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It is an application developed by Kommodus. We have all experienced its power in the past. Kommodus have apparently upgraded it again and you came up on top in the first search.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibalbarc
I would want to test it to see if the result is correct...
Sadly that is only done by lynching you and wait for the result 3 days later where your role will be revealed publicly.
you could lynch someone else.~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Bah. You're a don, you have a made under you, who could easily investigate and give you the results.Quote:
Do note, everybody, how CrazedRabbit first claims me to be a Don, then gives terrible evidence against me being a criminal because Made Gangsters can investigate.
Bing-o. Andres was the one person unavailable last night. The fake Asian was without a partner, and Andres came up as guilty according to Sasaki, meaning he killed somebody night one. And the ballet slipper mafia was the only group to kill somebody night one.Quote:
This is not correct. If I have been unclear my apologies, but the Director is escorted by police all night and cannot participate in an "active" night action. Investigations (made, detective, FBI) can occur, and possibly some other "special" abilities, but nothing else.
Now who doesn't know the rules, Louis? ~;p
Are you saying you know the person who gave you those is a detective?Quote:
I promise you these are 100% accurate.
And since it seems like we're going to lynch Andres tomorrow, I'll
unvote: Andres
vote: Glenn
select: Louis
Mainly because he's not Andres.
Tally:
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CR
No. Look:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sounded like you named the 'any other (criminals)' as 'not conclusive'. Didn't sound at all like you were mentioning GH as not conclusive.Quote:
We could throw any other into the tie ... but the best we have are criminals... not conclusive at all.
and I don't see GH on the 'investigated list'?
btw, if we should get double lynches anyway.. why not take Pannonian? He can discuss along (just like me) anyway, and we will not have certainty on him begin wiseguy or worse otherwise.Quote:
CrazedRabbit: Innocent
Andres: Criminal
Pannonian: Criminal
Omanes Alexandrapolites: Innocent
Glenn: Innocent
Only downside is less voting power for town, assuming that Pannonian is actually indeed townie-minded.
edit: gah, CR, gah
I didn't do my vote for Director earlier. So, since I trust absolutely no one:
Select: Vacant
955
Really? Maybe there is another role out there designed to protect us. Maybe there is something within the role. Who knows. But there are more logical possibilities than two.Quote:
We have to assume that because that's the only logical explanation.
Yes, he has made the assertion that we have crossed the line in revealing information repeatedly. He has used this to prove that we are mafia because "we couldn't reveal that without breaking the red PM rule" but Seamus has cleared almost everything we've revealed, the only thing was a slip by Glenn, we both realize this crossed the line and was a simple slip. That is the only thing that has crossed the line. By beating the "we broke the rules" dead horse he's trying to tar and feather us.Quote:
Twist the facts?
A slip on Glenn's part. Covered above.Quote:
I believe you both said your entire role PM's were red or most of them anyways. You didn't post the part of your PM's that may not have been red. This to me is starting to seem more and more like a ploy. Saying your entire PM is red then using a part of the PM that apparently isn't red to help Glenn and your case. It's a strange phenomenon I guess.
He or she will be WoG'd and then hopefully we'll get a new one (hopefully). Until then me and Glenn will try to stay alive so we can bring the hurt to the mafia later.Quote:
I'm betting they made up the Red PM. The third person has not been willing to come forward (Though I have my suspicions) and until that happens I can't trust that they are telling the truth.
957
See above. As far as SEAMUS can tell we haven't. And trust me, you don't know much about our roles.Quote:
Even if he does come forward...it might be fake.
If they are telling the truth, as far as I can tell, they've broken the rules. We know alot about their roles even though they weren't alowed to tell us. Odd? I think so.
Yup, and Seamus cleared us telling that.Quote:
-We know there is 3
ZOMG! They told us what side they're on! They've obviously told us the entirety of their role PMs! :thumbsdown:Quote:
-They are "pro-town"
We didn't tell you what they were, what they were for, or any details.Quote:
-They use code-words
Allusion, innuendo, and generally without details. I fail to see what this really tells you about the role.Quote:
-Glenn "is a detective with a sword"
:laugh4: You obviously don't really don't know that much about our role.Quote:
-They can save lives
751. Cleared by game host.Quote:
-Roles in red
The one mistake, see above. Apologies all around again.Quote:
-They appear unclear
959
I'm being a little sarcastic on the pro-town thing. The fact is I don't particularly trust you. You seem so intent on lynching Glenn and I you seem to be looking through blinders. Which seems scummy to me. The 'attitude', I'm telling you you're wrong, and I'm telling you you look scummy when you twist facts like you are. If you are pro-town then say it straight. Simple as that.Quote:
Lose the attitude, if I were modding the game I'd have WoG'd you both. Maybe seamus is more lenient. How come you express certainty that I'm an innocent townie?
1038
Is is a strong word CR, you don't know you have suspicions. Which make some sense, Glenn is erratic, and our story is fishy. But I tell you it is true.Quote:
PEOPLE - last round we were going to kill Glenn off because he is a Don! Why has attention turned from him? Remember, made gangsters can investigate!
This is just like when Prole came under suspicion in Capo I after she was saved by her Luca on night one. The town failed there by not lynching her then. Let's not make the same mistake in Capo II.
And there is a big difference between Glenn and Prole, Prole was a Donna, Glenn is not.
1056
Those detective results confuse me. Hmm. Odds maybe? I seem to remember investigations having odds for success in Capo I. Anyway, I hope that at least pushes us back in the lynch line. Anyone else investigate us?
Of the people who are up for director, I trust Louis the most. so:
Select: Louis VI the Fat
Of the people on the chopping block I trust few of them. But, I know that Pann is a criminal based on the investigation I conducted last night, so he's at least a wiseguy.
Vote: Pannonian
Oops, tally:
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Even if you trust no one, there's good reason to choose someone. I'd pick sasaki right now... but ok... your choice. (scummy though :P lol)Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
oops, wrong tab.
Never mind.
Unselect: Andres
Select: Abstain
Just while I remember - I don't know who to select.
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Vote:GH I don't like the way he's playing.
I've put Glenn on ignore because I'm tired of reading his dribble of crap that isn't really relevent at all.
This is confusing for the two votes and count in general but for the
Director: Kagemush
Lynch: Abstain
There have been many accusations and when we look at the first lynch vote to the second there is a big difference.
There have been many suggestions but no follow up.
Is there a Glenn JimBob connection? Do they both come up innocent?
What about Twilight's last vote? Has there been a reasonable explanation to his last minute entry.
The other NN noreweigenerd was mentioned a lot in the first round because of comments and nothing this round. Is he innocent?
Someone asked about Beefy187. Why was he the target?
There are a lot of players and a lot of reading. All we have to go is circumstantial evidence (our remarks or comments) but one comment cannot confirm guilt. FoS yes.
I can see a lot of suspicion but have not read anything that will put anyone beyond suspicion to guilty. I would think 3 or 4 points of circumstantial evidence would be sufficient for a lynching. It is early still but we have already shown no objectivity on lynching or analyzing the past night’s activities.
One thing I have found handy subscribing to the thread makes it much easier to read and catch up then reading in email then post in the thread. Just a suggestion for anyone missing a day and wonder how they can try to catch up on the game.
Tally:
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Corrected Tally:
Lynch Votes
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)
GeneralHankerchief = 3 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit)
Hannibalbarc = 3 Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)
Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)
Abstain: 1 (Northnovas)
Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 4 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR)
Andres = 1 (Andres)
Abstain = 3 (Ajaxfetish, scottishranger, CountArach)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
Kagemusha = 4 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Vacant = 1 (TinCow)
Forgot to select earlier so I will:
Select: Abstain
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
Vote: Hannibalbarc
I'm actually just as eager to find out if I'm right as everyone else...
I believe CR has a role here other than basic townie, but beyond that I can't tell what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Select: Beefy187
I don't know if he's innocent or not, but I'd like to select someone we know the mafia would like to off.
Tally:
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vote: Glenn - How on earth was he not lynched?
select: Louis VI the Fat
Select: Omanes Alexandrapolites
He's come up as innocent in investigation results or so it has been claimed, and he hasn't been acting in any strange manner so I'm willing to believe he isn't a Don.
Vote: Abstain
I have to go through all the pages I've missed, (was sick yesterday), and reassess what I've missed.
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Originally Posted by Drisos
What possible good reason could I have to give immunity to someone I don't trust? This "scummy" word is being tossed around an awful lot lately. I don't even think you people know what it means. I'm a complete mafia noob, and even I can tell that practically no one knows what is going on. We're all flailing at nothing, desperately looking for some kind of solid evidence where there is none, and then convincing ourselves that we're right, at least until we change our minds 12 hours later.
Seriously, having not played mafia before. How is it possible for the townies to ever win when they act like this?
I still think Tiberius's story is full of holes, but the town seems to have taken care of him. I, however, too want to see if this new method of Holmes works, especially on someone who, before he was accused by Kommodus, had barely made any posts. Before the accusation, here are Hannibalbarc's posts, in order:
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Originally Posted by Hannibalbarc
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibalbarc
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Originally Posted by Hannibalbarc
I don't know how much of a case you can make from that, but Kommodus's methods of finding mafia have been successful in the past. Besides, in short time we can discover if it really works (after the autopsy).Quote:
Originally Posted by Hannibalbarc
I will Vote: Hannibalbarc and Select: Louis the Fat, because I don't see any reason to suspect him (yet :beam: ).
Tally:
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Now every bloody tally since then does not have Louis voting for GH...Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
Select: Louis VI the Fat
Well, I trust Louis so far and I have also heard from other sources that GH is guilty, if that is possible, maybe we can tie votes and have the director lynch two or three guys?(Tiberius, GH and Glenn for example or any two of them ~;) )
This keeps coming up and I'm still confused. Wasn't Beefy attacked only on the first night? Didn't pevergreen form and participate in a vigilante squad to attack Beefy (supposedly for the purposes of training a doctor/surgeon)? How do we know the mafia want Beefy dead, or is it just a misinterpretation of the first night's actions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
And why not put a Frenchman in the director's chair for a day.
unselect: abstain
select: Louis
Ajax
we might want to lynch all those who came up criminal... just to get it over with... from the top of my mind... that is Sasaki, GH, Andres and another one... but not 100% sure...
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 13 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 4 (Andres, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Hannibalbarc = 5 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)
Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)
Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic)
Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 8 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, husar)
Andres = 1 (Andres)
Abstain = 3 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
Kagemusha = 4 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Beefy187 = 1 (Kommodus)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Vacant = 1 (TinCow)
Im still dont believe you Tiberius
Vote:Tiberius of the Drake
Select Louis IV the Fat
keep the tally... and why are we lynching only one person??
Select: Louis VI the Fat I believe a good selection has arisen.
Oh, and since you can't hear me Ichigo - I don't like you.
Tee hee hee.
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Role
Agent
Victory Condition
You are a special agent sent in by the government. Your mission is to prevent future proliferation of Mafia activities. You are sanctioned to do whatever is necessary to achieve this goal.
Powers & Responsibilities
A. General:
1. You may not “break bad” as your loyalty to the government has decided the path of your life.
2. If your identity is at any time questioned, you are on your own as the government will deny your existence.
3. If you participate in two successful protection groups, you will have the option of becoming a doctor, but you will lose the abilities of your original role. This choice will only be given to you once.
5. red section cannot be revealed
B. Day Actions:
1. You vote/select as does any other player.
C. Night Actions:
1. If desired, you may combine with 3 other townies/ and or wiseguys to kill another player.
2. In addition, you may investigate one person each night. Once during the game you can perform two investigations in one night but there is a chance of your identity becoming known to one of the players being investigated.
3. You may participate in a townie protection group, but you cannot provide any protection value so any protection team where you are not an “extra” WILL fail.
D. Investigations:
1. It is most probable that, if investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “unclear” or “criminal” because of your secretive nature.You will only register as “guilty” on the night of a killing if you have participated in that killing.
2. When investigating a person, you will learn if they are “criminal” (Mades, Lucas, most Wise Guys), “Unclear” (Some Wise Guys, a few Townies) or “Innocent” (Dons, Most Townies, Detectives, Doctors, Surgeons, and the FBI Detective). Additional investigations of the same target have 1 chance in 6 of revealing the player’s starting role (1 in 36 for Dons).
Role changes:
You only may change your role if the circumstances mentioned above allow it.
I don't believe you... you have been meddling with it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tiberius of the Drake
I don't know. While I still want Glenn to be lynched, I shall:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
Unvote: Glenn
Vote: Hannibalbarc
I don't know exactly how accurate Holmes will be at this phase, though with well over 1000 posts I would hope it would be good.
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Charge, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrdrraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CountArach)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 1 (Tran)
Kagemusha = 2 (Caius, Glenn)
Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic)
Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 10 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, husar, Sarathos, Glenn)
Andres = 1 (Andres)
Abstain = 3 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
Kagemusha = 4 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Beefy187 = 1 (Kommodus)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Vacant = 1 (TinCow)
Ive glad I made it before the game ends.
Someone asked me about why I was attacked. As I explained before Pever tried to train a group of docter and I was selected randomly probebly because im his friend in RL and thought organise group to shoot me with cheap silly Uzis wouldnt wreck the friendship. :laugh4:
So I doubt the mafias wants me dead since I have trouble keeping up with the game. I thought I explained about the attempt on my life before. So I find it rather strange why you peoples brought it up again.:sweatdrop:
Vote: abstain
For this phase since I still got like 500 posts to read again..
Select: Husar
Husar always left good impressiong on me. So I will vote for him
Is there anywhere I can read an explanation of how Holmes works?
Has it always been completely accurate?
Probably the most detailed summary of Holmes is here:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=78384
No, it isn't completely accurate, but it has an incredibly high degree of accuracy by the end.
Good then we've come to an agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Got myself a pm telling Kommodos is criminal. So I'm not going to listen to much to Kommodus this time.
select: JimBob
Vote: undecided, quite few guys I could vote. But need to do some talkin gbefore picking one.
Hey Beefy, welcome back!
Care to share the lovin' around?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
So, the "case" against me:
- Drisos says "Andres is guilty" without building up a case. Drisos the detective who didn't get any investigation results, since he died N1. The same Drisos who told TS via msn that he just randomly named Sigurd as a Don because he wanted to take somebody down with him after he got killed, just for fun.
- We have Sasaki (Sasaki, of all players !) who said I came up as "criminal" after investigation. The same Sasaki who got investigated and came up as "criminal" himself according to TS. And Sasaki backs his claim up with : "I promise that these results are 100 % accurate".
- We have CR who twisted Sasaki's words and said I came up as "guilty" (so, I'm no longer just criminal, all of the sudden, by a touch of magic, I'm guilty) after an investigation he probably didn't even saw himself. The same CR who posted that he was convinced Glenn was a Don and in that same post voted me. Oh, and I have to be guilty, because the Asian guy was alone, so his friend must have missed to send in his orders and that can only be Andres, because he got attacked last night (by the Barzini family = the mafia, no less, but let us all forget that, eh). Attacked and survived. I don't see how that means that I couldn't have performed my night actions.
Lynch me next round if you all really feel like you have to, but at least build a decent case against me because this is as ridiculous as lynching me because my name starts with an A.
And yes, I'm having a bad day. It's Monday.
Gah.
I want to repeat that Louis voted for GH and you still don't have it in your tallies...
When I said you can skip posts while reading this, I didn't mean my posts and not those of Louis either! :dizzy2: ~;)
Well, there's certain people that seem pro-town, and if they are, they should be protected, so they can keep up good work. I don't know why you don't see this? That's the reason I mentioned the S-word.Quote:
What possible good reason could I have to give immunity to someone I don't trust?
I'm just saying to people I have my reasons to not trust you. Since I will be pointed out by Seamus as detective, townies will know that I'm on their side and my suspicion will hopefully play a role in converting them to lynch you.Quote:
Drisos says "Andres is guilty" without building up a case. Drisos the detective who didn't get any investigation results, since he died N1.
That's a lie. Produced by TS first, so it's not your fault. TS was angry/etc that I named him as suspicious as wel, and so, he posted this lie. I didn't so anything for fun. I thought, and still think, you are guilty (made/luca/whatever) and Sigurd is your Don.Quote:
The same Drisos who told TS via msn that he just randomly named Sigurd as a Don because he wanted to take somebody down with him after he got killed, just for fun.
At least build up a case, analyse my posts or pm's, whatever. You did not get any investigation results. You said so yourself. So your suspicion must be based on my behavior in this thread or behind the scenes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
Please, put some effort in your accusations.
Well, if this is how we are going to play this game... Tell me, The Stranger, why should people continue to cooperate with you in this game if you're going to spread rumours like that just because you are "angry"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
Again, you didn't have investigation results (again: those are your own words!), so please, build up your case based on posts/behind the scene activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
What happened to the heat on twilight? Unless they answer to why the sudden voting at the end then my lynch vote is on him.
Lynch : Twilightblade
On the issue of selection, I'm going to Select : Kagemusha. Don't trust him, but I trust the other candidates less!
Hmmm, a lot of stuff flying around. I'll be blunt and get right down to my vote.
Vote: Tiberius of the Drake
The evidence against him is just too overwealming. He claims to have invesitaged 2 people, but as a made he could have found out just those facts, it proves nothing. Then his agent pm has some very suspicious looking parts, particuarly the numbering skipping and notice the lack of a line of space between two of the lines lower down. It just dosn't feel right. Not to mention the straight evidence against him.
As for the "importance" of Beefy. I get the feeling Beefy was just a target for the mafia, someone to cull down from the mass of townies, afterall he was a member of a protection group (If I remember correctly).
I would also like to point to the attempted attack on taka. This to me seems JUST like the event we had with beefy the night before. I'm guessing they both have some sort of "luck" special ability, it would make a lot of sense. That being the case, I think its probably safe to assume them both townies (or very powerful special roles). I think however that this could be a useful indication of their innocence. For that reason I would like to:
Select: Beefy
There has also been the idea about making a tie vote. Last time that backfired on us horribly, and someone who was assumed dead lived on (for better or worse). For that reason, I'm not taking risks with my vote anymore. But furthermore, while the idea of a double lynch is a very very poweful one, I just don't see it practically happening. There are just so many ways it could go wrong.
I'd also like to know more about Holmes. So far Hannibalbarc seems to me to just be a fairly innacitve player, and compared to a lot of suspects, he has a lot of votes on him. I'd just like to know what holmes is actualy looking for and the exact specifics if possible, because to me it just sounds like we are taking your word that this is the truth and that you arn't just making the results up (we'd never be able to trace you would we)....
I do think we are making progress though, the mafia are being weeded out one by one, keep up the deduction everyone.
Considering there are people out there far more suspicious, like Kagemusha, I don't see why Twilightblade needs to be lynched when Andres has a larger, "Case", against him and is being delayed until tomorrow!
The only people I have seen against Twilight so far are suspected-mafiosos nitpicking and taking the attention away from where it's needed.
***
It looks like Stranger is ratting on the right people to the wrong people.
Has anybody investigated him yet?
***
Kommodus the criminal.
Come forward Kommodus, are you a wiseguy too?
Speaking of nit-picking, why are you really voting for Kagemusha?
He has shown a more despicable character in public than Louis, or any other candidate, and gladly took the bait I offered him in defense of himself and FactionHeir.
Are you involved in this little blur? Or are you just voting for him because you both have Shogun: Total War avatars?
I cannot be lynched today, because I'm the director.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
What case against me Glenn? Several people said "he's guilty" without backing up their claims in a believable, non ridiculous way? Or is it just because my name starts with an A?
I was referring to how you said, "Case", in a dismissive, mocking way.
Don't mind me, I've been accused of both crimes and idiocy!
However, I don't believe you are guilty, but I do believe you are criminal.
So do several other people so I see.
Are you willing to reveal yourself as so many others have done?
What is your connection to The Stranger?
(Also, I forgot about directors.. Kommodus and Andres.. Kommodus and Andres... Criminal and Criminal...)
Yes, it seems everyone let him get away after theQuote:
Originally Posted by Chimpyang
killinglynching of pevergreen.
In other note, I will Select: Abstain as the new director.
We both speak Dutch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
That's a good start.
How about my other question?
Here is my post.
"I was referring to how you said, "Case", in a dismissive, mocking way.
Don't mind me, I've been accused of both crimes and idiocy!
However, I don't believe you are guilty, but I do believe you are criminal.
So do several other people so I see.
Are you willing to reveal yourself as so many others have done?
What is your connection to The Stranger?
(Also, I forgot about directors.. Kommodus and Andres.. Kommodus and Andres... Criminal and Criminal...)
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Has anyone seen Tran around before?
Introduce yourself properly Tran, what do you make of all this hulabaloo?
Who do you think is guilty?
Twilightblade?
Why?
Here is what we know about Mr. Tran.
Mr. Tran has made very few posts in this thread.
One was in inexplained, open support of Andres.
The other two were made to attack Twilightblade and bring him under suspicion without any real reason.
He has made no other attempts to diffuse anything, he just appears to comfort Andres and attack Twilightblade whom he assumed related to me.
Now. This is good, I recommend everyone to take note of the players who post the least and go back through their history.
See what they have posted.
There are remarkable patterns in speech!
Sorry for the double post, especially to you dear Sarathos.
Slow down on the double repost there Glenn.
Btw, What are the rules on lurkers Seamus?
We lynched 2 directors in Capo 1: The Chief of Police himself, and the Wolf. Directors cannot be nightkilled, but they're not immune to execution.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Is it just me, or does Sarathos sound a overly flippant and easily lead? A few of his posts are fairly off-topic, and I don't think he's come up with any reason for his actions beyond "everybody else is doing it". Of course this could be dismissed as inexperience (he hasn't played in a very large number of mafia games), but since he hasn't acted like this previously, it makes me feel a little weary of him.
On the topic of GH, I find his argument here regarding WIFOM fairly hard to follow. Could you explain it in a little more detail please GH?
Woah Omanes, I do acknowledge my inexperience, this is my frist very large mafia game and my first mafia game for quite some time. But I have reasons behind every post, they just happen to be the same as everyone else. Plus most of the lynched votes I have posted have been from solid information which everyone else's came from. And may I ask, how am I acting differently?
As for my previous post, I simply wanted to know the rule about lurkers because there seems to be a rather large number of them. Notice how there are 76 people alive and only about 20 are active....
In a rush, I haven't finished reading the thread, so for now:
Vote: Tiberius
Because that role was just too convenient and just too full of holes.
Select: Present
Just to register that I'm here.
Here's a post I prepared earlier, there was going to be more, and it's a bit outdated, but have it anyway:
Not necessarily true. Andres could still be a potential Don. If the family knows he's protected by the cops, this frees up their abilities for killing. Why protect someone twice?Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
I don't think so, this looks like two townie protection groups. Both active, but no attacker to fight off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
Myrddraal!
What do you make of;
Kagemusha
FactionHeir
Tran
Andres?
Im honoured to be the candidate for director but I think you should elect a person who can benefit from director cannot be killed rule. Person who can toss around ideas. And that person is not me..
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Yeh, blatently, major STW loving going on here......
Edit:changed "there" to "here"
I want to believe you, Chimpyang, but it seems as though you were using sarcasm.
Now, I'm not one for sarcasm, so I will get very confused and lost very quickly if you possess your answers with it, and we don't want me getting the wrong idea and thinking you are guilty of something.
So, is there any reasoning why you picked a more popular, yet more suspicious candidate for Director?
What reasons have you to trust Kagemusha?
THis was posted earlier in the thread in response to a comment made by Louis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Having reviewed my own rules, I am forced to note that there is NO specific prohibition against the Director performing active night actions.
I will probably institute such a rule in Capo III as it conforms to my intentions for the role, but as it has not been added to date and may affect gameplay, I will note hold players to that standard (and my own review of Capo I says I have not).
Now now, sarcasm is a british thing, note my location lol
But why don't I want to upset you with it Glenn? Are you going to send the bully boys around? Send you hit team? I have sources that tell me you registered as Innocent on an investigation, whilst you claimed to register as unclear....why is that?
Enough of that though, to the serious points of your accusation :
- reason for choosing Twilightblade, putting on some pressure to get an explanation, a gentle reminder that the thread has not forgotten. I know it's not a realisitic choice in terms of voting to get a lynch on him, but some answers would be good.
-choosing Kagmusha, why not? the director doth not hold ultimate power, indeed it is a position of exposure and if indeed he is guilty of something, then a mistake would be highlighted even more. Ok, I know it means it makes him unkillable for a short period of time, but lynching directors is not unheard of, as players of Capo I have already mentioned
I hope that the above satisfies your inquiry.....
Edit : minor spelling error in first line.
Fine. The only person that seems even remotely (and I emphasize the remotely) trustworthy to me so far is Louis VI. If it will make you happy, I will vote for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
Unselect: Vacant
Select: Louis VI the Fat
Dude... :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
If you go on like that I don't want you to think at all anymore.
It makes you look as if you believe yourself to be in a position of power, for someone who was almost lynched that's quite a stretch if you ask me.
If I'm not mistaken, you're also trying to force your opinion on others all the time. :inquisitive:
Louis? He's one of the great 'wiseguys'.. (like sasaki, louis, sigurd, kommodus, pannonian, etc the people that really think lots about the game).Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
but trustworthy? hhm.... I wouldn't say so. I'd say less trustworthy then the rest, because they know better then others how to behave townie-style, etc etc..
can never hurt to keep smart townies alive though..
Considering Tiberius (definite lynch this round) got enough votes already, and we can get double-triple lynch, and I bet Glenn/JimBob are detectives (thus those who trying to lynch them are likely mafiosos), I will
unvote: Tiberius
vote: Kagemusha this time.
just look on his userpage' southpark image :laugh4:
dont he look like mafioso? :laugh4:
besides his behaviour doesnt exclude possibility of being gangster/don. More like don though (and i heard director's duty excludes such night actions like kills, so while don protected by police luca and made can go kill people freely)...
Though I dont have any real proof against him, but I think town should pay more attention to him and trying to point that out.
+ Why FH's sudden inactivity? Mafioso?
Need more evidence before lynching Andres/Sasaki/GH/Kommodus.
And select: Louis for director. Not suspicious Kage..
CapoTally 1181
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy)
Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 12 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge)
Kagemusha = 5 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang)
Beefy187 = 2 (Kommodus, Zorg)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
Andres = 1 (Andres)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)
As I've told other people, I am at a disadvantage because I do not know any of the 'reputations' that people have from other games. I am operating purely based on what I have read in this thread and the content of PMs I have received. Based on that, Louis is one of the few people I have seen who has been trying to help and who hasn't been specifically gunning for a certain person. Given the limited resources at my disposal, I think that's the only logical way for me to make a decision. If I see evidence that Louis is a bad guy, I will react accordingly, but I simply can't base a decision on 'reputation' when that in itself requires that I trust that the 'reputation' information I am being given is accurate in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drisos
Well, well. I come back from work and see whats happened. First of all Glenn. You run around in the thread saying im more suspicious then Louis for example and making insulting comments towards my personality, while you dont know me a bit.
Well please tell me what makes me so suspicious in your book, what have i said or done to make me suspicious? The reason that i dont agree with you, or that i find your style of playing irritating. Please attack the actions of players, not the personality of the players, because its simply insulting.
Then lets have a look at your game. First like it has been mentioned, you claimed that if inspected you would come out unclear, now several players have stated, that infact you come out as innocent. Why did you lie about your status? In this game, people caught from lying should be lynched. Next you have showed parts of your role pm and once some of those parts have been contradicted, you explain that you might have made few mistakes in quoting your pm. How can text turn into something else when you copy and paste it from a pm?
Third you cant give any reason how you were saved during night one, other then luck, whats the possibility that doctor or townie group decided to protect you on night one, compared to the possibility that you were protected by your Luca?
So you have been lying. Forging your role to the town and miraculously saved on night one. If anything, you sound like a mafia Don to me.
When summarizing all this i doubt you have any credibility to throw mud around the town, instead you should feel lucky that you havent been lynched yet.
Let's stay calm, shall we? It's a game after all.
That said, I agree with Kage's sentiments.
Unselect : myself
Select : Kagemusha
EDIT:
CapoTally 1184
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 6 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA)
GeneralHankerchief = 4 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 2 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy)
Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 12 (Tiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge)
Kagemusha = 6 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres)
Beefy187 = 2 (Kommodus, Zorg)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)
There was also the PM quoted by Pannonian, prior to the night 2 summary:Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
So it seemed to me that Beefy187 had indeed become a target for the mafia, even if the first hit didn't come from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian, quoting Tiberius
Well dag-nabbit! :furious3:Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
The only explanation I can think of is:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus, in the rules
Of course, if you're innocent, it will be very frustrating to hear, as 'bad luck' can be your only logical point proving your innocense. But, you must admit a 1 in ~7 chance is pretty small... so small, that it's reason enough for suspicion.:book:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Select : Louis VI the Fat
I was thinking either louis or kagemusha, louis seems to have less suspicion on him...
not really sure who to vote for....
ill go for a Lynch : Abstain for the moment and ill probably change it later...
For the few people asking why I voted GH with no explanation, it was because I didn't have much time yesterday, but I wanted to make sure my vote got in.
I'm voting GH for two reasons; he's a criminal and he's not helping the town. Just about all his posts so far consist of, 'No, I'm not mafia. Dunno what else to say' or weak accusations like 'So far Sig and The Stranger seem the most scummy'. Who knows, maybe Sigurd is mafia, but that's the best you can come up with in this massive thread so far? I'm just not buying it. GH is way too skilled of a mafia player for me to think he's putting his best effort into a townie win when looking at his fairly paltry posting so far.
Also, Tiberius might be scum, I have no clue. It doesn't look good for him right now, but the guy leading the charge against him, Pannonian is also criminal. Why are we blindly trusting him? Because of one PM he's brought forth publicly?
When you find out great players like GH or Pan are criminals, they have to go, imo. They can be useful townies in death if they really have the town's interests in heart, but if they are mafia scum, you're leaving them alive with very powerful roles (remember, these two are criminals. That means at best a neutral wise guy, or at worst a made or a luca.)
Select: Louis
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Lynch: Abstain
Director: Louis
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Let me quote this again and this time I'll make it clear for everybody:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
All your tallies miss his vote!
I hope someone is able to read it the third time...
Well I just got updated on the thread finally by reading for like an hour in the library in Liverpool. I will be back tomorrow to participate more and so on.
Personally I now think that Glenn needs to be lynched. I think he is a don, and tiberius too. I think Tiberius has doctored his role PM. Forgetting to include his number 4 part role so that to me is questionable. Revealing his part 5 role as Agent when it says do not reveal is breaking the rules and since nothing has come from seamus about it I think that it is a fake reveal.
I don't know about director, I don't see any reason to vote for louis or any other on the list. If anything I think that Pannonian would be a good choice. In the mafia games I have read, [this is my first played] he always does well for the town, and other people say this about him in the thread.
Select:Kagemusha.
Because louis is being selected by the lynchee and glenn. No offence Louis.
Vote:Hanibalbarc for double lynch.
Joe
Am I still in this? I've been terrible busy, sorry guys.
Select; Kagemusha
Lynch; GH if so.
CapoTally 1194
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 7 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks)
GeneralHankerchief = 6 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)
Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 15 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard)
Kagemusha = 8 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres, Joe monks, jubal barca)
Beefy187 = 3 (Kommodus, Zorg, Shlin)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)
:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Who died and made you the boss? :inquisitive: I am that close to vote for you just to get rid of you... If you search the forum a bit, you will have realised that Tran (as have others I believe you have accused them of noobiness), has participated at least one another mafia game (I think), so do a bit of research beforehand please.
Anyway, Select Beefy
Edit: Selected Beefy because he seemed to be pretty innocent. Still wondering how he survived the first attack though...
Lynch: Abstain
Select: Abstain
Thats all you have to say? The last time you abstained was in Midgard, were you were mafia!Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
I agree with prole
Therefore I vote:GH
Lynch Votes:
Tiberius of the Drake = 14 (Ajaxfetish, Brave Sir Robin, Dutch_guy, GeneralHankerchief, Haudegan, Kagemusha, Myrddraal, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Xehh II, Sarathos, Zorg)
Hannibalbarc = 7 (Sigurd, Sasaki, Pannonian, Kommodus, Cowhead418, CA, Joe Monks)
GeneralHankerchief = 7 (Omanes Alexandrapolites, Proletariat, Ichigo, husar, Louis, Jubal Barca, TS)
Glenn = 3 (Andres, Crazed Rabbit, Xiahou)
Kagemusha = 3 (Caius, Glenn, Charge)
Pannonian = 2 (Tiberius of the Drake, JimBob)
Twilightblade = 2 (Tran, Chimyang)
Andres = 1 (Hannibal Barc)
Abstain: 4 (Northnovas, Rythmic, Beefy, Lt.Pinard)
Director Selections:
Louis VI the Fat = 15 (Prole, LittleGrizzlyTiberius of the Drake, Louis, JimBob, CR, Xiahou, Cowhead418, Ajaxfetish, Husar, Sarathos, Glenn, TinCow, Charge, Lt.Pinard)
Kagemusha = 8 (Kukrikhan, Kage, FactionHeir, Northnovas, Chimpyang, Andres, Joe monks, jubal barca)
Beefy187 = 3 (Kommodus, Zorg, Shlin)
General Hankerchief = 2 (GeneralHankerchief, Hannibalarc)
The Stranger = 1 (The Stranger)
Caius = 1 (Caius)
TruePraetorian = 1 (TruePraetorian)
Omanes Alexandrapolites = 1 (Rythmic)
Husar = 1 (Beefy)
JimBob = 1 (moros)
Abstain = 4 (scottishranger, CountArach, Xehh II, Tran)
Present = 1 (Myrddraal)
I trust pann and kommo despite the criminal results. They've both been working for the town. Kommo also hates being mafia. Pann has claimed wise guy and kommo has claimed townie.
This differs from Andres who hasn't claimed wise guy or townie and is instead casting doubt on the investigators. So it's pretty clear he's mafia.
I think we're going to have to be more careful with the way we reveal results in the thread though. Needs more gaurantees of accuracy and less "someone told me..." or in the strangers case:
Which Andres reports as:Quote:
from the top of my mind... that is Sasaki, GH, Andres and another one... but not 100% sure...
Quote:
We have Sasaki (Sasaki, of all players !) who said I came up as "criminal" after investigation. The same Sasaki who got investigated and came up as "criminal" himself according to TS. And Sasaki backs his claim up with : "I promise that these results are 100 % accurate".
I see that action defensive than Andres being mafia. Again, how can I trust your results?Quote:
This differs from Andres who hasn't claimed wise guy or townie and is instead casting doubt on the investigators. So it's pretty clear he's mafia.
Unvote: Tiberius
Vote: Hannibalbarc Lets see if we can get a double lynch.