssing his elders. But eye of the beholder and all that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
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Huckabee chimes in. Addresses the Obama/Wright stuff around the 4 minute mark.
Frankly, there really is no easy way out of this controversy for Obama now. He dodged and ignored the issue until he couldn't anymore. Then he basically lied about never hearing Wright make any of the remarks. He's had a fairly intimate relationship with this bigoted hate-monger for more than 20 yrs. The fact that he waits until it's a media firestorm before condemning Wright's hateful comments doesn't reflect well on him, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Can anyone guess who Obama was commenting about here? It wasn't Wright:Quote:
I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group.
So Xiahou, does this mean you'll get Hillary like you always wanted?
Wow, you're almost as good at dodging as Obama, Lemur.
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Rabbit, every time I answer one of your posts directly, you scream that I'm dodging. Can we please move on to a new ad hominem accusation? And what would not constitute a "dodge" in your book, besides complete and utter agreement?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
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Interesting, if it weren't for TuffStuff and me, Clinton would no longer exist in this thread. And nobody's even talking about McCain. It's the all-Obama-all-the-time thread now, thanks largely to Xiahou's Ahab-like fixed hatred.
I was talking about your response to Xiahou's post, Lemur. Perhaps I should have been more clear. And I dare say I'm not 'screaming', which is a bit funny coming from the guy who says another has 'Ahab-like fixed hatred'.
After all, how can Obama be a unifier if he calls Wright his mentor? The 'pastor' of a church that has a black values system, including 'disavowal of middleclassness' and "Pledging allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System".
He compared Wright's statements to Ferraro's, and with his own grandmother. talk about throwing her under the bus. And maybe it's just me, but those comparisons are for mitigating Wright's behavior.Quote:
I didn't get the "making excuses" impression in the least. If anything, it sounded like he was sasssing his elders. But eye of the beholder and all that.
Edit: a good article on the substance of Obama's speech : http://www.townhall.com/Columnists/M...baracks_speech
As for McCain, he's pulling further ahead while doing all sorts of presidential candidate activities - traveling the world and whatnot.
And if you want to hear more of Hilary, why don't you post some more news? Obama's the one in the spotlight right now, after all.
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You can't take you eyes off of the ball, and Clinton is the ball. A Giant, spiked, smelly, Ball of doom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Certainly a good article, if you're taking your advice from Michael Medved. I liked him better when he was reviewing movies in Chicago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
What ever happened to the Ron Paulites? The Washington Times reports on the issue:
Ron Paul says the legions of newcomers his presidential campaign brought to the Republican Party are getting the cold shoulder from John McCain and from the party.
The Texas congressman says neither he nor his supporters have heard from Mr. McCain or Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan since March 4, when the Arizona senator accumulated enough delegates to clinch the party's presidential nomination.
"I don't think they want them," Mr. Paul told The Washington Times.
The Weekly Standard chimes in:
Let me just say to Ron Paul supporters everywhere, and on behalf of the New Right (by which I assume Paul means the Jew Right), get lost.
There should be plenty of room for the Paulnuts in Obama's big tent. If Rev. Wright isn't exactly a 9/11 Truther, at least he's breathed new life into the Pearl Harbor Truther movement. Imagine a newsletter coauthored by the Reverend and Lew Rockwell--now that's racial harmony.
Well, crap. I hope the GOP doesn't shoot itself in the foot with regards to the youth Ron Paul attracted to libertarianism.
He's the best radio talk guy I've ever heard (unfortunately localized in Seattle) - he's smart, doesn't yell like O'Reilly or Hannity, listens and debates - doesn't just shout at - people from all over the spectrum - and is much better than Rush at actually espousing the principles of conservatism and not just preaching to the choir.Quote:
Certainly a good article, if you're taking your advice from Michael Medved
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:laugh4: Is that a slight at the man's upbringing? Not all of us were gifted by divine providence with a furry coat and fancy tail, some of us have had to work up the evolutionary and career ladder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
He should get rid of the stache and cut his hair.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
This is too incredibly beautiful. Here we have the unassailable black candidate, the next JFK, caught with ties more controversial than those of Jesse Jackson. I bet those black liberation traitors really thought they were getting away with something. They finally found someone who could trick the white devil. I wonder how many democrats who were fooled by the latest black power candidate would like their primary votes back. Best case scenario is that he limps in to the nomination, and the 527s hammer “God Damn America” into every household in the nation.
On a personal note, I am a little disappointed. He, of course, would have never gotten my vote due to his political leanings. I did feel that if we had to have a leftist in the White House, it would have been nice to have a guy that transcended race and showed that anyone can succeed in this country. Come to find out, it was nothing more than smoke and mirrors. This man sat through sermons such as “The gov’ment invented AIDS to kill the black man” for 20 years and he didn’t soak some of that racist, anti-american, traitorous crap up? I would be willing to bet he gave a lot of money to support it.
If he gets the nom, I hope all White, Hispanic, Asian and Arab Americans band together to keep this black supremist out of the White House.
Ironically, he’s done far more to hurt race relations and black politicians in the nation than help.
JohnnyMac looks positively amazing next to this traitor.
I like Dick Morris' take on it though. Half-white Obama had to prove his blackness to succeed in Chicago politics. Therefore he needed to latch on to race-baiters like this guy to prove it.
The reality is that most Americans are racist. I forgive people for racism. It is understandable. Agglomerations of people can be abominable.
Personally, my at home bigotry is aimed at jews and blacks, which I try to temper because I know that most people bring talents and gifts to the table regardless of the color of their skin. It is tempting to target someone for perceived ridiculous qualities that they share with others who look like them and remind us of their failings..
I have said some brutal stuff about Jews and some terrible things about blacks. I even rip on eye-talians and mock the Chinese. When I hear a black man rip on whites, my blood begins to boil but I realize that we are united by our hatred of the absurd in each other. I always feel like we have more in common then and I feel less hostile.
True harmony comes through mutually understood bigotry. We just need to work on it to make it more ironic and less violent.
McCain has always looked good, although it takes the demonization of the Dem frontrunner to make the Rightists wake up and smell the coffee. John McCain was always the strongest, most centrist candidate the Repubs had. Especially in 2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger
He'll basically be a continuation of Bush policies as they currently stand. We could do worse, but I had hoped we would do a lot better. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
If you believe McCain will be the functional equivalent of a third Bush term, you're going to be rudely surprised.
What exactly do you think he'll do differently?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I've outlined what I see McCain doing in earlier posts. But by all means, vote for him, and tell yourself you're gonna get more Bush.
That's what it will be in practice- and it's nothing for me to get excited about. ~:handball:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
Will I vote for him? Possibly- as long as he doesn't do something stupid like pick Huckabee for his VP....
I see major differences. McCain is a budget hawk, Bush is a budget blowout. McCain is a torture abolitionist, Bush is a "string 'em up by their thumbs" (actual quote) kinda guy. McCain's base is Independents, Bush's is the Religious Right. I could go on, but come on, how can you declare that Johnny Mac will be Bush III with a straight face?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Hell yes you'll vote for him, especially once you're convinced that the Dem is a traitor/quisling/Communist/most librul evar/spawn of satan who will steal your guns, destroy free trade, outlaw Christianity and force you to bow before feminist committees before you're allowed to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Frankly, from a Republican perspective, you're in the bag; you don't need any convincing, and they're not gonna campaign with you in mind. All that's required is that you believe that the Dem is a danger to all that's good and just, and you're taken care of. Simple enough.
Meanwhile, I wonder why Hillary hasn't jumped on the Wright issue harder? Here's one guess:
Their base is irrelevant- it's the policies that matter. Iraq- same. Stance towards Iran- same. Illegal immigration- same. Abortion- same. With a Democrat congress, Bush has remembered where he left his veto pen. I fully expect McCain would continue that policy as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
The biggest thing you can come up with is the handful of alQaeda types that were waterboarded- who reportedly gave up valuable intel as a result. Personally, I think McCain would authorize the same thing in the aftermath of a terrorist attack- maybe he wouldn't. Regardless, McCain and Bush have far more in common than not right now and share the same views on nearly all of the major issues of the day.
Weaksauce.Quote:
Meanwhile, I wonder why Hillary hasn't jumped on the Wright issue harder? Here's one guess:
I now have complete respect for Sean Hannity and the entire Fox News team:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/20/16576/3089
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/us...rssnyt&emc=rss
Richardson endorses Obama. This is really going to be useful with the Latino voting bloc.
I think McCain will be a step up from Bush. I thought so when I supported McCain over Bush the last time around.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
They may be coming from a similar place, but Bush can't communicate with people. I hope McCain does a better job.
Most people can read the same book out loud. Delivery and comprehension are where the differences will be found.
Xiahou, you're getting a bit weird, dude. You completely ignored the fiscal side of my comment, and the only way to follow your reasoning on the torture issue is if you take an absolute best-case, near-pollyanna interpretation of the administration's claims on "alternative interrogation methods." And the base doesn't matter? Fascinating, Captain.
Meanwhile, we're finally getting some polling on how the Wright business is playing in the public. Not surprisingly, based on the tenor of this thread, by far it's biggest impact is among Republicans who never would have voted for Senator Obama anyway. Read for yourself. The Wright questions begin on page 9.
Funny the kos doesn't mention how the Obama site says each group is approved by administrators.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
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Peggy Noonan, a writer whom we've all quoted at some point or another, has her take on the Obama speech about race:
Still, it was a good speech, and a serious one. I don't know if it will help him. We're in uncharted territory. We've never had a major-party presidential front-runner who is black, or rather black and white, who has given such an address. We don't know if more voters will be alienated by Mr. Wright than will be impressed by the speech about Mr. Wright. We don't know if voters will welcome a meditation on race. My sense: The speech will be labeled by history as the speech that saved a candidacy or the speech that helped do it in. I hope the former.