Cereal killer mafia

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Originally Posted by Jan

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If I was a villager with traction d1 and as counterwagon d2 then I would be more alarmed and up in arms than Rask is.
These posts happened only after I made this post:



To me that change in perspective without actually feeling like somebody panicking and more like somebody doing what is expected does not add up.
And that could easily be a language barrier thing because rask and I are both not native (based on tasks country in the profile), but it rubbed me the wrong way tbh.

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im noticing how you are all of the sudden in the "not trying" zone today and I know you are gonna try to set up Rask tomorrow, you better say something like "oh i knew cape was town, we really should have gotten Rask back there I made all these cases on him they were so good"

But you dont really care about your cases do you?

You haven't signal boosted them after all, not today. You don't care as long as a townie dies and between me and Suibian, who cares amirite?

I encourage the rest of town to look at Suibian again and read their long posts

im sorry they ooze too much town for me to ignore

i dont care how bad their EOD looks to you, IM THE KING OF BAD EODS AS TOWN.

And as cringe as it was for Suibian to take that crown away from me, I still had a bad EOD :p

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Originally Posted by Jan

My favorite old-school read on me is that I am funny as a villager and more forced as a wolf.
I have fooled that one before but I am always amused by it.

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hmm

u haven't made me laugh this game

EN GAURDE :duel:

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Originally Posted by Jan

I am afraid that this game which feels competent and mostly fun will be a buzzkill because we find out the wolf-team basically didn't play d1.

Bart
sleep
cape

team would be heartbreaking in that regard.
sleep and cape did a good job afterwards tbh.


Visor
EnderWiggin
Syn

Suibian
Ladd

Raskolnikov
Cape90

Sleep

Is where I am at.

Sleep and Cape have good toan going for them, but that is more based on playstyle than anything else.
Hard to see the difference between not really into it villa and wolf in a corner that has mostly given up in Sleeps behavior.

If the bottom 3 do not include 2 wolves then either mech is wrong (which I don't think is true) or there is an actual deep wolf.


I think if ladd is a wolf he is mostly forced to push me into the poe slowly but surely because he just loses a f3 with tammy and myself.
But he doubled down on me as villa today.

I am kind of sad that I didn't see rask panic more about yesterday being v/v wagons with little momentum to change.
That would have been my perspective as v in that position. Both of them voted off wagon and the only person who was not involved in the two main wagons is Taffy.

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you are the same person who tried to put a lot of sus on Visor and yet here he's ur top town

how do u plead?

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Originally Posted by Jan

Oof. I kind of thought we had one more hour last EoD. Euros changed clocks last weekend and ofc I didn't factor that in.

Vt flip is not surprising but makes me feel better about the other claims.

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you were talking earlier about JOAT though like u believed the claim

i guess i will just leave it there, I don't have any more hot button hits on Jan rly, he played well but he's the defeatist wolf

as you will see I am VT, I wouldn't be doing this, no matter how bad ur finding my postings rn

Last second I will probably will switch to Suibian on the off chance that me and Sui tie/Sui gets majority or something and the off off chance that I am wrong and Suibian was really the wolf all along, I dont think Jan will happen obviously since i am talking to myself, but my legacy is wanting Jan dead

Ugh but Rask is tinfoilable with Syn dead, but also I think wolves might have just killed Syn on virtue of being PR/probably not going to be protected by EnderWiggin, not gonna be voted out

yknow a combination of those things

Like Rask thinking the NK was to frame him when I have hard defended him before that post is extremely silly in the world where Rask also thinks I am wolf

y'know it's funny that i think flavor claiming was supposed to be a whole part of this game, but like, nobody has cared to bring it up, I mean wolves literally have fake ones so it becomes extremely pointless to flavor claim anyways tbh

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Originally Posted by Jan

I find myself agreeing with all of ladds words while not feeling like he added a lot new to the game. (basically only the el barto meta)

Makes me think I am good at ww or being pocketed.
Fine with either tbh.

Or we just both suck.

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this post is worth thinking about i think

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Originally Posted by Jan

Honestly? Fair.
I have a perception of you in my head that makes me think you're less afraid and more free-flowing/careless as a villa compared to a wolf.
I can't say for certain if that is true, but my heart says yes, and my head can't be trusted this week.

Objectively you haven't done anything thus far to lock you in. But my vibes read on you is enough for a townlean.

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check Jan's involvement to Wisdom dying

i recall this not being a good look in retrospect, like check his day 2 wisdom push when that happened

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Originally Posted by Jan

Thanks a lot. I don't really feel like I have a strong stance at this moment.

Inclined to kill a low-hanging fruit because a quarter of the game is not really playing so far.
And I don't have a confident wolfread.

This is not fun, but keeping dead slots around is also not a real option. (Plus I likely won't make EoD)

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i mean i have been on this page most of the game but

insert wolftell here

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Originally Posted by Jan

Mashes are just there to phone it in while you chat with friends.
I think my last normal game was the thing earlier this year and Wiggles Breaking Bad anon game the year before.

(But if you ppl want to play some blood on the Clocktower I am always down to clown).


Anyway I am not certain how I would play this game as wolf. My play normally is dictated a lot more by my mood but I tend to get exhausted in mashes as a wolf.

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convo with sleep, check it out, think it's NAI personally but its here

Vote: Suibian

on the off chance

Stop posting.

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Cape (4) - Visor (#1061) ladd (#1063), Suibian (#1104), Rask (#1107)
Suibian (2) - Ender (#1024), Cape (#1132)

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Cape90 has been yeeted. They were:

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Vanilla cereal, in the form of:
Special K
Sometimes, you look at your reflection (not in the mirror—in a pool of streetside water, or in a pane of glass with curtains behind to conceal the fluorescent interior, or in the hazy adumbrations of the monitor during a loading screen or when the credits roll) and wonder how alike you really are to: that someone who walked past you in the rain just now, the disembodied slippers you can see pacing back and forth beneath the curtain, that actor, whatstheirname, the one who was always overacting. Your ruminations are interrupted when the accountant enters the room and looks at you through their officious glasses. They are here to inform you that you are quite different; the algorithm has identified a number of profitable demographics who would find you attractive but who would never find, say, corn flakes attractive. You are to be combined sometimes with this or that fruit, sometimes with this or that nut, and so on, according to the order of things. You feel relieved, knowing you are special K. You were never one for reflection, anyway.

::)::

You’ve always been afraid of death. Please don’t kill me, you whisper prayerfully to the night, but you know it ignores you. Sometimes a strange longing takes you, and for a moment you believe you’re about to meet your end. “Aquí está,” you say out loud. “Los asesinos en cereales me llevan.”

One day, as the rising sun peeks through your huddled cardboard covers, you have an epiphany, or at least a thought. “Soy le defensore de les despoetices,” you proclaim convincingly. “Y nadie puede silenciarme. ¡Adelante, mi arma es mi voz!” You emerge from your dusty fortress into the dawnlit lands and set out ayonder with tongue in hand. You may be a little bland, but you certainly have an appetite.

You win when all threats to cereal have been eaten.

Night 4 ends in

Please submit night actions at least 1 hour before deadline, thanks!

Visor died! They were:

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Vanilla cereal, in the form of:
Cheerios
Calcium carbonate, cobalamin, colecalciferol, corn starch, folic acid, hydrochloride, iron, mixed tocopherols, niacinamide, pyridoxine palmitate, salt, sodium ascorbate, sugar, thiamin mononitrate, tripotassium phosphate, whole grain oats, zinc, in no particular order. You are milled, cleaned, dried, mixed, cooked, dried again, cooked again, and eventually at some point you find your way into a plastic bag and a cardboard box labeled “Cheerios.”

::)::

You’ve always been afraid of death. Please don’t kill me, you whisper prayerfully to the night, but you know it ignores you. Sometimes a strange longing takes you, and for a moment you believe you’re about to meet your end. “Aquí está,” you say out loud. “Los asesinos en cereales me llevan.”

One day, as the rising sun peeks through your huddled cardboard covers, you have an epiphany, or at least a thought. “Soy le defensore de les despoetices,” you proclaim convincingly. “Y nadie puede silenciarme. ¡Adelante, mi arma es mi voz!” You emerge from your dusty fortress into the dawnlit lands and set out ayonder with tongue in hand. You may be a little bland, but you certainly have an appetite.

You win when all threats to cereal have been eaten.

Livelist
@Raskolnikov
@ladd
@EnderWiggin
@Jan
@Suibian

Ahem

You guys are not allowed to kill the person I spent the night tinfoiling as scum. It makes me look bad.

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Originally Posted by Suibian

Ahem

You guys are not allowed to kill the person I spent the night tinfoiling as scum. It makes me look bad.

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Visor was never the tinfoil wolf at this point, tbh.

Waking up to read cape running in a tunnel never to return alive was kind of annoying.
Just frustrating when you can't mock somebody for being an idiot while they are alive.

Heh, but my tinfoiling knows no bounds or reason.

I feel bad that cape went out alone like that. I missed eod because I didn’t realize the time change meant deadline was an hour earlier.

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Originally Posted by Suibian

Heh, but my tinfoiling knows no bounds or reason.

I feel bad that cape went out alone like that. I missed eod because I didn’t realize the time change meant deadline was an hour earlier.

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I just had an annoying day and there was not a lot of importance to yesterday's actions.

I need ladd to make sure my tinfoil is just tinfoil at one point today.

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Originally Posted by Jan

I just had an annoying day and there was not a lot of importance to yesterday's actions.

I need ladd to make sure my tinfoil is just tinfoil at one point today.

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Wait .. I don't think my tinfoil makes any reasonable sense.

I was afraid for a while Ender could simply be a wolf blacksmith and that would be the wolf power in the game..

But I don't think they would vest visor and shoot him the same night.

Vesting a villa for cred is fine. It is basically the reason he has been allowed to live this long.
(they claimed it d2 because they had enough heat to be in some danger)

But I don't think you use the kp that night on the person you vest just because you want to have a chance of hitting one of your pr reads.


Yeah whatever that is not really a play I see happening.

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Originally Posted by Jan

Wait .. I don't think my tinfoil makes any reasonable sense.

I was afraid for a while Ender could simply be a wolf blacksmith and that would be the wolf power in the game..

But I don't think they would vest visor and shoot him the same night.

Vesting a villa for cred is fine. It is basically the reason he has been allowed to live this long.
(they claimed it d2 because they had enough heat to be in some danger)

But I don't think you use the kp that night on the person you vest just because you want to have a chance of hitting one of your pr reads.


Yeah whatever that is not really a play I see happening.

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Just this lingering feeling I had ever since taffy died n3 instead of ender and him simply not dying.
But this should be fine.

I’ve considered that tinfoil too and while I do think it’s possible for scum to give a vest and waste it for this argument specifically, I’m having a hard time accepting the possibility that the only town power we have was a one-shot vig and that the healing power was just given to scum. It feels like it removes some of the agency of town to protect itself. If you subscribe to the theory that the doc exists to protect power then it makes sense that he’s just town.

(There is little voice inside my head that is reminding me of the couple mods I’ve played under in the past who’ve specifically done things like this to give scum away to mechanically clear themselves, and the only way to win these games was to forget role info, but those always had more power roles than the bare minimum. And that little voice is also reminding me my reasoning has been hot garbage this game, so maybe I shouldn’t listen, but it feels right.)

Sap, will be more sparse today cause i am back to work


Ya i really really doubt ender is a wolf. Him and visor were both equally cleared atp so killing visor first is ok

Not worth considering

I am gonna be real, ill prob gonna consider everyone today (except ender) so the more villagery you guis can be, the better :p

Cause so far the last wolf has basically been playing an sk game and in these type of games finding the last 1 can be tricky


(I already have an idea but will wait at least 24 hours)

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Huh.

This probably means Sui isn't wolf. Sui as wolf has no loss by killing me and doesn't implicate them and it removes their biggest pusher.

Visor is a better kill for any other wolf who is hoping I'm going to get stuck in my tunnel.

I don't think if Ladd was a wolf the game would play out this way.
I think if Ladd was in wolfchat with nebjiamn/Sleep then sleep would be more active because even on d2 an active Gira can get out of the poe if need be.
It is why I said yesterday that Ladd/Visor are full clearned to me because that applies to both of them to some extend.

Not sure if this reason will help anybody else to get a further read on Ladd.

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

This probably means Sui isn't wolf. Sui as wolf has no loss by killing me and doesn't implicate them and it removes their biggest pusher.

Visor is a better kill for any other wolf who is hoping I'm going to get stuck in my tunnel.

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Level 1 yes.

I don't think I would leave you alive either tbh, because I don't really know you and I know visor and when given the choice I keep the person around that I can make fun off.
But I am weird and old and care less about winning than well-being.

I won't be considering Ender (like never).

v

Ladd

Suibian/Jan

w

I think Ladd has been more villagery and solving than Jan and Suibian. I will start rereading these slots first. (also Sleep's post mentionning them)

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Originally Posted by EnderWiggin

This probably means Sui isn't wolf. Sui as wolf has no loss by killing me and doesn't implicate them and it removes their biggest pusher.

Visor is a better kill for any other wolf who is hoping I'm going to get stuck in my tunnel.

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tbh I think Visor could have had reasons to go after Sui (or me :curtain:) after Cape's flip (remember his D3) so I agree with Jan here, don't remove her from the POE for that kind of reason. (well do it if u wanna, but u have been warned :p )

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Originally Posted by Sleep

what are you seeing with syn that i'm not

tammy hates wolfing and everytime i've seen jan draw wolf in a mash he's phoned it in. obviously vastly different game environments but for someone who has been semi-retired for a long time he seemed eager to get into the thick of it in a way that is way more likely town

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This is the only mention of Jan in Sleep's ISO fwiw.


There are a lot of back n forth with Suibian which don't feel ww to me but I'd like to be second guessed about this.


(conclusion: with the way this game has played out, I do think this makes it more likely for Jan to be the last scum over Suibian)

Ladd/Sleep:

3 posts mentionning Ladd in Sleep's ISO.

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Originally Posted by Sleep

ladd basically feels like himself i don't think anything he's posted is super alignment indicative so far

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Originally Posted by Sleep

my memory of tammy as mafia was mostly her rolling over and dying but this was over a decade ago now (i will never stop trolling her about this)

don't think she'd be the type to bus but hard to defend a person who barely posted anything. i have played with her more recently than anyone here and think she's just town though



if someone bussed i'm not gonna be able to find them today and every time i try to do something like that it ends up being a throw


vote: ender

sheeping ladd tbh

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I do think this one is a good one for Ladd. Because it feels like Sleep actually forgot he had not mentionned Ladd previously so is TMIing Ladd's alignment. (like I feel he would be more cautious for a read about a partner).

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Originally Posted by Sleep

-kind of concerned by cape initially townreading me then angling toward potentially voting me when i've been absent and laddsuggests me as a ossibility

- i think ladd's POE in #455 is basically fine tbh and where i was at, I have a slight concern over cape but that's only a 5th name anyway and i think this game is probably just an easy one for town hopefully

-wisdom's progression still not doing much for me altho i'm not sure what wisdom COULD post at this point that would make me townread her. i get why people backed off but it kind of reads like generic emotional appeal stuff which feels a little scummy

- don't have real thoughts on rask's most recwent pots right now, need to re-look at them later because everything is blurring together in my head at this point


unfortunately my schedule is also not great for this game and i have only a couple more hours i can be here, then i'm gone and won't be present for EOD. will try to get in what i can in that time if anyone has stuff they want to ask me do it now

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this line from sleep about ladd's POE makes me double-down on Ender because Sleep was prolly aware at this point in the game that one wolf had to go deep because he wasn't end-gaming himself. So I don't see him +1ing a list with all the alive wolves POEed

tl;dr: Sleep's spews makes me think it's just Jan.

Now I am actually wondering at which point in this game Sleep gave up. ie at which point he just played with spew in mind to actually mess up late solving. Prolly SOD2?

hmm

l8r for another go at Jan's or Sui's ISO.

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Visor damn you btw. I have been coming back to the context of that el Barto vote from Suibian lately and I just don't think she would bus like that. It's not even done in a way she can claim cred out of it and clear herself. It just felt unnecesarry to me. though I am still considering it because u did lol.


actually I will just reread D1 because it feels to me that bus of el mighty Takhisis (el barto) and the context around it is the key. :study:

will be considering elbarto and sleep treatment in my next ISOs too, just so many things to do rn lmao. and that baobab in my hand.

i'll post in ~24 hours

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Originally Posted by Jan

I don't think if Ladd was a wolf the game would play out this way.
I think if Ladd was in wolfchat with nebjiamn/Sleep then sleep would be more active because even on d2 an active Gira can get out of the poe if need be.
It is why I said yesterday that Ladd/Visor are full clearned to me because that applies to both of them to some extend.

Not sure if this reason will help anybody else to get a further read on Ladd.

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Hrm. Ladd is actually the person whose read I want to revisit the most.

I don’t really agree with the reasoning here though because if gira was just busy and couldn’t play then he wouldn’t be able to be more active regardless of his partners. I think it’s dangerous to say that he would be more busy if he just couldn’t be more busy. Is there something other than that that you think is clearing?

My thought is that his lack of vote on day two suggests that he was fine with the game state as is which would mean that his partner was not in the poe. I really want to clear Rask on this alone, but I don’t know if this is also dangerous if he’d just given up, but I also think it’d be somewhat cruel to do to your partner, unless your partner had also just given up, but Rask clearly hadn’t, so I want to believe in this. I just don’t know how much weight I should actually give it.

I guess there is the possibility that gira didn’t vote day two specifically for the wifom argument that if Rask had been elimmed that day he clearly couldn’t be partners since he did nothing to save him or get credit for the bus, but does that actually get him to endgame?

(I’m remembering a time that I had a partner do something similar to me, but he never posted or played at my homesite (rip) again. So it’s not impossible, but I think he was just intimidated and scared which I do not think fits gira.).

Anyway, I just don’t think it’s Jan.

For completion’s sake the only thing that I had a moment of pause with regard to Jan was the post talking about the hypothetical Lylo situation of me, Jan, Ladd. But that post can equally come from town trying to settle a read on Ladd, and there are so many other things that read town to me like trolling visor about the night one kill, the reaction today to cape’s tunnel last night, etc and overall play that I would be super surprised and a little heartbroken if Jan is scum here.

For people to lock me in some specific behavior that I don't think happens if I am a wolf.

If I am a wolf that plans to bus e l barto then I will try to get my partner on board unless you think it was a total accident.
Just no reason not to maximize on towncred for your team.


Even more important this does not happen if my play as a wolf is to bus my partners for cred:
EoD 3:

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Originally Posted by Jan

On the one hand cape is doing weird busywork right now.

Like judging visors villa read on ender after ender softed to visor that he gave him the vest.

On the other hand I want to resolve sleep.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

like why? I agree with this read fwiw, I think Cape is getting more heat than he has never had this game and is increasing the workload as a response, but not in a towny way (because he goes back to mostly unrelevant things now). So why not just yeet a wolf toDay, and resolve sleep l8r (whom I am having an hard time thinking this is his scum game, + Suibian's posts etc..)

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followed by me voting cape and leaving for the night.

Rask convinces me to vote cape instead of sleep at the time.
If I am a wolf and the poe for the next two days is always my partner and a random villa stuck in the poe then I am just sticking on my partner if given the choice.
There is simply no upside as a wolf to switch to cape.

(the counterargument is me making this statement as wolf to get cred for not bussing earlier, I guess. Not sure what the upside in that play is)

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Originally Posted by Suibian

Hrm. Ladd is actually the person whose read I want to revisit the most.

I don’t really agree with the reasoning here though because if gira was just busy and couldn’t play then he wouldn’t be able to be more active regardless of his partners. I think it’s dangerous to say that he would be more busy if he just couldn’t be more busy. Is there something other than that that you think is clearing?

My thought is that his lack of vote on day two suggests that he was fine with the game state as is which would mean that his partner was not in the poe. I really want to clear Rask on this alone, but I don’t know if this is also dangerous if he’d just given up, but I also think it’d be somewhat cruel to do to your partner, unless your partner had also just given up, but Rask clearly hadn’t, so I want to believe in this. I just don’t know how much weight I should actually give it.

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I am fairly certain that I will not be able to clear rask this game.
Jut because of syn having rask as lowest read all game and just not getting the traction for the kill.

Plus me really disliking rasks eod leading up to the sleep lunch (at the following sod).
I just can see a lot of reasons for this to be wolf motivated.

Rask was in the poe at the time, trying to get people to vote cape which tied up wagons.
He tried to snipe the sleep vote despite the whole day being rask vs cape.
And then playing up the sleep flip as a big party on the next day when there was no kill that mattered less this game.

And I am sorry if you are a villa rask, but that to me feels like a wolf trying to maximize on the switch on sleep.
If it is a runaway wagon you don't get any cred, but making the wagon close and knowing how Ender (and others) love meming/podracing might give you more cred. Which is what your next SoD felt like to me.

I just don't think as a villa in a tunnel you really swap when you did. you either get convinced earlier or not at all.

I'll be honest.

I have trouble not tunneling rask at the moment and if I am wrong then I am just clueless and I don't feel capable of looking anywhere else right now.

Sun’s absolute certainty that Rask was scum is one of the things that keeps me from going all in on my day two “why wouldn’t gira vote if Rask was scum” theory.

Ill address your points in like ten hours friendos.

(No energy rn and this deserves more than oneliners)

Ps: not sure u should put much stock into Syn wolfreading me because like, it happens a lot, when I am town. (Can provide exemples too)

Anyway Ill try to post before Ladd and Ender check in so they have the input too

Leaning towards Ladd.

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Originally Posted by Suibian

Leaning towards Ladd.

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I wasnt gonna post until closer to eod to give you guis space to post but like...how?

How do you think i am a wolf here, it seems absolutely absurd to me lol

So plz show me its a real thought and not something you just made up.

Did you read my posts? Cause i have an hard time thinking you read my posts and think i am a wolf

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Originally Posted by ladd

I wasnt gonna post until closer to eod to give you guis space to post but like...how?

How do you think i am a wolf here, it seems absolutely absurd to me lol

So plz show me its a real thought and not something you just made up.

Did you read my posts? Cause i have an hard time thinking you read my posts and think i am a wolf

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I could tell you the why because it is really obvious. :P

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Originally Posted by Suibian

Hrm. Ladd is actually the person whose read I want to revisit the most.

I don’t really agree with the reasoning here though because if gira was just busy and couldn’t play then he wouldn’t be able to be more active regardless of his partners. I think it’s dangerous to say that he would be more busy if he just couldn’t be more busy. Is there something other than that that you think is clearing?

My thought is that his lack of vote on day two suggests that he was fine with the game state as is which would mean that his partner was not in the poe. I really want to clear Rask on this alone, but I don’t know if this is also dangerous if he’d just given up, but I also think it’d be somewhat cruel to do to your partner, unless your partner had also just given up, but Rask clearly hadn’t, so I want to believe in this. I just don’t know how much weight I should actually give it.

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When did you first have this thought?

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Because your vote was the first to ping me and, NGL, the vote is on me so I look into it more than others obviously. (I am town pal, I am not going to be the D1)

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Why did you say you’re not gonna be the day one here? Are you not normally a day one elim?

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Originally Posted by Jan

When did you first have this thought?

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First? Before gira flipped. I think I talked about it as one of the only says I could see him being scum was with someone town read. Then after he flipped, and I thought about day 2 it felt possible. It’s one of the reasons I thought it could be visor.

If you’re gearing up to say it’s me I’m fine going today to clear the Poe.

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Originally Posted by ladd

I wasnt gonna post until closer to eod to give you guis space to post but like...how?

How do you think i am a wolf here, it seems absolutely absurd to me lol

So plz show me its a real thought and not something you just made up.

Did you read my posts? Cause i have an hard time thinking you read my posts and think i am a wolf

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Have you read my posts today?

Why am I not allowed to consider you? I’m quite obviously town yet I’m in the Poe; why can’t I think it’s you?

(I realize you if you don’t know me, you wouldn’t know why I’m obviously town but the same stands for you.)

Sorry if that doesn’t make sense. I’m in bed and half asleep. I just was thinking about Rask and that post.

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Originally Posted by Suibian

First? Before gira flipped. I think I talked about it as one of the only says I could see him being scum was with someone town read. Then after he flipped, and I thought about day 2 it felt possible. It’s one of the reasons I thought it could be visor.

If you’re gearing up to say it’s me I’m fine going today to clear the Poe.

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Why now?
If you want to roll over and die you do it yesterday instead of voting cape.
But if you are villa rolling over at this point is not really an option.

Make my life miserable and make me regret ever doubting you, but at this point the only world where you should roll over is if you are 100% certain about the solve.

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Originally Posted by Suibian

Sorry if that doesn’t make sense. I’m in bed and half asleep. I just was thinking about Rask and that post.

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Sleep. we can talk when you wake up and I decide to take a nap. :X

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Vote: Suibian

Nice frame frienda. GG WP :p

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Gah.

The day prior you stated that you thought I was town because it wasn’t a bus, started doubting me because of visor’s case, were convinced here that the game ends with me, but today you’re back to thinking it wasn’t a bus though lightly considering visor’s earlier case.

This doesn’t feel quite right.

Was the frame you’re referring to here the night kill.

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Originally Posted by Jan

Why now?
If you want to roll over and die you do it yesterday instead of voting cape.
But if you are villa rolling over at this point is not really an option.

Make my life miserable and make me regret ever doubting you, but at this point the only world where you should roll over is if you are 100% certain about the solve.

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I never said I was rolling over. I’m just fine going if it helps the Poe. And I was fine going yesterday too and said as much. I’m also low-key terrified of being stuck in lylo.

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I just don't think as a villa in a tunnel you really swap when you did. you either get convinced earlier or not at all.

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I suggest you read the posts I made for Ladd D4 because

- it's pretty clear I haven't been tunneling anyone D3 (like I voted you, I voted Cape, I voted Sleep)
- I have been very transparent about my motivations and what triggered the switch.

Furthermore it's not like anyone tryed to convince anyone that sleep was scum D3. Suibian defended him because I asked her about his wolf game. It's not like someone made a big case. Ender made some posts about potentiel ww equity between Suibian and Sleep but that's about it.

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Also it makes few sense to actually suggest I tryed to take credit of that flip. I guess if that was the plan I would at least have pushed for sleep D3 with some convincing posts casing him. I wouldn't have been all over the place doubting his alignment and exchanging with Subian, Visor, etc...

It just doesn't make sense friendo.

D4 was just me explaining what happened in my head since I was pretty sure some slots would scumread that move.

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Originally Posted by Suibian

Why did you say you’re not gonna be the day one here? Are you not normally a day one elim?

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I am not, that's the thing lol. Not as a wolf. So especially not as a villager lmao.

Why are your asking this though? Are you bothered by anything?

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Have you read my posts today?

Why am I not allowed to consider you? I’m quite obviously town yet I’m in the Poe; why can’t I think it’s you?

(I realize you if you don’t know me, you wouldn’t know why I’m obviously town but the same stands for you.)

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I have but i dont see a reason (unless i missed it)

You are free to consiser me but when you come to the conclusion i am a wolf thats where i find it problematic cause

1) i have clearly shown all game i care about solving people and not just get mislunches

2) i have voted on both w wagons in close v/w wagons

3) sleep spewed me v



Fwiw i think you are the least likely wolf and have a post that should probably clear you

For me its between rask and jan

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Originally Posted by Suibian

Gah.

The day prior you stated that you thought I was town because it wasn’t a bus, started doubting me because of visor’s case, were convinced here that the game ends with me, but today you’re back to thinking it wasn’t a bus though lightly considering visor’s earlier case.

This doesn’t feel quite right.

Was the frame you’re referring to here the night kill.

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lmao I 100% think it's a bus Suibian. The only slot I am not considering is Ender.

I think the last wolf is between you/Jan/Ladd, who are all El Barto voters.


SO like ???

I am just not sure who it is so will be reading these 3 ISOs to make my mind.

Also imo I have made more posts than necesarry so you actually all see my process so it's really weird for me to read Jan's and your posts about this tbh. But dw, I will do all I can so people find me as a villager today.

PS: (about the NK, yes. I mean why kill Syn at this point lol. He has no bullets left so is a vanillager for all purposes. why would I kill him? He has been yeeling at the thread I am a wolf for 3 days and I have ended D3 with no votes. I mean no problem for wolf!me to keeep going and play a little. Nah, that kill makes me think someone wanted to use it for a push on me, hence why I posted that immediatly to mitigate the potential of a wolf push using that)

vote: Raskolnikov

Mostly to have some vote down and make Gemma happy or sad.
I don't know what exactly.
But Seeing empty votals is wrong.

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Originally Posted by ladd

I have but i dont see a reason (unless i missed it)

You are free to consiser me but when you come to the conclusion i am a wolf thats where i find it problematic cause

1) i have clearly shown all game i care about solving people and not just get mislunches

2) i have voted on both w wagons in close v/w wagons

3) sleep spewed me v



Fwiw i think you are the least likely wolf and have a post that should probably clear you

For me its between rask and jan

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1) i have clearly shown all game i care about solving people and not just get mislunches too

2) i have voted on one w wagons in close v/w wagons

3) I posted sleep spewed you v

I am town friendo

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Originally Posted by Jan

vote: Raskolnikov

Mostly to have some vote down and make Gemma happy or sad.
I don't know what exactly.
But Seeing empty votals is wrong.

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I take the dome pal. Because you are prolly the last one. I mean you of all people toDay have shown the least willingness to reeval. Just want me dead.

Vote: Jan

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I take the dome pal. Because you are prolly the last one. I mean you of all people toDay have shown the least willingness to reeval. Just want me dead.

Vote: Jan

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You are not wrong?

If you are a villager then I am in a tunnel that I don't think I can overcome.

I will be reading for a while

Ping me if u need anything.

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Originally Posted by Jan

Yeah. I have trouble celebrating kills like that.

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Originally Posted by Visor

ye it feels a little lame for whoever the last wolf is

i guess in a sense it makes it harder to catch them, but also takes out a lot of fun

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Originally Posted by Jan

I don't want to steal your thunder but you are basically celebrating stealing candy from a baby.

I legit went afk 30 minutes or so before the eod because I could not care less about who we kill and what the flip is in the end.

I love a challenge.
But masturbatory behavior after killing 2 wolves who basically didn't play?
I pitty the fool.

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Jan, why was it such a problem for you that some villagers were happy with the flip? I mean ure you love challenges, but these last 2 lines?

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Originally Posted by ladd

I have but i dont see a reason (unless i missed it)

You are free to consiser me but when you come to the conclusion i am a wolf thats where i find it problematic cause

1) i have clearly shown all game i care about solving people and not just get mislunches

2) i have voted on both w wagons in close v/w wagons

3) sleep spewed me v



Fwiw i think you are the least likely wolf and have a post that should probably clear you

For me its between rask and jan

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The first 2 points are pointless if we assume this is basically a sk hunt.

Not sure how much anybody should care about spew in a small game with experienced players.
It has to be very clear spew and not your average wolf mucus.

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Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

I am not, that's the thing lol. Not as a wolf. So especially not as a villager lmao.

Why are your asking this though? Are you bothered by anything?

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Not necessarily. I was just thinking. Day one I thought it might be a soft and was the start of my town read on you that day. I thought even if it wasn’t a soft it sounded town to me because it felt confident. Earlier when talking about syn’s suspicion, you mentioned that happens a lot as town. Which brought me back to that post and the start of my read.

I’m not sure if that makes sense. I’m never up this late on a Tuesday, so if it doesn’t I’ll try to make it clearer what I was thinking and respond to the other post tomorrow.

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It’s entirely possible you were spewed villa and I’ll see it when I reread through stuff. I won’t have time to reread through stuff seriously until I get home from work tomorrow. I’ll respond properly tomorrow.

@ladd: would be cool if you could have a look at Suibian/Sleep interactions for me. Think it's pocketing from Sleep but would like to be second-guessed.

tu

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I will be reading for a while

Ping me if u need anything.







Jan, why was it such a problem for you that some villagers were happy with the flip? I mean ure you love challenges, but these last 2 lines?

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It was too much for too little.
Call me jaded, but your early day posting was over the top for basically nothing.
I get the idea of being hype about a kill, but your posts were 24 hours later.
The kill was not special enough to carry that hype for 24+ hours.

Maybe that was your greatest achievement all week and you needed to hang on to it to make it through the day.
There is no shame in that.
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Originally Posted by Jan

It was too much for too little.
Call me jaded, but your early day posting was over the top for basically nothing.
I get the idea of being hype about a kill, but your posts were 24 hours later.
The kill was not special enough to carry that hype for 24+ hours.

Maybe that was your greatest achievement all week and you needed to hang on to it to make it through the day.
There is no shame in that.
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lol

of the month friendo, of the month.

Truth be told I think if it is not Rask it has to be Ladd, but I don't think it is Ladd but that is still more likely than Sui.


Sui has exactly 1 post that makes me paranoid and that post is means nothing for her alignment and is self-hatred pushing some paranoia buttons in my head.

Not looking it up but d1 she told me she signed up to play with specifically me and ever since then in the back of my head is a small man screaming that this has to be a wolf pocketing me because it simply can't be true.
But the rational me knows it is just a statement she would have made as either alignment because it is not stuff you really make up.


Anyways - the reason why I think Ladd is a villager is weird and complicated and I don't think I can really put the words on paper in a way they make sense for anyone but me.
I tried earlier and I realized while typing that it is such a convoluted mess of me projecting meta and friendship into a wolfchat that increases peoples hype level to play.
I just think the whole sleep-slot would have been more hype with ladd in wolf-chat. But also technically he was guaranteed to get to final 3 from d2 onwards which means there is no reason to try to survive for a partner.

Which is kind of why I really don't care about spew this game. If your plan is to set up a partner for endgame and not to survive yourself then you are kind of in constant anti-spew from the moment you start going down that road.


Or it is just Rask and non of this matters.

If it helps Jan, I said it when I signed up. I was going to copy the post I made in the sign up thread which should be fine because it’s a publicly available post, but I’m not sure if that violates a rule here. So, I’d have made that post regardless of my alignment. I think. I might have been afraid it sounded too pockety in an environment where nobody knows me, so dunno.

I got no sleep last night. Today is gonna suuuuuuuck.

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If it helps Jan, I said it when I signed up. I was going to copy the post I made in the sign up thread which should be fine because it’s a publicly available post, but I’m not sure if that violates a rule here. So, I’d have made that post regardless of my alignment. I think. I might have been afraid it sounded too pockety in an environment where nobody knows me, so dunno.

I got no sleep last night. Today is gonna suuuuuuuck.

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I told you to sleep!
Why didn't you listen?

Now you have to suffer the consequences and we hate those. :(

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Originally Posted by Suibian

How does it feel to replace into a scum slot? Sweatin cold buckets?

Couldn’t resist going back to bed.

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Originally Posted by Sleep

i'm loving it, already plotting how to troll you by openwolfing in your face again

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cries in shouting to the rooftops that you're scum while getting told by the rest of town that I don't know what I'm talking about.

GOOD TIMES

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Here is the chat I dislike the most about Suibian's D1. Feels partnery but at the same time I have the impression she was actually solving people and trying to understand other people point of view then. So I am liking her as villa still.

Meanwhile, the conf-biaising that Jan is the last scum is going well, tyvm.

I am amusing myself with the fact Jan pinged sleep in the post he voted El Barto. :curtain:

I am sorry y'all. Had a long day and then made bad decisions with my free time. I haven't even slept yet and it's 4am.