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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

-6 command is ridiculously extreme, and as for being overconfident, all I did was encamp in my own province for 6 years. I would have thought a cowardice trait was more appropriate given the circumstances.

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I actually found it funny because I see the character as being very "overconfident". I do agree -6 is far too high a price to pay for the trait. I'm glad it is only -2.

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Also, I'd like to make a small request that I be allowed to play Ioannis' son when the current Ioannis dies. I know we already agreed that players couldn't reserve avatars, but they could make requests of which ones they would especially like to play.

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You should probably keep in mind that Ioannis will only be 33 at this next session. So, when his son comes of age, Ioannis won't even be 50. He might live into his 60's. You'd basically be holding a spare avatar for 2 or 3 whole terms. Though if no one joins the game, or needs a new avatar, then this obviously wouldn't be a problem. Just letting you know that Ioannis will probably live for quite a long time after the son comes of age.

It does also give you a likely two Basileos' in a row. I have no real problem with that, others might. If you find a good IC roleplayer for your son, you might be able to mold him to your liking IC without having to play him. But I have nothing against your reservation, but agree with PK.

The Emperor will die before the Caesar's son comes of age. The Emperor will be 55 this next senate term. He'll probably live into his 60's. The son won't be of age so the AI will hit us with a whacky heir choice. For all we know, it could end up being Methodios. :laugh4:

I don't know if SS chooses heirs differently, but from my experience with vanilla, my guess would be that it chooses Andronikos Komnenos. In my vanilla SP games, the younger brother tends to be made heir after the original FL dies.

So, while I am against someone playing the Emperor twice, it does not even seem like it will be the case here.

That stuff is, AFAIK, hardcoded so SS can change nothing.

I was under the impression that the system mostly chose a characters son, if he had one. Given that Ioannis has a son, albeit adopted, Kosmas, I expect the game to chose him. However, given that Kosmas is older than the Caesar, he will likely die first. IMO the most likely follow on from that is Methodios, but it could be the Caesars son.

That's true, unlike my SP games there are already "of-age" sons. This happened in KotR too. After Henry, the game chose an adopted son, Jobst. It passed up Leopold, Henry's younger brother, and Hans, Henry's oldest natural son.

So, my guess would be Kosmas. But he will be 40 at the next session. By the time the Emperor dies, he might be 50 or even older. He'd basically be a "care-taker" heir. After that, it might be Methodios but he isn't much younger than Kosmas.

Are you guys sure we're at war with the HRE? I downloaded the latest save(Ignoramus') to get an idea of what's going on. I checked the diplomacy screen and it only said we were at war with the rebels and turks.

Also, just so I'm sure, the Megas Logothetos will recruit my Avatar in Belgrade and I will get him next turn, correct?

I just took a quick peek at the save and we are not at war with the HRE. Only Turks and rebels. W T F :dizzy2: ?

EDIT: Bah, beat by w&f. (Hi and welcome, btw :) )

Well, the first thing I did this turn was negotiate a ceasefire with the Germans. Of course, the report for this turn comes at the end of the turn. :laugh4:

w&f, yes, the avatars will show up next turn. You'll get three to choose from.

I just noticed that Antioch is over 50% Orthodox. Are avatars resupplying properly there now?

They resupply 50% at a time if they sit in the city. :beam:

So, two turns in a city with 50% your religion makes them fully supplied. :2thumbsup:

Good, glad to know we figured that bit out. Beware conquest without priests.

The priest having been a vital component of any medieval logisticians arsenal :clown:

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

I have another trait complaint:

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-6 command is ridiculously extreme, and as for being overconfident, all I did was encamp in my own province for 6 years. I would have thought a cowardice trait was more appropriate given the circumstances.

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Aleksios got the same trait after a battle in which he outnumbered the enemy and dispatched them easily. It will reduce and then go away after a few turns.

By way of an FYI I am unconcerned about Vissa's collection of traits. If any of them seem especially odd under the circumstances I'm sure we can remove 'em, but it'll be a long time before he's a combat character and all the real fighting is done by body guards or under captains anyway, so it frankly doesn't matter.

Thanks for the comment Flax. :beam: I was a bit worried because just describing a foul mouth doesn't really cut it, you have to leave people with some impression of just how foul.

:egypt:

I'm going to post House Asteri's new change so I have a better idea on what just happened. Plus, it would probably be a good idea to track how long people have held each position.

They were this:

Antypatos Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra)
-Hypatos Hypatios Machonios (Elite Ferret)
--Domestikos Zigavinos Vasilakios (rossahh)
---Strator Nevoulos ek Philadelphias (Smowz)
----Strator Kosmas Mavrozomis (Zim)
-----Comes Anastasios Neokaisareitis (The Lemongate)
-----Strator Efstathios Laskaris (Ibn-Khaldun)

Now, they are this:

Patrikios Ioannis Kalameteros (deguerra) *1
-Antypatos Markianos Ameplas (Flydude) *2
--Antypatos Hypatios Machonios (Elite Ferret) *3
---Hypatos Zigavinos Vasilakios (rossahh)
----Strator Nevoulos ek Philadelphias (Smowz)
-----Domestikos Kosmas Mavrozomis (Zim)
------Comes Anastasios Neokaisareitis (The Lemongate)
------Strator Efstathios Laskaris (Ibn-Khaldun)

*1: Ioannis has the amount of landowners to be a Dux but he still needs to spend 5 turns as Patrikios. (He has already spent 5 turns as Antypatos.)

*2: Ameplas has the amount of landowners to be Patrikios but he still needs to spend 5 turns as Antypatos.

*3: Hypatios's 5 turns for being Antypatos start now.

thanks PK. It's good to know we have a walking rulebook, because I tend to forget bits here and there. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by deguerra

thanks PK. It's good to know we have a walking rulebook, because I tend to forget bits here and there. :2thumbsup:

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Thanks but the walking rulebook is TC. I'm just the helper. And not even a good helper. I'm wrong a lot. (someone might want to go over my last post and make sure the feudal ladder for Asteri is right.)

:beam:

I figure he is cheating, seeing as he wrote most of them :P

Your ladder seems right to me, but then I'm no expert.

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Originally Posted by deguerra

I figure he is cheating, seeing as he wrote most of them :P

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If your not careful, he'll "event" you. :clown:

I agree with PK's assessment of the ladder. I've put the new version of my pretty picture on my user page.

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Originally Posted by FLYdude

I agree with PK's assessment of the ladder. I've put the new version of my pretty picture on my user page.

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I like that you keep it on your page. Easier to find.

The Caesar's House has just had some changes though. Tepaki seems on the verge of changing as well.

Yes, just noticed that and updated it. Tepaki's been on the verge of changing for 10 years.

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Originally Posted by FLYdude

Yes, just noticed that and updated it. Tepaki's been on the verge of changing for 10 years.

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No, Tepaki was on the verge of a verge for 10 years. Now, they are finally on the verge. :clown:

*edit*

Also Aerovindos ek Samou has been retired and should be stricken from the Order's list.

The Tepaki has changed.

Estratios Monomachos is now the sole ruler of the Durazzoan Empire!

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ALL WILL BOW BEFORE ME AND OBEY MY BRUTAL COMMANDS!!!

Or, you know, whatever the Emperor wants.

I'm impressed. A Dux by the middle of the third Megas term (assuming nothing else changes). That's faster than I expected. Looks like Asteri will be able to do pretty much anything they want for a while, especially if they get the next Megas.

With all those House changes, could someone, I think it was Cecil the last time, put up one of those nice pictures where the different House areas are colour-coded? I always like to visualize things, but since I have two left hands when it comes to graphic editing I rely on one of you to do it! :beam:

Yes, I really liked the first map, it was nice and informative, and it helps outsiders understand what's going on.

Is there a monthly review of LotR in the Gahzette like there was for KotR?

Good job FLYdude. :2thumbsup: An efficient (and a bit sardonic) term.

I'm assuming TC, as the game runner, will want to gavel in the next Senate Session.

uhhh doesn't my SOT post mean what FLYdude has been doing with my army is illegal. He never had my permission to move it, let alone command it...

The Event sounds interesting, to say the least! I hope everybody who joins makes the most of it, I'm already looking forward to watch the in-fighting begin!

My avatar won't go, considering his unbelievably low piety and his current situation facing the Turks. Also, my avatars don't just go on the first Crusade event that comes along! :2thumbsup:

I wonder how many of the Order will join...

WOOT !! WOOT !! The Ptolemaic Empire will be reborn !!

I'd join, as soon as FD has the pagan magician removed. Seems in an effort to convert people, others have taken it upon themselves to convert the Order.

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

uhhh doesn't my SOT post mean what FLYdude has been doing with my army is illegal. He never had my permission to move it, let alone command it...

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FD posted in a couple Megas reports that both Asteri armies were combined into one army. So, you basically have 3 options.

1.) Let the situation stand.

2.) Ask Kalameteros for enough units in his army to make your own army.

3.) If Kalameteros refuses, you can demand that the Megas gather enough units from unlocked armies, unlocked garrisons, unsanctioned armies, and recruitment to make your own army.

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

With all those House changes, could someone, I think it was Cecil the last time, put up one of those nice pictures where the different House areas are colour-coded? I always like to visualize things, but since I have two left hands when it comes to graphic editing I rely on one of you to do it! :beam:

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Don't worry, I was planning to anyway.

grrgg, my little brother is monopolizing my totalwar computer so I can't view my avatar choices:brood:

This crusade thingamabobber should be interesting:sweatdrop:

TC, I just looked the Senate Library thread and shouldn't Byblos be in the inactive players list too??

He haven't showed up here over a month now..

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

FD posted in a couple Megas reports that both Asteri armies were combined into one army. So, you basically have 3 options.

1.) Let the situation stand.

2.) Ask Kalameteros for enough units in his army to make your own army.

3.) If Kalameteros refuses, you can demand that the Megas gather enough units from unlocked armies, unlocked garrisons, unsanctioned armies, and recruitment to make your own army.

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Didn't I already order my army to constructed at the start of this term? And I only changed my post to allow deguerra to move my army after I got back and moving doesn't include my army. Hasn't the chancellor broken the law or something for not getting me an army, as the men under deguerra are in his not mine as only I am supposed to command mine...

Oh well just make sure I get one next term, whoever is chancellor :whip:

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

Didn't I already order my army to constructed at the start of this term? And I only changed my post to allow deguerra to move my army after I got back and moving doesn't include my army. Hasn't the chancellor broken the law or something for not getting me an army, as the men under deguerra are in his not mine as only I am supposed to command mine...

Oh well just make sure I get one next term, whoever is chancellor :whip:

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As I told deguerra in a PM, that situation only occured because you both let it occur. FD built you the army. He put it in Kalameteros's stack. Now, as for getting the army, you need to either get units out of the Asteri armies or demand that the new Megas make you an army.

I only "let it occur" because I was on holiday with no internet access...

And I could always break my oath to him so he can't have an army and then demand that the chancellor give those units to me, which I will do if I have to...

Excellent, I'm glad that opinion for the Crusade is high right now. It should definitely be a good experience.

ATPG, I'll answer your PM sometime later today.

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

TC, I just looked the Senate Library thread and shouldn't Byblos be in the inactive players list too??

He haven't showed up here over a month now..

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If he misses a second regular Senate vote (this coming one), I will move him to inactive.

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

I only "let it occur" because I was on holiday with no internet access...

And I could always break my oath to him so he can't have an army and then demand that the chancellor give those units to me, which I will do if I have to...

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Sounds like a good thing to work out IC. :yes:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Excellent, I'm glad that opinion for the Crusade is high right now. It should definitely be a good experience.

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That event seems to be just what the doctor ordered. :2thumbsup:

It gives the un-landed avatars something to do and has the potential to cause some good IC drama. In fact, I think the games have already started... :beam:

Nah, I'd just switch my oath to Markianos so he could keep his army. :beam:

Noone's taken your army, it's sitting right there in the stack with Kalameteros. I'm not sure which units are Kalameteros' and which are Hypatios', but about 30 seconds of talking to deguerra would clear it up if you are so against having Hypatios or his PA involved in the assault on Iconium.

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

I only "let it occur" because I was on holiday with no internet access...

And I could always break my oath to him so he can't have an army and then demand that the chancellor give those units to me, which I will do if I have to...

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Hah, I just checked the save and Bart has both Understands logistics and Poor logistician :yes:
So he knows what is needed to keep an army moving but has no grasp of it.

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Originally Posted by Zim

Noone's taken your army, it's sitting right there in the stack with Kalameteros. I'm not sure which units are Kalameteros' and which are Hypatios', but about 30 seconds of talking to deguerra would clear it up if you are so against having Hypatios or his PA involved in the assault on Iconium.

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Thanks that helps, and just to make it clear I have no problem with what was done I'm just still trying to understand the rules :laugh4:

Sorry if I offended you FLYdude. :shame:

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Originally Posted by Rowan

Hah, I just checked the save and Bart has both Understands logistics and Poor logistician :yes:
So he knows what is needed to keep an army moving but has no grasp of it.

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Bart abstractly knows how to keep an army supplied but is very bad at implementing it. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Bart abstractly knows how to keep an army supplied but is very bad at implementing it. :laugh4:

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And the net result is -1 Command, -1 troop morale, 10% increased movement range... :whip: even if the situation is :wall:

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Originally Posted by Rowan

And the net result is -1 Command, -1 troop morale, 10% increased movement range... :whip: even if the situation is :wall:

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So basically, he can keep the troops supplied but they are mad at him anyways. Maybe he supplies them with crappy food or something. :clown:

Crappy food with good nutrients that lets them march further?

:clown:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

So basically, he can keep the troops supplied but they are mad at him anyways. Maybe he supplies them with crappy food or something. :clown:

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Perhaps the supplies were not for men but for the horses?

Can't imagine 100 or so men eating hay or something like that.

This could make his men angry. :clown:

Maybe Bart keeps them all well fed but doesn't let them drink or dabble in other "morale" raising pursuits. :clown:

I might have to do a story on this... :clown:

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

Crappy food with good nutrients that lets them march further?

:clown:

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Or maybe he has excellent food, and simply dangles it in front of them to get them to march that extra mile?

:clown:

I am currently editing the save to get everything proper before doing the Library mugshots. While doing this, I have noticed that the following people have Pagan Magicians in their retinue and, as far as I can tell, none have asked for them to be removed:

Zigavinos Vasilakios (rossahh)
Ioannis Kantakouzinos (Kagemusha)
Vissarionas ek Lesvou (Ramses II CP)
Methodios Tagaris (Tristan de Castelreng)
Anastasios Neokaisareitis (The Lemongate)

If any of you want this retinue removed (it may help with your influence and/or Crusade army) please let me know as soon as possible.

Ah, now this is the kind of PBM I'm used to. It took a while, but I think the politics reminiscent of KotR are finally in place. Buckle up, kiddies. :evil:

I have no idea what you're talking about. :laugh4:

I'm sorry, but the Patriarchal Represenative was being a bit uppity for the Basileus's taste. If the Patriarch himself would deign to enter the Magnaura, I'm sure he would receive a more courteous reception.

I'm afraid Aleksios is a bit miffed about how his Empire is being kidnapped.

Sending a PM your way.

(Just let me finish ATPG's first)

Well, I say just go on and cancel the next chariot race and replace it by something much more interesting:

Emperor vs. Patriarch
6 rounds of boxing, 5 rounds of theological argument about the spiritual and temporal authorities of the Emperor and Patriarch and just who is the head of the Church (you know, other than that guy Jesus).
Odds are three to two in favor of the Emperor.

3:2 odds? You're living in the past, FLYdude. :laugh4: Emperors beating the crap out of religious authorities are last year's thing.

We shall see. :beam:

It is worth pointing out that Aleksios now has 3 authority, which gives him access to a veto. God help any enemies of a Basileus who has 6+ authority.

Better propose two crusade Edicts then, worded slightly differently. :beam:

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Originally Posted by FLYdude

Better propose two crusade Edicts then, worded slightly differently. :beam:

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I have a feeling that's going to be one of the loopholes that's going to work exactly once. :laugh4:

Might as well be this one though.

Have I mentioned yet that I love this event?

I've had more fun today than I have had in a long time. :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by FLYdude

Better propose two crusade Edicts then, worded slightly differently. :beam:

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If there is not at least one difference of substance between them, I'll use the crotchety old Protoasecretes to declare them redundant and they will not be put to the vote. There must be some actual difference to the Edicts, not just a change in verbiage.

In the immortal words of TOP GUN:

The tower has been definitely buzzed!!

Well done TC and GH. Like the banishment touch OK, that was sheer prissiness in action there :2thumbsup:

I've gone and blown on the embers to see what sparks :balloon2:

And I've just dropped a couple bombs of my own. It's starting to feel like KotR again... :2thumbsup:

It looks as if I read PK correctly - he has no respect for authority. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Ignoramus

It looks as if I read PK correctly - he has no respect for authority. :clown:

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"In real life" I very much question authority. Constantly. It comes with the territory of studying power relationships for a living. Once you realize that "authority" is a constructed concept usually created and continued in very unequal ways, it gets easy to question it. :2thumbsup:

IC is different. Mak respects authority to a point. (technically, most of the characters respect authority to a point. The difference is where that point is.)

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:shocked:

Enemies shaking hands on the Senate floor!?

This isn't KotR after all... :inquisitive:

The only did that to avoid going to the Principal's office. :laugh4:

I thinked feigned sinceriety was a big part of KotR.

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

I thinked feigned sinceriety was a big part of KotR.

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Are you accusing Lothar of being insincere in his investigation of the Kaiser's murder?! :laugh4:

This is what the messenger in the Magnaura was talking about.

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That's what I get for not looking at the latest save... :laugh4:

It seems the AI likes to send men on "deep raids" as anyone who has followed "the tale of the wandering Templar general" can attest to.

Thanks for putting up the screenshot! :2thumbsup:

That's just the good old AI. :beam:

And from the screenshot, you can see how the Templar general has strategically placed himself in the exact spot that blocks all army movement between Antioch and Adana. You basically have to crawl past him one space at a time. :wall:

You do have boats though...

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Originally Posted by Elite Ferret

You do have boats though...

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No, we have a boat. That is singular, not plural. (EF has been keen on being the grammar police lately.) :clown:

The boat can move 2 units at a time. So it would take a few turns to move the army by shuttle. But if you try to crawl around the guy, there is a chance, however small, that he will move out of the way.

My mistake, I was under the impression that you had two boats, please forgive me :clown: