Mafia VIII: Return of the Recommencement of the Revenge of the Mafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Nice try in getting some uncertainty into other people's minds with nagging questions, but they don't work. There is a limit to how much discussion is welcome and how much starts to harm the town.
That limit in my opinion has been exceeded.

I certainly do welcome analysis and opinion, but you must direct such works properly rather than analyze where there is nothing more to analyze.

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Time for some more analysis then.

Here are some of your earlier posts:

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Hmmm they killed 2 lurkers

vote: LittleGrizzly for being the third person to FoS during night phase.
I think myself, Kagemusha and RK are definitely innocent judging from posts so far.

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My guess would be makaikhaan (Andres voted him and got killed) or LittleGrizzly (R1 suspicious) still.
As I said previously, I still think RK and Kage may be innocent.

For now, vote: makaikhaan

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Ok, so then you thought Kag was innocent and Khaan was guilty. You took a stance. You put forth opinions.

Then this morning you do this:

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Firstly I think pever is likely a townie, not a mafioso, because his reveal seems to be a modified townie PM. Thus I think TinCow voting him saying he is mafia is very suspicious after he just voted Kagemusha on pever's behalf. In fact, I would FoS: TinCow for that. He certainly knows better than this and he is likely Mafia.

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How do you jive both Kag and pever being ok? Your so sure Kag is innocent but you don't mind that pever is causing votes to be thrown on Kag by his false reveal.

Then you go and do this:

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vote: Sasaki

Just because I don't want to abstain.

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Where went all that suspicion towards Khaan? What happened to stating a strong opinion? All of a sudden, your going to abstain, so you throw what is basically a random vote towards someone who is hardly active this game?

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Tell you, not tell us. Big difference
And no, I'm waiting for more night kill writeups before making any serious attempt at a vote as currently any vote is more likely to diminish the town's power by lynching innocents unless we have a really strong lead.

Besides, does it matter if I vote pever or someone else today? He's sure to be lynched anyway.

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Now your waiting? Why weren't you waiting the first two days? All of a sudden you think there is "less" evidence out there? As for pever, why the continued disinterest? He tried to get Kag lynched who you have been telling us is innocent.

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You happy with khaan and my answers now or you want to continue to grill us and let some others get away with killing townies?
Those that don't reply to you are probably a lot more scummy.

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Now your defending khaan? But you thought he was guilty. What changed?

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I don't think you can argue that I have not contributed towards the town
If we keep this back and forth between us, then the real mafia gets a chance to lurk.

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A real townie would welcome questioning. For they have nothing to hide. And they would not fear death, for they would still win if the town wins.

All of a sudden my attempt to get conversation and analysis going seems threatening to you.

Why?

Even though events are unlinked, the probability of a person getting the same role are growing smaller and smaller.

Its like this, if you flip three coins in a role, the probability of you getting three heads is smaller than you getting two heads and then a tail.

So there is a comparably high possibility of Ichigo being mafia than say a person who has been mafia for the last couple of games.

Edit: This is addressed to Craterus.

This post has convinced me.

Unvote: Kagemusha
Vote: peverpink

Just to be sure, though, it would be a good idea to lynch Kage tomorrow.

My reasoning for RK and Kag was based on the townie PM and the way they responded to my post immediately. Call it a bait.

LG seems a bit scummy to be the third FoS, nothing serious.

khaan due to him being the only person to vote Andres who was killed. Vote mainly to make him talk.

His behavior now obviously suggests he is a townie.

As for pever, only someone behind the moon would think he's mafia :clown:

My main suspicion is on TC at the moment, but not enough for me to vote him.

Thanks FH.

I find that this helps me. I hope it helps others too. I think it is important to tease out people's thoughts and motives. It also helps to see if people contradict themselves.

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So you are not going to vote me?

For president of course!

Privateerkev is dead. So no, he isn't going to vote for you.

FoS: FactionHeir

I was mafia in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly...

Damn... that means I wasted 10 minutes thinking about my theory over nothing... :sweatdrop:

Unvote: Ichigo

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

So you are not going to vote me?

For president of course!

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(i'm dead...)

I've been looking at your list and have you considered listing people with all four letters?

People with S, A, I, and N in their name:
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Gaius Scribonius Curio
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88

Omanes Alexandrapolites also but he is dead

I have no idea what it means but I thought I would post it anyways. We'll see next kill phase what letter is missing and then we can match it up and see if anything fits.

FoS:TinCow again.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

FoS:TinCow again.

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why? :inquisitive:

Your usually more talkative.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

why? :inquisitive:

Your usually more talkative.

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If there is one thing I've learned from playing mafia, it's that TC is always up to something scummy...:whip:

"NNVMST"

Good spotting Ichigo, I tumbled onto the same sentence and found it "off" as well, but you were there first.

Try holding your nose and reading the sentence as it is properly said in English -- it doesn't work.

Writing them down like that, the first thing popping into my head was "none of most" as in none of the most.

Unfortunately, I didn't seen anything answer the most "what" portion of that. Most well-known names? Most prolific posters? Most active players?



FH, I don't think you are on the right track. However, if you are, you'll need to do a missing letter analysis of every post in the information thread for this game. It is unlikely that only 4 letters would suffice. Using your assumption, a few missing words in the descrip, it would take more than that to send a good signal. The other posts would have to be grist if your approach is correct.



Odd possibility. "Forgotten letters" in some of our names? Antiwarman and Woad are both missing letters, having replaced them with symbols. Note: this may be fabricating Himalayan peaks from blind rodent tunnelling products.



On another note:

I agree with the analysis that says pever' fabricated his reveal PM. The phrasing does not ring true to GH -- GH'd likely have written "innocent or guilty" (the usual binary phraseology). pever's seems over written and the "after that" doesn't mesh. Does this mean that pever is mafia? Hardly -- as Sasaki can confirm, a townie might reveal himself, falsely, as detective just to bait a response -- but I don't think this post dictates he's necessarily a detective or mafioso.

To be safe however, and because a poorly done false detective reveal by a townie can only detract and not serve as good bait, I'll VOTE: Peverpink fka pevergreen*



* Actually, it doesn't surprise me at all when a Green turns out to be a pinko after all -- bunch of "watermelons," the lot of them! :devilish:

I apologize for showing up so late, but i have been recovering from a nice little boat cruise to Tallin.:sick2:Interesting move by Pever. Either you are a bad townie causing chaos with your fake reveal or mafia trying to bait detective to show himself, but it seems to be pretty illogical to pull out such a stunt this early in the game. In any case this stunt does not help the town in any way.:no: Vote : Pever

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

"NNVMST"

Good spotting Ichigo, I tumbled onto the same sentence and found it "off" as well, but you were there first.

Try holding your nose and reading the sentence as it is properly said in English -- it doesn't work.

Writing them down like that, the first thing popping into my head was "none of most" as in none of the most.

Unfortunately, I didn't seen anything answer the most "what" portion of that. Most well-known names? Most prolific posters? Most active players?



FH, I don't think you are on the right track. However, if you are, you'll need to do a missing letter analysis of every post in the information thread for this game. It is unlikely that only 4 letters would suffice. Using your assumption, a few missing words in the descrip, it would take more than that to send a good signal. The other posts would have to be grist if your approach is correct.

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Actually I did. There was 1 missing letter in each kill descript.
And when I read through your post I for some reason think you are intentionally trying to make this affair seem less important.
FoS: Seamus

Its quite obvious that your "missing" letters in a sentence spoken by a man with a broken, bleeding nose are intentional and not related (as of current evidence) to the acual hint, for I doubt GH would otherwise have exactly 1 missing letter in each kill descript.

found this in the day 2 post:

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"Wow," said Beirut, back to his normal self. "Impressive. I also want to thank you guys for helping me out there. You ee, thanks to the OBI's meddling, I didn't even have an execution planned. Anyway, go back to your homes and hope we made the right decision."

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Missing another s.

so far, that is S A N I S in no particular order.

Hmmm interesting. I had not looked much at day posts, but this is in D1:

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Originally Posted by GH

His charges, the villagers of the Frontroom, were doing their civic duty and voting!

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It should be chargees as Beirut is in charge.
So add an E to the list

This makes it S A E N I S
in order of appearance.

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Of those whose names fulfill all letters:

Sigurd Fafnesbane
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88

Though Warman only has 1 S, so it suggests its only Sigurd.

unvote: Sasaki, vote: Sigurd
Speak.

While not commenting on anything that's been discussed, I do want to say that, while potentially not gramatically correct, "charges" has been commonized enough where I wouldn't consider it an error.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

This makes it S A E N I S
in order of appearance.

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Of those whose names fulfill all letters:

Sigurd Fafnesbane
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88

Though Warman only has 1 S, so it suggests its only Sigurd.

unvote: Sasaki, vote: Sigurd
Speak.

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Also Omanes Alexandrapolites but he is dead.

Sigurd has been rather quiet. It's hard to get a read on him because he admits to switching it up every game. In Taormina, he lurked until lynched, and then got super-active as a ghost. In Star Wars, he was chatty but it ended up getting him lynched. He was mafia in both games.

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In light of what GH just said, put Curio back on the list.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

While not commenting on anything that's been discussed, I do want to say that, while potentially not gramatically correct, "charges" has been commonized enough where I wouldn't consider it an error.

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So uh, care to correct your writeups of unintended mistakes as to not mislead us poor townies? :grin2:

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I think that GH wouldn't have commented on the above if it wasn't intended to be so, so we can go from SANIS for now or look for another missing letter in the D1 writeup, that is unless the D2 error was also unintended in which case we go back to my Night-only scenario.

For SANIS, we got:
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Gaius Scribonius Curio
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88 (again, one S too much..)

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

So uh, care to correct your writeups of unintended mistakes as to not mislead us poor townies? :grin2:

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Aw, you're cute. ~:pat:

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

I think that GH wouldn't have commented on the above if it wasn't intended to be so, so we can go from SANIS for now or look for another missing letter in the D1 writeup, that is unless the D2 error was also unintended in which case we go back to my Night-only scenario.

For SANIS, we got:
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Gaius Scribonius Curio
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88 (again, one S too much..)

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I went through the Day 1 post a couple times and I can not find a missing letter. If someone else had better luck, let us know.

Again you keep leaving out Omanes. We should at least keep including him for thoroughness as long as we keep adding the caveat that he is dead.

Maybe he's my scum buddy :clown:
I figured there's no point in including dead people...especially those killed by the mafia

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

Maybe he's my scum buddy :clown:
I figured there's no point in including dead people...especially those killed by the mafia

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Your assuming the clue will lead to mafia identity. It might be something else. I don't know what, but I don't want to overlook anything.

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

Your assuming the clue will lead to mafia identity. It might be something else. I don't know what, but I don't want to overlook anything.

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unvote: peverpink; Vote: Factionheir
I don't think the surprise is pro-town. The town is already getting a detective and 10+ chances to lynch 2 mafioso. My guess is that FactionHeir is one of the mafioso. After he realized the secret message wasn't going to hurt him he decided to try and figure out what it meant(my guess is the detective's identity). It's a good way to appear helpful while still serving a scummy purpose. Also, I don't like the general tone of his exchanges with PK.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

unvote: Sasaki, vote: Sigurd
Speak.

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I have really nothing to contribute. I just saw the greatest football game this year.
Congratulations Holland on a well played game. I just loved seing the dirty Italians getting their World Champion behinds kicked around for 90 minutes. :smash: :2thumbsup:

If you guys are on the ball on the missing letters thing, I am not the one you are looking for. I am not mafia and I am not the detective.
Since the pever thing is obviously a fake... I'll unvote: Kage, vote: pever
There is a slight possibility that he could be mafia. A wise mafia player, the one behind the Godfather versions of this game, once said; If you catch someone in a lie, always lynch.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

I have really nothing to contribute. I just saw the greatest football game this year.
Congratulations Holland on a well played game. I just loved seing the dirty Italians getting their World Champion behinds kicked around for 90 minutes. :smash: :2thumbsup:

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The last time Sigurd said he was busy because of a football game, he was really lurking as mafia... :yes:

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Originally Posted by Privateerkev

The last time Sigurd said he was busy because of a football game, he was really lurking as mafia... :yes:

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Correction: it was a hockey game.

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Originally Posted by FactionHeir

This makes it S A E N I S
in order of appearance.

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Of those whose names fulfill all letters:

Sigurd Fafnesbane
|Sith|R|AntiWarmanCake88

Though Warman only has 1 S, so it suggests its only Sigurd.

unvote: Sasaki, vote: Sigurd
Speak.

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While I am intrigued by the possibility of some kind of cypher in the write-ups, I think you're way off base on this one. The missing letters could very well be the cypher, but they could also just be misspellings. GH is a good writer, but he makes as many spelling and grammar errors as the rest of us. Unless he was ungodly careful, some of the letters you have pulled out may be wrong. Even if they are all right, your reason for voting Sasaki and then Sigurd is what, exactly? Similar letters in their names? I'm sorry, but that seems way, way too obscure a clue for GH. If he was going to put a real twist or cyper in this game, it would be something that would pop out at you when you finally noticed it. This just isn't doing it. If the letters really are a clue, they are far more likely to be in the form of a substitution cypher than an anagram.