Or is it Newyn v Pizza and only Newyn v Pizza. LMK it can inform a future vote of mine.
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Or is it Newyn v Pizza and only Newyn v Pizza. LMK it can inform a future vote of mine.
You never know what the final vote will be. Wheel of voting turn turn turn.
Yeah, sure, make it Newyn v. Pizza. probable mafia v. certain mafia. I'm voting the certain mafia.
No, and no. It's you or Newyn, and Newyn only if Monty agrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I didn't see you write the words "Yes Pizza, I will help you lynch my suspect, a suspect you and I both share, at this, the most critical lynch of the game."Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
I must be going blind.
Won't it be interesting if you and El Barto and Monty all agree it has to be Newyn after this sequence of events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Well, Monty? Is it Newyn?
What do you think of me calling out all three of you and saying Newyn's a townie?
It's all the improperly fermented fish and that mania your new countrymen have of spelling ä and ö as æ and ø -your reading skills are impaired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Fascinating retort.
So, let's recap:
Monty, El Barto, and Renata refuse to lynch one another and will only lynch inside khaan, Newyn, or Pizza.
Pizza isn't voting for Pizza or Khaan. Those are the places wherein I will launch nukes if you launch nukes.
So, it's now up to the following people:
1) atheotes
2) Bsmith
3) Khaan
4) Newyn
To force my nukes onto the others with their vote.
If you want my recommendation, lynch Renata first. She may have claimed bulletproof to provide herself some cover if I ever shot her and she lived.
It's also bafflingly horrendous strategy for a townie to claim bulletproof.
But a scumbag who wants to explain their not dying might claim bulletproof because they don't have a townie mindset.
They may also want the vigilante to claim so they can block this person.
Pizza, you can call out whoever you like. If you can get me, or anyone else lynched, kudos to you. It will be well deserved. I will applaud you after 'mafia victory' pops up, while I cry in my water glass.
Yep, if I can get anyone lynched after this stinkfest of a game it will only reinforce the crappy meta I have that the game is only about askthepizzaguy, and who he wants to lynch, and I will be very very grateful the game ends with my lynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
My cap is off to you.
Oh yay, we're back to calling my play horrendous, at least that's familiar.
Why haven't you shot her then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
You're claiming to be townie and that lynching you ends the game. I did not see Visor post anywhere that this was a LYLO scenario. I must be going blind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
My second best suggestion is El Barto, who refused to lynch Monty, a guy he wanted dead all game, when I offered to.
And even when I moved my vote off and re-offered to.
http://gamedevparty.fr/wp-content/up...012/10/gtw.jpg
It's difficult for me to see a scenario where Newyn is scum, or as scum who should be tested today, unless he is part of the same team as Pizza - in which case why would he be the one to test today? To say nothing of Khaan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
But beyond that, if I read you right you are asking me to be the kingmaker, the lynchpin. That's a lot of power to chew on. I admittedly have a weakness for power. At my worst I am a gloryhound. And I haven't outright commanded a lynch in at least a year, when I was (sort of) the elected leader of the town.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spHEw2n9LwE
Because I have him as your scum-partner, you pineapple-brained cheese pie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I'm not asking you to be anything. I'm fine with a Pizza lynch today. I'm just stating my conditions for Pizza's dangling bait of voting Newyn instead. Since you've already stated your opposition to the idea, and since we can't split votes, there's no reason for me alone to switch even if I did see Newyn as a better bet than Pizza, and I don't really. I think they're a package deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
This game is going to be interesting even after today. For sure Monty and Barto both survive,even if both are town.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Yep, tomorrow I'll be back to voting Monty and he'll be back to telling me to get off it.
Any possibility of me voting for Newyn will be off the table in 10 hours.
Careful observers will notice I have not vetoed him or even atheotes.
But several people are saying Newyn is scum, yet are not forcing the issue with me. Looks like stalling.
I think X and Y and Z are scum, Z says he's willing to lynch X and Y with me. I still think X and Y are scum, but I will not take Z up on his offer to lynch scums because:
I will accept "I don't want to get fooled by Askthepizzaguy again" as the only legitimate townie argument for that course of action.
And I will make clucking noises at you in my brain.
He's not town.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
YEEEEAAAHHHHHHQuote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Cluck as much as you want, boyo.
I think Askthepizzaguy is scumbag partners with Newyn.
He's offering to vote for Newyn. Several people who think Newyn is scum say.... nope.
Pizza votes those people instead. Your fault, too, btw.
Can any of the Chrome-users use the plugin? It feels as if the only ones voting are pizza and myself.
I hope I'm out of it by then; picking between the two of you at LYLO would be no fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Irrelevant aside, I'm sitting here listening to my son practice his music, and he's being really cute.
Barto is not willing to lynch:
Monty, who he said is scum, with my help
Newyn, who he thinks is scum, with my help
Renata, with my help
Atheotes
BSmith
khaan
El Barto himself
Is any of that wrong? Because that's 7 out of 8, and some of those names are your own suspects. His lynches are exactly me and he opened the round on someone else.
Monty is not willing to lynch:
Newyn, with my help and that of another town read of his, Renata
El Barto, a guy who claims wants him dead all game but becomes be-feathered when I offer to help.
Renata, with my help.
Atheotes
BSmith
Monty himself
That's 6 out of 8. Let me know if I have this wrong. Some of those names are people who should, in theory, prevent it from being possible he can even win the game with if they follow through on their claimed suspicions of him, like El Barto.
Renata is not willing to lynch:
Newyn with Pizza's help. Claims willing to, won't do anything about it.
Monty
El Barto
atheotes
Bsmith
khaan, I take it?
Renata
Let me know if any of this is wrong. That's 7 out of 8.
Funny that I can even put Newyn's name on the table and nobody bats an eye, even though he's a common denominator.
Something's wrong in villager-town when villagers aren't willing to lynch their own claimed suspects with the only guy who has claimed a visibly confirmable power this game.
Vote: Renata
Open to switching to El Barto.
All this talking has made it abundantly clear that the only world where town doesn't lose is one where Pizza is town as I am always the mislynch scum can easily force if Pizza is scum.
The two bolded? I'm not going to split the vote and let you get off scot-free. El Barto is 100% town, I can guarantee that. Renata, atheotes, BSmith, none of them are anywhere as scummy right now as your two teammates. 'khaan was scummy. Where is he? I'm still not moving my vote off you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
xpost: then why are you not voting pizzaguy? Why Renata of all people?Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
hey Pizza, you claim that Renata, myself and Monty (pots) are scum together and a biiiiiig lead is that none of us is willing to lynch him- or herself. You (kettle) are not willing to be lynched yourself.
You do realize if you lynch a scumbag, and I'm a scumbag, I don't go anywhere tomorrow, right? And the closer I get to lylo with a visible power, the more forced my own murder is?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
It has been said that I was scum with Newyn. But I put that on the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
And none of the people who said that possibility was likely took me up on that offer.
What power?
I haven't taken it off the table and the main proponents of that theory are still not budging.
It doesn't seem like they believe in it.
If Pizza flips town, game is probably over.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
If Pizza flips scum, everyone has pretty much pre-determined that I'm scum with him.
That means the only realistic path from my point of view for there not to be a town mislynch that probably ends the game is vote with Pizza and pray that he is town and on the right track.
He won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
Yep, but thenQuote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
Why kill the person who tried to get him lynched last Day phase and says she's the only one who the mafia cannot nightkill?Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
I shot Zack on a night when another murder happened. No one else has claimed vigilante. It's a visible action that had ample time for a counterclaim or even me being shot as a result of it being a fake claim which it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
That… strangely reminds me of my latest game at MU, where a scummo tried to flush out a power role by claiming that same role to avoid being lynched. My purchasing habits do not include your bovine fertiliser among them, sir.
^Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
Newyn is right.
Logic is that thing where we go: I cannot win with X, Y, and Z. In order for me to win this game, I need to vote with people who need to be willing to lynch X or Y or Z. Those are my only options. I mean, I was all set up for voting these other people today and you guys all removed that option from me. If it's right, it's your own fault. If it's wrong, I was losing the game anyway.
Indeed? Why lynch someone who claimed to be nightkill immune in a game with a claimed known second shooter, when townies don't advertise that fact?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
I wasn't close to being lynched before the claim. Votes did pile on me while I was AFK after the claim, after I said I probably wouldn't be back.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Since it was v/v wagons anyway, we had a nice spread of votes from Monty to Renata to El Barto. Those votes on me didn't even have to be scumbags.
Clapclapclap. Good performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
Not sure I understand what you mean. I'm voting someone who voted to save Pizza. I can see wolves doing that regardless of whether Pizza is town or scum (either to gain town credit or to save a buddy)Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
There is actually one world of Pizza scum where I can win and that is if we lynch both of pizza's buddies before lynching him. Town can't mislynch me if there's no more wolves to lynch.
Barto, please don't buy Pizza's framing here. I'm perfectly nightkillable. I always have been. I'm playing WIFOM with a single-use bulletproof vest that I lose once used, regardless if I've actually been shot at or not. I have never had, nor have I ever claimed, to have a passive NK protection. It's all up to me faking out the scum correctly for a missed kill, or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Pizza keeps ignoring this and claiming the opposite in order to fit his "theory" better.
How? As I explained to Pizza, this only makes sense if the alternative was to contest the likely lynch of a scum partner the next day, during LYLO. The only way saving Pizza makes sense is if:Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
1. A scum partner is the next candidate for lynch after Pizza.
2. Pizza is not pushing that scum partner.
So for scenario with town Pizza that leaves one possible team: a Khaan team.
Khaan is the only person who fits the above two conditions, in that he is not being pushed by Pizza and he is (was) a top candidate for lynch with Pizza out of the picture.
If Pizza is town and you are town, then Khaan will always be town, unless you believe scum decided to give themselves a handicap for fun.
If you claimed 1 shot doc, that would be playing WIFOM with scum. Claiming 1 shot BP just means wolves can pretend you don't exist if you're town and gives you an excuse for why you're never killed if you're scum.
Sorry, then Khaan will always be scum
But you aren't a mislynch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
Yes, yes, I'm not moving my vote off him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
Only if Newyn isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Assuming town pizza, why would they not push an al sips wagon?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
If Pizza had been lynched, can you honestly tell me that you believe Khaan would be the top suspect and not the person who survived the counter wagon - aka Al Sips?
I know I am, you're free to think what you want but that doesn't change my role and what I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
We know Al Sips is town, and so would the scum. Which, again, means they had no reason to save Pizza.Quote:
If Pizza had been lynched, can you honestly tell me that you believe Khaan would be the top suspect and not the person who survived the counter wagon - aka Al Sips?
Al Sips wagon existed because Pizza pushed it. Without Pizza, he would not have been a major suspect - but again, enough to get in the way of your lynch or atheotes lynch if that's where scum is.
Atheotes scum has no reason for it, nor Monty scum nor Renata scum nor Barto scum nor Bsmith scum nor you as scum. Only Khaan as scum might want it, and even then it would be a rather large risk.
How it happened.wall of text
At this point in the game I had been pushing atheotes, El Barto, and Al Sipsclar, but my vote was on atheotes. When that didn't take, I voted Al Sips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I had already claimed to be a vigilante.
Pizza is a villager voting for a villager, while accusing probably at least one other villager, while having claimed to shoot a villager, having lynched a couple villagers.
At this point if I lynch, that is one less Al Sipsclar voter, and people have to explain why they lynched the claimed vigilante.
Instead, votes move to Al Sipsclar.
Like this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
At this point in time, Novice, a townie, votes for pizza.
If Novice is successful, novice can be lynched the next day (today) instead. If Novice is not successful, Renata was voting elsewhere anyway. And so was El Barto. Wasn't their fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by novice
After all, he's just helping another townie lynch me. Won't be his fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Actually invests in the vote with a reason. Shows his work and his thinking. This vote is not unreasonable. It's not how I play but it's a process I can understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
Meanwhile, El Barto keeps his vote parked away from the fracas.
This is too many names.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
Stuff like this shows atheotes is focused elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
atheotes likewise invests in his read of me as scum and explains his thinking. This vote and his sticking to that read even when Al becomes a possibility doesn't clear him, and I wish he wouldn't keep waiting until close to the end of rounds to make that investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
For those reasons I opened with a vote on him today.
The last minute save of me and the prediction it was v/v wagons gave me pause. I come into this round super paranoid that it is Newyn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
Newyn bringing attention to El Barto and making the critical vote that does attract attention to himself, and prefacing it before making the vote movement demonstrates commitment to the read. Somewhat. He still thinks I'm lying.
But he's not boxing me in completely today. And no one who says he's scum is actually pushing it, they're making a show of it. That doesn't look great for Newyn but it looks worse for his accusers.
Bsmith doesn't make the critical vote but makes the vote which makes Newyn's vote possible. He's taking a stand while Renata is waffling about both wagons and El Barto is off wagon.Quote:
Originally Posted by BSmith
Granted he's in an entirely perfectly safe position regardless so this is null. But it's not scummy.
Seems to be prompting atheotes to hop wagons and end up getting blamed for the result. She didn't have me as townie and didn't strongly invest in the Al Sips read either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
At the time, I thought Renata was town. This was going to be my final thought of the game as I'm being lynched. Then Newyn jumps on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
I still think Al Sips wagon was full of townies but I can be wrong about 5/5.
I didn't like this comment and it contributed to me opening the day on atheotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by atheotes
But there's seemingly no one alive willing to lynch atheotes. As such, town only wins if I'm wrong. By default, I'm going with that. Who does that leave?
Novice dies, who is not getting votes yet wasn't voting correctly. If I only need to lynch pizza and I don't necessarily need novice's vote to do it, this is who I kill. It doesn't weaken my position at all and leaves more lynchable people alive.
Renata opens today with a vote on me, says Newyn is another option. Monty opens with vote on khaan, is willing to vote me but not his accuser Barto, and El Barto opens with vote on Monty, says Newyn is scum. Each of the three voting divided. But when push comes to shove, El Barto won't actually lynch Monty. Renata won't actually lynch Newyn. Barto won't actually lynch Newyn.
The one person they are willing to lynch is the claimed vigilante, but not the no-reason-claimed bulletproof. Nor their own suspects even with my help.
How it happened.wall of text
You're doing the same thing as Pizza. It's not a generic one-shot bulletproof. I never said it was. I only get one try to use it and if I use it and am not hit that night, it's wasted. That means it's up to me not only to get myself shot at, I also have to ensure I'm shot at on the right night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
I don't think this is an accident. This is a deliberate misinterpretation of the power I was given in order to make me look as bad as possible.
Which they would do, you know, if they were mafia, which, you know, they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
What role? Please, clueless vanilla townie is my shtick, exasperated possibly 1-off bulletproof is Renata, annoying wannabe-vigilante is askthemafiaguy's, and yours? Don't make me laugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
And I'm going to ignore pizza's wall of text. He's scum, end of story.
If that's wrong someone can give me an alternate explanation.
I will hear it out provided they are (a) willing to lynch their own suspects (b) they have more than one suspect, or their one suspect's name isn't pizza-related.
And the thing is I'd clarify at this point whether I still have it or not if someone I think is townie asked, if they thought that benefitted. So far no one has.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Suspects: person with ‘Know the Dark Side’ as their usertitle-Newyn-Monty. I am willing to lynch them that's why I have only voted them this phase. Happy? Now be quiet and wait for you lynch, doughie.
Ah, but Monty is also scum, end of story, but you won't lynch him. Isn't that so?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
The opportunity to push for another town member isn't reason enough to give the appearance of trying to save Pizza?Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
I'm not sure how your mind works but if Al Sip's main (and in your opinion only) accuser died and flipped town, I'd certainly be taking a serious look at him again even if I had previously read him as town.
Are you sure you don't want me to spew more information before I flip scum? I usually don't tell my scum suspects to be quiet.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Barto
Why would that benefit us, unless you still had it, which may or may not be true? If that Merlot in front of you helps, so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
I've already said you're not going to make me split the waggons, atpg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Also for someone who finds Monty and Newyn both scum, you seem to be impressively invested in asking them questions or pressing them harder.
Hiding behind the fact that you can only vote one person at a time?
I move my vote around and other people don't stop existing when I'm voting for someone else, case in point.
FTFY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
No, I'm not misinterpreting anything like you're claiming. Claiming a 1 shot bulletproof means wolves probably just ignore you for the kill and go on their merry way. It benefits wolves by telling them where not to shoot, that does not really help town. It's not about the specifics of your bp, it's about how useful your claim is in helping town and how useful it'd be if you're actually scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renata
If you wanted to WIFOM the wolves, you'd have claimed 1 shot doc, plain and simple.
If you're trying to draw the kill to you as one would with a bulletproof power, one shot doctor does seem to be one of the top ideas.
One shot bulletproof that has to be activated and vanishes even if it doesn't work is an impressively bad power. I believe you can be bulletproof, I think you claimed it because you thought I was the vigilante. Ergo, your suspicion on me yesterday, and your repeated assertions that you were distraught over Zack's death specifically.
Gives you cover for accusing anyone who claims that shot.
You did in fact also repeatedly prompt me to admit being the vigilante. You made the call near the start of the round and repeated it later. I only acquiesced to your demand because I thought you were a townie. Otherwise with no more shots (something you couldn't have known!) it's pointless to claim anyway, and with additional shots, it's terribad to claim.
Claim bp under no pressure is never a townie tactic, and asking the vigilante to claim when there are no dead scums and therefore they can possibly roleblock or bus drive or bulletproof someone to prevent it from being effective, is unwise. I think the only reason I didn't get pushed that round by Renata for claiming vig is because of where I was voting. As long as I lynched additional townies, she was fine with any outcome.
In other words, they benefit more from not lifting a finger? That's what I said multiple times. Do you even know what you're trying to argue at this point?Quote:
The opportunity to push for another town member isn't reason enough to give the appearance of trying to save Pizza?
I'm not sure how your mind works but if Al Sip's main (and in your opinion only) accuser died and flipped town, I'd certainly be taking a serious look at him again even if I had previously read him as town.
This is also nonsense. Claiming one-shot doc doesn't impact strategy at all unless it's to kill Renata specifically. At least Pizza's nonsense has a veneer of logic to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newyn
What would you say is the most logical thing I've said so far?
Too many posts.Quote:
What would you say is the most logical thing I've said so far?
Vote: Renata
:stare:Quote:
Originally Posted by seireikhaan
Actually, :inquisitive: is better than :stare: for that post. But both apply.
You missed the most appropriate one: :daisy:
It's 4am my time. If I want anyone to actually read what I said, I need to shut up and walk away now. It's on this page, scroll up.