Daggers in the Night [Concluded]

Mafia are going to win.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Mafia are going to win.

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I somehow feel that we havn't caught a single one yet..

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Originally Posted by Beefy187

I somehow feel that we havn't caught a single one yet..

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I know for sure we havent caught a single one yet :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by atheotes

I know for sure we havent caught a single one yet :laugh4:

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How is it you sound so certain? Or does the :laugh4: mean you're just kidding? Or are you just posting anything to up your in-thread postcount?

If you "know for sure", maybe you should share it with the rest of the class.

Kills will go down when we hit a mafioso. Currently atheotes is the only mafioso we could have killed. If he knows he isn't mafia, then he knows we haven't got one.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Kills will go down when we hit a mafioso. Currently atheotes is the only mafioso we could have killed. If he knows he isn't mafia, then he knows we haven't got one.

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thats why i am sure :bow:

Incorrect assumption.

Kills will go down once two mafia are killed, not one. Remember, when one of the henchmen dies, the ancient one can strike.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

Incorrect assumption.

Kills will go down once two mafia are killed, not one. Remember, when one of the henchmen dies, the ancient one can strike.

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Wrong.

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Originally Posted by Rules

Each slave will be capable of killing one townie. When both slaves are dead (and only then), the "Ancient" will be able to kill one townie a night.

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I feel you're not paying close attention to this game, Kukri. Either that or you're pretending not to. Why would he need to up his in-thread post count if he's dead? Furthermore, why are you just voting how dead people say? Is that a cover, so you can vote however you please without needing to provide a reason?

:holmes:

Awfully scummy.

Andres, orders sent for tonight.

I agree with Andres, more voting and discussion are needed! (or do I need to use my sword against you guys as well :duel: )

beskar must die.

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

beskar must die.

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ts must die.

You know, the mafia could be really nice and just kill them both for us, since it is obvious we will never lynch them.

woah... PEVER!!! i have totally forgot about you, how kind of you to pop up. i smelled vampire all over you at the start of the game... what are you hiding my friend. you show very Ancient behaviour!

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

woah... PEVER!!! i have totally forgot about you, how kind of you to pop up. i smelled vampire all over you at the start of the game... what are you hiding my friend. you show very Ancient behaviour!

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Yet I'm not the one sending suspicious PM's.

neither am i.

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

pever. you thought i was dead eh... hahahhaha im not. and now i know you are mafia as sure as i knew u were don in capo!

you will be lynched next turn!

sleep well tonight, evil minion. and tell your master, i am coming for him. let the wolves cry "were" tonight!

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Fine, how about silly PM's?

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

You know, the mafia could be really nice and just kill them both for us, since it is obvious we will never lynch them.

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You wouldn't need a lot of cookies to bribe me to vote TS. He's not providing anything for town at all and haven't done all game :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Fine, how about silly PM's?

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guilty.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

You wouldn't need a lot of cookies to bribe me to vote TS. He's not providing anything for town at all and haven't done all game :inquisitive:

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He's innocent. If he were mafia his own teammates would have strangled him by now for nearly getting himself lynched and not caring and continuing to do the behavior which would get him killed. Only I am that reckless with my life as mafia. It's a judgment call, but really if we were going to kill him we should have done it as soon as he first started getting annoying. Let's not waste these important endgame lynches. If the mafia have any intelligence they will kill him themselves. He grates on the nerves sometimes but I have faith (possibly misplaced...) that he will vote for a scumbag when it is crunch time.

We need him... like Craig Toomey in the Langoliers. I say we need him. At the very least, the Langoliers will eat him instead of us.

DE is mafia.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

DE is mafia.

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What's the evidence against him? I am at a loss for leads atm.

I wish we had more vig shots. Those are perfect for distractions. For real suspects you want the record in the voting.

if people had listened to me mafia would have been dead by now... but nooooo... people wanted to lycnh white_eyes and aotheotes

beskar must die,
pever must die,
tincow must die

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Originally Posted by Renata

I wish we had more vig shots. Those are perfect for distractions. For real suspects you want the record in the voting.

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Have the vig shots been used? I thought you still had two.

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

Have the vig shots been used? I thought you still had two.

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Nice of you to pop by just when there's an accusation against Diamondeye.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

What's the evidence against him? I am at a loss for leads atm.

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Pizza is mafia.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Pizza is mafia.

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:laugh4: Awesome killing past death powers, activate! Destroy the also-dead Sasaki!!!

I'm not in any games here or at TWC, I'm in two games with lame roles at CFC and I don't start back to work until tomorrow. I'm bored, I can only watch so much pron and it's a lovely sunny day outside, I'm sick of the sun. I looked up the last write up and the list of kills didn't distinguish between vig kills and scum kills, so I was just asking if they had been used. If you'd rather I'll go away and be bored elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by The Stranger

if people had listened to me mafia would have been dead by now... but nooooo... people wanted to lycnh white_eyes and aotheotes

beskar must die,
pever must die,
tincow must die

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Unfortunately, you're not as good a mafia hunter as you think you are.

Andres: "oh! Somebody posted in my game! I hope he's enjoying himself and is having fun. Let's see what he has to say!"

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

I'm bored, I can only watch so much pron and it's a lovely sunny day outside, I'm sick of the sun.

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:mean:

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Originally Posted by Andres

Andres: "oh! Somebody posted in my game! I hope he's enjoying himself and is having fun. Let's see what he has to say!"



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:shame:

:hanged:

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Originally Posted by johnhughthom

I'm not in any games here or at TWC, I'm in two games with lame roles at CFC and I don't start back to work until tomorrow. I'm bored, I can only watch so much pron and it's a lovely sunny day outside, I'm sick of the sun. I looked up the last write up and the list of kills didn't distinguish between vig kills and scum kills, so I was just asking if they had been used. If you'd rather I'll go away and be bored elsewhere.

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I just find it interesting that when other folks drop from the game, they don't continue to play because they aren't rooting for any team anymore. So, if you're still interested, I can only conclude you had to drop for some RL reason, and now you're back and want to support your replacement friend, who is mafia.

Andres is mafia.

Miyamoto Musashi > Sasaki Kojiro.

Hmmm... I think this focus on lurkers can go too far. Slapping lurkers around once in a while is good to keep them on their toes, but I think it's unlikely all the mafioso are lurkers. I'm going to say we need to lynch Kage tomorrow. Clearly active and paying a lot of attention to the game, but failing to provide any deep analysis. Seems odd for Kage to put that much time and effort into reviewing all the posts of multiple day phases and still have no arguments to make against someone.

wow what an activity! seems like the right spots are being hit.

Andres should die. this way, everyone wins!

Let's not kid ourselves, we all know that that the evidence against TinCow is too strong to leave it sit any longer.

agreed. die!

Sasaki has commanded, he must be obeyed!

TS can and has been this bad ATPG.

I remember Fantasy Mafia. He was like this.

I thought I'd just give my argument for why I should have been retained as Naib (no offense to the lovely Diana):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The Naib was brushing off her sword-fighting outfit when Atheotes was dragged in.

"Another day, another lynch," she said. "What's this one done?"

"He's always Mafia!" yelled split. "Just look at him!"

Renata looked at him. Then she looked at split. "I thought we were looking for vampires," she said.

"Well ..." said split. He scooted off to the side and was replaced by TinCow.

"Atheotes is always Mafia!" said TinCow.

"I see," said Renata. "Do you have anything to say in your own defense, Atheotes?"

The accused Dagger glared, well, glared daggers at her.

"This is so pathetic!" he cried. "I'm never Mafia -- well there was that cult thing recently, but that doesn't count. And I vaguely remember something before that, but it was over so fast it might as well have never happened. But other than that, I'm never Mafia! Never! This is all just some ridiculous in-joke that's gone way too far, and it always gets me in trouble, and it's Just. Not. Fair! I'M SO SICK OF IT!"

"I see," said Renata. "So you'd like to be Mafia."

Atheotes' mouth opened as if he were about to rant some more, but then he thought better of it. He regarded the Naib silently.

"Wait right here," she told him. She sent one of the Daggers running off for supplies, then set about touching up the shine on her black boots.

"Are you going to pretend to fight me, too?" asked Atheotes.

"Ah, no," said Renata. "I think you've been wronged. You should get the chance to do something about that."

"Really?" said Atheotes. "Because I hear you cheat."

"Oh I do," said the Naib. "But you'll have to worry about that another time. I see my errand boy has returned."

Diamondeye nodded to Renata, and handed her three wrapped parcels before retreating to the walls of the courtyard along with the rest of the surviving Daggers. The first was a fedora, the second a black trench coat. She handed both of these to the unresisting Atheotes, who looked at her quizzically. It was only when she pulled out the antique tommy gun that his eyes began to gleam.

"I don't even care if you kill me," he breathed. "This is my DREAM."

"You're mafia," Renata said quietly, so no one else could hear. "Have at it." She'd retreated prudently behind a massive urn by the time Atheotes began to fire.

"HAHAHAHAHA," yelled Atheotes with glee. "I'm the mafia, fools! Die, townie scum!" The tommy gun chattered and roared, almost but not quite obscuring the screams of the Daggers as they fled the courtyard. Crimson gore splattered the stones and the walls. Some if it landed uncomfortably close to Renata; she pulled her gleaming boots a bit further into the shadow of the urn. At length, there was silence, except for the footsteps, approaching.

The tommy gun's barrel poked through the shrubbery behind her head. "I saved the last bullet for you," whispered Atheotes.

"That's only appropriate," said Renata.

Atheotes pulled the trigger. The gun exploded. Despite her carefully chosen cover, a few chunks of Atheotes landed on Renata's spotless boots. "Yuck," she said.

There wasn't enough left of Atheotes' heart to drive a stake into, but she severed his spinal cord without much difficulty.

The rest of the Daggers, most of whom had been severely bruised by the fake bullets and all of whom had incurred steep dry-cleaning bills from the fake blood that had filled them, were not amused.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

TS can and has been this bad ATPG.

I remember Fantasy Mafia. He was like this.

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not at all i kicked ass in FM... i was so good at duels!!

oh.. im confused with KUNG FU MAFIA!!!

Yay! Renata's errand boy, that's me :beam:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Unfortunately, you're not as good a mafia hunter as you think you are.

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One might think he was scum, but he is most likely just *rhymes with scum*.

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Originally Posted by Renata

I thought I'd just give my argument for why I should have been retained as Naib (no offense to the lovely Diana):

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The Naib was brushing off her sword-fighting outfit when Atheotes was dragged in.

"Another day, another lynch," she said. "What's this one done?"

"He's always Mafia!" yelled split. "Just look at him!"

Renata looked at him. Then she looked at split. "I thought we were looking for vampires," she said.

"Well ..." said split. He scooted off to the side and was replaced by TinCow.

"Atheotes is always Mafia!" said TinCow.

"I see," said Renata. "Do you have anything to say in your own defense, Atheotes?"

The accused Dagger glared, well, glared daggers at her.

"This is so pathetic!" he cried. "I'm never Mafia -- well there was that cult thing recently, but that doesn't count. And I vaguely remember something before that, but it was over so fast it might as well have never happened. But other than that, I'm never Mafia! Never! This is all just some ridiculous in-joke that's gone way too far, and it always gets me in trouble, and it's Just. Not. Fair! I'M SO SICK OF IT!"

"I see," said Renata. "So you'd like to be Mafia."

Atheotes' mouth opened as if he were about to rant some more, but then he thought better of it. He regarded the Naib silently.

"Wait right here," she told him. She sent one of the Daggers running off for supplies, then set about touching up the shine on her black boots.

"Are you going to pretend to fight me, too?" asked Atheotes.

"Ah, no," said Renata. "I think you've been wronged. You should get the chance to do something about that."

"Really?" said Atheotes. "Because I hear you cheat."

"Oh I do," said the Naib. "But you'll have to worry about that another time. I see my errand boy has returned."

Diamondeye nodded to Renata, and handed her three wrapped parcels before retreating to the walls of the courtyard along with the rest of the surviving Daggers. The first was a fedora, the second a black trench coat. She handed both of these to the unresisting Atheotes, who looked at her quizzically. It was only when she pulled out the antique tommy gun that his eyes began to gleam.

"I don't even care if you kill me," he breathed. "This is my DREAM."

"You're mafia," Renata said quietly, so no one else could hear. "Have at it." She'd retreated prudently behind a massive urn by the time Atheotes began to fire.

"HAHAHAHAHA," yelled Atheotes with glee. "I'm the mafia, fools! Die, townie scum!" The tommy gun chattered and roared, almost but not quite obscuring the screams of the Daggers as they fled the courtyard. Crimson gore splattered the stones and the walls. Some if it landed uncomfortably close to Renata; she pulled her gleaming boots a bit further into the shadow of the urn. At length, there was silence, except for the footsteps, approaching.

The tommy gun's barrel poked through the shrubbery behind her head. "I saved the last bullet for you," whispered Atheotes.

"That's only appropriate," said Renata.

Atheotes pulled the trigger. The gun exploded. Despite her carefully chosen cover, a few chunks of Atheotes landed on Renata's spotless boots. "Yuck," she said.

There wasn't enough left of Atheotes' heart to drive a stake into, but she severed his spinal cord without much difficulty.

The rest of the Daggers, most of whom had been severely bruised by the fake bullets and all of whom had incurred steep dry-cleaning bills from the fake blood that had filled them, were not amused.

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:laugh4: that was good...pity you did not manage to lynch a scum and you did not get re-elected.

why are you so keen on becoming the Naib again?

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Originally Posted by Beskar

One might think he was scum, but he is most likely just *rhymes with scum*.

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who do you think is scum?

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Originally Posted by atheotes

:laugh4: that was good...pity you did not manage to lynch a scum and you did not get re-elected.

why are you so keen on becoming the Naib again?

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Because I'm a control freak and a paranoiac. If it's me, it is by definition not a mafia or dubious 'special role'.

Why didn't you play like this when you were still alive?

I unintentionally broke a rule of the game in revealing my results to Diana -- Naib results are only to be reported in public. I told Andres about it, and my choices are reveal publicly or be wogged. Which is no choice, really, although I am grateful I wasn't just killed outright.

I protected Diana all three days, using TinCow, atheotes and atheotes to do the protecting.

-_-.... and again i was right. but hey... you cant say stuff like that or people will hate you. so much for emancipation.

any reason why you protected her 3 nights in a row?

Renata is a powerful soothsayer, she was protecting our future Naib :laugh4:

You joke, but that's pretty much it. Unless Pizza is a dead Ancient Vampire who's going to come back at the end and eat us all; or unless he's a lot worse at reading Diana than he claims to be; his lack of accusation against Diana means she is very likely innocent. That made her a solid choice to protect, and I saw no reason to change the decision once made.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Because I'm a control freak and a paranoiac. If it's me, it is by definition not a mafia or dubious 'special role'.

Why didn't you play like this when you were still alive?

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RL got in the way :furious3:

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Originally Posted by Renata

You joke, but that's pretty much it. Unless Pizza is a dead Ancient Vampire who's going to come back at the end and eat us all; or unless he's a lot worse at reading Diana than he claims to be; his lack of accusation against Diana means she is very likely innocent. That made her a solid choice to protect, and I saw no reason to change the decision once made.

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I would come back and eat you, but I just got the worms that are eating my brain arranged just the way I like them, and I'm not messing that up.

You realize, Renata, that the ancient vamp gets to pick their slaves and other then the obvious one I'd rather not discuss, there are in-game reasons for him to do so. How best to help out someone you care about by putting them in such a position. Would be very interesting.

Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Sorry, I'm having trouble parsing that.

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I second this; Can you rephrase your comment, Methos?

Night 8 - Conclusion

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Niklas had been naughty that night.

The constant pressure was just too much to take and he simply had to go somewhere. Against all good advice from the Naibs, he decided to leave his hotelroom to take a short walk. Just catching some fresh air, nothing more. He would be back within the hour.

As he was walking through the city, he ran into a bar, called "El Fanatico Civilizado." He entered the bar and forgot all about time...

There were some really great people at that place and allthough he never had the intention to get drunk or to stay there for too long, the atmosphere, the people and the music were just too good. The special cocktail "IV" probably had something to do with it. That stuff was just irresistable and he found himself at the bar, constantly ordering just... one... more... IV...

Eventually, some of the regulars had to drag him out. As he was standing outside, inhaling fresh air, he slowly came back to his senses.

What had he been thinking! The vampire hunting society was facing its' biggest threat in centuries and here he was, partying and getting drunk. If they failed, humanity would be doomed! He suddenly felt very guilty. For days, he had hardly spoken a word during the councils and now he was here, barely able to keep his balance, being drunk.

Niklas turned away from the tempting disco lights, booze, music and gorgeous women and walked back home, his cheeks glowing with a shameful blush.

Still muttering in himself about how irresponsible he had been, he entered a narrow, steep alley, not noticing the figure wearing a dark cloak that had been following him.

"Naughty, very naughty indeed," a voice whispered behind Niklas.

"Huh?" were his final words, before a wooden club hit him on the head. While he was falling down, the figure jumped forward, drew a blade and seperated poor Niklas' head from his body.

Without hesitating, the killer left the scene.

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Day 9
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Diana was furious.

"Are you all idiots? Who else was outside their hotels while they were supposed to be inside, behind a locked door! Gah!"

The daggers looked ashamed and stared at the ground.

"We only lost one dagger last night. I don't know what to think of it. Maybe we are making progress, maybe not. But since there's still somebody out killing daggers, we'll have to continue this."

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Alive (17)

1. TheFlax
2. Renata
3. Beskar
4. Diana Abnoba
5. Double A
6. TinCow
7. The Stranger
8. Methos
9. spL1tp3r50naL1ty
10. Jolt
11. Choxorn
12. Kukrikhan
13. Beefy187
14. Kagemusha
15. pevergreen
16. DiamondEye
17. Scienter

Killed (15)

autolycus
Yaropolk
Chaotix
Centurion1
Ibn-Khaldun
Psychonaut
Sasaki Kojiro
Yaseikhaan
Peasant Phill
Death is yonder
YLC
Secura
Captain Blackadder
GreyBlades
Niklas

Lynched (7)

Csargo
Askthepizzaguy
Seon
GeneralHankerchief
White_Eyes:D
Romanic
atheotes

WoG (1)
AVSM

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It's now day. You can start voting. Day will last for +/- 24 hours.

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@ Renata

No offense taken, you are a much better creative writer than me (most of you guys are), (and never said I was, nor asked for this position BTW). I only gave the lynch idea to Andres he wrote the write up (and he added the Pizza part to BTW).

Also thanks again for the protections.



No Pizza is not coming back from the grave to kill you all, but maybe he could, to help me with the next lynch story (please, :deal: :kiss: )



@ TS
Because I innocent!

I think Methos is saying that Pizza and Diana are a couple in real life and are therefore working together.

Sorry, let me explain this way. Say I managed to talk my wife into playing mafia and then say I was chosen to play the ancient vampire and had the choice to choose my slaves, then I would consider choosing my wife as one of them. Why? It would give her the chance to be on the mafia team and it would allow me to help her. As far as I know Diana has never been mafia, so if ATPG were the ancient vamp, this would be a great time to both give her the opportunity and help her if she is in need of it. So his never accusing her may not mean she's not guilty, it may simply mean he doesn't wish to accuse his mafia teammate.

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Sorry, let me explain this way. Say I managed to talk my wife into playing mafia and then say I was chosen to play the ancient vampire and had the choice to choose my slaves, then I would consider choosing my wife as one of them. Why? It would give her the chance to be on the mafia team and it would allow me to help her. As far as I know Diana has never been mafia, so if ATPG were the ancient vamp, this would be a great time to both give her the opportunity and help her if she is in need of it. So his never accusing her may not mean she's not guilty, it may simply mean he doesn't wish to accuse his mafia teammate.

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If I were the ancient vampire, then the ancient one is already dead. Doesn't work that way in Godfather games. Godfather dies, mafia goes kaput. Here on the .org anyway.

If I were a slave, the kills would have dropped a while ago. No dice there either.

Diana and I have been mafia together not once, but twice. I'd be a terrible pick, and vice-versa, since suspicion on me lands on the other, and so on.

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Originally Posted by Methos

Sorry, let me explain this way. Say I managed to talk my wife into playing mafia and then say I was chosen to play the ancient vampire and had the choice to choose my slaves, then I would consider choosing my wife as one of them. Why? It would give her the chance to be on the mafia team and it would allow me to help her. As far as I know Diana has never been mafia, so if ATPG were the ancient vamp, this would be a great time to both give her the opportunity and help her if she is in need of it. So his never accusing her may not mean she's not guilty, it may simply mean he doesn't wish to accuse his mafia teammate.

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IIIRC she was mafia in the first Innishmore game, but I do follow what you are saying. I'm not sure I agree though, it really depends on the person, some would choose people they don't really know all that well, some would choose people who are considered very good and some would choose their friends. In the end, its not always obvious who would choose who.

EDIT: Also, only one kill? Successful protection or atheotes = mafia? Would be good to know I think.

But Pizza is dead. Are you seriously suggesting a Kagemusha-in-shadow-fort situation here?

Vote: Kagemusha

Same reason I gave earlier.

Diana, have you recieved word as to whether your protection was the cause of the single kill, or can we assume that we caught a mafia in Atheotes?

Methos, are you really that distracted from the game? Or are you just looking to paint targets on those with authority? I think you could use some pressure, you've been rather quiet. vote: Methos

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EDIT: Also, only one kill? Successful protection or atheotes = mafia? Would be good to know I think.

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Option 3: Inactive player. Splitpersonality. Legitimately inactive only lately. Otherwise was active just not posting.

Option 4: WIFOM to throw us off the scent. We're focusing on it.

Pizza is dead! Not mafia, since he died like round 2 or 3! BTW I would not pick him now as my partner, because he is always up for the lynch (makes me too nervous)...and we are always put together. I have died, in games, to get to him, when we were town, from the mafia. In capo, I was killed so I could not help, in the network we created and protect him during the nights...I'm getting sick of it-always dying by the 1/2 way mark. So I think he tried to help protect me this time so I can finally make it through a game alive. He would not pick me now, because of the same reasons, and would pick better mafia players than myself (he likes to win you know- esp. as mafia).


Edit: God I hate being such a slow typist (by the time I finish typing my post like 5 more post pop up) dang it!

(about split) If I'm counting right he should be wogged by the end of the day, or tomorrow at the latest. We can probably afford to wait that one out.

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Originally Posted by Renata

If I'm counting right he should be wogged by the end of the day, or tomorrow at the latest. We can probably afford to wait that one out.

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I agree. It's a shame too, we need every vote.

Yeah, I know you think he's a townie.

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Originally Posted by Renata

Yeah, I know you think he's a townie.

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I think there's no reason to vote for split unless he shows up to avoid the WOG. Innocent or not, the WOG will handle him. We should focus on others.

Just got results from last night. The person I had protected, was not attacked last night, nor did I use a Vig kill last night. So it looks like we finally got 1, Atheotes was mafia!! So now think who could be on a team with him.

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Originally Posted by Diana Abnoba

Just got results from last night. The person I had protected, was not attacked last night, nor did I use a Vig kill last night. So it looks like we finally got 1, Atheotes was mafia!! So now think who could be on a team with him.

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Precisely my point: if they dropped their kills by 1, we could waste an entire round chasing an untamed ornithoid without cause. And every lynch counts a lot at this late stage. Sacrifice 1 kill to waste one of our few remaining lynches. Is a brilliant plan.

Not saying it's likely, just a real possibility.

Edit (@ Diana) Okay.

@ Pizza: This whole thing needs some thought. I did suggest that finding out Atheotes was mafia should direct us to one (or heck, maybe two) of several players (those in the two-vote category a couple days back). That makes the WIFOM idea worth considering, because that list is long enough that *if* all of them are townies, pursuing that lead could sink us. However, it should also be considered that in order to make that work, the mafia would have to voluntarily give up a kill every night from now to the end of the game. At a minimum (if Atheotes is not mafia and they decide after today the whole thing is pointless and go back to two tonight), they have given up a kill. That is not a trivial thing for mafia to do, and it would likely have to come with some serious gain attached to be worth it.

We need to determine who might stand to gain, and by how much, to figure out how seriously to take the idea of WIFOM last night.

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Originally Posted by Diana Abnoba

Just got results from last night. The person I had protected, was not attacked last night, nor did I use a Vig kill last night. So it looks like we finally got 1, Atheotes was mafia!! So now think who could be on a team with him.

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While that is the most likely scenario, don't lock yourself into that reasoning too heavily. It could also be an intentional kill drop or a failure to submit night orders. If you've got a case against someone and an atheotes-connection works on top of that, that's great... but it's tunnel vision to focus exclusively on partners for atheotes for voting purposes. The longer we go without 2 night kills, the more likely atheotes was mafia and the stronger those connections become... but for now there's a good deal of WIFOM in it, so it should only be used as supporting evidence.

heh, "only as supporting evidence", compared to what...

:laugh4: beat you to it, Tincow! :grin:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

heh, "only as supporting evidence", compared to what...

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A case based primarily on in-thread behavior, with a connection to atheotes thrown in as a minor aspect. As opposed to looking primarily for partners for atheotes and then trying to find scummy thread behavior for them.

If I'm thinking too much like a lawyer, my apologies. I've been reviewing Westlaw cases all day about proper methods of weighing evidence. It bleeds over.

Here's the list, for reference:

Beskar: 2 (Captain Blackadder, The Stranger)
The Stranger: 2 (Beskar, Choxorn)
Romanic: 2 (White_Eyes:D, Beefy187)
Beefy187: 2 (Jolt, pevergreen)
Kagemusha: 2

Romanic is already dead, so that leaves four. Kagemusha has been under some pressure, and could easily serve as a sacrificial mislynch; so could Beefy or Beskar for that matter. Heck, I'm sure there's some people who'd be pleased as punch to vote Beskar. The WIFOM idea *is* plausible.

Of that bunch I'd be most likely to vote for Kagemusha, but I'm not ready to do it yet.

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Originally Posted by Renata

However, it should also be considered that in order to make that work, the mafia would have to voluntarily give up a kill every night from now to the end of the game.

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Why?

They could easily drop the ruse tonight. Messing up one of our few remaining lynches with a near-100% success rate is worth a temporary drop in kills. Deed accomplished, they resume killing at full power, and we become panicky and confused.